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What Turns You Off About Evaluation Software?

An Anonymous Coward asks: "I work at a mid-tier software company (which shall remain nameless, lest I draw attention to myself). Recently we have started making 30 day evaluation versions of our software available for download after prospects register. An email containing a username and password is sent to the registrant a few hours after submission. We have been surprised to find that not a few registrants don't actually go on to download the software. We make the file size and system requirements clear up front. I would guess some slashdot readers get involved in evaluations. What process do you go through? Why might you stop short of actually downloading the software?"

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  1. I dont enter my email by reptilian+biotech · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If it wants a valid email addy, I forget it and find something else. say no to spam

    1. Re:I dont enter my email by TedCheshireAcad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If I am going to use commercial software, it means I gave up trying to find a similar product under the GPL. I have only come across this problem in several instances, all times when I needed something for a Windows network.

      How to turn customers off:
      1. Make them enter an e-mail address.
      2. Make them fill out a form. See 1.
      3. Make them wait for registration info.
      4. Use a 30 day limit. 90 sounds better.
      5. Make them do all that crap for software they didn't need or like anyhow.
      6. Have you sales staff hound them nonstop by phone and e-mail and personal visits. (Will you folks at StorageSoft get the point?)

      How to turn customers on:
      1. 90 day or unlimited trial only with the stupid features turned off.
      2. No registration crap.
      3. Precise product description, no lies.
      4. Screenshots, my god, screenshots.
      5. Multiple fast download sites. I should be able to get 150k/sec at least.
      6. No hunting for downloadable files. This goes for you too, Real.
      7. Upfront licensing policies and prices. Tell me on your website how much I have to pay for 1, 10, or a site license.
      8. I will call you if I want to buy it. Don't feel free to bother me during my lunch hour. Your voicemails get deleted, too.
      9. If you must have my e-mail address, remember this: My inbox is a sacred shrine, none shall enter that are not worthy.

      -my $.02

    2. Re:I dont enter my email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful


      How to turn customers on:
      1. 90 day or unlimited trial only with the stupid features turned off.

      In other words, pretty much give it away for free. (90 days apart to uninstall/reinstall or in some cases reformat is not much of a pain in the ass.) Not that this surprises me coming from Slashdot, News for People Who Don't Want To Pay.

      2. No registration crap.

      If you're serious about trying out the software and would seriously consider purchasing it, giving them an e-mail so a representative can contact you for support makes sense. Not really for like winzip, but if you're downloading a trial of a professional software package it's more professional, in my opinion, if after downloading it you get an e-mail from Bob Soandso and his phone number if you have any questions about how to use the software, etc.

    3. Re:I dont enter my email by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ummm....then how is it different then the full version? Evaluation software is supposed to be used for *evaluation*. Not for five-nines critical applications. On a server the popup messages will go unnoticed, and the startup sequence will appear almost never. If you want to use it longer, then maybe it's time you paid for it.

    4. Re:I dont enter my email by cropserion · · Score: 5, Funny

      2. No registration crap.

      If you're serious about trying out the software and would seriously consider purchasing it, giving them an e-mail so a representative can contact you for support makes sense. Not really for like winzip, but if you're downloading a trial of a professional software package it's more professional, in my opinion, if after downloading it you get an e-mail from Bob Soandso and his phone number if you have any questions about how to use the software, etc.


      I have to agree with the AC on this one, if you are really trying a piece of software then you should enter an email addr.

      Personally I have my own domain and all emails sent to that domain goto the one mailbox by default, so when filling out a web form I will always use a different_name@mydomain for the name portion of the address. I always try to use a name similar to the company who want my address, for instance I would use redhat@mydomain when filling out a form on the redhat site.
      Then if I find that I am receiving alot of spam to a particular address I will then block all mails to that address in sendmail. I also try to find the sales and support email address of the company who sold my address to the spammers and I will sign up their address for newsletters from some of the sickest porn sites I can find.

      I guess for most people this isn't an option but it works for me :)

    5. Re:I dont enter my email by Cryptnotic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      However, the piracy of Windows and Microsoft software has definately contributed to their dominance of the computer industry. If they made their products more difficult to pirate, the pirates (probably a good 50% of home/hobbyist users) would look for an alternative.

      It's just like if you're planning on filing a lawsuit against someone. You go after the people with money.

      Cryptnotic

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    6. Re:I dont enter my email by Zapman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      [poster1 said:]

      1. 90 day or unlimited trial only with the stupid features turned off.

      [poster2 replied:]

      In other words, pretty much give it away for free. (90 days apart to uninstall/reinstall or in some cases reformat is not much of a pain in the ass.)

      Better: In your registration code, encode the start and end dates of the evaluation. Encrypt and obfuscate it to the far-thee-well, and have done.

      If someone's willing to keep the dates on they're computer out of sync, you'll not get money out of them anyway (since they're too small of a shop (or home) for you to bother with.

      Though I must strongly agree with the poster who suggested sending email warnings about licenses expiring. Veritas NetBackup does the encode the date thing. We had paid for it, and I thought that I had put the keys in correctly. However, it just quit on me. Something one does NOT want to see in their enterprise backup solution...

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    7. Re:I dont enter my email by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 3, Insightful
      "In other words, pretty much give it away for free. (90 days apart to uninstall/reinstall or in some cases reformat is not much of a pain in the ass.) Not that this surprises me coming from Slashdot, News for People Who Don't Want To Pay."

      I am a student with not too much money. I try to get freeware or Free (as in speech) software as much as possible (but of course you know how piracy is on university campuses for the commercial software that they use in the labs.)

      The only pieces of software that I have paid money for (online) are the following:
      - Turbo Navigator - US$10 - It is an excellent Norton Commander clone for win32- The Official Page is acting funny so check this Unofficial Page if you want.
      - Query-Web - US$9.95 - A highly unique program that uses SQL in combination with HTML/XML to generate pages dynamically from MS Access databases. It is how Webattack is generated.

      When I get into my job this summer I will have money again and probably pay for Trillian and donate to the Ogg Vorbis Project as well.

      The things that these progs have in common are that I could have gotten it all legally for free anyway; There were no time limitations, nag screens or improved functionality promises for those who pay. I paid because the programmers did an excellent job of making a program that was useful to me and requested reasonable payment for it. Paying because the software will otherwise commit suicidce after 30 (90, whatever) days is not IMHO a good reason.

      Going through my old credit card bills that's it for internet purchases of software but that does not include stuff like domain registration and buying computer equipment online. The things listed here are of course totally separate from the stuff bought in brick&mortar stores.

    8. Re:I dont enter my email by ChaosDiscord · · Score: 3, Informative
      90 day or unlimited trial only...In other words, pretty much give it away for free. (90 days apart to uninstall/reinstall or in some cases reformat is not much of a pain in the ass.) Not that this surprises me coming from Slashdot, News for People Who Don't Want To Pay.

      Thanks for assuming we're all thieves. Do you work for the RIAA?

      I've run into 30 day limits all too often while evaluating products for professional use. I'll evaluate the product for a day or two, then get swamped with real work for a few weeks. I finally get back to evaluating the software and discover that I've only got a few days to examine it. This is frustrating for many programs and effectively negates the value of the evaluation for programs you need to use pervasively for a few weeks to try (development environments are a good example). Sure, I can usually request an additional key to unlock it for another 30 days, but that's frustrating. Free Sales Tip: Don't frustrate potential customers.

      This isn't the case for personal software, but for professional software you don't need to worry constantly about pirated use. Companies using software can afford to pay for it. They certainly can't afford the risk of getting caught. Put in nags and give long demo periods.

      (One improvement that I've seen several products use is to limit you to 30 days of use. So if I get interrupted for a few weeks in the middle, I'll still have a few weeks to examine the software.)

      ...if you're downloading a trial of a professional software package it's more professional, in my opinion, if after downloading it you get an e-mail from Bob Soandso and his phone number if you have any questions about how to use the software, etc.

      My experience with professional software development packages is that I often end up on the offering companies bulk email advertising lists. I had this experience five years ago (Rational), I had this experience three years ago (Several dongle manufacturers), and I had this experience last year (several ActiveX control suppliers). The "best" I've ever gotten is a clear form letter with my name stuck into it. Gee, real professional. Getting this junk email really lowers my opinion of the senders. Unfortunately, I'm often forced to report, "Product X is really good, but their sales people are rude and spammed me." Management orders the product and the stupid sales people are left with the impression that their nasty tactics worked. Grrr.

      Anyway, as a result I'm very hesitant to check out professional software. If I need to evaluate the software ("Culd you evaluate memory leak detection tools and tell me which one to buy for the team I'll do it."), I'll enter my email address with a warning attached. ("username@example.com DO NOT CONTACT ME"). If it's personal investigation, ("Hey, this product might help me with my work"), I'll generally pass unless there is a clear, english promise to not spam me. If you insist on an email address, you migh lose me as a potential customer.

    9. Re:I dont enter my email by cwikla · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I personally think that evaluation periods should be mandatory. I write software, and I've bought software, and there is nothing worse than picking up a piece of software and then finding it so bug-ridden or unuseful for your situation that you've just blown tens or hundreds of bucks. The evaluation help both sides, you get to try my software, and I get to expose you to my software that I hope you buy. However, once the evaluation period is done, too bad, buy the software or find something else. If it's that useful for you then I don't know why a 30 day period wouldn't be plenty (heck, I give 45) for you to make a decision. As a software author I WANT your phone ringing off the hook -- apparantly it's the incentive you need to get around to paying me for my software that obviously benefits you or your company.

    10. Re:I dont enter my email by Kynde · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Ummm....then how is it different then the full version? Evaluation software is supposed to be used for *evaluation*. Not for five-nines critical applications. On a server the popup messages will go unnoticed, and the startup sequence will appear almost never. If you want to use it longer, then maybe it's time you paid for it.

      Should be obvious that for companies paying the $20-200 for a software that's beneficial/useful is _NOTHING_. Besides companies really cant have afford to get busted for piracy in a software audit. Naturally this does not include countries were piracy is as illegal as spitting on the ground (and this inturn does no include Singapore :)).

      Nonetheless the point is that a majority of the people at home downloading evaluation versions wouldnt purchase them anyway, where as companies would/could, given that the evaluation version was tolerabel and the prices and the works were layd out upfront.

      Some evaluation version sellers tend to use so annoying strategies that I'm really amazed that how on earth will they ever actually sell anything.

      Take Real for example. I for one would never ever purchase anything from them...

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    11. Re:I dont enter my email by Sircus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As a shareware author, I can pretty safely assert that most people *are* thieves. I'm sorry that the occasional customer might find the 30 day timeout on my company's software annoying, but if it weren't there, even more people would just keep using the software without ever paying. We fairly often get support requests from people using cracked versions of our software - not directly relevant to the discussion, but an indicator of the kind of depths people will stoop to.

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    12. Re:I dont enter my email by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      sorry, but at work we have a download that is only available after filling out a contact form.. OVER 50% of the email adresses are fake. so this makes this information collection system worthless and useless.

      If you are catering to a technically savvy user, you will never get a useable email address on your download form... let alone any other useful information.. I personally fill things out with all bogus info and u
      se a disposable email addy. and It is a practive I reccomend to everyone here at work also..

      #1- get rid of any forms to fill out . they are a waset of your time and drives away customers.

      #2 - IF you get a real email address. delete ALL customer information when the customer asks to have your sales department to stop harassing them. There are 2 electronic CAD companies I have twice asked to stop emailling me. I had to resort to writing a script that takes every email I recieve from them and send out 10 copies to assorted email addresses in the company with STOP SENDING THIS TO ME auto added to the top. I finally had to contact the CEO with a letter explaining that I wil make sure that noone I know will ever buy their products because of their sales department for the emails to stop.

      finally.. Dont you dare sell that contact information. Only the scummiest companies sell their user database... do you want to be a part of that? I made sure my company isnt. and I make sure to tell the boss that his bright idea of forcing contact info to be entered was a dumb idea and is only wasting everyone's time... mentioning this at meetings is a great way to remove such silly things.

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    13. Re:I dont enter my email by arivanov · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In a windows network broadcast a message to the default domain/workgroup saying "Pay your bill or you are violating your license agreement.". This is a three liner.

      Do it periodically. Every 10 mins.

      Does the job quite nicely.

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    14. Re:I dont enter my email by Java+Pimp · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I wouldn't say it's so much people who don't want to pay although there are a few who abuse that. I fully support commercial software as well as free (as in speech) software... As long as it's not crap. Which is why these trial versions are cool.

      30 days is hardly ever enough to fully evaluate a software package. When I evaluate software at work, I can install it, but evaluating that software package is not my sole responsibility for the next 30 days. I may not actually get around to working with the product for a while. I mean actually sitting down with it and running through the tutorials is a lot different than clicking pretty buttons for a few minutes. To fully evaluate it, you must actually use it in it's intended environment or else how would you know it would actually fit. Then, after it's been fully evaluated and it's decided that it is the tool for the job, my company or contract is legally obligated to purchase a license to actually use it in support of the project, otherwise it must be uninstalled. Which is fine by me cause it's no skin off my wallet.

      At home it's a little different. I don't have any corporate dollars purchasing software for me so my views are changed slightly. I still support commercial software. But I only register when it makes sense. For instance, I use WinZip when I'm in Windows like it's another extention to my body. It was well worth the $$ I sent them to register it. (Even the extra $50 for the self extractor that I hardly ever use) And I registered every trial version I use regularly when the $$ <= benefits. I havn't registered my trial version of Paint Shop Pro and I probably won't any time soon. Not because I don't like it but because it's not worth the $$ for what I use it for. I think I used it once or twice about a year or so ago to make a pretty widget for my personal web page. It did the job but I don't make money off my web page and what I used it for I couldn't justify the $100 or so for what I got out of it. If I actually start making money off my website (ie. some small business of some sort) I will not hesitate to register it because I will be using it more and profiting from its output. (although I may just keep using Gimp. :-) Point is, if I registered every crappy piece of software that I used once and forgot about, I'd be in the poor house. Some of these registration fees are pretty outragious for what you get.

      Then there is the professional software for home hobbiests. Even the student price for MS Visual Studio was outragious on a "thank you come again" wage while I was in college... but then, since I'm out of college and making money, I've got a legal copy of that now too. :-)

      God no I'm not giving my email address to these software companies until I actually register something. When I'm looking for a tool for some job, I do a search and may evaluate software from 5-15 different companies. I don't have the time to sit and read each of their privacy policies to see wether or not I'll start getting spam from them or one of their business partners or email list customers. There is no reason anyone needs my email address for me to evaluate something. If they require it, I move on to something else.

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    15. Re:I dont enter my email by old_n_anal · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've been using the potential_spammer@my.domain trick for years (pretty extensive /etc/aliases file.. don't forget to put in a comment to help remember where the address came from!).

      To nuke an address, just delete the alias. The problem is that the spammers still try to send to the address (once on the list seems to mean forever on the list). Even though the mail never gets to your inbox, it's still using your bandwidth.. actually double because of the bounce message.

      Anyone out there have a hack for sendmail that will simply blackhole mail bound for a given address? Just drop the connection when the offending RCPT command is received?

    16. Re:I dont enter my email by plover · · Score: 5, Interesting
      If not, but you take it upon yourself to write one, there's even a better hack approach to take. Modify sendmail to 'tarpit' the spammers.

      Once the RCPT TO: <certain_spammer@my.domain> identifies an inbound-but-unwanted letter, rather than have it drop the connection, have it S...L...O...W - I...T...S...E...L...F - D...O...W...N. Spam works because they can send thousands out easily. They still have to establish thousands of connections. Make any appreciable percent of those difficult, and spam will not work as well.

      This might not work so well with true $$MAKE_MONEY_FAST$$ spam, but it should work for those companies who refuse to stop sending you email. They're usually more clueless than you might expect.

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  2. Evaluation Software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A large factor in my downloading a piece of evaluation is whether there is a crack available for it. If there isn't a crack then if the evaluation isn't hindered in any way for the amount of time it is allowed to be evaluated would be a factor. Of course, usefulness of the software is a large portion as well. Assuming there is a crack, then if the software is used frequently it would get paid for sometime.

  3. the wait.... by Pfhreakaz0id · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the words of Veruka, "but I want it NOW!"...

    If the link/password/whatever hasn't hit my inbox in a minute or two, I'm probably moving on looking for another thing to try. Welcome to the short attention span decade.

  4. reg process turns me off by stubear · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unless I really need the software I avoid registration processes such as those that you require. I do not like to give out personal informaiton, including e-mail addresses, just evaluate software. Not only am I concerned about spam, I abhor receiving e-mails from the sales staff of the company, especially if I state that I do not want to receive e-mail from the company if that option is available. If you want people to evaluate the software and purchase it after the evaluation period is through, provide a warning at the end of the eval which links the user to the comany website where they can purchase the software. If they truly want to buy it they will. Also, offer a link in the help menu which directs the user to the web storefront where they can buy the software should they decide to do so before the eval period is up.

  5. Joel's rule by blacksqr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Joel's rule: every barrier to implementation reduces your customer base by 50%

    http://www.joelonsoftware.com

    1. Re:Joel's rule by Anthony+Boyd · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Joel's rule: every barrier to implementation reduces your customer base by 50%

      This was actually very literally proved out at Borland, too. While I was the Web guy there, we watched "attrition" rates for pages. It went something like this: if you have a home page with 1000 people hitting it, only 500 people will hit the subpages, and only 250 people will hit the sub-subpages. Once we realized that, we quickly moved to a very busy homepage with tons of links, trying to keep everything 2 or 3 clicks away at most. Even though I found the design to be ugly ugly ugly, I was amazed at how the numbers improved. Previously buried articles quadrupled their readership -- at the expense of nothing else. Everything benefitted from the rise.

    2. Re:Joel's rule by Loki_1929 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Good,
      Then by Xeno's Paradox, you'll never lose all your customers! This should be an investor's dream company.

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  6. Why HOURS? by JCCyC · · Score: 4, Interesting

    By know you may have already realized the long delay to receive username/password is why people don't download. What I have to ask you is WHY, pray tell, it takes so damn long? Do people manually check addresses or something? You have to /usr/lib/sendmail something to the person straightaway!

  7. Re-registering by batobin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Might the people be merely requesting a new code to further their 30 day trial? Your software might have precautions against this, but on a Mac I know how easy it is to simply delete a preference file (ircle developers: please pretend you didn't read this).

    You could have already thought of this, but that's just the first thing that popped into my mind. They don't download the software because they already have the software. They just need a new code.

  8. I never get the confirmation by BurritoWarrior · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...since I use Cowboy Neal's email address for all registration forms.

  9. Having to give an e-mail address by techmuse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I do not like to give my e-mail address to companies, because I do not want spam. If I have to give my address to download software, I will likely not give it, or will give an incorrect address.

  10. Often it is too complicated by Cryogenes · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Take, for example the Borland downloads of Delphi Personal Edition, Kylix Open Edition etc. They ask you to register and fill out forms before you are allowed to download. Then installation itself is another multi-step process with various registration infos getting sent back and forth - it takes hours to complete.

    I just don't do this anymore. Much easier to get a version with all necessary serial numbers and whatever included from edonkey or usenet.

    Don't require registration. Don't ask intrusive questions. It is not good for your company if the legit evaluation copy is harder to obtain than the warez version.

    Do you believe in death after life?

  11. Your product is not unique enough by AtomicBomb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The simplest reason is the users have found something else in the mean time. It is particularly true if your product is mainstream (eg virus scanner, compression program, image viewer and the like).

    Say, they are looking for jp2 viewer, they will go for shareware first, then evaluation ware. If nothing is found, go for evaluation ware that need registration. As long as they find something okay, they will stop searching. (Of course, if your software is unique, and some customers really need that, then they will wait.... Maybe more common in some sector of the research community. Not so in the commerical world.)

    The better approach is to allow the user to download first. When they want to evaluate more advanced function of the software, pop up a window to lure them to register. If you really want to validate their email address in advance, please use automatic mail reply and ensure the avg time taken in within 5 mins rather than a few hours...

  12. Fake addresses by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why might you stop short of actually downloading the software?

    Why do you think the people gave you their real email address in the first place?

    I'd say most of the non-downloaders simply didn't give you their real email address.

  13. Eval Software by riwright · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I often find that thirty days is simply not long enough to evaluate a product. The world of software development is frequently a turbulent one and priorities can shift from one day to the next.

    A good example is something that happened recently. We had a memory leak and I was asked to figure it out. I said that a profiler would be an excellent tool to have so I downloaded evals of a couple of popular products. Before I could get to any evaluation we sorted the problem out using other means.

    The tools we used we crude and even though the immediate problem was solved, I still wanted something more sophisticated. I moved on to other more pressing issues and when I finally had a quiet moment to install and play with the profilers, I realized my thirty days was gone.

    I think sales departments assume that developers live in a very linear world. That we:

    1.) Isolate the need for a product.
    2.) Collect relevant information.
    3.) Download demos
    4.) Conduct a formal evaluation
    5.) Based on the merits, make a decision.

    This is not the world I live in.

  14. it's the Pointy Haired Boss by bunyip · · Score: 5, Funny

    Often, the Pointy Haired Boss (PHB) has an urgent need for me to evaluate some Left-Handed Swivelhopper, so I sign up for the eval. By the time I'm ready to try it out, the urgent need has changed, I'm chasing Object-Oriented Dooverlackies.

    I've often downloaded large files (>100MB even), then lost interest or found another way to solve my problem. Oops - I think I just admitted that I even change my own priorities! Oh well......

  15. Why are you registering people? by legLess · · Score: 3, Insightful
    To answer your question, I'm very reluctant to give out my email address (even a web-based spam-catcher) to anyone. I'm even more reluctant when I think it will be used to market to me.

    I just downloaded a trial-ware app the other day, and the company in question also wanted my email address, physical address, who I worked for, etc. All of the form items were required. I said, "bullshit," and did a Google search for the program - a minute later I was installing it.

    So here's a question back: Why are you requiring people to register in the first place? Not knowing you or your business, I'd make two guesses:
    1. You're hoping to prevent your trialware being "pirated" or cracked, perhaps by keying each copy uniquely so you can identify the source of a cracked version.
    2. To collect information so you can market to me later, or sell my personal information to some other company.
    Frankly, I think they're both stupid reasons. First, you can't prevent a determined person from cracking your software, or getting a cracked copy if he/she wants it. Second, if you'r eethical and up-front about using the information for marketing purposes then most people will just opt-out.

    Unless you've got a better reason, think hard about why you're making it more difficult for people to get your software - and why you weren't clueful enough to figure out people wouldn't register in the first place.

    Lastly - hours?? That's one of the great things about online software distribution - you can have it right now. Unless I were convinced you were truly the only source in the world, I wouldn't even consider waiting that long.
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  16. You might have it backwards. by Sax+Maniac · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Where I work, we routinely send out lots and lots demonstration software. A lot of them turn into sales.

    However, our method is the reverse of yours. You can download all the binaries whenever you want, any time, all the time. Transfer interrputed? Go ahead, download again. Downloaded it, but lost it? Download again. Got corrupted? Download again. These are the real things, not crippled evaluation versions.

    What we do is liberally give out demo licenses via email, that expires after a short time. Provided you're not an asshole, you can renew your demo licenses.

    Of course, the downside to this it could be cracked and warez'd out. I don't know the company stance and don't pretend to speak for it, but I don't care. Piracy is part of doing business in software, and the less you piss off your customers, IMHO, the better. So, while I don't like people pirating our software, I'm still against the recent stupid-ass (c'mon, you all know the words!) laws that seem to have festered recently in this area.

    Perhaps this works better, I don't know why. Maybe it's psychological: people download the binary first and then feel they need to try it out to justify the time spent. Or something like that.

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    1. Re:You might have it backwards. by alcmena · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'll admit, there is very few pieces of demo-ware that I've bought. Though, there is one piece that I did. AnyJ has a cool way of doing it. You can download as many times as you want. Every one of the features are there to use. If you try to open a project older than 90 days, it reminds you that you should register, but lets you continue anyway. For those reasons, I bought a personal license. And in fact, my past two companines have switched from their IDE's to AnyJ because of the demo's they tried.

      I guess what I'm trying to say is that many other posters out here. Do not require an email address until they buy the software. Do not cripple the program from the start. If you treat your customers like pirates, pirates they will become (see RIAA). If you treat your customers like people you want to please, then some will buy, and some will decide your product isn't worth it. That's the chance you take.

  17. Thoughts from the evaluation process... by Nindalf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "This looks interesting, I'll just try their free evaluation version..."
    "Ugh... they want my email address... Yeah, you send your spam to nobody@notme.com"
    "Damn it, these spammy bastards mail you the access codes. [sigh] Okay, here's my real address..."
    "A FEW MORE HOURS?!"
    "Okay, Kazaa, where's the full version?"

  18. My reasons by Sivar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1) If you need my email address, I don't need your software. (and if I do need your software, I'll enter support@microsoft.com)
    2) Most utilities and apps are more trouble than they're worth. Particularly if we are talking about Windows software, it seems popular for 'programmers' to make a big deal out of their little program, writing all over the registry and putting files who knows where (which should not leave the program's own directory). Most of these save their registry settings "just in case" its reinstalled and don't fully uninstall themselves.
    As far as Unix programs, chances are there's a better and free implimentation at Freshmeat. Make it GPL.
    3) With Windows shareware/demoware in general, it's just a pain to deal with the cute little "register me" BS like popup windows, program start delays, time limits, "enter your registration number," etc. If I like the program, I'll register it, but annoying me every time I use the program just associates being annoyed with using that program.
    Psychology 101 will show companies why that is a bad thing.
    Just my $0.02

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  19. A few hours by Peter+H.S. · · Score: 3, Interesting

    An email containing a username and password is sent to the registrant a few hours after submission.

    As so many others have mentionend, a "few hours" is a very long time. Perhaps not only because people have a short attention span, but because people, the potential costumers, are comparison shopping, and the delay meant that they went elsewere.

    I don't know what software your company is making, but lets assume it is something for the desktop user, a piece of software that may have advanteges over the competition, but nevertheless may be easely substituted with something from a competing company. Eg. a small photo editing app.

    Somewhere, a proud owner of a new digital camera, wants that kind of software; he goes searching on the web, looks at screenshoots, featurelists and prices, and decides that 3 products looks promising: two of the products are instantly downloaded and tried out, but your app, requires not only a long registration formular, but induces a surpricing two hour waiting period, in which your potential costumer, not only have tried your competitions apps, but may have actually bought them.

    Think about going down "Main Street", shopping for a pair of shoes; In one shop, when asking for trying out a pair of shoes, the expedient hands you a two page formular, asking among other things, your phone number, age and job status.
    After spending 20 minutes filling it out, you are then told to come back in a couple of hours.
    You then go elsewhere.

    Lets assume, that your software is somewhat more expensive, and not an "impulse" buy. Perhaps an unique app, that will help people design better, and faster "foo". Surely, professionals may be more patient. But no, that work dead afternoon, where you potential costumer is searching the web for tools that may make him more productive, may be followed up by 5 hectic days. So if you don't engage your potential costumer when he has time, you can loose an oppertunity.
    Same thing with the trial period; if your software cost serious money, it probably requieres several hours to test. Most professionals have way too little time at their disposal, they may only have some short timeslots availeably during a week, for testing something new. 30 days may pass quickly, so bump the trial period to 60 days (like eg. IBM does).

    In short, make your product as easely availably as possible.

  20. Spam in e-mail or telephone form is EVIL by hendridm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > If you're serious about trying out the software and would seriously consider purchasing it, giving them an e-mail so a representative can contact you for support makes sense.

    No, it doesn't. If I'm looking for a solution, I might try a ton of demos until I find the right one. I don't want to be hounded by all of the ones I discounted as crap.

    It's like shopping at JC Penney or Sears and the salespeople hound you EVERY 3 MINUTES. Thanks, but I already know how to shop and you just turned me off to your store.

    Here's a shocking idea - How about if I need help I'll ask?

    1. Re:Spam in e-mail or telephone form is EVIL by Derek · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Here's a shocking idea - How about if I need help I'll ask?
      Agreed. Another good idea, at least if you're interested in my business, is to make your contact info easy to find. Give me a phone number for crying out loud! Answer your email! Anything! It amazes me sometimes how hard it is to find contact information for a company I might want to do business with.

      It must be that some companies don't want to see their 1-800 phone lines abused in the same way that they abuse their customers email addresses.

      -Derek

    2. Re:Spam in e-mail or telephone form is EVIL by plover · · Score: 3, Insightful
      You wanna know WHY they ask you if you want help every three minutes? It has nothing to do with your prior refusal to accept their help, or anything to do with actually helping you.

      Their loss prevention staff has them offering you help so that you don't steal stuff. It reduces theft greatly to have everyone feel "noticed." And if you're not buying, you'll feel compelled to leave.

      Apparently, they lose more in theft than they do in pissed-off customers who walk out.

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  21. Agree with unrestricted download, fast key gen by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A lot of people seem to be harping about registering to download something.

    When I eval stuff for work (software developer), I don't mind at all registering my work info. It's the same way with conferences - I'm happy to give out my info.

    Why? In general I find that companies trying to sell to other companies are not nearly as bad about spam as Fred's House 'O Cheap DVD's. Besides, it's my work mail account - who cares what happens to that.

    So registration is not the problem as I see it. As others have said, you need to let the users download it whenever they like - look at just about any big chunck of enterprise software, they all have full versions you can DL. Then you need to send out a key, pronto! And make it easy. I've seen plenty of software where I downloaded it by then by the time I got the key I was doing something else and forgot the whole thing, or the key was such a PITA to get I just dropped the whole thing.

    If you are worried about someone downloading it and making copies - fold up shop and shut down the company. You're going to be dissapointed if you expect anything less than everyone on earth having a fully enabled copy hours after the first regitsered user fires it up. Learn to live with that, then charge a fair price and people WILL pay you - remember, it's not even thier own money they are using so they are probably included to give you some! Plus, companies like nothing more than paying for support contracts even when they are not needed.

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  22. What turns me off? by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Number 1: It's been said time and again, but registration. There are a million reasons why a company wants to have this, and I see these posts from people saying that I have no position to compain. I have EVERY reason to compain. I am a potential customer. And I don't want you to know anything about me until I buy your software. That's what I would prefer.

    If I'm made to type in an e-mail address to download, I type in a bogus address. If I need to get a key or anything else from my e-mail, I've just been sent the message that the software company does'nt want my business. This has happened more then once, and I've gone somewhere else. If I like your software, and I give you my or my companies credit card number, you get to know who I am. Not before.

    2. Full featured software. If I bother to download your evaulation, I expect to be able to use it. When I can't save my work, or find that an important feature is turned off, or I have some stupid 10 minut time limit, the software gets deleted.

    3. Installation. I can tell right away how much I'd like or not like a peice of software by installation. Paste icons all over my desktop without asking? You've annoyed me. Put yourself in my startup, even though it's not needed? You're gone. Bundle yourself with spyware? You're gone.

    4. Remind me, clearly, when the evaulation period is getting to the end. 'You have 5 days left in your evaulation period' when I start the program up. I can think of many times when I've found a peice of software I like, forget to purchase it, forget to get approval for the purchase. I find another way to get something done, and I'll just forget about it. If I were a more orginized person, I'd keep tabs of those things, but I'm not.

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  23. Re:Why we ask you to fill out a form by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, there are many who enter garbage in all the fields. And yes, there are those who use the obvious throw-away email addresses. But we assume them to be not very serious prospective customers.

    I can personally attest to over a dozen peices of software I've purchased after entering a bogus e-mail address.

    I don't know what software you sell, but if I was shopping for an application you sell, and your marketing people wanted to know this 'golden' information why I went with a competitor, it's because you wanted to make me jump through hoops I did'nt want to jump through just to see if your stuff was any good.

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  24. Why I avoid evaluation software by Naum · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I loathe any evaluation type software, especially that which has some timer/trial date period before it forces you to register/buy the product. And I especially detest it when it embeds itself into the registry (specifically speaking of Windows platforms) and even after uninstalling, it still isn't completely wiped off my HD. It still shows but yet when I try to remove programs/uninstall, I get an error message ...

    Some tips for aspiring developers to break free of the not-so-surprising (at least to me) pattern of timid experimenters and reluctant trial end users.

    1. How about producing a demo version instead of an evaluation copy. The evaluation copy scheme is a leftover from older times of computing where a software manufacturer could get themselves "in the door" and etch out a niche supplying needed functionality. It's a new century now, there's a world wide web full of alternative products, and as most of the useability studies indicate, people won't hesitate to hit the back button or shelve a download that they're unsure of. A demo, on the other hand, is a stand alone, scaled down version of the product - it may be gimped in terms of complete functionality, options customization, advanced features, etc. but at least it presents to the user what the product looks like, what it does (and can potentially do) and gets the user acquainted with the UI look and feel. For successful examples, look no further than recent game releases - a Freedom Force demo where you get 2 single player campaigns and a taste of the character customization palette. It, no doubt, endeared many subsequent customers that went ahead with a new game purchase.

    2. Having to register and supply boat loads of required personal information for a trial version is a big turnoff for many. Scale back the information collecting field requirements - some information may be necessary to track who, what, and why, but if most people won't even register their software, what makes software creators believe that they're more than willing to bend over backwards in acquiescing personal data?

    3. I feel firms would be better served by diverting resources unto building interactive communities centered on the public use of the product. Yes, I realize the scourge of piracy and stolen software, but let's face it - the best sort of advertising is word of mouth or the testimonials of real, honest users whose feedback will continue to improve and enhance the product. I find it appalling that companies are still locked into this "shrink-wrap-now-were-done" mentality. Market forces will conspire and leave those entrepreneurs in the dust.
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  25. What Turns Me Off About Evaluation Software? by Robber+Baron · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Having to hunt around on the 'net for a crack! Seriously, if it's worth having, I will buy it, as long as doing so is easier than obtaining a cracked version...so make that part as painless as possible and we'll get along just fine.

    Filling out those "forms" doesn't really bug me too much (except that bloody CNET wants us to fill out bloody forms now just to download freeware!), as I fill them all out pretty much the same:

    Name: Homer Simpson
    Address: 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, Washington DC.
    Country: Azerbajan
    Zip: 90210
    Year of birth: 1900

    ...and so on. You get the idea.

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    You're using her as bait, Master!

  26. Registration/password should be instant! by aquarian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You'd think people in the business of writing software would be able to figure out how to generate a key and password and send it to you instantly.

  27. Re:Why we ask you to fill out a form by RedWizzard · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Yes, there are many who enter garbage in all the fields. And yes, there are those who use the obvious throw-away email addresses. But we assume them to be not very serious prospective customers. Conversely, there are those who enter very accurate information, and we assume them to be much better sales prospects.
    I don't know you. I don't trust you. The fact that I will not give you my contact details has no bearing on the likelihood that I will buy your software. The fact that you expect me to give you that information does.
    In the end, I acquiesced, reasoning that they are getting something for free, so they should be willing to give up something.
    That attitude is why you will never sell me your software. I'm not getting something for free - I'm giving you the opportunity to sell me your software. Why should I give you valuable information up front as well? You seem to have forgotten who is serving who here.
    But being tuned in to peoples' concerns about spam, I thought it was absolutely essential that we be very honest about how their email address would be used.
    Since I don't know or trust you why would anything you say re how you'll use my personal information have any weight with me? Especially when I can avoid the whole problem by not giving you that info in the first place?
  28. I'm guilty of this by HydroCarbon10 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Whenever I go to the point of registering as if I were planning on buying or trying a piece of software and yet I don't actually carry through it means that the vendor didn't have all the information I needed available on the website. Quite often I'll register with a fake email address to check and see what the pricing schemes look like, what it will cost to ship a product, or just to see if I can glean any extra information from the website after registering.

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  29. Re:Radio Shack by Carnivore · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's actually better for the ShackDrone if you just give them fake info. The are rated by the percent of purchases for which they get a name/address combo, but the names/addresses aren't checked.

    One of my friends, as a joke, made the person 'Fag Ass' for one of my other friends. Prints on the recipt. Ha Ha. The next time someone didn't give his name, my friend just hit 'a', and lo and behold 'Ass, Fag' came up. He did this for a while and got a commendation for 100% name/address ratio, then he got fired when a bigwig noticed the name.