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What Turns You Off About Evaluation Software?

An Anonymous Coward asks: "I work at a mid-tier software company (which shall remain nameless, lest I draw attention to myself). Recently we have started making 30 day evaluation versions of our software available for download after prospects register. An email containing a username and password is sent to the registrant a few hours after submission. We have been surprised to find that not a few registrants don't actually go on to download the software. We make the file size and system requirements clear up front. I would guess some slashdot readers get involved in evaluations. What process do you go through? Why might you stop short of actually downloading the software?"

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  1. I dont enter my email by reptilian+biotech · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If it wants a valid email addy, I forget it and find something else. say no to spam

    1. Re:I dont enter my email by TedCheshireAcad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If I am going to use commercial software, it means I gave up trying to find a similar product under the GPL. I have only come across this problem in several instances, all times when I needed something for a Windows network.

      How to turn customers off:
      1. Make them enter an e-mail address.
      2. Make them fill out a form. See 1.
      3. Make them wait for registration info.
      4. Use a 30 day limit. 90 sounds better.
      5. Make them do all that crap for software they didn't need or like anyhow.
      6. Have you sales staff hound them nonstop by phone and e-mail and personal visits. (Will you folks at StorageSoft get the point?)

      How to turn customers on:
      1. 90 day or unlimited trial only with the stupid features turned off.
      2. No registration crap.
      3. Precise product description, no lies.
      4. Screenshots, my god, screenshots.
      5. Multiple fast download sites. I should be able to get 150k/sec at least.
      6. No hunting for downloadable files. This goes for you too, Real.
      7. Upfront licensing policies and prices. Tell me on your website how much I have to pay for 1, 10, or a site license.
      8. I will call you if I want to buy it. Don't feel free to bother me during my lunch hour. Your voicemails get deleted, too.
      9. If you must have my e-mail address, remember this: My inbox is a sacred shrine, none shall enter that are not worthy.

      -my $.02

    2. Re:I dont enter my email by IpSo_ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, do not disable functionality in a piece of _evaluation_ software. I spent the time downloading it and setting it up to test all its features, not just a small percentage of them!

      Car dealerships don't have demo vehicles with only three wheels, and offer you the fourth wheel once you make the purchase do they?

      As well, when the trial period ends, do not cripple the program, especially if it gets installed on a server. The last thing I want is my phone ringing off the hook with angry users complaining a service isn't available because the trial period ran out and the program killed itself. Send reminders, maybe even put a delay at startup with a message or something, but please don't make the software self-destruct itself. If I'm serious about evaluating a piece of software, I want to put it to good use, in a semi-real enviroment.

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    3. Re:I dont enter my email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful


      How to turn customers on:
      1. 90 day or unlimited trial only with the stupid features turned off.

      In other words, pretty much give it away for free. (90 days apart to uninstall/reinstall or in some cases reformat is not much of a pain in the ass.) Not that this surprises me coming from Slashdot, News for People Who Don't Want To Pay.

      2. No registration crap.

      If you're serious about trying out the software and would seriously consider purchasing it, giving them an e-mail so a representative can contact you for support makes sense. Not really for like winzip, but if you're downloading a trial of a professional software package it's more professional, in my opinion, if after downloading it you get an e-mail from Bob Soandso and his phone number if you have any questions about how to use the software, etc.

    4. Re:I dont enter my email by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bottom line is, you can't please all of the people all of the time. Those who seriously have a use for your product and would be prepared to pay don't mind giving an email address.

      I can't think of anyone who would choose an option from list 1 (two posts above) over list two. So you *can* please all people, in this limited range of the definition of "please". And I'm someone who would seriously have a use for some products, and would be prepared to pay (and have), and yet will not give out my e-mail address. Instead, I'll try to find a competing product that *does* have an easy download system. It's often faster than waiting for the e-mail reply.

    5. Re:I dont enter my email by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ummm....then how is it different then the full version? Evaluation software is supposed to be used for *evaluation*. Not for five-nines critical applications. On a server the popup messages will go unnoticed, and the startup sequence will appear almost never. If you want to use it longer, then maybe it's time you paid for it.

    6. Re:I dont enter my email by cropserion · · Score: 5, Funny

      2. No registration crap.

      If you're serious about trying out the software and would seriously consider purchasing it, giving them an e-mail so a representative can contact you for support makes sense. Not really for like winzip, but if you're downloading a trial of a professional software package it's more professional, in my opinion, if after downloading it you get an e-mail from Bob Soandso and his phone number if you have any questions about how to use the software, etc.


      I have to agree with the AC on this one, if you are really trying a piece of software then you should enter an email addr.

      Personally I have my own domain and all emails sent to that domain goto the one mailbox by default, so when filling out a web form I will always use a different_name@mydomain for the name portion of the address. I always try to use a name similar to the company who want my address, for instance I would use redhat@mydomain when filling out a form on the redhat site.
      Then if I find that I am receiving alot of spam to a particular address I will then block all mails to that address in sendmail. I also try to find the sales and support email address of the company who sold my address to the spammers and I will sign up their address for newsletters from some of the sickest porn sites I can find.

      I guess for most people this isn't an option but it works for me :)

    7. Re:I dont enter my email by silicon_synapse · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bottom line is, you can't please all of the people all of the time. Those who seriously have a use for your product and would be prepared to pay don't mind giving an email address

      I beg to differ. I am more than willing to pay a fair price for usefull software that does its job well, but there is absolutely NO REASON they should need my email address. What does email have to do with purchasing software online? I'll give them my credit card number, they generate a serial number and point me to a download. Very simple.

    8. Re:I dont enter my email by Cryptnotic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      However, the piracy of Windows and Microsoft software has definately contributed to their dominance of the computer industry. If they made their products more difficult to pirate, the pirates (probably a good 50% of home/hobbyist users) would look for an alternative.

      It's just like if you're planning on filing a lawsuit against someone. You go after the people with money.

      Cryptnotic

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    9. Re:I dont enter my email by Zapman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      [poster1 said:]

      1. 90 day or unlimited trial only with the stupid features turned off.

      [poster2 replied:]

      In other words, pretty much give it away for free. (90 days apart to uninstall/reinstall or in some cases reformat is not much of a pain in the ass.)

      Better: In your registration code, encode the start and end dates of the evaluation. Encrypt and obfuscate it to the far-thee-well, and have done.

      If someone's willing to keep the dates on they're computer out of sync, you'll not get money out of them anyway (since they're too small of a shop (or home) for you to bother with.

      Though I must strongly agree with the poster who suggested sending email warnings about licenses expiring. Veritas NetBackup does the encode the date thing. We had paid for it, and I thought that I had put the keys in correctly. However, it just quit on me. Something one does NOT want to see in their enterprise backup solution...

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    10. Re:I dont enter my email by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Date information is AFAIK only encoded into EVALUATION/BETA licenses for NetBackup. Did you contact Tech Support? VERITAS Tech Support is one of the reasons I DO use their product for my Enterprise solution.

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    11. Re:I dont enter my email by TheLinuxWarrior · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Sorry, but you are wrong on both accounts.

      I' not asking for it for free (I work for a large global company and open source is not even approved for anything but pilot work at this point), but 60 or 90 days is better than 30. Where I work, we have many projects going on at one time, with a number of difficulties with interdepartmental coordination of efforts. I may get it installed on a server, and it may sit there for two to three weeks doing absolutely nothing until someone from the client department is available to test it. I have actually had 30 day evals expire while waiting to be tested.

      As for point number two...that's crap also. If your software tested out ok, is on the corporate "approved" list, and is at least competitively priced with other similarly capable products, I will contact the vendor for purchase. The last thing I need is to be inundated with spam and pathetic calls from sales people. (Don't call us, we'll call you really works here)

      That's my .02 cents.

    12. Re:I dont enter my email by Jucius+Maximus · · Score: 3, Insightful
      "In other words, pretty much give it away for free. (90 days apart to uninstall/reinstall or in some cases reformat is not much of a pain in the ass.) Not that this surprises me coming from Slashdot, News for People Who Don't Want To Pay."

      I am a student with not too much money. I try to get freeware or Free (as in speech) software as much as possible (but of course you know how piracy is on university campuses for the commercial software that they use in the labs.)

      The only pieces of software that I have paid money for (online) are the following:
      - Turbo Navigator - US$10 - It is an excellent Norton Commander clone for win32- The Official Page is acting funny so check this Unofficial Page if you want.
      - Query-Web - US$9.95 - A highly unique program that uses SQL in combination with HTML/XML to generate pages dynamically from MS Access databases. It is how Webattack is generated.

      When I get into my job this summer I will have money again and probably pay for Trillian and donate to the Ogg Vorbis Project as well.

      The things that these progs have in common are that I could have gotten it all legally for free anyway; There were no time limitations, nag screens or improved functionality promises for those who pay. I paid because the programmers did an excellent job of making a program that was useful to me and requested reasonable payment for it. Paying because the software will otherwise commit suicidce after 30 (90, whatever) days is not IMHO a good reason.

      Going through my old credit card bills that's it for internet purchases of software but that does not include stuff like domain registration and buying computer equipment online. The things listed here are of course totally separate from the stuff bought in brick&mortar stores.

    13. Re:I dont enter my email by ChaosDiscord · · Score: 3, Informative
      90 day or unlimited trial only...In other words, pretty much give it away for free. (90 days apart to uninstall/reinstall or in some cases reformat is not much of a pain in the ass.) Not that this surprises me coming from Slashdot, News for People Who Don't Want To Pay.

      Thanks for assuming we're all thieves. Do you work for the RIAA?

      I've run into 30 day limits all too often while evaluating products for professional use. I'll evaluate the product for a day or two, then get swamped with real work for a few weeks. I finally get back to evaluating the software and discover that I've only got a few days to examine it. This is frustrating for many programs and effectively negates the value of the evaluation for programs you need to use pervasively for a few weeks to try (development environments are a good example). Sure, I can usually request an additional key to unlock it for another 30 days, but that's frustrating. Free Sales Tip: Don't frustrate potential customers.

      This isn't the case for personal software, but for professional software you don't need to worry constantly about pirated use. Companies using software can afford to pay for it. They certainly can't afford the risk of getting caught. Put in nags and give long demo periods.

      (One improvement that I've seen several products use is to limit you to 30 days of use. So if I get interrupted for a few weeks in the middle, I'll still have a few weeks to examine the software.)

      ...if you're downloading a trial of a professional software package it's more professional, in my opinion, if after downloading it you get an e-mail from Bob Soandso and his phone number if you have any questions about how to use the software, etc.

      My experience with professional software development packages is that I often end up on the offering companies bulk email advertising lists. I had this experience five years ago (Rational), I had this experience three years ago (Several dongle manufacturers), and I had this experience last year (several ActiveX control suppliers). The "best" I've ever gotten is a clear form letter with my name stuck into it. Gee, real professional. Getting this junk email really lowers my opinion of the senders. Unfortunately, I'm often forced to report, "Product X is really good, but their sales people are rude and spammed me." Management orders the product and the stupid sales people are left with the impression that their nasty tactics worked. Grrr.

      Anyway, as a result I'm very hesitant to check out professional software. If I need to evaluate the software ("Culd you evaluate memory leak detection tools and tell me which one to buy for the team I'll do it."), I'll enter my email address with a warning attached. ("username@example.com DO NOT CONTACT ME"). If it's personal investigation, ("Hey, this product might help me with my work"), I'll generally pass unless there is a clear, english promise to not spam me. If you insist on an email address, you migh lose me as a potential customer.

    14. Re:I dont enter my email by cwikla · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I personally think that evaluation periods should be mandatory. I write software, and I've bought software, and there is nothing worse than picking up a piece of software and then finding it so bug-ridden or unuseful for your situation that you've just blown tens or hundreds of bucks. The evaluation help both sides, you get to try my software, and I get to expose you to my software that I hope you buy. However, once the evaluation period is done, too bad, buy the software or find something else. If it's that useful for you then I don't know why a 30 day period wouldn't be plenty (heck, I give 45) for you to make a decision. As a software author I WANT your phone ringing off the hook -- apparantly it's the incentive you need to get around to paying me for my software that obviously benefits you or your company.

    15. Re:I dont enter my email by demonbug · · Score: 2, Insightful
      If you're serious about trying out the software and would seriously consider purchasing it, giving them an e-mail so a representative can contact you for support makes sense


      Giving them my email address so they can contact me for support makes sense????? Uh, yeah, okay. How about, if I fricking need support, I will ask for it, and at THAT point you wil have my email address. Same goes with trying it out. Even if I am seriously considering buying a piece of software, THEY don't need my address. I will make my decision, and if I want to buy it, I know where to find them. If not, no amount of emailing or phoning or anything else is going to change my mind. When you go into an electronics store, a car dealer, or any other place where you are considering buying something, do you want a damn salesperson hovering over your shoulder asking whether you need help deciding if you like the product? I sure don't. Again, if I need help or have a question, I know where to find them. They don't need my name, phone number, email address, or postal address to allow me to try out their product; they don't have any reason to contact me, and I sure don't want to be hearing from them unless I contact them first.

      For me, and for many others in the world, the quickest way to lose my business is to give the appearance of pushy salespeople, and that is exactly the impression requiring me to fill out forms in order to try out your product gives me. Hell, even when I go and test drive a car, they usually only ask to photocopy my drivers license, if that.

    16. Re:I dont enter my email by Kynde · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Ummm....then how is it different then the full version? Evaluation software is supposed to be used for *evaluation*. Not for five-nines critical applications. On a server the popup messages will go unnoticed, and the startup sequence will appear almost never. If you want to use it longer, then maybe it's time you paid for it.

      Should be obvious that for companies paying the $20-200 for a software that's beneficial/useful is _NOTHING_. Besides companies really cant have afford to get busted for piracy in a software audit. Naturally this does not include countries were piracy is as illegal as spitting on the ground (and this inturn does no include Singapore :)).

      Nonetheless the point is that a majority of the people at home downloading evaluation versions wouldnt purchase them anyway, where as companies would/could, given that the evaluation version was tolerabel and the prices and the works were layd out upfront.

      Some evaluation version sellers tend to use so annoying strategies that I'm really amazed that how on earth will they ever actually sell anything.

      Take Real for example. I for one would never ever purchase anything from them...

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    17. Re:I dont enter my email by Sircus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As a shareware author, I can pretty safely assert that most people *are* thieves. I'm sorry that the occasional customer might find the 30 day timeout on my company's software annoying, but if it weren't there, even more people would just keep using the software without ever paying. We fairly often get support requests from people using cracked versions of our software - not directly relevant to the discussion, but an indicator of the kind of depths people will stoop to.

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    18. Re:I dont enter my email by cpct0 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I had to go to that particular process for the place I work. Usually, why do you evaluate a software? To EVALUATE it! Why bother to have a cluttered software that can't be used in the workplace? We tried all the software in cracks. Paint Shop Pro cracked, Photoshop cracked, KPT cracked, Aura cracked, and so on... And finally, we bought 30 Photoshop and 30 Aura. How could we evaluate Photoshop if we couldn't save our files? My 2 cents... Mike

    19. Re:I dont enter my email by Sklivvz · · Score: 2, Informative

      The commercial idea behind shareware is to get your software on as many desktops as possible with low cost. You know from the start that most people will not pay for what they get, but still, the more people use your software, the more people will buy it.
      Take for example winzip, everybody has it, but just a few pay for it, mainly companies. The guy behind it is still making loads of cash, and wouldn't be if he sold it as shrinkwrap.
      If I crack a program is either to evaluate it, or because I can't afford it/it's not worth the price.
      Shareware works on word of mouth ads, and most of the people who carry the word are not paying for your software. If you don't like it, go shrinkwrap. Then you can call it theft.

    20. Re:I dont enter my email by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      sorry, but at work we have a download that is only available after filling out a contact form.. OVER 50% of the email adresses are fake. so this makes this information collection system worthless and useless.

      If you are catering to a technically savvy user, you will never get a useable email address on your download form... let alone any other useful information.. I personally fill things out with all bogus info and u
      se a disposable email addy. and It is a practive I reccomend to everyone here at work also..

      #1- get rid of any forms to fill out . they are a waset of your time and drives away customers.

      #2 - IF you get a real email address. delete ALL customer information when the customer asks to have your sales department to stop harassing them. There are 2 electronic CAD companies I have twice asked to stop emailling me. I had to resort to writing a script that takes every email I recieve from them and send out 10 copies to assorted email addresses in the company with STOP SENDING THIS TO ME auto added to the top. I finally had to contact the CEO with a letter explaining that I wil make sure that noone I know will ever buy their products because of their sales department for the emails to stop.

      finally.. Dont you dare sell that contact information. Only the scummiest companies sell their user database... do you want to be a part of that? I made sure my company isnt. and I make sure to tell the boss that his bright idea of forcing contact info to be entered was a dumb idea and is only wasting everyone's time... mentioning this at meetings is a great way to remove such silly things.

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    21. Re:I dont enter my email by arivanov · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In a windows network broadcast a message to the default domain/workgroup saying "Pay your bill or you are violating your license agreement.". This is a three liner.

      Do it periodically. Every 10 mins.

      Does the job quite nicely.

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    22. Re:I dont enter my email by Sircus · · Score: 2

      If you want to give your software away free, fine - you won't see me stopping you. I also give some of the stuff I write away for free. But if I say I want payment for my software, and someone downloads it either with the specific intention of never paying for it, or downloads it and then uses it past the period they're allowed to evaluate it, that person is *stealing*.

      There's no assumption from me that everyone who evaluates the software's going to want to buy it. I'm happy if 1% of the people buy. But I know for a fact that of the 99% of people who don't buy, there's a good 50% who are using the software, cracked, anyway. Those people are thieves. Hence my point. They're not any less of a thief because they wouldn't have paid if they couldn't get a crack.

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    23. Re:I dont enter my email by Sircus · · Score: 2

      No, I can call it theft anyway. Irrespective of the rather warped views people have, the courts would also call it theft. True, a lot of shareware gets marketed by word of mouth. And?

      If you can't afford a program, or don't think it's worth the price *Don't Use It*. Don't steal it instead.

      The commercial reality behind shareware is that a pitiful number of people are honest. The commercial idea behind it is that everyone is honest. If the practice were close to the theory, you'd see a lot more quality shareware and a lot less $30 10-minute VB apps.

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    24. Re:I dont enter my email by arkanes · · Score: 2

      I agree with most of your points, but, honestly, I'm alot more likely to buy a program that I find useful if I actually sit and use it and make it part of my routine - something I won't do with a feature limited demo, or a demo with a very short time limit. Most of the software I use on a regular basis I used for months before I finally decided to pay for it, and the stuff I used for a couple weeks and then ditched is the stuff with the annoying nag screens, limited features, etc.

    25. Re:I dont enter my email by Zapman · · Score: 2

      Yes, I know. I thought I had the correct sequence of new keys in there, however, I had messed up a few of them, and because the first key was the eval key, it didn't fall through to the rest of them.

      Had I been inteligent, I would have deleted the eval key at a point when I could test that everything would start normally. However, I didn't understand enough of how veritas worked at the time.

      Oh well. Live and learn.

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    26. Re:I dont enter my email by Gill+Bates · · Score: 2

      If it's that useful for you then I don't know why a 30 day period wouldn't be plenty (heck, I give 45) for you to make a decision.

      Because evaluating your software is not the only item on my to-do list. The 30-day evaluation period often expires before I've even had time to fire up the software, let alone make an informed decision on whether it's the right tool for the job. 90 days is more reasonable.

    27. Re:I dont enter my email by ColdGrits · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then download the eval package 60 days leter, when you actually have time to do the eval.

      Problem solved.

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    28. Re:I dont enter my email by msuzio · · Score: 2

      My god, I could not disagree more.

      I absolutely, positively, *hate* it when I have to give my email
      address to evaluate something. Why? Because the sales droids
      then *hound* me. I have to be incredibly rude to them to get
      them to understand the "Don't Call Me, I'll Call You" mentality.
      One call from someone is very helpful -- I know who to
      contact with questions, and who purchasing should talk
      with if I decide to buy the product. A call every two
      days for two weeks is a little annoying... Don't \
      broadcast to me that you're behind on your sales
      quota for the quarter :-)

      As far as eval periods and evaluation license renewal, I hate cases
      where the eval runs out just as I'm getting to the interesting
      parts of using a product (for things like software modules, I might
      have to spend 90+ days just writing my pieces that hook into your
      library before I can see how it will *really* work out).

      When you're talking a $2000+ sale to me, I expect you to give me
      an awful lot of leeway. 90 days eval at least (of the full product, more
      or less), and the sales rep should contact me *once*. I'd expect
      a renewal of that 90 days at least once during my development cycle
      (to allow for the *slow* speed of corporate purchasing... don't make
      me stop my compiles or development because someone in my organization
      is a screwup, you should understand how that's out of my hands).

    29. Re:I dont enter my email by Java+Pimp · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I wouldn't say it's so much people who don't want to pay although there are a few who abuse that. I fully support commercial software as well as free (as in speech) software... As long as it's not crap. Which is why these trial versions are cool.

      30 days is hardly ever enough to fully evaluate a software package. When I evaluate software at work, I can install it, but evaluating that software package is not my sole responsibility for the next 30 days. I may not actually get around to working with the product for a while. I mean actually sitting down with it and running through the tutorials is a lot different than clicking pretty buttons for a few minutes. To fully evaluate it, you must actually use it in it's intended environment or else how would you know it would actually fit. Then, after it's been fully evaluated and it's decided that it is the tool for the job, my company or contract is legally obligated to purchase a license to actually use it in support of the project, otherwise it must be uninstalled. Which is fine by me cause it's no skin off my wallet.

      At home it's a little different. I don't have any corporate dollars purchasing software for me so my views are changed slightly. I still support commercial software. But I only register when it makes sense. For instance, I use WinZip when I'm in Windows like it's another extention to my body. It was well worth the $$ I sent them to register it. (Even the extra $50 for the self extractor that I hardly ever use) And I registered every trial version I use regularly when the $$ <= benefits. I havn't registered my trial version of Paint Shop Pro and I probably won't any time soon. Not because I don't like it but because it's not worth the $$ for what I use it for. I think I used it once or twice about a year or so ago to make a pretty widget for my personal web page. It did the job but I don't make money off my web page and what I used it for I couldn't justify the $100 or so for what I got out of it. If I actually start making money off my website (ie. some small business of some sort) I will not hesitate to register it because I will be using it more and profiting from its output. (although I may just keep using Gimp. :-) Point is, if I registered every crappy piece of software that I used once and forgot about, I'd be in the poor house. Some of these registration fees are pretty outragious for what you get.

      Then there is the professional software for home hobbiests. Even the student price for MS Visual Studio was outragious on a "thank you come again" wage while I was in college... but then, since I'm out of college and making money, I've got a legal copy of that now too. :-)

      God no I'm not giving my email address to these software companies until I actually register something. When I'm looking for a tool for some job, I do a search and may evaluate software from 5-15 different companies. I don't have the time to sit and read each of their privacy policies to see wether or not I'll start getting spam from them or one of their business partners or email list customers. There is no reason anyone needs my email address for me to evaluate something. If they require it, I move on to something else.

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    30. Re:I dont enter my email by old_n_anal · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've been using the potential_spammer@my.domain trick for years (pretty extensive /etc/aliases file.. don't forget to put in a comment to help remember where the address came from!).

      To nuke an address, just delete the alias. The problem is that the spammers still try to send to the address (once on the list seems to mean forever on the list). Even though the mail never gets to your inbox, it's still using your bandwidth.. actually double because of the bounce message.

      Anyone out there have a hack for sendmail that will simply blackhole mail bound for a given address? Just drop the connection when the offending RCPT command is received?

    31. Re:I dont enter my email by Sircus · · Score: 2

      In what way is it not stealing? I borrow your lawnmower for 30 days. After 30 days, I decide to just keep it. Have I stolen your lawnmower?

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    32. Re:I dont enter my email by Sircus · · Score: 2

      Our software doesn't have any nag screens, isn't feature limited, and we'll extend the demo beyond 30 days if someone mails us. Mostly, I think you can decide whether you're going to buy software inside 30 days. If it's some enterprise database installation, perhaps not, but how many enterprise databases get sold as shareware?

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    33. Re:I dont enter my email by plover · · Score: 5, Interesting
      If not, but you take it upon yourself to write one, there's even a better hack approach to take. Modify sendmail to 'tarpit' the spammers.

      Once the RCPT TO: <certain_spammer@my.domain> identifies an inbound-but-unwanted letter, rather than have it drop the connection, have it S...L...O...W - I...T...S...E...L...F - D...O...W...N. Spam works because they can send thousands out easily. They still have to establish thousands of connections. Make any appreciable percent of those difficult, and spam will not work as well.

      This might not work so well with true $$MAKE_MONEY_FAST$$ spam, but it should work for those companies who refuse to stop sending you email. They're usually more clueless than you might expect.

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      John
    34. Re:I dont enter my email by Sircus · · Score: 2

      No, but you've (to my mind) stolen from the author of the book.

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    35. Re:I dont enter my email by moebius_4d · · Score: 2

      > Shakespeare didn't write most of his plays, he primarily just took other peoples plays and wrote them down.

      >Several hundred years later many people still think of him as the worlds greatest playwrite.

      That is utter bullshit. Of course he explored classical themes, but anyone who has actually read any Shakespeare will recognize, if from the language alone, that they have a common author. This is to say nothing of his use of imagery, the development of a coherent philosophy of life, or other thematic issues.

      How about a link or reference to back up your absurd allegation?

    36. Re:I dont enter my email by PD · · Score: 2

      I do the same thing, but I use Mutt and Exim. There are some problems that I found, for example, I subscribe to mailing lists under different names, and those mailing lists expect to see the names I'm subscribed under in the mails I send to it. As I solve these problems, I document them in my weblog. But anyway, your approach seems to be a good one. As you can see, my e-mail address is slashdot-2, because slashdot-1 was discovered by a spammer. I have infinite positive integers to choose from, so I will win.

      I realize that I can never have a permanent e-mail address. This is how I solve that: My web page has my current e-mail address right at the top, with a strong warning that it could change at any time. Any mail that is sent to an address that is turned off bounces with a message about spam, the address of the CAUCE web site, and the address of my website where humans can find my current e-mail address.

      I had to do all that because my current spam load is pushing 10,000 pieces a year, with a definite increase trend.

    37. Re:I dont enter my email by ryanwright · · Score: 2

      But if I say I want payment for my software, and someone downloads it either with the specific intention of never paying for it, or downloads it and then uses it past the period they're allowed to evaluate it, that person is *stealing*.

      Bullshit.

      http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=theft

      \Theft\, n. [OE. thefte, AS. [thorn]i['e]f[eth]e, [thorn][=y]f[eth]e, [thorn]e['o]f[eth]e. See Thief.] 1. (Law) The act of stealing; specifically, the felonious taking and removing of personal property, with an intent to deprive the rightful owner of the same; larceny.

      Note: To constitute theft there must be a taking without the owner's consent, and it must be unlawful or felonious; every part of the property stolen must be removed, however slightly, from its former position; and it must be, at least momentarily, in the complete possession of the thief. See Larceny, and the Note under Robbery.

      Tell me again how using your software without paying for it fits this definition?

      It is impossible to steal intellectual property. They may be violating your copyright, but they are certainly not stealing.

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    38. Re:I dont enter my email by ryanwright · · Score: 2

      Irrespective of the rather warped views people have, the courts would also call it theft.

      No, they don't. They call it copyright infringement. There is a huge difference.

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    39. Re:I dont enter my email by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      so it's worthless to you.

      I have several "trash" addresses that self clear every night at midnight. they are for getting around idiots that think emailing the link get's them a real email address.

      I also set up another 30 of them for the employees her to use to bypass companies that try and do these stupid tactics..

      (NOTE: my Company doesnt try to force customers to revela data anymore.. showing to the bosses' boss that his annoy the customer tactics chase away customers worked great!)

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    40. Re:I dont enter my email by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 2
      And I'm someone who would seriously have a use for some products, and would be prepared to pay (and have), and yet will not give out my e-mail address.
      Me too. I have a partial solution: My ISP allows me six email addresses, and I'm free to add/discard them as I see fit. If you're in a similar situation (most folks with cable or DSL), you can do what I do: create throw-away accounts. I give the account a generic name (usually the name of the product involved, or "ebay" or somesuch), the system tells me it's used and suggests an alternate ("ebay983726"), which I then accept. I use it to order the product and for support for the first 30 days or so, then I ask the ISP to please forget that email address.

      If I really need product support, and they prove themselves worthy (they don't spam the throwaway account), then I'll give them my real address. If you can't accept email address changes from licensed customers, you have a customer support problem.

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    41. Re:I dont enter my email by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 2
      Should be obvious that for companies paying the $20-200 for a software that's beneficial/useful is _NOTHING_.
      Should be obvious, yes, but try telling that to my boss.

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    42. Re:I dont enter my email by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 2

      That's why the previous poster made the distinction between professional and personal software. Unless you're discussing shareware IDE or CAD software, the previous poster agreed with you completely. He didn't say that people weren't thieves, just that real companies aren't thieves.

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    43. Re:I dont enter my email by Sircus · · Score: 2

      "We are here to send the message that those who steal our intellectual property will be prosecuted. This is theft, pure and simple." - Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder.

      Seems like not everyone agrees with you. I don't want to show disdain for your clearly encyclopaedic knowledge of the law, but I hope you'll let me off if I trust the interpretation of a Deputy Attorney General over yours. No offence.

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    44. Re:I dont enter my email by Angst+Badger · · Score: 2
      If you're serious about trying out the software and would seriously consider purchasing it, giving them an e-mail so a representative can contact you for support makes sense. Not really for like winzip, but if you're downloading a trial of a professional software package it's more professional, in my opinion, if after downloading it you get an e-mail from Bob Soandso and his phone number if you have any questions about how to use the software, etc.

      Oh piff. If you're really interested in making sure I can get my questions answered, give me your email address. If you're planning to email or call me to "see how things are going," what you're really looking for is an opportunity to give me a sales pitch. If I want a sales pitch, believe me, I know how to pick up a phone and ask for a salesman. I generally don't, because if you can't explain the benefits of your product in text on your website, your salesman is probably just going to attempt to deceive me.

      Definitely list a price on your site. Except for packages like Oracle that fall into the if-you-need-it-you'll-pay-for-it-no-matter-the-pri ce category (and odds are your app doesn't), the absence of a price tells me that, like buying an automobile, the price is going to be as high as your high-pressure sales team can make it. That doesn't make me want to do business with you.

      Contrary to the suggestion that "you Slashdotters just don't want to pay for anything" (as if anyone wants to pay for things), I am perfectly willing to pay quite a bit if the product is worth it to me. What I am not willing to do is put up with sales drones. Give me the facts, don't ask me any questions, be ready to answer mine (better: have them already answered on your site), and leave me to my own best judgement.

      And BTW, 30 days is a little tight -- not because I'm looking for a free ride, but because I have many times downloaded an evaluation package, forgotten about it, and then come back to find that the eval period has expired and a hidden key in my registry prevents me from reinstalling. (Are you listening UltraEdit?) If it's something I really need, I'll go to the trouble of trying the eval on another machine, but do you only want to sell me the stuff I absolutely need? God help you if you're selling minor utilities or games, then.

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    45. Re:I dont enter my email by jafac · · Score: 2

      Then you *should* vigorously enforce serial number registration on support.

      Give NO support to people who can't cough up a valid serial number - whether it's a 90-day eval serial, or a full license key.

      There. That ought to solve your whiney-ass problem.

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    46. Re:I dont enter my email by Sircus · · Score: 2

      ...and thereby anger my genuine customers by forcing them to scrabble round for a serial number when they want support? Nice plan.

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    47. Re:I dont enter my email by curunir · · Score: 2

      OVER 50% of the email adresses are fake

      I can attest to that. I used to have an email address that, if you removed the .com and replaced the '@' with a space would form a popular two word explitive. I received so much spam from companies thinking that I was "evaluating" their software that I eventually had to stop using that address.

      I liked using that address. It was easy for people to remember when they didn't have a pen and paper to write it down. But thanks to companies requiring people give out their email addresses, I can't use my email address anymore.

      However, while I was still using that address, I did compile a list of every company that ever sent me unsolicited email so that I might never buy their product or have any company that I work for buy their product.

      Just something to think about when reqiring your users to submit an email address.

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    48. Re:I dont enter my email by unitron · · Score: 2
      If they're running some version of Windows then the eval package shouldn't have any trouble sending the software company an email that says "The company this email was sent from is illegally using your software beyond the evaluation period."

      Whether this would be a good thing or a bad thing I offer no opinion on.

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      I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.

    49. Re:I dont enter my email by jafac · · Score: 2

      better than angering your genuine customers by making them wait for support, because you're busy supporting some yahoo who downloaded your software from hotline and entered a hack serial number from Surfer's Serials.

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  2. Evaluation Software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A large factor in my downloading a piece of evaluation is whether there is a crack available for it. If there isn't a crack then if the evaluation isn't hindered in any way for the amount of time it is allowed to be evaluated would be a factor. Of course, usefulness of the software is a large portion as well. Assuming there is a crack, then if the software is used frequently it would get paid for sometime.

  3. the wait.... by Pfhreakaz0id · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the words of Veruka, "but I want it NOW!"...

    If the link/password/whatever hasn't hit my inbox in a minute or two, I'm probably moving on looking for another thing to try. Welcome to the short attention span decade.

  4. reg process turns me off by stubear · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unless I really need the software I avoid registration processes such as those that you require. I do not like to give out personal informaiton, including e-mail addresses, just evaluate software. Not only am I concerned about spam, I abhor receiving e-mails from the sales staff of the company, especially if I state that I do not want to receive e-mail from the company if that option is available. If you want people to evaluate the software and purchase it after the evaluation period is through, provide a warning at the end of the eval which links the user to the comany website where they can purchase the software. If they truly want to buy it they will. Also, offer a link in the help menu which directs the user to the web storefront where they can buy the software should they decide to do so before the eval period is up.

  5. Joel's rule by blacksqr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Joel's rule: every barrier to implementation reduces your customer base by 50%

    http://www.joelonsoftware.com

    1. Re:Joel's rule by Efes · · Score: 2, Informative

      You mean like not hyperlinking your URL's ?
      http://www.joelonsoftware.com Preach for water and drink wine ...

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    2. Re:Joel's rule by Anthony+Boyd · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Joel's rule: every barrier to implementation reduces your customer base by 50%

      This was actually very literally proved out at Borland, too. While I was the Web guy there, we watched "attrition" rates for pages. It went something like this: if you have a home page with 1000 people hitting it, only 500 people will hit the subpages, and only 250 people will hit the sub-subpages. Once we realized that, we quickly moved to a very busy homepage with tons of links, trying to keep everything 2 or 3 clicks away at most. Even though I found the design to be ugly ugly ugly, I was amazed at how the numbers improved. Previously buried articles quadrupled their readership -- at the expense of nothing else. Everything benefitted from the rise.

    3. Re:Joel's rule by Loki_1929 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Good,
      Then by Xeno's Paradox, you'll never lose all your customers! This should be an investor's dream company.

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    4. Re:Joel's rule by BlueWonder · · Score: 2

      True, but once you're down to 2^-92 customers, expect a hard time selling something to a single atom. ;-)

  6. Why HOURS? by JCCyC · · Score: 4, Interesting

    By know you may have already realized the long delay to receive username/password is why people don't download. What I have to ask you is WHY, pray tell, it takes so damn long? Do people manually check addresses or something? You have to /usr/lib/sendmail something to the person straightaway!

  7. Re-registering by batobin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Might the people be merely requesting a new code to further their 30 day trial? Your software might have precautions against this, but on a Mac I know how easy it is to simply delete a preference file (ircle developers: please pretend you didn't read this).

    You could have already thought of this, but that's just the first thing that popped into my mind. They don't download the software because they already have the software. They just need a new code.

  8. Evaluation software bugbears by uzhappali · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1) Collect e-mail address then say "will mail username, passwd". If they had said it upfront and if it was immediate, it would be much more friendlier.
    2) Install spy-ware without public notice.
    3) Infect registry(for M$), store/replace files in strange non-obvious places.
    4) Difficult to uninstall.
    5) Send info about user without permission.
    6) Source not available. :-)

  9. I never get the confirmation by BurritoWarrior · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...since I use Cowboy Neal's email address for all registration forms.

  10. Having to give an e-mail address by techmuse · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I do not like to give my e-mail address to companies, because I do not want spam. If I have to give my address to download software, I will likely not give it, or will give an incorrect address.

  11. Often it is too complicated by Cryogenes · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Take, for example the Borland downloads of Delphi Personal Edition, Kylix Open Edition etc. They ask you to register and fill out forms before you are allowed to download. Then installation itself is another multi-step process with various registration infos getting sent back and forth - it takes hours to complete.

    I just don't do this anymore. Much easier to get a version with all necessary serial numbers and whatever included from edonkey or usenet.

    Don't require registration. Don't ask intrusive questions. It is not good for your company if the legit evaluation copy is harder to obtain than the warez version.

    Do you believe in death after life?

  12. To be blunt... by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    registration sucks. I usually never mess with products that force me to give real information in order to test it out. From what I have found consumer products just generate some extra spam in your inbox, it's the damn coporate products(high dollar stuff) that gets really annoying. I really don't need some saleman e-mailing me every single day for a month just because I wanted to try out his java database driver!!

  13. Your product is not unique enough by AtomicBomb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The simplest reason is the users have found something else in the mean time. It is particularly true if your product is mainstream (eg virus scanner, compression program, image viewer and the like).

    Say, they are looking for jp2 viewer, they will go for shareware first, then evaluation ware. If nothing is found, go for evaluation ware that need registration. As long as they find something okay, they will stop searching. (Of course, if your software is unique, and some customers really need that, then they will wait.... Maybe more common in some sector of the research community. Not so in the commerical world.)

    The better approach is to allow the user to download first. When they want to evaluate more advanced function of the software, pop up a window to lure them to register. If you really want to validate their email address in advance, please use automatic mail reply and ensure the avg time taken in within 5 mins rather than a few hours...

  14. Fake addresses by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why might you stop short of actually downloading the software?

    Why do you think the people gave you their real email address in the first place?

    I'd say most of the non-downloaders simply didn't give you their real email address.

  15. Commercial Software usually sucks. by mjander · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would never download a software if i have to register
    it. Indeed, i never do so, even if i payd for it. I'm receiving more that enough SPAM by now. I don't even register to read Newspapers online which sometimes are linked to slashdot articles. Thats to anoying. Why should i do such stupidity ??
    Why passwords if in the end anything is crackable ???!!

    ...and usually commercial software have the most anying bugs. If some Open Software has a bug, most probably next week its fixed. Then i do apt-get install ... On commercial Software you have to pay for a fix. What a robbery ! I prefer to stay with Open Software, and try to contribute as much i can.

    Bye.

  16. Eval Software by riwright · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I often find that thirty days is simply not long enough to evaluate a product. The world of software development is frequently a turbulent one and priorities can shift from one day to the next.

    A good example is something that happened recently. We had a memory leak and I was asked to figure it out. I said that a profiler would be an excellent tool to have so I downloaded evals of a couple of popular products. Before I could get to any evaluation we sorted the problem out using other means.

    The tools we used we crude and even though the immediate problem was solved, I still wanted something more sophisticated. I moved on to other more pressing issues and when I finally had a quiet moment to install and play with the profilers, I realized my thirty days was gone.

    I think sales departments assume that developers live in a very linear world. That we:

    1.) Isolate the need for a product.
    2.) Collect relevant information.
    3.) Download demos
    4.) Conduct a formal evaluation
    5.) Based on the merits, make a decision.

    This is not the world I live in.

  17. Keeping their Interest by pclinger · · Score: 2

    The key is to keep the person's interest in your product. When they are visiting your site, they are all hyped up about this potentially great product and so they are eager to try it. But the problem is people have short attention spans. You need to catch them in the moment where they are most focused on working with your product.

    You can't wait hours to send them a username and password, that whole system should be automated to send it to them immediately. Get them while they are interested in your service. I run a service [proboards.com] where someone signs up at our site, and we send them their login information. If we waited hours to send them their login info, they wouldn't be interested in what we have to offer and would have moved on to a competitor by then.

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  18. it's the Pointy Haired Boss by bunyip · · Score: 5, Funny

    Often, the Pointy Haired Boss (PHB) has an urgent need for me to evaluate some Left-Handed Swivelhopper, so I sign up for the eval. By the time I'm ready to try it out, the urgent need has changed, I'm chasing Object-Oriented Dooverlackies.

    I've often downloaded large files (>100MB even), then lost interest or found another way to solve my problem. Oops - I think I just admitted that I even change my own priorities! Oh well......

  19. Marketing Sucide by lkaos · · Score: 2

    The largest reason for people to purchase anything is impulse. The novelity of the moment causes people to spend money they usually wouldn't spend.

    When you do not give people instant gratification, they simply lose interest.

    Better yet, let them use the software for 30 days, and after a week they'll never use the software again.

    Evaluation periods just don't work.

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  20. Why are you registering people? by legLess · · Score: 3, Insightful
    To answer your question, I'm very reluctant to give out my email address (even a web-based spam-catcher) to anyone. I'm even more reluctant when I think it will be used to market to me.

    I just downloaded a trial-ware app the other day, and the company in question also wanted my email address, physical address, who I worked for, etc. All of the form items were required. I said, "bullshit," and did a Google search for the program - a minute later I was installing it.

    So here's a question back: Why are you requiring people to register in the first place? Not knowing you or your business, I'd make two guesses:
    1. You're hoping to prevent your trialware being "pirated" or cracked, perhaps by keying each copy uniquely so you can identify the source of a cracked version.
    2. To collect information so you can market to me later, or sell my personal information to some other company.
    Frankly, I think they're both stupid reasons. First, you can't prevent a determined person from cracking your software, or getting a cracked copy if he/she wants it. Second, if you'r eethical and up-front about using the information for marketing purposes then most people will just opt-out.

    Unless you've got a better reason, think hard about why you're making it more difficult for people to get your software - and why you weren't clueful enough to figure out people wouldn't register in the first place.

    Lastly - hours?? That's one of the great things about online software distribution - you can have it right now. Unless I were convinced you were truly the only source in the world, I wouldn't even consider waiting that long.
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  21. You might have it backwards. by Sax+Maniac · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Where I work, we routinely send out lots and lots demonstration software. A lot of them turn into sales.

    However, our method is the reverse of yours. You can download all the binaries whenever you want, any time, all the time. Transfer interrputed? Go ahead, download again. Downloaded it, but lost it? Download again. Got corrupted? Download again. These are the real things, not crippled evaluation versions.

    What we do is liberally give out demo licenses via email, that expires after a short time. Provided you're not an asshole, you can renew your demo licenses.

    Of course, the downside to this it could be cracked and warez'd out. I don't know the company stance and don't pretend to speak for it, but I don't care. Piracy is part of doing business in software, and the less you piss off your customers, IMHO, the better. So, while I don't like people pirating our software, I'm still against the recent stupid-ass (c'mon, you all know the words!) laws that seem to have festered recently in this area.

    Perhaps this works better, I don't know why. Maybe it's psychological: people download the binary first and then feel they need to try it out to justify the time spent. Or something like that.

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    1. Re:You might have it backwards. by alcmena · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'll admit, there is very few pieces of demo-ware that I've bought. Though, there is one piece that I did. AnyJ has a cool way of doing it. You can download as many times as you want. Every one of the features are there to use. If you try to open a project older than 90 days, it reminds you that you should register, but lets you continue anyway. For those reasons, I bought a personal license. And in fact, my past two companines have switched from their IDE's to AnyJ because of the demo's they tried.

      I guess what I'm trying to say is that many other posters out here. Do not require an email address until they buy the software. Do not cripple the program from the start. If you treat your customers like pirates, pirates they will become (see RIAA). If you treat your customers like people you want to please, then some will buy, and some will decide your product isn't worth it. That's the chance you take.

    2. Re:You might have it backwards. by sparkz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Seen your site. The "free download" requires name, address, company name, address, email, blah blah. And I still don't even know what your software *does*

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    3. Re:You might have it backwards. by fizbin · · Score: 2

      One of the senior developers around here is always trying to push ideas similar to this with the phrase "It would be wonderful if we were losing $100 million a year to software piracy".

      The implication is that in order to be in that situation, we'd have to be making money from non-piracy hand-over-fist. Perhaps it's different when selling to home users or individual developers, but our business is mostly to large companies who have people on staff whose job it is to audit software license requirements. With a market like that, it doesn't matter if the number of licensed users is simply a setting in a configuration file; compliance will still be close enough to allow us a nice profit.

      At least, that's the idea - there are many in the organization who are stuck on our old licensing schemes and cannot accept the idea that somewhere a customer might use an extra copy of our software without us even knowing that they were "ripping us off".

    4. Re:You might have it backwards. by obtuse · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Jackpot!

      Don't piss off your customers. Even honest people can be cranky and impatient, so go easy on them.

      I was surprised by an expiration date on a piece of "shareware" (vendor's term, no expiry mentioned before it failed.) After the timebomb went off, I went to enough trouble reinstall their software to extract the data I had in it, and bought their competitor's more complex, more expensive product.

      Another story: A dev team wanted to examine Oracle 8i enterprise, and the free eval didn't include some of the features they wanted to evaluate. I purchased the full product with a small license. A week or two later, I got a call from an Oracle rep who explained to me that I hadn't purchased sufficient licenses, and needed to spend tens of thousands more dollars. He was uninterested in the fact that we were not using this in production, but hoped to develop with it if it provided the functionality we needed. After a conversation with the dev team about alternatives, I called him back and told him we wouldn't need _any_ licenses.

      I'm sure he was confident that he wasn't losing any future sales. I'm confident that he did. Regardless, don't do that if you're not Oracle.

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  22. I don't understand registrations. by MongooseCN · · Score: 2

    Most people fill out registrations with BS, I know I do. With the ones that require and email I use a temporary email account. Once I get the registration, I delete the email account. No spam thank you.

    Then there's the software itself. Time limited trials are no good. Most people won't get too involved with the software if they know it's going to suddenly stop working one day. Either offer a slimmed down version with no time limit, or a slimmed down version with no time limit and a full version with a time limit so the user has a choice. You might be suprised at what most people are going to choose.

  23. Must be the time, not the hassle by iabervon · · Score: 2

    A lot of people don't like giving their email addresses in order to get stuff. That is presumably not the problem you're having, though, because it's unlikely that people will put in a fake email address to which the information on how to get the software will be sent. If something asks for an email address to send information to, I either go away or I give a real one, because I don't get anything by giving a fake one. (I may give a fake one if it just wants an email address but I'm not expecting anything I want to be sent to it). Likewise, if I'm annoyed enough that something is asking for an email address gratuitously to not want to deal with the site, I'm not going to give an email address.

    On the other hand, if I'm expecting information by email in response to a web request, I expect to get a response in a minute. It's not like sending me email is at all complicated. If it takes longer than that, I'm going to look for an alternative. If the site takes a few hours, I've probably already started using a different program, and I'm not interested in the one I found at first.

  24. Evaluating software by CaptainSuperBoy · · Score: 2
    If I am evaluating software to purchase, I rarely fill out the download form. The longer the form is (and the more fields are required), the less likely I am to fill it out. IF I fill it out, I'll use a sneakemail address or a fake address..

    I will simply skip your software if I need to wait for an e-mail from you for a download key. There is no software I'm looking for on the web that I'm willing to waste my time for like that. I was looking for upload components for IIS the other day.. It's for a product I'm developing, and it must be redistributable royalty-free. I found a good component, downloaded it.. but was really turned off by the licensing options. Basically they said, "We only license this per-server. There are no site licenses, no redistributable licenses. We used to have site licenses, but once yours expires you need to buy a new license for every server." So, licensing is a huge turn-off for some eval software.

    Basically, if I'm looking for a software component on the web it can't be too important. I don't exactly hunt around for full-scale accounting packages from companies I've never heard of. Chances are, your software just isn't important enough to justify making users jump through hoops to download it.

    Why do you need my information anyway? I don't want you to call me.. frequently there is no checkbox where you can say, don't bother me at the office. I just don't see a reason why companies need a complete database of everyone who has tried their software.

  25. Download accelerators by Plasmadog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Make it possible to use download accelerators like Gozilla. I have occasionally wanted to download a demo of something, only to find that because of the way the download page is structured, Gozilla can't kick in and take control of the download. When this happens, and if the file is large, I'll just give up rather than take the chance the download will be interrupted.

  26. Thoughts from the evaluation process... by Nindalf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "This looks interesting, I'll just try their free evaluation version..."
    "Ugh... they want my email address... Yeah, you send your spam to nobody@notme.com"
    "Damn it, these spammy bastards mail you the access codes. [sigh] Okay, here's my real address..."
    "A FEW MORE HOURS?!"
    "Okay, Kazaa, where's the full version?"

  27. My reasons by Sivar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1) If you need my email address, I don't need your software. (and if I do need your software, I'll enter support@microsoft.com)
    2) Most utilities and apps are more trouble than they're worth. Particularly if we are talking about Windows software, it seems popular for 'programmers' to make a big deal out of their little program, writing all over the registry and putting files who knows where (which should not leave the program's own directory). Most of these save their registry settings "just in case" its reinstalled and don't fully uninstall themselves.
    As far as Unix programs, chances are there's a better and free implimentation at Freshmeat. Make it GPL.
    3) With Windows shareware/demoware in general, it's just a pain to deal with the cute little "register me" BS like popup windows, program start delays, time limits, "enter your registration number," etc. If I like the program, I'll register it, but annoying me every time I use the program just associates being annoyed with using that program.
    Psychology 101 will show companies why that is a bad thing.
    Just my $0.02

    --
    Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. --E. W. Dijkstra
    1. Re:My reasons by CyberDong · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Most of these save their registry settings "just in case" its reinstalled and don't fully uninstall themselves.

      BING!! Number one answer!

      These artifacts make it even harder to deal with an already arcane and unnecessarily complex system. When something doesn't work, and I need to go registry-spelunking looking for problems, it's amazing how much of this detritus I find.

  28. Time to Learn is an investment by msheppard · · Score: 2

    The time it takes to learn a new piece of software is an investment. I don't really feel like spending the time learning something, then spending MORE if I like it. Granted, the developer doesn't get anything if I invest that time... UNLESS: I invest the time and find I like this particular UNLIMITED SHAREWARE APPLICATION and send the $15 'recommended' fee the developer asked for. Which I have in many cases.

    Better than 30day trial is nag-ware type thing. How many people registered ACDSee just to get rid of that? It's AWSOME software, that's why you do it.

    (ramble off)
    M@

    --
    Krispy Cream is people
  29. Streamline the process... by telstar · · Score: 2, Redundant
    "We have been surprised to find that not a few registrants don't actually go on to download the software."
    • If you make the system requirements as clear as that sentence, I can understand why there might be a problem.


    • Seriously though ... people downloading from the web want instant gratification ... not a 2 hour delay between when they start looking for a solution, and when they actually install a potential useful tool. During that time, they're likely to move on and find another solution that will achieve the same task. Evaluation software should be just that ... an evaluation for the user. It shouldn't be treated as a way for your company to collect user-information. Nine times out of ten, they'll have no interest in the software, but if they do, you can be sure that they'll come back when the evaluation is over. If you want to collect user-information, integrate it into the application, and give the user the option. You'll be surprised how many agree to give you their information if you ask the right way.
  30. Best ways to turn me away from your software. by supabeast! · · Score: 2

    1- Do ANYTHING that prevents me from downloading, installing, and using it immediately.

    2- Require any sort of registration, especially when it requires a real email address. I don't want you to contact me, and if you don't want to contact me without approval, than you do not need my email address.

    3- Limit your more useful and necessary features. Think about it.

  31. A few hours by Peter+H.S. · · Score: 3, Interesting

    An email containing a username and password is sent to the registrant a few hours after submission.

    As so many others have mentionend, a "few hours" is a very long time. Perhaps not only because people have a short attention span, but because people, the potential costumers, are comparison shopping, and the delay meant that they went elsewere.

    I don't know what software your company is making, but lets assume it is something for the desktop user, a piece of software that may have advanteges over the competition, but nevertheless may be easely substituted with something from a competing company. Eg. a small photo editing app.

    Somewhere, a proud owner of a new digital camera, wants that kind of software; he goes searching on the web, looks at screenshoots, featurelists and prices, and decides that 3 products looks promising: two of the products are instantly downloaded and tried out, but your app, requires not only a long registration formular, but induces a surpricing two hour waiting period, in which your potential costumer, not only have tried your competitions apps, but may have actually bought them.

    Think about going down "Main Street", shopping for a pair of shoes; In one shop, when asking for trying out a pair of shoes, the expedient hands you a two page formular, asking among other things, your phone number, age and job status.
    After spending 20 minutes filling it out, you are then told to come back in a couple of hours.
    You then go elsewhere.

    Lets assume, that your software is somewhat more expensive, and not an "impulse" buy. Perhaps an unique app, that will help people design better, and faster "foo". Surely, professionals may be more patient. But no, that work dead afternoon, where you potential costumer is searching the web for tools that may make him more productive, may be followed up by 5 hectic days. So if you don't engage your potential costumer when he has time, you can loose an oppertunity.
    Same thing with the trial period; if your software cost serious money, it probably requieres several hours to test. Most professionals have way too little time at their disposal, they may only have some short timeslots availeably during a week, for testing something new. 30 days may pass quickly, so bump the trial period to 60 days (like eg. IBM does).

    In short, make your product as easely availably as possible.

  32. all the obvious by citricacid · · Score: 2, Funny
    Hmm. Well, I take it you've never sat on the monkey side of the programmer->supportmonkey flow of power.

    Here's how it goes: I sit reading Slashdot, furrowing my brow feriously. A problem arises or my boss gets a fantastically [stupid] idea. I curse the gods of mediocrity that prevent me from rising any higher in the IT field, then I bust into monkey action... I need software to get a job done, the boss refuses to pay money for the correct solution, it's time to find some evaluation crap, rig something up, and let the boss worry about it when the license expires and my rigged solution isn't legal anymore.

    1) I chart out my ideas, go over my available tools (not many, or I wouldn't be in this position), and figure out what parts I'll need from the outside.

    2) I go to the outside. Software repositories, google, a few monkey message boards, the usual.

    3) I download everything that looks close.

    4) I install each program, one by one, and try to cram it into my preplanned solution.

    5) I pick my favorites, modify my solution to their inevitable flaws (they're free = sub-perfect), and start on the three-crates-and-a-banana testing phase.

    6)I'm a monkey, so I just bang the crates into each other until the banana falls down.

    7) You e-mail the fake address I gave you back in step 3 because I'm angry and don't give a f--- about your information database.

    8) Magically, the e-mail makes it to me anyway. If it doesn't get filtered, I delete it anyhow because I'm already at least in the testing stage.

    Monkey power, baby. I'm who you're selling to. If you're going to make any money, it's because I tell the boss in a month that I refuse to let us use your tool because it's illegal. The only way I'm going to do that is if I don't hate you, and your product works.

    Making me register makes me hate you. Worse, it gives your competitors a fat lead into my mindspace; and I'm lazy, so I'm not about to change my views when you come begging.

    Monkey power.

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  33. "a few hours" is too long by Jeremi · · Score: 2
    One possible problem is that your eval-users receive their password email "a few hours" after signing up. You really should send the email immediately, so that the user can download and install the software in the same session. If I have to register, then wait for an email, that means I'm going to go on to other things in the meantime, and I may get sidetracked so that when the email finally does arrive, I no longer have the time or inclination to handle it at the moment, and so it gets forgotten.


    So, my recommendation: automate your process so that the user can download the software *immediately* (or at least, within a few minutes of completing the registration information). That should help.

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    I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
  34. Spam in e-mail or telephone form is EVIL by hendridm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > If you're serious about trying out the software and would seriously consider purchasing it, giving them an e-mail so a representative can contact you for support makes sense.

    No, it doesn't. If I'm looking for a solution, I might try a ton of demos until I find the right one. I don't want to be hounded by all of the ones I discounted as crap.

    It's like shopping at JC Penney or Sears and the salespeople hound you EVERY 3 MINUTES. Thanks, but I already know how to shop and you just turned me off to your store.

    Here's a shocking idea - How about if I need help I'll ask?

    1. Re:Spam in e-mail or telephone form is EVIL by Derek · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Here's a shocking idea - How about if I need help I'll ask?
      Agreed. Another good idea, at least if you're interested in my business, is to make your contact info easy to find. Give me a phone number for crying out loud! Answer your email! Anything! It amazes me sometimes how hard it is to find contact information for a company I might want to do business with.

      It must be that some companies don't want to see their 1-800 phone lines abused in the same way that they abuse their customers email addresses.

      -Derek

    2. Re:Spam in e-mail or telephone form is EVIL by UberLame · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "It's like shopping at JC Penney or Sears and the salespeople hound you EVERY 3 MINUTES. Thanks, but I already know how to shop and you just turned me off to your store."

      I used to hate that, but I've come to appreciate it. When they offer to help, I ask them to show me the range of items that I'm interested in, list the benefits, downsides of them, and give them a chance to try to convince me why the next model up is worth the extra money.

      I get in, I get out, and I don't have to stress myself out trying to summon the attention span to look over the shelves.

      Now if only there would be computer stores around here with people clueful enough to be helpful.

      --
      I'm a loser baby, so why don't you kill me.
    3. Re:Spam in e-mail or telephone form is EVIL by plover · · Score: 3, Insightful
      You wanna know WHY they ask you if you want help every three minutes? It has nothing to do with your prior refusal to accept their help, or anything to do with actually helping you.

      Their loss prevention staff has them offering you help so that you don't steal stuff. It reduces theft greatly to have everyone feel "noticed." And if you're not buying, you'll feel compelled to leave.

      Apparently, they lose more in theft than they do in pissed-off customers who walk out.

      --
      John
  35. It's probably been said a million times by now by Vicegrip · · Score: 2

    but I'm saying it again:

    Nothing is more irritating than having to enter an email address, username and password. I can't count the number of times I've permanently chosen the competition to a product just because they insist on getting contact information that, despite their promises, ends up getting my precious email address on "penile enlargement spammer lists".

    Symantec, Real and Mcaffee, amongst others, probably have at least two dozen or so bug@off.com email entries from me. Those three can take their crappy VBOX software that doesn't remove itself properly, doesn't document what changes it makes to the system, and stays stored and taking up place in a fairly obscure system folder and shove it.

    Enough already, gimme 90 days, if I like it, I'll buy it. Leave me the hell alone otherwise and stop trying to get free marketing information from me.

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    Do not spread "09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0" over the internet, thank you.
  36. Why I close the browser window... by travail_jgd · · Score: 2, Interesting
    1. Lack of an appropriate privacy policy or "opt-out" checkboxes for my personal information. I don't mind that your company is keeping my info, but I don't want it spreading. Unless the privacy policy has an absolute guarantee for my private information, I expect to be able to use a Yahoo or Hotmail account. (I've found places that won't accept them.)

    2. Registration. It's one thing to enter my name and email address, but I don't know if I want to create a login account to your site. Is it worth that extra step?

    3. Download speed. If my location has a decent internet connection and I'm only getting 5-10 KB/sec, then large files are out of the question. If that download is at non-peak hours (and the site isn't Slashdotted) and the download speed is still unreasonable, I'll probably try other software sources first.

    4. Free "developer" copies. Some people out there are going to call me a "Slashdot freebie-seeker", but free limited-implementation copies are to your company's advantage.

    If "developers" (including sysadmins, DBAs, and less-technical users like artists) are able to use the software at home, they're more likely to recommend it. Depending on the software, your company "loses" money in the short term, but can make it up with big contracts (assuming that's a viable sales path). Also, making the product available at the user-level helps both the publisher and job-seekers. If your software is "in demand", unemployed IT workers (like myself) can download it, become famliar, and add that skill to the resume. On the other hand, if there are significant barriers to getting and using your software -- limited time trial, overly crippled features, or requiring the purchase of a license -- you're limiting your market. The law of supply and demand kicks in: the fewer developers there are, the more they cost an employer; raising the TCO of your product is not a strong marketing point.

  37. Terms of sale can be a turn-off by atari8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There is a certain video editing application for Windows that has a feature I need (direct VOB editing), a feature that I haven't found in any other editing app, proprietary or otherwise, on any of the platforms I use (Mac OS X, Linux, Windows). I will not, however, even bother to evaluate it because the download instructions make it clear that to use it beyond the 30 days, I will have to email in a number calculated by the demo and get a registration number back (thus locking the registration to my current hardware).

    Moral of the Story: Everything counts when you make a decision to download and run a demo, even terms of sale that don't apply unless you decide to buy.

  38. What turns ME off about evaluation software by dh003i · · Score: 2

    Well, for one thing, the most important thing, is that its NOT FREE. You have to pay for it eventually.

    Another thing, is why should I spend my time working with a buggy piece of software when there's probably a better, more stable, faster, FREER alternative somewhere?

    Unless its really cool -- i.e., 3DOSX, FSV -- I don't spend time with evaluation-ware.

  39. Check out Jasc by dfenstrate · · Score: 2

    They have a great paint program that's maybe one version behind photoshop, for a fraction of the price. They let you download a fully functional (for 60 days) evaluation version of their software.
    I used their paint shop pro for the full 60 days for incidental work i had to do- and when the day came I really needed Photo software, I found the evaluation had expired.

    I'm sure I could have found a hack, but by that time I had decided it was worth the money, so I went down to staples and bought the well-documented retail box version. Had they implented any "features" along the way that had interefered with a good, long eval period, I probably would have looked elsewhere.

    SO here's jascs formula:
    1. Make good software.
    2. Make a fully featured but Generously time limited evaluation version available for No-Hassle download.
    3. Wait and get the money from hooked & happy customers.

    By the way, the boxed set was cheaper to buy at $80 (Staples) than to download from Jasc ($99) or order from jasc ($109)

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    Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a store, not a government agency.
  40. If you have sold software before... by stienman · · Score: 2

    If you have sold software before then you know how much it's going to sell. Providing a trial period is good, and those that need the software will try it and buy it.

    If I'm looking for a piece of software that I don't know where to get, however, it usually means that I need it for some short term use now and not an hour from now, nor am I willing to give out my email for something I may never use again by someone I don't want to hear from.

    You have set some fairly low jumps in the path of users who want to use your product. If you are aiming for customers who need your product and are willing to pay for it, then those jumps are not large. If you want everyone who sees your site to download your trialware, then you'd better eliminate those jumps.

    You could do so by giving people a choice. Instead of saying, "If you want to use our software without paying, you must do steps one two and three." you could say something like, "We want to get our software into your hands. We know you'll find it useful. You can download the slightly crippled, time limited version right now and start using it immediately, or you can download the full version that's limited to a longer period of time if you register with your email address. The registration key will be sent immediately, and you should be able to use your software in under ten minutes (unless you use AOL - their mail sucks - it could take ten hours)."

    The cold hard reality is that your software is going to be used without people paying for it. You can put jumps in the way that are annoying, but it's up to you to find the right balance of annoyance versus purchases. The more annoying the trialware is, the less likely I'll get it even if it's better than a less annoying piece of software (that may even cost more)

    Clickbook is an example of this. I would like to have a product like clickbook, but their particular cripple scheme (last I tried it) was so absurdly annoying to me personally that I couldn't bring myself to pay for what appeared to be a decent product. It was like they wrapped it in a cardboard box and left it out on the sidwalk for me to use - only it was chained to the sidewalk and I had to sign away some info to bring it and the sidewalk home so I could try it out.

    You want to have your product seen in the best light possible. That means some may walk away without paying. The balance is non-trivial, and it is a business decision - not one which should be made up by a discussion list like this one.

    But it's your business - you get to gamble. Enjoy it while it lasts!

    -Adam

  41. Show Me The Money by Rayonic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The one thing that stops me from registering any shareware (apps or games) is the price. I don't wanna flame, but I thought the whole fscking point of cutting out the middleman was to lower the price of your software, while keeping a larger amount for yourself.

    Case in point: Avernum. They've been going some good advertising for that game, and I'm really interested, but there's no way I'm going to pay 25 bucks for it when I see games RETAILING on store shelves for $10 to $20 all the time. And $40 for Opera? Yeesh. Blah blah I'm a cheap bastard yadda yadda, but I still wanna know where all that purchase price is going if there's no big monolithic publisher involved. Nobody's buying? Try lowering your price to increase volume. I know I'd pay five bucks for either of these programs right now if I could. But no, they have to play hard-to-get. Well fine, two can play at that game.

    1. Re:Show Me The Money by elflord · · Score: 2
      "From each according to his abilities to each according to his needs." They have the ability to write the software and I need it.

      So tell us, when are you planning to move to a country who practices such a philosophy ?

  42. Agree with unrestricted download, fast key gen by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A lot of people seem to be harping about registering to download something.

    When I eval stuff for work (software developer), I don't mind at all registering my work info. It's the same way with conferences - I'm happy to give out my info.

    Why? In general I find that companies trying to sell to other companies are not nearly as bad about spam as Fred's House 'O Cheap DVD's. Besides, it's my work mail account - who cares what happens to that.

    So registration is not the problem as I see it. As others have said, you need to let the users download it whenever they like - look at just about any big chunck of enterprise software, they all have full versions you can DL. Then you need to send out a key, pronto! And make it easy. I've seen plenty of software where I downloaded it by then by the time I got the key I was doing something else and forgot the whole thing, or the key was such a PITA to get I just dropped the whole thing.

    If you are worried about someone downloading it and making copies - fold up shop and shut down the company. You're going to be dissapointed if you expect anything less than everyone on earth having a fully enabled copy hours after the first regitsered user fires it up. Learn to live with that, then charge a fair price and people WILL pay you - remember, it's not even thier own money they are using so they are probably included to give you some! Plus, companies like nothing more than paying for support contracts even when they are not needed.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  43. What turns me off? by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Number 1: It's been said time and again, but registration. There are a million reasons why a company wants to have this, and I see these posts from people saying that I have no position to compain. I have EVERY reason to compain. I am a potential customer. And I don't want you to know anything about me until I buy your software. That's what I would prefer.

    If I'm made to type in an e-mail address to download, I type in a bogus address. If I need to get a key or anything else from my e-mail, I've just been sent the message that the software company does'nt want my business. This has happened more then once, and I've gone somewhere else. If I like your software, and I give you my or my companies credit card number, you get to know who I am. Not before.

    2. Full featured software. If I bother to download your evaulation, I expect to be able to use it. When I can't save my work, or find that an important feature is turned off, or I have some stupid 10 minut time limit, the software gets deleted.

    3. Installation. I can tell right away how much I'd like or not like a peice of software by installation. Paste icons all over my desktop without asking? You've annoyed me. Put yourself in my startup, even though it's not needed? You're gone. Bundle yourself with spyware? You're gone.

    4. Remind me, clearly, when the evaulation period is getting to the end. 'You have 5 days left in your evaulation period' when I start the program up. I can think of many times when I've found a peice of software I like, forget to purchase it, forget to get approval for the purchase. I find another way to get something done, and I'll just forget about it. If I were a more orginized person, I'd keep tabs of those things, but I'm not.

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    The Internet is generally stupid
  44. Re:Why we ask you to fill out a form by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, there are many who enter garbage in all the fields. And yes, there are those who use the obvious throw-away email addresses. But we assume them to be not very serious prospective customers.

    I can personally attest to over a dozen peices of software I've purchased after entering a bogus e-mail address.

    I don't know what software you sell, but if I was shopping for an application you sell, and your marketing people wanted to know this 'golden' information why I went with a competitor, it's because you wanted to make me jump through hoops I did'nt want to jump through just to see if your stuff was any good.

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  45. Registering and not downloading by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 2

    In your setup where I have to register and wait for a username/password to be e-mailed to me before I can download the software, the usual reason I never download it is that I had to wait for the username/password to be e-mailed to me. There's always some lag, from a few minutes to a day, and even if it's just a few minutes I can't sit there fetching and refetching my mail until the message arrives. So instead I go off to do other things until one of my hourly mail runs picks up the message and I check my inbox and notice it. The problem is I usually notice it in the middle of the workday, and I've got Yet Another Bug to fix right now, so I file the message in a folder to get to later. By the time I get free time, I've forgotten about it. I'll notice it when I do my daily check of things I have to deal with, but if it's not high-priority that I get that piece of software up and running (and eval software is rarely high priority) then I'll put it off again, and probably forget about it again. Usually by the time I get around to going back for the download, the username has expired and I can't get at the software. At which point I shrug and go on to one of the fifteen other jobs in my inbox.

    If you want people to get the software, make it downloadable now. Mail them a key to activate it if you have to, but let them get the package when they're at your site and ready to get it.

    Oh, and as for thinking that people who put in bogus e-mail addresses aren't good prospects, let me give you a clue: anybody who has any idea what they're doing these days never gives out their real e-mail address to anybody until they know who they're dealing with and are ready to buy from them. You're filing your most technically competent prospects, the ones who'll be making the recommendations to the CTOs about which products will actually do what they want, in the "bad prospect" file.

  46. A few hours is WAY too long by Skapare · · Score: 2

    With a few hours delay, you lose a customer. If you competitor gets an eval that works in front of the customer first, and they are hurried to make a decision and buy now, you lose. Even if not that, the mere fact there is a delay in getting a simple username/password out by email gives a perception that technical support is going to suck really bad. Again, you lose.

    Prime mission numero uno is to get rid of that few hours delay. Generate that username and password immediately, and mail it out right now. Accept no excuses from the programming people. If the product is any good, they can make a simple username/password mailback script.

    A lot of other people have given good advice about making a better impression on the customer, but clearly if they have already given you their email, they were good to go this far. You lost them somewhere between giving the email address and mailing back the password. A few hours is a long time to wait and a big opportunity to lose a customer. Fix the long wait and don't make any excuses for it. And make sure much of the other advice is followed to help increase your responses. Make sure you a very clear about your policy on handling the email address. If you want to use it for mailing anything more than the username/password it is submitted for, given them the opportunity to OPT-IN to get announcements, separately for this product, and other products. And promise clearly on the web site to never give the email to any other business, not even partners.

    And make sure your mail server hasn't been blacklisted for spam. if your company did any mass mailings of anything beyond an opt-IN mailing list, it probably did get blacklisted. See, doing that means you lose customers.

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    now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
  47. Absurd lie. by jonnythan · · Score: 2

    Did you go to the site?

    Did you click the download link?

    I was able to download several ports of this project with one click.

  48. Why I avoid evaluation software by Naum · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I loathe any evaluation type software, especially that which has some timer/trial date period before it forces you to register/buy the product. And I especially detest it when it embeds itself into the registry (specifically speaking of Windows platforms) and even after uninstalling, it still isn't completely wiped off my HD. It still shows but yet when I try to remove programs/uninstall, I get an error message ...

    Some tips for aspiring developers to break free of the not-so-surprising (at least to me) pattern of timid experimenters and reluctant trial end users.

    1. How about producing a demo version instead of an evaluation copy. The evaluation copy scheme is a leftover from older times of computing where a software manufacturer could get themselves "in the door" and etch out a niche supplying needed functionality. It's a new century now, there's a world wide web full of alternative products, and as most of the useability studies indicate, people won't hesitate to hit the back button or shelve a download that they're unsure of. A demo, on the other hand, is a stand alone, scaled down version of the product - it may be gimped in terms of complete functionality, options customization, advanced features, etc. but at least it presents to the user what the product looks like, what it does (and can potentially do) and gets the user acquainted with the UI look and feel. For successful examples, look no further than recent game releases - a Freedom Force demo where you get 2 single player campaigns and a taste of the character customization palette. It, no doubt, endeared many subsequent customers that went ahead with a new game purchase.

    2. Having to register and supply boat loads of required personal information for a trial version is a big turnoff for many. Scale back the information collecting field requirements - some information may be necessary to track who, what, and why, but if most people won't even register their software, what makes software creators believe that they're more than willing to bend over backwards in acquiescing personal data?

    3. I feel firms would be better served by diverting resources unto building interactive communities centered on the public use of the product. Yes, I realize the scourge of piracy and stolen software, but let's face it - the best sort of advertising is word of mouth or the testimonials of real, honest users whose feedback will continue to improve and enhance the product. I find it appalling that companies are still locked into this "shrink-wrap-now-were-done" mentality. Market forces will conspire and leave those entrepreneurs in the dust.
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  49. Rule 1: Evaluation Software != Free Software by serutan · · Score: 2

    An important point often missed by distributors of evaluation software is that it is NOT the same as FREE software, and should not be promoted as such. Tang is not orange juice. A free copy of crippleware or expireware is not the same as freeware.

    I have no problem with people not giving away software for free, but I have a big problem with them pretending they are, just to get their foot in my door. In my mind it's in the same league as telemarketers who start out telling you they are conducting a survey. I have bought plenty of software after downloading the eval version, but NEVER after being tricked into downloading the eval copy in the guise of freeware.

  50. What Turns Me Off About Evaluation Software? by Robber+Baron · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Having to hunt around on the 'net for a crack! Seriously, if it's worth having, I will buy it, as long as doing so is easier than obtaining a cracked version...so make that part as painless as possible and we'll get along just fine.

    Filling out those "forms" doesn't really bug me too much (except that bloody CNET wants us to fill out bloody forms now just to download freeware!), as I fill them all out pretty much the same:

    Name: Homer Simpson
    Address: 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, Washington DC.
    Country: Azerbajan
    Zip: 90210
    Year of birth: 1900

    ...and so on. You get the idea.

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  51. Few items i find bugging. by rasjani · · Score: 2
    Major downers for eval software in my list are:
    • - Registeration.
      • Not once or twice i've evaluated software and had to give up basicly everything including my soul and years after, i still receive phonecalls and spam from companies/products that where utterly useless in same way or another.. I just bloody hate that! Not to mention long delays on receiving valid activation keys.
    • 30 days period.
      • I work in quite busy field and my time is just too damn tight. I might have a change to install something, even browse some docs but i wont be a suprise if someone comes by and orders me to do something else when that happens often .. 30 day limit aint going help jackshit when reviewing something for serious use..
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  52. yeah yeah by streetlawyer · · Score: 2
    So you're using Delphi Personal Edition and Kylix as examples of software that people don't bother to download?

    Are you planning a visit to the planet Earth any time soon?

  53. Simple - "An email" and "a few hours" by gagravarr · · Score: 2

    You said "An email containing a username and password is sent to the registrant a few hours after submission". The combination of these is your problem in my book.

    If I have to get sent an email with a download location, it annoys me. I want to download it then and there, not 6 hours later. Also, if I try to download it on a friday, so I can take it home to play with on the weekend, not having the URL appear for a few hours really annoys me.

    I'd suggest ditching the emailing of the download url. If you must email something, email the registration key, and do it right away (like Real do for their server evaluations). That way, users can get the file then and there, and have their licence key arrive by email by the time the download has finished.

    Oh, and warn them when they're entering their email address that they'll need to get sent a license key via email. It'll reduce the number of times Bill Gates (billg@microsoft.com) downloads your software if people realise they really do need you guys to have their email address, as opposed to just an email address!

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  54. Very Little, relatively speaking. by Domini · · Score: 2

    All in all, I've bought Opera, Forte Agent, Windows Commander, VMWare and Eudora.

    They were hellishly expensive, but they beat the crap out of any other products that are free.

    The ADS and pop-ups don't bother me, I bought them because they deserved it!

    Whereas what bothers me about the totally free products: They don't quite seem to be mature, stable, reliable, fast.

    I don't like the presumption of this article to force the opinion that Evaluation is bad. Please phrase the article to actually draw prositive responses as well.

    Tut. Tut.

  55. Registration/password should be instant! by aquarian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You'd think people in the business of writing software would be able to figure out how to generate a key and password and send it to you instantly.

  56. How to manage evaluations versions by lfourrier · · Score: 2, Funny

    First, 30 days is ways too short for a big company to efficiently evaluate a product.

    So, the method:
    1.go to yahoo
    2.create an email account
    3.note it on a post-it
    4.go fill the form
    5.download the software
    6.receive your key on yahoo
    7.trash the post-it

    after the (short) evaluation period:
    steps 1. 2. 3. 4. 6 and 7. from previous method
    -> no download

    CQFD

  57. Re:schyzofreny by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 2

    Actually, it's just that if I decide that I don't like the software, I'm likely not going to have the time to explain 'why' to somebody. If I'm not sigining up for a beta, I expect the useage of eval software to be utterly anonymous; I'm the one evaluating it, if I decide not to use it, I'm the one who should decide if it's worth my time to tell you guys. You don't need to contact me, you don't need to know I tried your stuff.

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  58. Re:Why we ask you to fill out a form by RedWizzard · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Yes, there are many who enter garbage in all the fields. And yes, there are those who use the obvious throw-away email addresses. But we assume them to be not very serious prospective customers. Conversely, there are those who enter very accurate information, and we assume them to be much better sales prospects.
    I don't know you. I don't trust you. The fact that I will not give you my contact details has no bearing on the likelihood that I will buy your software. The fact that you expect me to give you that information does.
    In the end, I acquiesced, reasoning that they are getting something for free, so they should be willing to give up something.
    That attitude is why you will never sell me your software. I'm not getting something for free - I'm giving you the opportunity to sell me your software. Why should I give you valuable information up front as well? You seem to have forgotten who is serving who here.
    But being tuned in to peoples' concerns about spam, I thought it was absolutely essential that we be very honest about how their email address would be used.
    Since I don't know or trust you why would anything you say re how you'll use my personal information have any weight with me? Especially when I can avoid the whole problem by not giving you that info in the first place?
  59. I'm guilty of this by HydroCarbon10 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Whenever I go to the point of registering as if I were planning on buying or trying a piece of software and yet I don't actually carry through it means that the vendor didn't have all the information I needed available on the website. Quite often I'll register with a fake email address to check and see what the pricing schemes look like, what it will cost to ship a product, or just to see if I can glean any extra information from the website after registering.

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  60. Redundancy by mrfiddlehead · · Score: 2, Funny

    Okay, okay, okay. We all know that registration and giving out your goddamn email address turns all of you /.er's off. But, for companies pursuing this type of distribution model, /. is probably the very last place you should ask about this -- unless you're trying to sell software to cheap bastards who expect everything for free but, most of whom, give back abso-fucking-lutely nothing, to keep track of their warez.
    </rant>

    BTW, if you expect users to wait for a login to arrive in their email, then you shouldn't be surprised that many of them don't bother with the download. And, on top of that, you shouldn't be surprised to discover that, of those who do download the software, a good portion will not bother installing it anyway (it's free! I'll download it! Done. Aw fuckit).

    As an 'about to give up' shareware programmer I'd say forget about the free downloads. Make 'em pay up front and you'll know that they'll install it. Offer them an MONEY BACK GUARENTEE and have one of 'dem statistical accountancy types figure out how much will actually be reclaimed.

    What really burns my ass, as a shareware programmer (who also does open source linux kernel programming BTW), is the fucking attitude of these cheap bastard /. types who send me email, critisize my placement of a button in a dialog box, demand a never ending stream of features and then bitch about the fact that it's shareware. I'd be a fucking millionaire if I had a dollar for every time I heard one of these cheap bastards say, "add this feature and I'll register your software, otherwise forget it". This is why your business model will never work. When I started the business as shareware, I and other shareware programmers, thought we were being altruistic by offering the ability to try before you buy (I started doing this in the late 80's under Windoze 3.1).

    Well, good luck, and a big FUCK YOU to all the cheap bastards.

    A little late in the process, but MOD ME UP ya bunch of cheap bastards.

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    1. Re:Redundancy by MikeBabcock · · Score: 2

      Its the wait -- if its taking a couple hours, they've probably found a competitor's software and purchased it online in the time your password was being generated for them ...

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      - Michael T. Babcock (Yes, I blog)
  61. Dear Slashdot by JayFlatland · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How can I sell more products? Why are my customers fleeing before they ever use my product? Can you please get your enormous crowd of readers to tell me how I can sell more products to them?

    I wonder what the responses to this question would be worth to a marketing department...

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  62. A few HOURS!??! by AssetYoYo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > username and password is sent to the registrant a few hours after submission

    If I have an immediate need for software, I'm not going to wait a few hours. I'll have found your competitor's software by that time. If it's not available now, it's not available. Get real!

  63. Business reasons ... personal reasons by jolshefsky · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Well, without context of business purchases or personal purchases, here goes both:

    For business, the reasons are numerous. First, we can only buy from certain vendors easily. I would really like to get Jasc's Image Robot [I hope this isn't accidentally your company] but our vendor doesn't stock it so I'll do without until I can complain in an I-told-you-so manner that I love so much ... oops ... too much information, eh?

    Second, I often find that I can't demonstrate the workflow I'm trying to prove with the demo. Sometimes this is a problem with crippleware and sometimes with it being hard to implement. Image Robot, for instance, looks like it'll do what I need but I haven't bothered to implement a full flow because it would be hard.

    Third and so on--things other people have already mentioned. Changing priorities and the like, loss of interest, loss of job, etc.

    As for software for personal use:

    First, the off-the-cuff cost-benefit analysis is very important. Often I'll want a piece of software for just one little thing so even $30 might be too high for that purpose. Similarly I may only need it once.

    Second, time and interest change. I may have enough time to download and install some demo, but I might not ever get back to checking it. If I go to run it and it's expired, oh well. Sometimes I just lose interest too.

    I've got another specific example--Ultralingua Collegiate Dictionary I want an electronic dictionary to give me all the features I already have in American Heritage but will run on OSX [there, I let the cat out of the bag ... I'm a Mac guy.] I already own American Heritage and really love the Word Hunter [definition searching utility] feature. Ultralingua, while slick, fast, and OSX-aware doesn't do that so I'm just not interested. I'll wait for Houghton Mifflin to pop out another version and buy that. So ... I downloaded the demo and didn't buy the product.

    Finally, and in both personal and business, software with bugs will stop me from buying. It's very odd ... if you are kind enough to allow people to try-before-buying, they'll be critical of crashes and bugs that they'd just begrudgingly work around if they just bought the stupid software without trying it. The trick is that you never release a beta as a demo. Betas are betas and should be full-blown and come with a big benefit to the user for being your tester. Demos are bug-free and designed to say that you're a competent company. Nobody likes testing software for nothing ... just ask any Windows user ;-) [ok, ok ... or Mac user or Palm user or anything user]

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    --- Jason Olshefsky

    Karma: Poser (mostly affected by adding this line long after everyone else did)

  64. "After a few hours" by magic · · Score: 2
    If I can't download something immediately, that's a big black mark against the product I'm evaluating. Let me download it right away, without telling you my e-mail address. "Don't call me-- I'll call you."


    -m

  65. Radio Shack by rcw-home · · Score: 2
    or Radio Shack and their need for my address and phone number when I buy a pack of batteries

    Try this, it works beautifully:

    Cashier: ...And can I have your last name please?
    You: No.

    See how easy that is? Even if you need to pay with a check or card, if you don't want them to put your name in their database, they'll respect that.

    1. Re:Radio Shack by Carnivore · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's actually better for the ShackDrone if you just give them fake info. The are rated by the percent of purchases for which they get a name/address combo, but the names/addresses aren't checked.

      One of my friends, as a joke, made the person 'Fag Ass' for one of my other friends. Prints on the recipt. Ha Ha. The next time someone didn't give his name, my friend just hit 'a', and lo and behold 'Ass, Fag' came up. He did this for a while and got a commendation for 100% name/address ratio, then he got fired when a bigwig noticed the name.

  66. 30 days not nearly long enough by swb · · Score: 2

    I don't know if the article subject's software is consumer, professional, complex, etc but 30 days sounds like just barely long enough for even many consumer evaluation scenarios, and not nearly long enough for significant business evaluation.

    Unless software evaluation is part of both your job description and part of your performance review process, it is dead last on the list of things to do.

    Which means in my typical week I might be able to fit in maybe 4 hours of evaluation time. In 30 calendar days that's maybe the equivilent of about 10 serious hours looking at something. It could be more or less depending on need and time, but it doesn't feel like very much, especially if the package is very complex and requires either a lot of learning, configuration, long run time or extensive usage to properly evaluate it. And this isn't even counting actually testing the thing in some formal manner.

    90 days sounds much, much more realistic and I would hope that with proper contacts that an open-ended evaluation might be possible as well.

    Think for example of an SNMP package -- configuration and info gathering could take a long time. Analysis of what it does is time-based -- you need to run the thing for a month to gather enough data to see if the package is telling you anything meaningful. This whole process could take 2 months, longer if the evaluation and usage takes multiple people.

  67. This just happened with my employer by cecil36 · · Score: 2

    Just this past week, we replaced our "freeware" product with a 30-day demo. The key reason for this decision is that the 30-day demo comes with full support. The freeware version did not come with full support in case something in the software blew up during normal usage. This was a blessing for the technicians who provided the support because too much time was being spent on the phone with the "freeloaders" in giving them the support which was not granted to them.

    1. Re:This just happened with my employer by M-G · · Score: 2

      Hell, we don't even do a instant download. The customer fills out the form with the preliminary info, then sales gets more details as necessary. We've got a complex product, and we want to make sure the people looking at it have the necessary skills to make it work. If they can't get it working, they're sure not going to buy it.

      The important part here is that evaluators get full technical support. In fact, the bulk of our tech support goes to evals, since they're just getting their feet wet with the software. So we help them as needed to get it running properly. This also makes the potential customer realize how good our support is, which always makes them feel more comfortable about buying. So fill-out-the-form-and-download-the-software doesn't fit well with this.

      Further, it's worth mentioning that this is enterprise level software. Most of the other posts on this topic seem to be viewing this subject from the standpoint of low cost, end-user desktop applications.

      Yeah, we see fake info in the form on our web site, usually from people who think they'll be able to download the trial after filling out the form. Most of these people probably aren't qualified to implement the product anyway, and/or don't have the money to buy it. Any company looking at it needs to have the resources in place to implement the project, and isn't going to be too worried about filling out the form.

  68. Why I don't bother by dcavanaugh · · Score: 2

    (1) Most trial packages will install cleanly, but uninstall is often a nightmare. This is a bigger issue with Windows that other operating systems, but uninstalls are never to be taken lightly.

    (2) The stability of Windows is inversely proportional to the number of packages installed. Uninstalling doesn't help the stability issue.

    (3) Some of the setup procedures prompt for way too much personal contact information. The last thing I want is to get plugged into someone's perpetual telemarketing machine. I have seen this happen often enough to the point where I don't bother with trial versions of software.

    (4) I have seen too many examples of trial versions that had undocumented limitations in a addition to the 30-day limit.

    (5) Since you only get 30 days, it makes sense to wait until you actually have time to evaluate the package. If I install the software and then get busy with other things, the 30 days runs out, and I still get stuck with the problems as noted in (1) and (2) above.

    (6) For any given application, I look for open source software first. I can evaluate indefinitely. If it's lousy I throw it away. If it works I keep it running. Either way, I pay nothing and there are no annoying telemarketing salesmen to deal with!

  69. What are the conditions, and when do you discover by HiThere · · Score: 2

    What are the conditions under which the evaluation software is released, and when do you discover what they are?

    Frequently I find that I get all to way to reading the license before I decide not to download something. Sometimes it's because the demo seems too crippled to be useful. Sometimes it's because the evaluation time is too short. I don't spend my days evaluating your software. A 30 day evaluation license can easily turn into a few hours to evaluate something. And it depends on what the software is. Some software is only useful at certain times.

    If the software won't let me save files, then it must be something that I can thoroughly evaluate in one session. If it features reports, then it had better be able to generate the reports (nothing wrong with an "Evaluation Use Only" in large skeletal letters being embedded in the background, though).

    Too often the demo-ware is so crippled that it's useless for all purposes. I frequently won't even install it from CDs that came with my system. Not because I know that it's bad, but because such a large percentage of the demoware that I've installed has been so much worse than useless. But I do still go looking.

    Another thing that can happen is that the price is hidden until the very last minute. That can easily cause me to just abandon processing, but I can easily imagine someone who felt angrier filling in bogus information. (Note I said angrier. I am always at least irritated at companies that make you jump through hoops to find out what their prices are.)

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  70. Can't, not won't or don't by r_j_prahad · · Score: 2

    I'm one of those who registers for evaluation downloads fairly regularly, but never get the software. Why? Because of our company's firewall policies, that's why. No FTP. If you want me to download your stuff after I register, make sure I have a choice of both FTP and HTTP downloads. If you're not bright enough to do that much, then your software probably isn't too good and I won't bemoan the fact that I didn't get to try it out.

    The funniest thing, is I can't even download a new version of our firewall software because their default settings block me out of their FTP site. Morons.

  71. In real life... by PapaZit · · Score: 2

    I'm frequently asked to look at and evaluate various pieces of software. Usually, this is in preparation for organization-wide deployment and support.

    However, <em>that's not my job</em>. It's a tiny little part of it. The server's broken, a user needs to have his machine fixed, and I need to evaluate your software. Guess which one goes to the bottom of my priority list.

    When I actually have time to do evaluations, I work on two levels at once. I'm busy reading trade magazines, web sites, and usenet to <em>find</em> products, and as soon as I find one, I download it. I usually get an hour or two at a time to do this before something else grabs my attention, so unless your key arrives within 5 minutes, I've found another product to download and test. I don't get back to the evals for days at a time. If your registration process made me wait for more than a few minutes, I figure that I can wait a while to test the product, so it could be a few weeks before I finish gathering all of your competitors' products to testing and deploying yours.

    If one of your fucking salesweasels has the nerve to call me the next day, you go to the bottom of the list. I'll happily tell the weasels that by making me wait for a registration key, they made me put off testing your product for a few weeks. If you call again, I mention that we include "harassing sales calls" in the "Service and Support" part of the evaluation, and every sales call reduces that company's score.

    Test time. I have to dig through my email to find the key. Great. It's a 30 day key, and I downloaded your stuff 25 days ago. It'd better wow me in the next hour, since I probably won't have time for another look before the key expires. If I've heard so much as a peep from your sales people (i.e. the usual every-other-day "Didja try it yet? Do you like it? Huh? Huh?" bit), I'm not going to call and ask for a new key. I'm going to give it a zero for functionality ("Can't test it. Bad key.")and give your company a zero for service and support (for annoying me) and encourage my boss to go with a less annoying competitor.

    Want to impress me? Do the following:

    -Don't make me wait for a key

    -If you must make me wait, give me a reasonably long time to test. Go ahead and lock the product to my domain or a small number of users if you want. Use the wait time to give me a custom demo copy.

    -In your registration form, provide a "have one of your sales associates give me a call" checkbox, and <em>honor it</em>.

    -Send follow-up literature by mail, and <em>make it useful</em>. I have half an hour to read it (well, I'll go back and read all of it if you're one of our top choices, but until then...). Glossy pictures of somebody else's server room and more than one buzzword per sentence won't impress me. Specs, limitations, and pricing will. Understand that in some organizations, the managers actually listen to the techies.

    -Ask when we plan on deploying. If the answer is 6+ months, don't call me next week asking what I thought of your product. Call me in 3 months and ask if I had any problems.

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  72. Eval Turn-Offs by Outland+Traveller · · Score: 2

    This might be a redundant post, but I don't think the point can be made clearly enough:

    As an developer and an IT professional who evaluates plenty of software each year for purchase, my biggest turn-off is companies that force you to register your name, company info, email address, and get a username/password etc simply to download some lime-limited evaluation copy.

    I very much dislike giving out personal information. I also dislike having to spend the time to fill out forms that violate my privacy. Finally, I dislike being burdened with YET ANOTHER username/password pair that I will never remember.

    I never give accurate information on these forms, and the email address I use is always a one-off throw-away account.

    Unless the product is obviously compelling, I don't bother with it if there is some awful registration process like the above. Even if the product is obviously compelling, I will check out all the competitors that don't have an annoying registration evaluation process first.

    I have even recommended products for purchase (that were for our purposes equally good) based on whether or not they had an annoyed registration process for the eval software.

    -OT

  73. Generalize from this sample of one by hndrcks · · Score: 2

    I can't speak for others, but this is probably why I didn't download your software:

    1. User comes to IS (me) and asks for software that does whatever. They ususally need it yesterday.

    2. I search Google, Dave Central maybe, relevant newsgroups, talk to peers, look at reviews if they are available.

    3. I register for eval copies of software (maybe yours) and download what I can.

    4. I look them over with users, decide one is good enough, purchase a copy of software, go on to other tasks.

    5. I get email from your company with user/pass for evaluation.

    Yes, when it is non-mission-critical stuff, decisions may be made that quickly.

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  74. Why I won't d/l it by gordguide · · Score: 2

    Many have mentioned the major, obvious problem with demoware. If you can find a fix for them, you will be miles ahead of the competition, namely:

    30 days is not enough time (I do use my computer for other things, you know).

    Uninstall is a nightmare. It should be seamless and leave no traces at all. No, not even a file that says I d/l'ed a demo once. If I feel I have to reinstall to evaluate 30 more days, you shouldn't stop me.

    Give me a save-disabled demo and I will give you an install-disabled customer. Nice try, see ya later.

    One problem for me, that I haven't seen mentioned yet, is what do you do with the files you created? A lot of SW appropriate for a demo is complicated and if it has any power at all, hopefully you will create something useful with it. Then what?

    I would like it if after the demo expired, I could still somehow use a file I created. Why would I use "real" data to generate a file that can't be opened ever again?

    Now, you may think that's stupid, that you have no intention of allowing users to use your demo product to create a file that can be viewed (but not modified) or exported after the demo expires.

    But, I can assure you that an orphaned file demo guarantees I won't even attempt to explore your product's features. It may be the greatest thing around, but I'm never going deep enough to find out, and you will have lost a sale to a customer who needs your stuff but doesn't know it.

    I think it's also important to realise what the process involves. You have me interested enough to jump through a few hoops. Anybody in sales & marketing will tell you that it's very expensive to get there with a customer.

    Now (after I agree to a trial), I have a real-world experience with your product and your company. What happens next determines whether the sale goes through or you have to spend the major portion of your marketing budget to get to the same place with another customer. So work with me on this, okay?

    If the bean counters balk at that much power in your demos, you should consider offering a working previous version to evaluators, or offer a "lite" version. If I can use it, I will upgrade sooner or later, and your installed base grows. Last time I checked, that's the secret to getting market dominance.

  75. Response to Above by Rayonic · · Score: 2

    "When I eval stuff for work (software developer), I don't mind at all registering my work info. It's the same way with conferences - I'm happy to give out my info."

    Good point, I wouldn't mind giving out your work info either. So, what was that e-mail addess?

  76. copy Rhino's demo program by jmichaelg · · Score: 2

    I'm looking at CAD and milling software right now. I've looked at a variety of software and have settled on what CAD software I want but I'm still uncertain about the milling software. The reason has everything to do with the nature of what I've downloaded so far.

    Rhino's CAD software comes fully functional for 25 saves. That is, it does absolutely everything the purchased software does but you're limited to 25 saves. You can check out how every function works, find the bugs and see if there's a reasonable work around and in general, have an excellent idea of whether or not the software does what you need it to do. Rhino's a definite buy for me.

    Contrast that to the milling software. Now I have my sample Rhino file and I want to feed it to the milling software. How easy is it to do that, how good is the cnc code coming out the other end? I don't know. Every single piece of milling demo software I've found so far either turns out to be a quicktime movie showing me how they intend it to be used or the software is limited to using some demo files they've provided. That's worth squat as a demo. It doesn't tell me if the software will work the way I want it to work or if there are show stopper bugs in the feature sets I'm likely to use. I don't for a second doubt that the demo's will be gee-whiz, whiz-bang, ain't-it-cool. But what I really want to know is will it really work?

    I'm not too eager to lay out $500-1000 for software that the developer isn't comfortable letting me test-drive at 90 mph on 45 mph curves.

    So want a successful demo program? Copy Rhino's.

  77. Registration bad! instant gratification good! by zerofoo · · Score: 2

    Why oh why do I need to register with anyone to EVALUATE software? When I am evaluating software, I am usually evaluating between 5 and 10 software packages at a time. I end up only purchasing ONE. Why do the other 9 companies need to have my info? If I didn't want their product, why would I want them contacting me in the future?

    By the way, hours in internet time is like decades in real time. Your e-mail responses should go out within 2 minutes.

    -ted

  78. a few *hours*? by spasm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "An email containing a username and password is sent to the registrant a few hours after submission" [emphasis added]

    Unless what you're selling is the one and only tool on the market which does the job it does, in "a few hours" I've found three other products which do what your thing does and I'm busily evaluating them instead. And one of them did the job I need it to. And I've forgotten you even exist.

    Unless you really do have a stranglehold on a niche, go have a look around at how your competition deal with evaluation downloads. If some of them are making it even one step eaiser to test their junk, you can bet you're losing sales to them.

  79. Failing Math by virg_mattes · · Score: 2

    I bet the reason you failed math is that you couldn't tell the difference between math and logic. 8)

    Virg

  80. alias to /dev/null by Deven · · Score: 2

    Anyone out there have a hack for sendmail that will simply blackhole mail bound for a given address? Just drop the connection when the offending RCPT command is received?

    If you want to key on sender address or domain, the "access" database can contain a REJECT or DISCARD entry. (With DISCARD, it will seem to be accepted but get silently discarded.)

    To blackhole all inbound email to a given address, the simplest solution is simply to alias that address to "/dev/null". If it starts with a "/", sendmail will use the *file* mailer, which will append the message to the file like it does with a normal Unix mailbox. Of course, with /dev/null as the pathname of the mailbox...

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    Deven

    "Simple things should be simple, and complex things should be possible." - Alan Kay

  81. Radio Shack by jmorris42 · · Score: 2

    Yes it is annoying, even when I worked for em a year or so. But in their defense I will say that they have never abused their database. They tell you they collect it to send out the monthly flyer and that is all they ever do with it.

    Too many companies think, well this guy wandered by my website/visited my store, etc. and was stupid enough to leave contact info so we now have permission to spam him silly for eternity. And screw honoring requests to stop.

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    Democrat delenda est
  82. You Sell EvalWare? by virg_mattes · · Score: 2

    Good! Listen up, then, and you'll learn something here.

    1.) Personal Data: As was said so eloquently above, I neither know nor trust you. I don't have any real reason to believe you'll keep my email address private, even if you say you will. If your software requires a key code to run, and I have to give you an address to get it, I'll move on to the next package. If and when I decide to buy it, I'll give you my information.

    2.) Time: If you think the time necessary to fill out the form is the important part, you're wrong. First is trust (see #1 above), and second is response time. If for some reason I assume your product is worth downloading, but I can't make it run immediately to see if it suits, I'll find another that will. I rarely have time to put any package to an exhaustive test period, and mostly I get these sorts of programs because I need a specific problem solved in short order. If your package can't demonstrate its utility in this regard within my time frame, I'm off to the next.

    3.) Profitability: I don't have time to care if you think licensing is the only way to make money. If you think that way, then don't do eval packages. I care only that your software can (or cannot) solve the problem for which I sought it out. That's the real world. If your package does what I need, and does it well enough that it's better than the alternatives, you'll get a check. If it's not around in a year, then that's your software's problem. If you think that fully functional shareware can't make money, I point out that PKWare built a business on it. I like it, I use it, so I bought it. I didn't have to pay, since the shareware version is fully functional and never expires, but since it's better than the alternatives and does what I need it to do, they got a check.

    Do the same and you'll get paid. Welcome to the real world.

    Virg

  83. One last thing... by Angst+Badger · · Score: 2
    This isn't directly related to evaluation software as such, but it's really annoying and does you no good: stupid Flash intros to your website. I can almost understand this if you're selling games or some other kind of entertainment or general consumer software, but if you're selling an IDE or a network backup package? Who cares how good the Flash developers at your advertising firm are? Tell the PHB who approved it that he may be a technically inept goofball who's impressed with animated monkeys, but unless those animated monkeys are actually shovelling packets or writing code, we aren't impressed.

    On a more on-topic note, the evaluation keys I ordered for WinGate yesterday at 8pm (it's a little after noon on the next day now) just now arrived. Jerks. The choice between reviving an old Linux box running ipchains and buying WinGate just got a lot easier.

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    Proud member of the Weirdo-American community.
  84. Re:Registration makes me paranoid by base3 · · Score: 2

    What is it? And if this is the US government, simply make an FOIA request of the agency producing it for the software. You won't give up nearly as much information as you're describing in that case.

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    One CPU cycle wasted on digital restrictions management is ONE TOO MANY.