Sharing Doesn't Hurt

Freeptop writes "Here's a fun followup to an old slashdot article: Eric Flint just posted another Prime Palaver article on the Baen Free Library. In this article of his, he talks about the effects of posting his books for free on the library. Specifically, he uses his own royalty statements to show that sales for his books have gone up whenever he has made them available for free. As usual, Mr. Flint writes a well thought out article demonstrating the pointlessness of encrypting e-books, and this time, he has proof to back up his assumptions."

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Now, before you Napsterites respond...

[d.valued]

..there is a CRUCIAL difference between what this author did, the Smashing Pumpkins asked for on "Machina 2: The Machines of the Gods" (their last album which was released as 50 acetates to good friends and one Chicago radio station which MP#'d it and let it roll), the way the Grateful Dead dealt with bootlegs (trade 'em, don't sell 'em I think was the gist of it) and what a lot of file-traders do with Metallica, Boobie Spears, et al.

This guy owned the copyright to his works and chose to share. I like that. Now, the labels and/or the artists (depending on who owns the copyright) chose NOT to share.

Now, I've never used any such services, mainly because, quite frankly, most US music sucks thanks to the fact we have only five real record labels, and I prefer my criminality to be more significant, like d/l'ing DeCSS or otherwise defeating copyright controls.

It'll be funny to see record companies respond

[Omerna]

I imagine it'll be something about how it doesn't matter what happens for BOOKS, and how they plan to keep trying to shut down all the file sharing programs anyway. Afterall, ACTUAL profit is less important than the CONCEPT that you're giving away your product (intellectual property, you know) to whoever wants it.

How many times will this have to be proven before somebody (other then /.ers) gets it?

The difference is

[Slash Veteran]

He, the content producer, has chosen to share his copyrighted material.

Of course there's the most obvious way to benefit:

[Otto]

Series.

Most books I (and others I've spoken with) really enjoy tend to be parts of a series of novels. Trilogies, etc.

If you really want to avoid obscurity, make your first book as free as possible, sell it on the cheap, give the text away freely on the internet in every conceivable format, etc. Then sell the rest of the books via traditional sales methods.

Get 'em addicted, then jack up the cost. Hey, it works. Ask your local drug dealer. (What, you don't think books are addictive??!?)

Re:I think the biggest problem is..

[JMMurphy]

Why is this not true for books/cds/software, because they assume that you copied them. This is what needs to change. If I hear a song on the radio that I like, go and buy the CD and the whole rest of the CD sucks, then I should be able to bring it back to the store and get a refund.

This point is quite valid as far as music and software are concerned. My experience with books, however, has been that most stores are quite willing to accept returns. In the past few years, I've returned several books to stores such as Walden's and Barnes & Nobles, and they were more than happy to give me store credit. Not quite a refund, but better than the "exchange for same item only" policy of music and software.

Even better, in most cases the reciept was not required as long as the book was in very good condition. I've often wondered if people take advantage of this and use B&N as a personal library. I've gotten too attached to my paperbooks, though. ;)

random

"Using Samba" is another positive example.

[davecb]

It's free, and even though it was competing against lots of other Samba titles, it flew off the shelves. Bookstores I spoke to said buyers had alread read it and wanted it in paper.

O'Reilly can't really say if it's a statistically sigificant advantage, but the opposite hypothesis, that it might hurt sales, sure ain't true!

--dave (the 2nd author) c-b

Regular, paper libraries, anyone?

[Dreamweaver]

Everyone's going on about how this can't be compared because:
1) Books are in diminished form on a computer display
2) Weber's not terribly popular
3) This study is a small sample

So how about brick-and-mortar libraries? They've been around for centuries and don't seem to be harming sales. True, you don't get to Keep the book, but you can read pretty much any book you want whenever you want (with some slight delay) by any author (popular or not) via inter-library loans. And, really, how often do you re-read a fiction novel? Once every few years, if ever again?
I think I've spent more money over the years on books by authors whom I'd sampled at a library than I have on unknowns. I've even been known to go buy a book I read from a library if I liked it well enough.

Maybe that doesn't translate directly to music, since you generally want to keep a song once you've got it rather than having a 2 week loan, but the only difference between this and a public library is that you trade the convenience of a dead-tree book for the convenience of staying home rather than going all the way to the library building. Libraries have yet to kill book sales, and I don't think I've ever heard an author complain about libraries having their book, so this whole thing is a foregone conclusion.

Re:Regular, paper libraries, anyone?

[charon_on_acheron]

"I've even been known to go buy a book I read from a library if I liked it well enough."

OK, who knows that you went and bought a book, just because you liked it so much when you borrowed it from the library? Do your friends know every detail of your life? ;^)

But about your last statement:
"...I don't think I've ever heard an author complain about libraries having their book...."

Not for about 100 years anyway. Around 1900 book publishers actually printed in their books that the purchaser agrees not to lend or sell the book to anyone. They wanted everyone to buy their own new copy of the book.

Same with phonograph records. Go to eBay, to the Music/Recorded/Records/78s section. Look at a few of the images of old records, and around the bottom of the label it states this.

The Supreme Court of course ruled it illegal/unconstitutional and came up with the "First Sale" doctrine.

Just my two cents worth.

Re:Imagine that!

[packeteer]

personally i really like having a huge collection of books... i like having multiple book shelves lined with paper books... i love to browse through and feel them... I am a very spacially oriented person and i love the physical book... that said i also hate losing things... i hate it when a book deteriorates or is lost... i think that the best possible thing to do would be to include the ebooks with the REAL books... that way i can archive my books and have the benefit of being able to carry 1000 books with me at all times but i could also have the REAL THING... this might be expensive becuase smart cards or some other type of technology would add some cost to the book so here is my idea... a publisher could print the ebook format on the inside of the cover or (because covers break off) on one of the pages... maybe using some type of cd style grooves or credit card style magnetic tape the entire contents could be printed on a small erea of one page... it would be fairly easy to create a reader for this type of book and would notbe very expensive becuase there would only be a few megs at most of data... and if you get into picture books then maybe jpeg2000 will help :)... if a cd of an ebook were included it would defeat the perpose, as in my system the ebook would always be included... anyway just a thought...
anybody know af any possible technology to make this work? any problems with this idea... please reply...
thanks

Re:yeah but.

[Arrgh]

I have categorically stopped buying CDs unless I download and listen to the artist/album first.

Not so much out of principle, but practicality. When I hear a song I like on the radio, I fire up my favourite P2P client and download everything I can find by the artist. If I like a significant fraction of the songs, I figure out which album has a bunch of good songs on it, and buy the CD.

I don't like how 128kbps sounds, and I can only play audio CDs in the car--both make it impractical for me to really make good use of downloaded music, except as background noise while using the computer.

Hard figures

[PCM2]

From the article:

I think my hard figures demonstrate how absurd that claim is. It does not follow that simply because a copy is available for free that sales will therefore be hurt. In fact, they are more likely to be helped, for the simple reason that free copies-call them "samplers," if you will-are often the necessary inducement to convince people to buy something.

I'm pretty skeptical that the figures he's citing -- "hard" though they may be -- actually prove anything about whether giving away books for free results in better sales.

On the one hand, his most convincing point is that "certainly giving books away hasn't hurt my sales any, even if it hasn't helped them." But he can't actually say that, can he? Maybe the increase in sales he noticed late in term is a result of exactly what he suggests elsewhere in his essay -- the fact that he's gained more publicity as a writer since the book first came out. In that case, isn't it entirely possible that his sales would have gone up even more if he hadn't given away free copies to a portion of his potential readers?

"But wait," you argue, "the reason he gained publicity is because he was giving the books away." But again, that's not going to be true for everyone, is it? Once every single author in existence is giving away books for free, we'll be at exactly the point we're at now, where the only people who get publicity are the ones who pay for it -- in terms of advertising, book tours, public speaking gigs, what-have-you.

This guy likes giving away books? Fine. He says it hasn't hurt him any. Fine. But his evidence isn't all that empirical. All he can really say is that even though he's giving books away, he's been satisfied with the sales he's gotten.

What's more, he could say the same if he was sending out promo copies of the dead tree version. This doesn't really say much at all about the glorious future of Internet-delivered media, from where I sit. It's just a cute experiment that one guy did. I'd like to see it reproduced by someone else -- maybe a few someones -- before really take any of it seriously.

It's the paper...

[Anonymous Coward]

I posit that most folks aren't buying the IP of the books - after all, that's free. They're buying the paper it's printed on. Paper is still *way* better than a screen, and will be for another decade or two.

On the other hand, music and videos don't have the same sort of media problems. It sounds just as good off the net as it does off the CD. Why bother paying?

My experiences with the Free Library

[Minupla]

I ran across the Free Library from a link in a /. comment, and read one of David Webers' books for the first time. I thereby discovered the Honor Harrington series of books of which I got to read the first title for free. I immediately put my friend onto the series who bought the first and subsequent volumes in dead-tree form. I myself discovered webscriptions.net where Baen sells electronic versions of their current and some back title list. I picked up the rest of the Honor series and have taken to reading most of my Baen series through webscriptions (heck, 10$ for 4-5 books, if I only ever read the one I bought that book bundle for, I break even, which has never been the case. If I read all 4-5 books (which is usually the case) I get them for 2-3$/book! A heck of a deal. Also ebooks work for me, I can load them on my palm when I'm working and don't have to carry a paperback with me to a client site, something that distracts from the professional air of a consultant working in 'managment' jobs).

So Baen has definately made money off the 2-3 books they gave me for free.

Incidentally, the author gets more money per book off of books I buy in e-format then they would if I went to the bookstore and bought a copy, and I can download them again if I lose my ecopy, and I save trees.

textbooks; my experience as an author

[bcrowell]

I was interested in this:

... Charles Vest, president of MIT, as an aside mentioned that when college textbook presses (like the one at MIT) put up free e-text copies of their new textbooks at the same time they published the print version, sales of the print versions went UP.

If it works to increase the sale for things as over priced as the normal college textbook...

Does anyone know what the actual textbook(s) is he's referring to? AFAIK, my site The Assayer is the biggest catalog on the web of books that have been intentionally made free-as-in-something by their authors, and I don't have any of the examples he's referring to. I'd be grateful if anyone could reply here about what they are, so I can add them in.

What he's saying matches up perfectly with my own experience with self-publishing free books. My own books are free-as-in-copyleft, and are also for sale in dead tree format. I've done very little traditional promotion, and yet my books have been fairly successful, considering that it's not easy for a self-published author to break into the textbook market. As the author of the article points out, it's pretty hard to know for sure whether certain sales results are the result of any particular action, such as making books available for free in digital form. But one good indication is that the small amount of non-web promotion that I did (sending out free evaluation copies on CD) was nearly all in California, whereas none of the teachers who have adopted my books are in California.

Other examples

[3seas]

Though I never got into the Napster thing others I worked with did and they put together some CD's that I really liked as they contained alot of old songs that I liked.

Listening to these CDs at work, where they would play them, brought to mind these old songs and even the idea of going out and buying the artist CDs.
But then all the crap started up and I said the hell with it, never buying any of the CDs that the napster stuff brought to mind.

Now it's a matter of out sight (ear) out of mind. To bad for the music business... uh errr...greed business...

Wener Bros. is cracking down on Matrix fan sites now....

All this reminds me of the story of the dog who lost the steak in his mouth when he saw his reflection and his greed tried to get the steak from his own reflection and lost what he had...

I'm not at all supprised about the findings of this author, cept for finding some "creator" realizing all this.

It's STILL the paper...

[Ian Peon]

A good friend of mine had pointed out that the music industry doesn't really understand why they make money. Radio, borrowed tapes, MP3s... there are many ways to get the music, but it's not quite the same as owning the CD.

When the music industry realizes that people are buying media, not music, we'll all be better off. To make it more attractive, we would probably see better quality album inserts and other items that make buying the CD worth the money.

Therefore, I argue that (music at least) DOES have this sort of media 'problem' - CD liners and other gimmiks included with the album can be *way* better than an ID3 tag or a web site.