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Public Procurement and Open Source

Steve writes "Open code in public procurement is an interesting take on free software and open source software in a federal or state environment. Pawlo: 'It is time that public bodies and governments look over their public procurement policies. The policy should guarantee competition, not stifle it.' Thinking of the latest Bill Gates rant this make sense."

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  1. Open Source? More like Openly Racist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    The Open Source movement, otherwise known as 'Free Software', has been a topic of considerable debate on the Internet's most controversial site. The majority of this debate has centered around the technical merits of the software, with the esteemed editors argueing against adopting Linux by employing the full depth of their considerable intellects, and the other side hurling death threats and similar invective. This has allowed many who would not otherwise receive quality information about Open Source software to be made aware of many of its ramifications, but one issue has been left alone: The overt racism that is deeply embedded in the movement.

    Allow me to explain.

    Alan Cox; Richard Stallman; Bruce Perens; Wichert Akkerman; Miguel DeIcaza.

    What do you see in this list of names? Are there any African-Americans on it? Absolutely not, none of those names sound like one a self-respecting black person would have! No Maurice, no Luther, no Lil' Kim. There are many other lists such as this, you can see one here. Flip through each page, do you see anything other than white faces? Of course you don't, because Open Source and its adherents are ardent racists and they absolutely forbid access to the sacred 'kernel' by any person of color.

    Lets look at another list, this time a compendium of the companies using Linux. Are there any black owned companies on that list? Nooooooo. How about these companies? They all have something to do with Open Source software, any of them owned by an African-American? No again. Here is an extensive collection of photographs from a LUG (Linux User Gathering) meeting, more can be viewed at that link. What is odd about these pictures, and every other photograph I have ever seen of a LUG meeting, is that there is not one single black person to be seen, and probably none for miles.

    More racist overtones can be found by examining the language of Open Source. They often refer to 'white hat' hackers. These 'white hats' scurry about the Internet doing good, but illegal, acts for their fellow man. In stark contrast we find the 'black hat' hackers. They destroy the good works of others by breaking into systems, stealing data, and generally causing havoc. These two terms reflect the mindset of most Linux developers. White means good, black means bad. Anywhere there is black, there is uncontrollable destruction and lawlessness. Looking further we see black lists that inform other users of 'bad' hardware, Samba, an obvious play on the much hated Little Black Sambo book, Mandrake, which I won't explain except to say that the French are notorious racists. This type is linguistic discrimination is widespread throughout the Open Source culture, lampooned by many of its more popular sites.

    It is also a fact that all Unix 'distros' contain a plethora of racist commands with not so hidden symbolism.

    It can hardly be coincidence that the prime operating system of choice of the 'open source supremacists' - Linux, features commands which are poorly disguised racist acronyms. For example: 'awk' (All White Klan) , 'sed' (shoot nEgroes dead), 'ln' (lynch negroes), 'rpm' (raical purity mandatory), 'bash' (bring a slave home), 'ps' (persecute sambo), 'mount' (murder or unseat nubians today), 'fsck' (favored supreme Christian klan). I could go on and on about the latent racist symbolism in Linux, but I fear it would take weeks to enumerate every incidence.

    Is there a single unix command out there that does not have some hidden racist connotation ? Suffice it to say that the racism pervades Linux like a particularly bad smell. Can you imagine the effect of running such a racist operating system on the impressionable mind ? I don't have to remind you that transmitting subliminal messages is banned in the USA, and yet here we have an operating system that appears to be one enormous submliminal ad for the Klan!

    One of the few selling points of Open Source software is that it is available in many different languages. Browsing through the list I see that absolutely none are offered in Swahili, nor Ebonics. Obviously this is done to prevent black people from having access to the kernel. If it weren't for the fact that racism is so blatantly evil I would be impressed by the efforts these Open Sourcers have invested in keeping their little hobby lilly white. It even appears that they hate the Japanese, as some of these self proclaimed hackers defaced a web site with anti-Japanese slogans. Hell, these people even go all the way to Africa (South Africa mind you, better known as White Africa) and the pictures prove that they don't even get close to a black person.

    Of course, presenting overwhelming evidence such as this is a bit unfair without some attempt to determine why these Open Sourcers are so racist. Much of the evidence I have collected indicates that their views are so deeply held that they are seldom questioned by the new recruits. This, coupled with the robot-like groupthink that dominates the culture allows the racist mindset to continue to permeate the ranks. Indeed, the Open Source version of a Klan rally, OSDN (known to the world as Open Source Developer's Network, known to insiders as Open Source Denies Negroes) nearly stands up and shouts its racist views on its demographics page. It doesn't mention the black man one single time. Obviously, anyone involved with Open Source doesn't need to be told that the demographic is entirely white, it is a given.

    I have a sneaking suspicion as to why their beliefs are so closely held: they are all terrible athletes.

    Really. Much like the tragedy at Columbine High School, where two geeks went on a rampage to get back at 'jocks', these adult geeks still bear the emotional scars inflicted upon them due to their lack of athletic ability during their teen years. As African-Americans are well known for their athletic skills, they are an obvious target for the Open Source geeks. As we all know, sports builds character, thus it follows that the lack of sports destroys character. These geeks, locked away in their rooms, munching on stale pizza and Fritos, engage in no character building activities. Further, they interact only with computers and never develop the level of social skill that allows normal people to handle relationships with persons of color.

    Contrasted with the closed source, non-geeky software house Microsoft, Open Source has a long, long way to go.

    1. Re:Open Source? More like Openly Racist by pennsol · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      ROFL!!!...now i've heard it all...shit man why didn't i think of that...oh yea cause it's stupid...duh! get a clue!

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  4. Last Post! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    T(H)GSB

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    Saved for posterity, from a discussion about the new subscription system:


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    perhaps 50 Score:3 comments to affect the
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    A statistic in the hand of the ignorant is more dangerous than a gun in the hand of a child. Malda's dismissal of the importance of comments reflects on the inability of Slashdot's "editors" to understand the way communities work.

    For the record, my feelings on the Slashdot Subscription Embroglio rests firmly in the uninterested. I have almost zero opinion on the final outcome of subscriptions. I love Slashdot, and will probably subscribe at some point to support the site, but the details are dull (to me).

    Says Rob Malda, "... while I don't mean to dismiss the value of comment posters, the percentage of readers that read comments is small. Yes comments draw readers, and keep them coming back. But half
    of readers don't care!" In that case, Slashdot would be much better served by dumping the flaky and irritating overhead of a DB server and filling the pipe with a longer "Favorites" list--which, essentially, is what Slashdot is once you strip away the comments and comment posters. This is where a meaningless SQL query puts dangerous statistics in the hand of the ignorant. If Malda thinks that he can divine real knowledge from a SELECT query, he is sadly mistaken. While I do not doubt the validity of the numbers, I seriously doubt the validity of his extrapolation of the data. The ebb and flow of a community cannot be read from the tea leaves of an Apache log file.

    This easy dismissal of the value of the only providers of interesting and insightful content on Slashdot is offensive. Thus, I propose a small revolt. The (Hopefully) Great Slashdot Blackout.

    T(H)GSB will be during the week of April 21 through April 27. Easy to remember, the full moon in April falls on the 27th. During that time, I will not be posting, nor will I click through to read the comments from the home page. I will become as Malda's idea of the typical Slashdot reader. I will provide no new content (neither comments, nor story submissions--although I'm not much of a story submitter).

    During that week, I'd like to see if Malda sees Slashdot become a better place, or if it becomes the Hallowed Shrine of Troll. I'd like for the logs to be revisited and new queries run. And, I'd like for the "editors" to really see what the true value of Slashdot is--not the sum of click-throughs and page-views, but the sharing of knowledge and dissemination of information; the passing of experience from the more to the less.

    This is where the (Hopefully) comes in. This is only meaningful if enough free content-providers (i.e., comment posters) agree to go along and participate. If there is only me and a handful of others who cease normal activities during that week, it will be pretty meaningless. Barely a dent will be made, and Malda and the other "editors" will never realize the incredible value they receive from comment posters.

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  5. Mad Props! by Strom+Thurmond+(R-SC · · Score: -1

    Layne Staley is dead. Long live junkies!

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    1. Re:Mad Props! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
      Nice to see you Strom, you old bastard. Still hanging onto life I see.

      I heard you were hospitalized a while ago. What did they inject into you this time?

  6. A major problem by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As somebody who works in procurment from time to time, I can say that open source work is'nt something that is too appealing.

    Basically, it comes down to accountability. When the RFP responses come back, the government agency needs to see that there is a clearly defined orginization that it can access to resolve issues. If they see 'free' or 'open source', red flags will go up. "You mean anyone can change this? No thanks"

    It's a standard way of thinking for government agencies. They will never adopt open source unless it first becomes general practice in the commerical sector.

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    1. Re:A major problem by jas79 · · Score: 1

      isn't that where companies like Red Hat and Suse are for?

    2. Re:A major problem by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 2

      I've yet to see Red Hat or SUSE respond to an RFP. That's probably a marketing issue (or it's just that the things I deal with is too small of potateos).

      But even if they did start responding, my guess is they would run into a brick wall. 'Liiinnn-Ex?.... is'nt that for hackers or something?' (not my words.. but the assumed words of a procurment department)

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    3. Re:A major problem by anshil · · Score: 2

      Basically, it comes down to accountability. When the RFP responses come back, the government agency needs to see that there is a clearly defined orginization that it can access to resolve issues. If they see 'free' or 'open source', red flags will go up. "You mean anyone can change this? No thanks"

      Maybe I'm just totally confused, but that argumentation is so stupid in my eyes, just because anybody _can_ change this, doesn't mean the software they used it changed by anybody. But is provided and serviced from the entity they bought it from. Or the software they give to "consumers", either the software is unaltered, (hash key matches) or you loose all support, it's the same as opening my TV and ironing a new transistior to a place where I think it will do some good.

      I can change assembler code of released products also, it's just ultmativly more work and time consuming, but does that change anything on it's support?

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    4. Re:A major problem by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 2

      Maybe I'm just totally confused, but that argumentation is so stupid in my eyes

      Who said people in procurment are smart... or even rational. But, to their credit, they can close html tags.

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    5. Re:A major problem by 56ker · · Score: 2

      Come on now - I mean they did say they were from "procurement" - and IT procurement at that! I mean actually having to have a bit of knowledge about IT would be stretching it a bit now! I mean heaven help us when people are actually have experience in what they were doing! Who would the rest of us at work have then for comic relief?

    6. Re:A major problem by dattaway · · Score: 2

      It's a standard way of thinking for government agencies. They will never adopt open source...

      It all starts at the top. I see it happening.

    7. Re:A major problem by JordanH · · Score: 2
      Really, this isn't a job for the procurement departments. It's been my experience that for things like software products, the RFPs are actually written by the technical people who will be receiving the goods, not anyone in procurement. RFPs are typically written to get a very specific product, or something that's exactly functionally equivalent.

      When the people who spec the requirements determine that Open Source is what they want, they'll writeup RFPs that require that the Source be provided and that they'll be able to make changes and still get support. Then, companies like RedHat, SuSe and Covalent will be able to respond adequately.

      Today, I would guess, that most RFPs for these kinds of products spec complete Solaris systems complete with Web Server/etc (which may be why Sun feels iPlanet is an important product for them, it may get thrown out in favor of Apache down the line, but it does fit the requirements of RFPs) or MS solutions. Nothing to which the Open Source support companies could adequately respond.

    8. Re:A major problem by hellsop · · Score: 1

      This is more what companies like IBM are for, being able to take advantage of the strengths and cost-benefits of open-source, putting them to work on custom software, built to specification, and not for distribution.

      In all debates about free and open software, a giant omission recurrs. There's no admission that the vast majority of software written *isn't* for distribution at all. It's custom work, for one installation, and the money paid is for the work, not the software. And the best reading I can see is that the GPL largely doesn't apply to that kind of work, because it never goes anywhere else. Does the user get the source code? Yup. Can they make changes to it? Sure. (If they do, it may break something that they'll have to pay to get fixed, but they're allowed to.) Can the user distribute it? Sure, but they're responsible for it thereafter, not the developer.

      Yes, I do work for IBM. But this isn't an endorsement of a particular vendor, just that there's a whole market huge market that hasn't reeally been connected to free software before because the organizations doing the requesting haven't really wrapped their minds around the idea that they can buy work instead of software.

    9. Re:A major problem by Sgt.+Latino · · Score: 1

      Having worked for the public sector, I agree that the lack of appeal of free software comes down to accountability, but not as represented by this post. The gist of the problem is that public employees don't want to be accountable.

      The true killer feature of proprietary software for public administration is that when things go wrong, all it takes is for the people responsible to point at {Microsoft, Oracle, PeopleSoft, whoever} and scream "it's not my fault, it's their software that's buggy", and since that is one of the many accepted "facts of IT life", they're off the hook. With free software, on the other hand, they cannot do this.

      Mind you that this technique of flinging blame around does nothing to actually solve the problem, but keeping the system up only comes a very distant second after keeping they asses of the line with a bare minimum of effort.

    10. Re:A major problem by wickedhobo · · Score: 1

      This isn't true. I am working on a massive development effort for the US federal government based entirely on open-source technologies.
      It's going very well. I'm not allowed to talk much about it though.

      However, we were actually told from the beginning to use open-source by the government. Adoption does not seem to be a problem.

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    11. Re:A major problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The comment below is true.

      "This isn't true. I am working on a massive development effort for the US federal government based entirely on open-source technologies.
      It's going very well. I'm not allowed to talk much about it though."

  7. amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    amazing what the theoritical technological powers of this world (i.e. microsoft w/ bill gates) can impress upon the business world as a whole.

  8. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Linux isn't usable for the vast majority of all users, thats a fact!

    Just because MS do stupid stuff doesn't mean people are going to use a system thats not usable or supported.

    Whats needed on the open source scene is the same thing that has always been needed, MONEY! A bunch of students and night-coders may continue to code on open source software but for the masses real income is needed or it will never happen.

  9. Why should the use of open software by Krapangor · · Score: 1

    ensure competition ?
    The FSF, EFF and associated bodies just want to lobby open software into federal institution. This in fact avoids open competition because the software is choosen by political considerations not by qualitative ones. Competition has nothing do to with the question wether to use open software or not, but with the terms how these decisions are made.
    So dragging the open vs. close software issue in is rather ridiculous.

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  10. this will be of interest to you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    it's good that you raise this topic!
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  11. Procurement people are least qualified to procure by Astrorunner · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its true. Mostly. People in Procurement generaly have some idea as to what it is their job is about, and some idea about the items they need to buy. Sure, anyone can buy trash bags and styrofoam cups, but you expect them to pick an open-source package over, say, a Microsoft package?

    Its not very likely to happen, mostly because of the FUD factor, and that, IMHO, Microsoft is a "sure thing" at least in terms of keeping their jobs. For example, choosing Windows over Linux -- the buyer knows Microsoft will be around tomorrow, and thats what everyone knows, so damnit, if it costs more and its insecure, its what people want and expect. Except the people "in the know."

    It comes down to the people who need the software to sit down and convince the buyers why this or that open source package is comparable, if not superior.

  12. Don't get the government involved by globaljustin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've worked in government at the local and national level doing data entry among other things. Now listen you open source die hards, the people who would be using the cheap open source software you tout so much actually need the uniformity and technical commonality that microsoft provides.

    The typical government computer user can barely use basic microsoft products. And before you counter with "well linux is easier" remember the computer background that most of these people have. A home pc for checking email and that's about it.

    When open source can offer some real compatablility and uniformity then maybe using it in government applications can be feasable. Right now, it is not even on the table

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    1. Re:Don't get the government involved by jackb_guppy · · Score: 1

      I my guess is you have not used MS for long...

      There is no uniformity - except the color of screen.

      Look and standard and uniformity in macros in Word, Excel, Access - there is none.

      MS does not even have their own programs comply with their standards for third parties to get the MS logo on the package. Look at File and Print services in Word and Excel.

      Why you may ask (most likely not) because since MS does it differently - it makes the barrier higher for a competing program. Actually impossible. You can not match MS functionality and get the MS logo on your box.

    2. Re:Don't get the government involved by globaljustin · · Score: 1

      whatever problems you point out about MS are increased ten and twenty fold with any kind of linux or other open source-based office systems

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    3. Re:Don't get the government involved by dhogaza · · Score: 2

      This explains why the EPA uses Word Perfect rather than MS Word?

      The feds are hardly a microsoft-only shop, though obviously they license enormous amounts of Microsoft software.

    4. Re:Don't get the government involved by nels_tomlinson · · Score: 2
      ... the people who would be using the cheap open source software you tout so much actually need the uniformity and technical commonality that microsoft provides.

      They certainly aren't in government service because they like or have any knowledge of computers!

      I agree that government, perhaps more than most organizations, needs the ability to provide a uniform, easily administered desktop and applications, which are the same for everyone, everywhere. Unix lets you do this, via the X-term/compute server route. Windows doesn't. And that is pretty much that. Yes, I am aware that there are kludges you can use to accomplish something like this on windows, but it's difficult, expensive and non-standard (i.e., non-MS).

      As you pointed out, the government employees really have no computer experience nor ability, so there is no question of them having extensive MS-centered knowledge. They are clueless, and you will have to train them on the specific buttons they will need to push for their specific jobs, whatever platform and applications you provide, be it Mac, Windows or *nix. By going with a *nix platform, you are really giving up nothing except the kickbacks from the salesmen, and I suspect that has far more to do with the original topic (Which was ``WHy Not Use Open Source'') than this sidetrack.

    5. Re:Don't get the government involved by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.

      Whatever you say is wrong and wahtever I say is right.

      So there.

  13. formats by Alien54 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    isn't this why we have SMGL and HTML etcc in the first place?

    It seems that this is "merely" a matter of enforcing existing standards. But then, I am not a bureaucrat.

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  14. Re:Procurement people are least qualified to procu by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 2

    You're absolutly right. If a government agency is smart enough, they get the services of a project management firm (I should say this is what my company does). A PM firm will basically act as a member of the agency's staff through all phases of the project, including, and espicaly, procurment.

    On the data side, we like to set standards. Often we will get this: "I want X software, or I want X hardware." In my state, this is illegal (but this happens all the time). We are careful to re-write RFPs to include the little line 'or equivilent'. This opens things up to alternitives.

    But in the end, most vendors are going to accomidate the perceived wishes of the government agencies, which is pretty much the Microsoft/Office solution. Open source might be better, but it's a wild card that most government orginizations ar'nt willing to consider.

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  15. New medical study: Microsoft products better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    You may be surprised to learn that the software you use affects your health. A group of medical researchers in the Midwest have discovered proof that the effect of using quality, reliable software on human health is undeniable.

    An unbiased medical study was recently completed which included blood tests, double-blind placebo-controlled user tests, heart monitors and urine samples, among other techniques. The study was led by Dr. Robert Wilkes and his assistant Dr. Li Huang, both of whom have a strong background in computer software. The details have not yet been made available to the public, however Drs. Wilkes and Huang have asked that the public be provided with a summary of their findings as soon as possible.

    This study was conducted over a period of two years, and the results will be published shortly in a major medical journal. The subjects for the study were 235 computer users and programmers, of varying skill levels, selected at random from major cities in the U.S., and carefully monitored on a periodic basis for software-related stress, illness, injury and other ailments. They also performed psychological evaluations to determine the effect of various software brands on the users' mental health.

    Below is a brief summary of the results of their findings.

    Users of Microsoft Windows, Office and Internet Explorer have a significantly lower incidence of stomach ulcers, colonic gas, redness of the eyes, and stress-related high blood pressure than their Unix & Linux counterparts -- particularly the users of Solarus, Red Hat, NOME, KDE and Netscape, among others. It was believed that the ocular redness was related to the high percentage of marijuana abusers in the Linux community, and urinalysis confirmed this to be the case. Further study and psychoanalysis showed that the stress and ulceration (found in the Unix & Linux users) were primarily caused by the following factors:

    1. Uncertainty about the future of their operating system.
    2. The perceived need to "fight the system", or a sort of internal struggle against large corporations (such as Microsoft).
    3. The necessity of posturing oneself as "reet" in order to gain the respect of colleagues. (These users failed to inform Dr. Wilkes as to the meaning of this obscure term. If anyone here can provide a definition, that would be appreciated.)
    4. Feelings of fear or paranoia concerning illegal hacking, cracking and "where's" smuggling activities. (Such feelings were quite widespread among this group, and tend to also cause the flatus which was mentioned earlier.)

    The Unix & Linux users also had a greater incidence of carpal-tunnel syndrome, due to the greater necessity of typing at the command line. Examination of the wrist muscles in this group of users found numerous cases of inflammation and irreparable injury caused by their incessant command-line usage, whereas the majority of Microsoft users, who primarily use the mouse and seldom type, had healthy wrist muscles.

    The Microsoft users exhibited tranquility, good mental and physical health, and balanced emotional well-being. They tend to spend more time at the gym, visit family and friends more often, and are more outgoing and social. Dr. Huang found that this is due to the fact that their operating system doesn't require them to spend long hours studying Mann pages in order to perform simple maintenance tasks. Their primary reasons for feeling secure were as follows:

    1. Their choice of software is friendly and colorful, plays interesting sounds when they start up, shut down, or click on certain pictures, and Microsoft provides plenty of hotfixes such as Windows Update to keep their computer safe from hackers.
    2. They feel secure about the future of Microsoft, partly because its founder is the richest man on the planet. As one user noted, "Bill Gates is one smart cookie. He knows how to make computers easy for people like me. I trust him with the future of my computer, because he always comes up with nifty ways to make computers fun. Plus he's darn rich, so they won't be going bankrupt anytime soon! LOL!"
    3. User enjoyed the catchphrase "Where do you want to go today?" because it made them feel as though Microsoft were catering to their wishes and needs, which does in fact appear to be true.

    Among the focus groups examined were numerous programmers, of various software persuasions. The programmers using Visual Basic, ASP and .NET technologies were the healthiest overall, and Dr. Wilkes found that this was directly related to the security they felt in their careers. The .NET programmers were especially well-adjusted, partly due to their sense of pride and being on the cutting edge of technology. "Microsoft is the biggest game in town," one engineer raved, "and those who miss the .NET bandwagon are getting left by the wayside. Nobody in the industry has produced a virtual-machine-based, object-oriented language like Microsoft's C# until now."

    The Unix & Linux programmers using Java, J2EE, JSP and PHP were found to have the lowest health ratings. Upon further analysis, it was determined that this was due to the following primary factors:

    1. Lack of drag-and-drop interfaces which automatically generate source code. In comparison to the Microsoft-based developers, this group spent a lot of extra time writing code from scratch. This led to less time spent with family and friends, which led to ulcers, gastrointestinal disorders and high levels of stress.
    2. A feeling of being "left behind" or "out of the loop" with regard to Microsoft's revolutionary new technologies in the .NET family of products. These users have an unwritten "anarchic" rule that they will not install Microsoft's products on their PCs, thus they often wonder what new, exciting features they are missing. Some develop psychological complexes based on their high levels of curiosity.
    3. Uneasiness about being involved in illegal hacking activities, or in many cases, the need to be perceived as "reet" among peers.

    Keep in mind that this study was performed without prejudice, and with the strictest adherence to the guidelines set forth by the profession for clinical trials of this nature. Dr. Wilkes and his colleagues are educated professionals of the highest degree, and their vast research in medicine and the field of computer software allows them to speak with authority on these issues.

    Please take this opportunity to reevaluate your choice of software, and be aware that it can drastically affect your physical and mental health.

  16. What's the big deal ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Everybody here seems to be so in love with "competition".
    Noone competes for competition's sake people !
    Maybe on a game server, but not in the business world !
    If I compete, I want to win, that is I want to put an end to the competition so I can profit undisturbed with highest margin possible.

    I admire Microsoft for realizing a monopoly, killing competition and getting away with it !

    It must be a cool feeling, that after all these trials and findings of your dirty tactics, there are still customers who happily bend over and buy your crap.

  17. Malda...Where did the money go? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    A Little Refresher from back when Andover (the they) bought Slashdot

    A fair amount of information on the Slashdot acquisition is presented. Outright they paid $1.5 million in cash and $2.0 million in stock for the site. Those numbers will bump up to a maximum of $3.5 million cash and $5 million stock if the Slashdot principles remain employed there and meet "performance milestones."

    Rob Malda has a three-year contract with Andover. Andover can terminate this agreement for "continued, uncured insubordination." How this clause fits with his claim of "total editorial control" is not spelled out in this filing. Rob can quit and take a year's salary with him for a number of "good reasons," including "the requirement by Andover.Net that Mr. Malda perform his duties from any specific location for a prolonged period of time."

  18. We need a new moderation category. by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

    M$ Propaganda

  19. Why push the GPL? by mgkimsal2 · · Score: 2, Flamebait

    Of all things, why this here? If my company wrote something that would be sold to a government agency (say, our lovely Michigan) the *last* thing I'd want to do is GPL it, because there's another potential 49 states that could use the same software. If it's GPL'd, there'd be nothing to stop Michigan from reselling it to the other 49 states, cutting us out.

    Does everyone's brain turn off the moment the letters GPL are typed together?

    1. Re:Why push the GPL? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems you are off topic. The discussion here
      conserns the benefits to the buyers of software,
      not to the sellers of software. The GPL favors
      buyers.

    2. Re:Why push the GPL? by caduguid · · Score: 2

      That isn't really the question. The question is, if say, your lovely Michigan, were buying software... why would they not consider GPL to be one positive factor when evaluating their purchase?

      I don't imagine it's an explicit public policy goal in Michigan for your specific company to make as much money as possible. If GPL-ing the software would price you out of the market, then the gov't could either procure your software w/o the GPL, or go with a competitor that can provide more public interest oriented licensing than you can.

      GPL doesn't have to be an absolute requirement, it could merely be a factor... just like price and quality. All other things being equal, it seems to me the government has an interest in promoting the sort of cross-pollination and collaborative environment that free licensing encourages, _especially_ in software it will be investing substantial monies, employees' time and training.

    3. Re:Why push the GPL? by ProsperoDGC · · Score: 1

      If you build a system for the government, the government owns it, and the government can do whatever it wants with it. It doesn't need to be GPL'd to allow this: it's the law. This is assuming that you're building custom software (say, web applications, as my company does). We make our money by providing follow-on services. No two agencies are alike; every one has its own needs, just as every company does. The situation is different if it's your copyrighted program code, or whatever. But this is a flawed model: you can't sell exactly the same solution over and over again. You have to customize it. And if you price that base solution too high, someone else could quite easily undercut you if their base solution is GPL'd. And price is everything in government...

    4. Re:Why push the GPL? by mgkimsal2 · · Score: 2

      If you build a system *and* contractually agree that they own it, then yes. If I build something, then simply license it to a government agency that agrees to license it per my terms, they do not own it.

      The government doesn't own SQL Server, DB2, Oracle or other databases. They aren't written specifically for the government, granted, but something my company writes may be written in such a way as to keep the base system ours and/or open, and the customizations specific to the agency would become their property.

  20. A nice speech for competition by software_non_olet · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...and that's exactly where OpenSource is weak, let's face it.

    OpenSource is not allways that easy to install and use and interoperable as Microsoft product are. Support is not as well available. If we think in terms of competition on the desktop, OpenSource falls flat on the belly.

    This is not something, which can be fixed by speeches. We need to cooperate and coordinate better, we need to have better interoperability with de facto standards (and isn't any standard a de facto standard?).

    What the government can (and should) do, is to take care, that the interface definitions are open and without patents or copyrights. That's it's typical role. Everything else is up to us.

    Windows-Interfaces should be open and public - all of them.
    File formats of Word, Excel, Power Point etc. should be open and public.

    I think, it's time to come out of the religious-like discussion and go for competition. We have the pole position in the server market and a very good base in the schools and universities - next areas to tackle will be desktop and then quality, documentation and support.

    Geee, an OpenSource AG!!! With Linus for core development, Taco for press relations and me as janitor!

    1. Re:A nice speech for competition by anshil · · Score: 2

      OpenSource is not allways that easy to install and use and interoperable as Microsoft product are. Support is not as well available. If we think in terms of competition on the desktop, OpenSource falls flat on the belly.

      To take some words right, you use "OpenSource" in the wrong way. You should mean general GNU Source or anything like that. Any product for windows _could_ be OpenSource, which has nothing to do with easy installation, it's just a matter of trust.

      And get the difference between FreeSoftware and OpenSource Software, OpenSourced software must not be free (merely most times it is) Infact GNU is _free_ software.

      --

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      Karma 50, and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt.
    2. Re:A nice speech for competition by software_non_olet · · Score: 1

      Yes I agree.

  21. MOD PARENT DOWN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Its the SLASHDOT BLACKOUT you jackass!

    DUH!

    1. Re:MOD PARENT DOWN by aozilla · · Score: 2

      Those participating in the blackout should not be moderating. Did you notice the quote of the day at the bottom: Are we on STRIKE yet?

      --
      ok then your [sic] infringing on my copyright! Could you as [sic] me next time before STEALING my comments for your own?
  22. Anal intercourse guide for Linux fans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Anal intercourse for Linux fans

    Linux Buttsex HOWTO

    by Anal Cocks
    Version 1.0.1, 2nd June 1998

    Introduction

    This HOWTO explains how to perform Buttsex in the Linux Operating System w/Enterprise Resources (LOSER). This HOWTO assumes basic knowledge of general Linux operation.

    Preparation
    Most basically, all Linux Buttsex requires is a machine running the Linux Operating System, a penis (also referred to as a "cock" or "dick"), and a willing friend. However, you benefit greatly, especially when starting out, if you pose ss standard Buttsex tools.

    Standard Buttsex Tools
    Lubricant - Slippery stuff you smear on your johnson and your friend's manpussy, to ease the tran sition into Buttsex mode. Vaseline will do in a pinch, but water-based lubricants such as KY Jelly and Astroglide are preferable.

    Contraception - Protective barrier between your schlong and the inside of your friend's love canal. Breeders use them to preven t pregnancy, but we queer nancies usually use them to protect ourselves from the deadly AIDS virus. While some enterprising faggot s have made do with plastic wrap or masking tape, there is no substitute for a latex condom. Most all condoms will do, as long as they aren't the "extra-thin" type. Some condoms are labelled as beiong superior for Buttsex, but are not necessary.

    Step One -- Prepare the Anus
    This step is especially important if your friend has never taken a willie in the ass bef ore. Prepare his anus for the width and girth of your manhood with the "finger" command. It is used like so:

    % finger [inse rt your friend's name here]

    Begin with your index or middle finger, and then both middle AND index fingers, at the same ti me. Ten to fifteen minutes should do. If you wish, you may felate him or suck his balls, while you're fingering him.

    Step Two -- Entry
    Here the fun starts. Have your friend lay prone on the bed, or even better, get down "on all fours" . Optionally, place a couple pillows beneath him to make him more comfortable. Now position yourself behind him, and spread his as scheeks. Apply lubricant, generously, to both your sexrod, and his pit of pleasure. It is advisable to stick your fingers partiall y inside in his anus, to make sure that the entire edge of the entry is covered.

    Your penis must be fully erect in order to mak e a sucessful entry. If you are not already "hard as a rock", you may rub your penis in his asscrack, while tweaking his nipples ( or stroking his cock), and saying intimidating things, such as "I am going to make you squeal like a pig, boy. Squeal, like a pig! ".

    When your sexstick is sufficiently engorged with blood, it is time to begin entry. Place the head of your cock firmly agains t his brown anal starfish. Begin applying firm pressure forwards, optionally using your hand to guide your dick on a true course i nto sodomy. Your friend is most likely moaning in agony or yelping, and you may either ignore this, or in a snide tone, say "You l ike that, bitch?".

    When your penis is in, move on to the next step.

    Step Three -- Hardcore Assramming
    This is fairly simple. Move your dick around in his ass, towards and then back, at varying speeds. If for some reason your dick pops out, put in back in, undaunted. Continue pumping and thrusting until you feel yo u are ready to move on to Step Four.

    Step Four -- Orgasm
    When ready to blow your load, use this command:

    % stdout > ass

    This redirects your standard output stream into your friend's pink tunnel of shit. Enter the command, then with one final thrust, placing the ent ire length of your cock inside his body. Your penis will then eject about a quart of sticky white semen, accompanied by tremendous pleasure.

    Step Five -- Cleanup
    If you wore a condom, cleanup is simple. Remove the condom and toss it out your window. Then sop up any other jizz, anal juice, excrement, or lubricant with Brawny(R) brand paper towels.

    If you did not wear a condom, your f riend will have a steady drip of cum out of his ass for the next few hours. Tell him to "buck up" and stuff some toilet paper in h is underwear.

    Afterward

    Congratulations! You are now a l337 LUN1X 4$$r4mm3r, just like Linux Toreballs and his gay minions! Celebra te by masturbating to the sensual gay erotica found at http://www.goatse.cx/

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  24. Re:Procurement people are least qualified to procu by Yo+Grark · · Score: 1

    My personal experience as a software sales rep is quite the opposite. Procurement has NO IDEA what they're buying. They're there to make sure they get the best price for it. Procurement officers are responsible for reporting, not blindly paying more. If it's the project manager that requests Open Souce, open source is what they get. Only question for procurement is where from, and how to get it at the best possible price (out to tenor is a popular phrase. The REAL people who need to be marketed to are the project managers. They need to see outstanding stability and functionality out of the box vs the status quo OS. Then you'll see more Open Source being Procured. Remember, procurement officers have no say whether something is purchased or not. That's Finance's job.

    - Yo Grark
    Who to purchase from...RedHat, BestBuy, a local Reseller....what do you mean this is free software? How can we spend taxes blindly if we use free software?!?

    --
    Canadian Bred with American Buttering
  25. Hello little moderators by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

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  26. Malda's Story by Sweet+Buttery+Anus · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    A few years ago, while browsing around the library downtown, I had to take a piss. As I entered the john a big beautiful all-American football hero type, about twenty-five, came out of one of the booths. I stood at the urinal looking at him out of the corner of my eye as he washed his hands. He didn't once look at me. He was "straight" and married -- and in any case I was sure I wouldn't have a chance with him.

    As soon as he left I darted into the booth he'd vacated, hoping there might be a lingering smell of shit and even a seat still warm from his sturdy young ass. I found not only the smell but the shit itself. He'd forgotten to flush. And what a treasure he had left behind. Three or four beautiful specimens floated in the bowl. It apparently had been a fairly dry, constipated shit, for all were fat, stiff, and ruggedly textured. The real prize was a great feast of turd -- a nine inch gastrointestinal triumph as thick as a man's wrist.

    I knelt before the bowl, inhaling the rich brown fragrance and wondered if I should obey the impulse building up inside me. I'd always been a heavy rimmer and had lapped up more than one little clump of shit, but that had been just an inevitable part of eating ass and not an end in itself. Of course I'd had jerkoff fantasies of devouring great loads of it (what rimmer hasn't), but I had never done it. Now, here I was, confronted with the most beautiful five-pound turd I'd ever feasted my eyes on, a sausage fit to star in any fantasy and one I knew to have been hatched from the asshole of the world's handsomest young stud.

    Why not? I plucked it from the bowl, holding it with both hands to keep it from breaking. I lifted it to my nose. It smelled like rich, ripe limburger (horrid, but thrilling), yet had the consistency of cheddar. What is cheese anyway but milk turning to shit without the benefit of a digestive tract?

    I gave it a lick and found that it tasted better then it smelled. I've found since then that shit nearly almost does.

    I hesitated no longer. I shoved the fucking thing as far into my mouth as I could get it and sucked on it like a big brown cock, beating my meat like a madman. I wanted to completely engulf it and bit off a large chunk, flooding my mouth with the intense, bittersweet flavor. To my delight I found that while the water in the bowl had chilled the outside of the turd, it was still warm inside. As I chewed I discovered that it was filled with hard little bits of something I soon identified as peanuts. He hadn't chewed them carefully and they'd passed through his body virtually unchanged. I ate it greedily, sending lump after peanutty lump sliding scratchily down my throat. My only regret was the donor of this feast wasn't there to wash it down with his piss.

    I soon reached a terrific climax. I caught my cum in the cupped palm of my hand and drank it down. Believe me, there is no more delightful combination of flavors than the hot sweetness of cum with the rich bitterness of shit.

    Afterwards I was sorry that I hadn't made it last longer. But then I realized that I still had a lot of fun in store for me. There was still a clutch of virile turds left in the bowl. I tenderly fished them out, rolled them into my handkerchief, and stashed them in my briefcase. In the week to come I found all kinds of ways to eat the shit without bolting it right down. Once eaten it's gone forever unless you want to filch it third hand out of your own asshole. Not an unreasonable recourse in moments of desperation or simple boredom.

    I stored the turds in the refrigerator when I was not using them but within a week they were all gone. The last one I held in my mouth without chewing, letting it slowly dissolve. I had liquid shit trickling down my throat for nearly four hours. I must have had six orgasms in the process.

    I often think of that lovely young guy dropping solid gold out of his sweet, pink asshole every day, never knowing what joy it could, and at least once did, bring to a grateful shiteater.

  27. Fuck you, FAGS. Temporary Lyrics Guy. by Sweet+Buttery+Anus · · Score: -1

    Attitude, you got some fucking attitude
    I can't believe what you said to me
    You got some attitude
    Inside your feeble brain there's probably a hole
    If you don't shut your mouth you're gonna feel a blow
    Attitude, the one you got, oh baby
    Attitude, the one you got, oh baby
    Attitude, attitude inside your feeble brain
    There's probably a hole if you don't shut
    Your mouth you're gonna feel a blow
    Attitude, you got some fucking attitude
    (attitude) I can't believe what you said to me
    You got some attitude
    Attitude, you got some fucking attitude (attitude)
    I can't believe what you said to me you got some attitude

  28. Eugenia Loli-Queru: Night Defender by Sweet+Buttery+Anus · · Score: -1

    Sweating and farting nervously on the verge of mental meltdown, ELQ reloads each of her precious OSNews pages, making sure all is well. Fifty Internet Explorer windows are open in Windows XP, it's gridning the hard drive to death. ELQ's cable modem and NIC activity LEDs are nearly solid from the raw frenzy of almost constant browser reloading. Eugenia's eyes twitch rapidly from window to window with Mercurial speed to make sure that any rogue comments do not escape her attention, always hitting her refresh buttons with pinpoint accuracy. No logical order for checking, purely random and impulse driven by raw Mediterranean temper, stopping for the occasional savage bite from a pork loin still affixed to the bone, Eugenia's eyes never leave the monitor.

    "N-n-n-n NO! No TIME for Dance Dance Revolution, oh but it's been so long! I cannot allow the BASTARD flooders' comments to be seen. MY DOMAIN IS SACRED!"

    Hair is frizzled and days unwashed, asscrack just barely half wiped in a frenzy to return to her monitor, having taken a large shit earlier. No time to flush! Her armpits are over-ridden with pubic hair, her fat flaps reek of B.O. and yeast from days of neglect and hour upon hour of sweating. Relentless sweating.

    "Cannot to be keeps up this pace! I may be need to go to hospital for exhaustions" she pants in desperation, wiping the sweat from a matted hair lock with her week-old t-shirt offering.

    The hour of judgement approaches! Comment number 45 in thread 374 is clearly of anti-Greek sentiment! It reads "Eugenia continues to post yet another story that's simply ripped off from other websites. How much longer can this continue? It's my opinion that she has poor editorial skills. I think they should be revoked."

    "YOU BASTARD FUCK!", Eugenia erupts in raw hatred, simultaneously ripping a 120 decibel-at-1-meter fart into the back of her chair. "Nobody is to be attack my site!" Eugenia blasts away at 10 words per minute in a barely-coherant broken English. She's on a mission. After several hours, the words on the screen are completely shattered and in disarray, they make no sense. Eugenia is impressed with her English progress and submits her lousy retort. Relaxing only for several seconds to savor the rush, she continues her patrol, sleepless into the night.

  29. On Topic: Encounter With the Mystery Flute Man by LOTR+Troll · · Score: -1

    I routinely commute between Bangor, Maine and Washington D.C. once every week for work. The drive is long and uneventful usually, yes I know, but the scratch is decent. To keep myself from going insane, I'll usually catch some tunes on the radio stations that I like along the way or even listen to something out of my CD collection if I'm really bored. I-95 gets pretty dull once you're several hours into the drive, so I like to stop every four hours or so to stretch my legs, fill the car up with gas, and grab a bite to eat. I'm particularly fond of Friendly's, and stop there quite often as my company picks up the tab for all travel related expenses, plus compensation.

    I decided to stop there one evening on the way back up to Bangor. The patty melt is usually pretty good and I mostly get that combo platter, but this time I decided to try the pastrami melt. It was generally satisfying. However, an hour into my resumed trip, I entered the Boston area and started to get a bit of rumbling in the bowels. I broke wind several times, but the gastrointestinal rumbling was getting so unbearable along with the stench, that I had to pull over at a Buck Horn Truck Stop. It was so bad,that I was barely able to hold the runny shit inside my bowels before I took down my boxers and let loose. The first wave of semi-solid feces was forced out by an explosive fire hose of runny turds and watery diarrhea, and I screamed in agony; butthole stinging from the festering shit water that was splashing back up onto my ass.

    I recovered after several minutes of dabbing at my asshole with that crappy cheap non-quilted toilet paper, and eased my ass back into my pants as to buy some pepto bismol from the gift shop. The beast in my lower abdomen needed to be calmed before I got on the road again.

    It's common for me to leave unflushed shit in the toilets that I use, as to make the life of whatever minimum wage loser that has to clean it up that much worse. This was a special occasion! The toilet was nearly ready to spill over. Perfection had been achieved, or so I thought.

    Mere seconds after my retreat from the stinking commode, a rather stalky man with a huge beer gut barged into the bathroom like some drunken vagrant, stinking almost as badly as my unflushed Cosby Kids. Sporting a rather unkept greasy beard, he butted his half-smoked joint onto the piss soaked floor and crept up behind me while I was washing my hands. I did not get a decent look at what he had contained in his other hand, but no sooner did he rush up behind me and jammed what felt like the barrel of a pistol into the lower of my back. "Don't move unless I tell you to." he blurted out messily. "I'll kill you if you move, now drop your pants." "Look, man, you can have my wallet, I don't care. I won't report you, just don't kill me," I replied. The stalky man responded in a gruff "That ain't gonna cut it, drop your pants now." So I did as he asked. "Now take down the boxers too," he remarked.

    "Oh god!" I thought to myself "I'm going to get raped in the ass at a fucking truck stop" and I did just as he asked. He prodded my already tender and sore asshole several times with the object he had jammed into my back, presumably the barrel of a pistol. I winced in pain, but dared not make noise. "Bend over, you're gonna take it hard like Linus does. Right in the sweet buttery cornhole. You're going to take it from me! The great RMS! AHAHAHAHAH!!!!!"

    "Oh shit, oh shit, oh shit" I thought over and over again while I proceeded to bend over the sink, when I finally caught a glimpse of my assailant in the sink mirror. The son of a bitch was jamming the mouthpiece end of a fucking flute into my back and asshole. A FUCKING FLUTE! I quickly pulled my pants back up, and shoved the greasy fuck away from me. I quickly pulled my 4.5" serrated Gerber lockback knife out of my right pocket while the madman tooted away on the mouthpiece end of the defiled flute. Quickly dashing at him, I was able to subdue the rapist son of a bitch and grip him firmly by his long hippie scalp.

    I held the knife to his throat and yelled "You fuck! It's time to eat shit!" I forced his fat head and person into the stall, down into the shit I had left in the commode minutes earlier. I recall the warmth of the shitbath being about lukewarm as I plunged his head multiple times into the crapper. "Nobody fucks with me on my fucking commute, you piece of shit!" I screamed at him as I kept dunking his head into the spoiled chunks and bacteria and finally applied a hefty blow to the base of his skull; leaving him passed out face down in my feces.

    I left the truck stop after calmly purchasing a travel size bottle of pepto, downed the sucker, and eventually made it home in time to watch the conclusion of CHiPS.

    If you have any further information on my assailant, I've
    included an artist's rendering of him here

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  30. BSD is the open source model to use. by jhines · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Look at the license of the BSD's, this is what software developed with public money should be released as.

    The TCP/IP stack, which has been adopted by just about everyone, to great benefit is the prime example.

    The GPL folks can use the BSD code, as can MS, and the rest of the commercial world. If the taxpayers have paid for the developement of the code, it should be free across the board from there, as its paid for.

    1. Re:BSD is the open source model to use. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh no, not another argument for the BSD license, so commercial companies can claim free tax paid development time for their proprietary products.

      If the project is going to be publicly funded, keep it public. We don't go off closing down sections of parks for major private profit generating endeavors. Why do this to software too? The GPL keeps ideas open and encourages participation, not to the path of isolation and exclusion.

    2. Re:BSD is the open source model to use. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What we have here are people trying to dictate the licensing of other developers. All government work should be BSD. And this shall be policy. It shall be law. I see where this is going.

    3. Re:BSD is the open source model to use. by ctid · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately this doesn't work in an "ecosystem" where one dominant monopolist can bend the market to its will. Anything that communicates with anything else can be subverted by a powerful enough monopoly. So if Jo Bloggs, government funded researcher, produces a new type of chat SW (call it NewChat) which will revolutionize internet chat, we can all use it under BSD. But if MS "improves" it subtly (by changing protocols) and incorporates NewChat Plus! in the latest version of XP, our taxes have been used to extend their monopoly, because anyone wanting to use NewChat Plus! has to buy MS Windows. And NewChat falls into dis-use because MS's monopoly is so complete. Note that MS doesn't need to make NewChat any better; they just have to change it enough and then incorporate it as binary-only into their OS. And everyone who funded Jo Bloggs to create her SW gets to pay twice to get the benefits of the work.

      --
      Reality is defined by the maddest person in the room
  31. Re:Procurement people are least qualified to procu by Global-Lightning · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Tell me about it. About three years ago, four of our servers were at the end of their useful life and needed to be replaced.
    After doing some intensive research, we found a package that satisfied our current and future needs. Top of the line dual processors, maxed-out memory, dual RAID controllers, the fastest harddrives, etc, at quite a nice price
    So we write up the paperwork and send it off to the procurement folks. About 9 weeks later (this is considered blindingly quick in the federal govt) The boxes finally arrive. Upon opening them, however, we discover these aren't the systems we requested. They had less memory, and more importantly, no RAID nor harddrives. We contact Procurement to let them know there has been an error. A week later, they call us back to inform us that there was *no error*. It turns out they took our request, and duplicating our effort, researched what was available. Taking it in their hands to decide what was best for us, they found and ordered these 'comparable systems'. Total savings: $39 per server.
    Long story short, we had to purchase everything else we needed seperately. Your tax dollars at work...

    The procurement system in the government has long been known to be broken. It's a system that was designed for the industrial age to acquire massive quantities of commodity goods. Applying this obsolete system in the 'Information Age' betrays its shortfalls:

    • Beaureucratic documentation and approval processes that adds no value. What they succeed in is adding weeks and months (and sometimes years) to the procurement cycle.
    • This system inherently favors large corporations over any other source. Instead of overhauling the process, the government tinkers with legislative band-aids such as small and minority business requirements
    • By design, the people with the knowledge to make intelligent purchase decisions are not allowed to make the purchases!
    The problem is that no one with any real influence has a true desire to fix it. While elected leaders decry waste and inefficiency, most of those wasted dollars is spent in someone's district. The beaureucracy doesn't want to change the system since it creates jobs which are a nightmare to eliminate. Lastly, the system creates a strong 'profit motive' for large business to work with the governent since inflated purchase prices go directly towards the bottomline.
    In the end it's just another means of creating pork, only much more difficult to see

  32. What Every Parent Should Know About Linux by GafTheHorseInTears · · Score: -1

    What Every Parent Should Know About Linux

    What is Linux?

    Linux is a type of malicious computer program commonly known as a "Trojan Horse", which is similar to the more common "virus" program. The Linux program was written by a small group of communist hippie perverts, who wrote it as a means of satisfying their sick sexual urges.

    Unlike a normal virus, which spreads from computer to computer without human intervention, a trojan horse program must be run by a person using the computer. In most cases, a child is contacted online by a Linux predator, who first tries to establish friendship and gain the child's trust, then provides him with the Linux program and encourages him to install it. Once installed, Linux destroys all programs and user data on a computer, and makes the computer system nearly unusable. In severe instances, the normal graphical computer display is broken, leaving only a crude text display on which commands must be manually typed.

    This is where the Linux predator's plan becomes the most insidious. When the child complains that his computer is unusable, he is first shamed and made to feel stupid; then, he is encouraged to attend a "LUG" meeting. Allegedly, "LUG" is an acronym for "Linux User's Group"; however, authorities have heard Linux predators using the expressions "Little Underage Gonads" and "Lube Up, Guys!" In any case, once at these "LUG" meetings, children will be expected to perform sex acts upon the middle-aged Linux predators, in exchange for rudimentary instructions on how to "use" the Linux program.

    Is my child at risk?

    Yes. All children are at risk, although male children are obviously at greater risk due to the predominance of homosexuality in the Linux "community".

    What can I do?

    First and foremost, you must monitor your child's computer activities. Make sure you know exactly who he is chatting with online. Check the browser history frequently; In particular, you should look for the web sites slashdot, OSDN, and NewsForge. These three sites are the primary message boards where Linux predators plan and discuss their molestations.

    Often times, children who are experimenting with Linux will communicate using code words; unfortunately, unsuspecting parents will often assume this is nothing more than harmless "computer talk". Some samples of this code, along with the translations, are given below:

    • I need to recompile my kernel
      Translation: I wish to masturbate to homosexual pornography
    • Do you have the latest patch for Apache / Sendmail?
      Translation: May I perform oral / anal sex upon you?
    • Did you see that article about RMS on Slashdot?
      Translation: Last night I performed my first rimjob (an act of homosexuality too disgusting to describe here).
    • Has that code been released under the GPL?
      Translation: My rectum is still bleeding from the homosexual acts performed at last night's LUG meeting
    • Dude, Microsoft totally sucks
      Translation: I do not even use a condom when performing acts of sodomy

    If you believe that your child has been experimenting with Linux, you need to take immediate action. Turn on their computer and allow it to boot; if it does not load the familiar Windows "start" screen, TURN THE COMPUTER OFF IMMEDIATELY. It has been infected with the Linux program. You will need to retrieve the Windows installation disk which came with your comptuer, insert it in your CD-Rom drive, and run the "resintall" procedure. This is the only way to return your comptuer to a functional, usable state. If your computer is more than one year old, it is recommended that you purchase and install the latest version of Windows; see your local authorized software retailer for details.

    Finally, write your congressman. I know this is shocking, but due to a technicality in the law, the Linux program is currently legal. Contact your congressman and demand that he take steps to close this ugly loophole, so that these Linux deviants can be put behind bars, where they belong. The future of America is in your hands. God bless you all.

    --
    "You're just scared like a little white pussy. I'll fuck you till you love me, you faggot!"
  33. Peru and OpenSource by opkool · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hi,

    Peruvian Congressman Villanueva has proposed this law (in Spanish. Use the Fish) that will change the way Peru buys its software. The origin of the Law and it's "travel" within the Peruvian Congress is in this timetable

    Congressman Villanueva's Law will ask for any software to be bought by the Government of Peru to provide data in open formats. It will also ask for the source code and the hability to modify the code, to adapt it to the necessities of the Peruvian Republic.

    The idea behind this is (liberal translation from Spanish):

    "We, the Governemnt, cannot allow any company -foreing or domestic- to ship software that can hide spyware. We, the Government, cannot allow a private company to own the data that belongs to the People of Peru. We, the Government, have special needs and obligations: provide the best 'bung for the buck', allow any Peruvian to audit the source code of our applications to make sure there's nothing hidden that endangers Peru, and to make sure that the data is available even if we change the software supplier. Any software that do not abides by this law will not be used by any Peruvian Government agency".

    Also, check what Microsoft Peru had to say about it. And what Congressman Villanueva answered to them.

    Go, Peru!

    1. Re:Peru and OpenSource by _UnderTow_ · · Score: 1

      provide the best 'bung for the buck'

      Isn't that what a lot of prostitutes try to offer?

      I know this is off-topic and possibly even trollish, but hell, what's the use of having karma if you don't spend some every now and then.

  34. the Bill Gates rant... by caduguid · · Score: 2

    Thinking of the latest Bill Gates rant this makes sense.

    Right idea, but reversed.
    It's more like... thinking about this, the latest Bill Gates rant makes sense. The last thing billg wants is for the broader public interest in licensing terms to become a public procurement policy question. His rant was a response to the threat of discussions like this, not the other way around.

    1. Re:the Bill Gates rant... by deepfoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agree.

      You know what is really, really odd about all the Microsoft ooga-booga attempts to scare people is that it is really unsophisticated. It always points back directly to their paranoia, their agenda. I wonder why people don't see that?

      Of course Open Source is going to hurt him. It already is in South Korea where the government has punted Windows. Sure, it's not much, about 100K seats, but it's a start.

      Same thing with the EU and even the UK where government bodies for the first time are required to look at open source alternatives in the bidding process. That's right, they were not before. And we know that governments generally (perhaps ours excluded) have to go with the lowest bidder of acceptable quality.

      Gates must be crapping his drawers for reasons we already know. He should thank his lucky stars that desktop/client-side Linux has not takne off. Otherwise he would already be face down in the pool.

  35. Spreading the use of open source in the public by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the ways to spreading the use of open source is volunteer your time with non-profit organization that needs technical help. For example in Atlanta GA, there Georgia Center for Nonprofits.

  36. The process isn't designed for open source by Bowfinger · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Background: I have some experience with government IT procurement. I worked for a state agency several years ago. I was responsible for several UNIX and PC-related procurements for my agency since those were my areas of IT responsibility. Then, because I had both technical expertise and experience with our procurement process, I was part of several procurement committees for other agencies and for state-wide contracts. These activities were all led by a centralized purchasing group.

    In my experience, the purchasing process itself discourages open source software. This isn't through malice, and it isn't even necessarily that management needs someone they can make responsible for problems. It's more of side-effect of the rules established to ensure open and fair use of public money. Other jurisdictions have their own rules with their own quirks, but I'll bet a lot of my experiences are common to others.

    For example, in order to be invited to submit a proposal, the vendor usually needs to be on the state's vendor list. The state requires this to be sure that vendors are qualified and legitimate - they don't want some bureacrat's buddy to hijack a bid through inside information. To get on the vendor list, a company must usually approach the state and provide qualification documentation. Large companies have sales and marketing groups that seek opportunities like this. They follow up with whatever is necessary to become a qualified vendor, just for the potential chance to be approached and asked for a bid someday. Open source interests don't have the resources to do this on a wide scale.

    Another obstacle for open source is the proposal process itself. When we issued an RFP (Request for Proposal), we typically provided dozens of pages of requirements and specifications. To ensure a level playing field for all vendors, every vendor had to provide a response for every one of our requirements, and every vendor had to rigidly follow every rule: deadlines, format of response, number of copies, and often some sort of up-front money as a performance bond.

    As you can guess, responding to an RFP can be expensive. You can't just mail in a brochure with a price list. A compliant response routinely required 50 to 100 pages of information. A response to a major RFP might contain two or three binders full of information, much of it custom-written to answer our specific questions. Even worse, we required that the vendor submit one complete copy for each person on the procurement committee, as many as ten or twelve copies (up to 36 binders total). In other words, responses came in boxes, not envelopes. That's a lot of up-front expense for a slim chance of giving away software.

    Other hurdles included mandatory in-person vendor conferences for each RFP, extensive reference requirements, contractual and legal requirements for vendors (are open-source interests prepared to certify EEO, ADA, OSHA, etc. compliance?), and on and on. In short, a massive bureaucracy of rules, regulations, and requirements, all enforced to make sure that the government agency can document that their public dollars are spent fairly and effectively.

    The paradox, of course, is that this process is so burdensome, it actually only rarely results in effective use of money. Even worse, because the process is so convoluted, it is more ripe for abuse by insiders who know how to play the game.

    The good news is that it is possible to bring open source software into government. The whole procurement mess only takes over when you try to buy products. If someone within the organization takes the initiative to make a decision, to select, download, and implement "free" (as in beer) software, there is no purchase, so there's no purchasing process. For example, while I worked in government, I brought in sendmail and Elm for our e-mail system. (I also had a lot of fun with Nethack, but that's another story.)

    If you want to use open-source software in your agency, your best bet is to just do it. The formal purchasing process is heavily slanted towards expensive products from large companies with deep pockets. Your only other hope is getting someone like IBM to propose the open-source software as part of a package of hardware and services.

    1. Re:The process isn't designed for open source by ProsperoDGC · · Score: 1
      I think your argument is specific to selling product. Open source has much greater penetration and potency in distinct network layers. Consequently, open source is really applicable when you're selling services (as we do).

      I write proposals for IT work in the Federal government. We sell services to several agencies, mainly focused on web application development. When we propose a solution, we look at what the needs are and devise an appropriate response.

      The response takes the form of saying, "We'll use product A, product B, and product C, and we'll customize them to serve your specific requirements" (because every agency needs its commercial software customized). Any of those products could be open source: the server OS, the database, the development platform, the application server...

      And because they're open source, we're often less expensive than our competitors (who might use, say, WebSphere when we'd use JBoss). Price being a big consideration in government, this is significant.

      Our company trades on our 'technology agnosticism.' We're partnered with Microsoft and Oracle (and IBM, to some extent), but we pick and choose the best software for the job. We've already used MySQL, Linux, PostgreSQL, J2EE, and all sorts of other open source technologies and tools to complete projects for the government.

      Of course, we also use Oracle and Microsoft when we need to. Introducing these products is important to government when they want assurances of accountability (even though those assurances are completely mythical most of the time; do any of us know of any instance when Microsoft has said, "Yeah, sorry about your failed project. Our marketing folks kinda overstated the capabilities of our product"??). Combating this kind of management thinking takes more than technical argument. Confidence in open source will take time and experience to build. We can only help that along by using open source wherever we can in the meantime.

      Right now, open source cannot compete if it's a marketing dogfight based on product. But it can compete when technological and cost constraints are analyzed closely.

  37. UNIX? by globaljustin · · Score: 1

    Your points about UNIX are taken i guess, but the point of my comment is that the ordinary government user will have difficulty using OS/software that isn't like the one on their home PC that they use to write their resume or check espn.com. The majority of the population does not know what UNIX is let alone how to use it. That's the main reason the gov't can't switch to something like UNIX.

    --
    Thank you Dave Raggett
  38. The Italian government doesn't like open source by an_mo · · Score: 1

    Believe it or not, the following announcement [in italian] from a branch of the italian government asking for system administration / OS software explicitly says they are not interested in open source products.

    No comment.

    1. Re:The Italian government doesn't like open source by opkool · · Score: 2

      What a shame!

      I browsed through the Microsoft Word document and it says in two places "the operating system cannot belong to the OpenSource type ".

      Even, though, IMHO Linux could really do the job (support for Webspher, RISC architecture, JFS, 5 aprtitions, big amount of RAM...).

      Crazy!

      Also, wasn't there an initiative in Italy to try to move away from Microsoft products? I remember reading something about it.

  39. Re:Procurement people are least qualified to procu by Jonathan · · Score: 2

    Yes, idiots second-guessing you are annoying, and this even happens in the private sector -- it's happened to me -- but you have to understand why this second step is needed. Say your brother Joe owned a computer store. What would stop you from putting in requests for Joe's servers at inflated prices?

  40. RFP writers often can't write. by mgkimsal2 · · Score: 2

    We ended up NOT responding to an RFP recently precisely because it was too expensive to do so. Part of our response would have been the inclusion and customization of GPL and other open source software, but the RFP seemed to discourage that.

    It also seemed to discourage critical reading.

    Here's a sample of some questions which needed addressing (keep in mind that the RFP was really designed to get services out of people, because regardless of what anyone was saying, *everything* needed to be customized):

    Question #4
    What OS does your product run on?

    Question #15
    What operating systems do you support?

    Question #23
    We require products to run on NT and/or AIX.

    The last question there wasn't even a *QUESTION* - it was a statement. This was a rather large organization, and to not even be able to write a coherent document spoke volumes about the potential crap we'd have had to dealt with. I felt like replying that yes, our product runs on NT (3.51) just to get a reaction, but I doubt it would have been received well. :)

  41. I don't get it by stdPikachu · · Score: 1

    I read that article, and got very scared - I've just bought a new 52x CD ROM, and apparently this'll make my AOL disc explode!!!!!

    So I glued the CD to a small dinner plate to strengthen it, but it wouldn't fit in my drive until I hammered it in.

    But this didn't work anyway (it wouldn't read the damned CD, and I put in in the right way up and everything), and now my CD drive is broken. Don't buy 52x CD ROMs, they're dangerous!

    --
    They have computers, and they may have other weapons of mass destruction.
  42. BSD not Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    As long as they choose BSD over *linux, they are doing the public a service in choosing free software. If they choose an OS that sets back the state of computing with unstable VM and networking and that continually reinvents the BSD wheel, then they are not doing the public a service.

  43. Cygnus / RedHat Support Models Can Work by billstewart · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Yes, the "We'll just download it off the internet" model isn't very confidence-inspiring to a government procurement officer, and it doesn't provide the necessary chain of responsibility to get things fixed. Businesses often have similar concerns about using it. But there's a fix for this - Open-souce support companies!
    • Cygnus, one of the originals, provided lots of custom support, ports to new hardware, driver development, etc. This model works well for customers that need more customized support. Of course, they've been bought by Red Hat.
    • Red Hat and similar mass-market operating system packaging companies provide uniform environments for customers that need uniformity rather than customization. It's supported at least as well as Microsoft, because in addition to the random developers in the background, there are people at the packaging company who develop pieces that are needed for the mass-market install&upgrade market as well as doing extensive testing. ... Ok, maybe this is a bit optimistic (:-), but I haven't had Linux crash on me even weekly, compared to at least daily for most Microsoft OS's, and keeping the kernel and the window system separate means that even though I've seldom had a window system crash on Linux, it does much less damage than a Microsoft Windows window system hang, and somehow vi and emacs never carried viruses like Word and Excel, and /bin/mail and its more clueful GUI friends never got into the rampant virus epidemics that Exchange / Outlook get.
    --

    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  44. POSIX tried this in the 80s by billstewart · · Score: 2
    Back before we had open source operating systems, we had Unix and its relatives, and the Posix standards were developed as an industry-neutral platform for developing portable Unix applications. The US government adopted Posix support as a standard requirement for all computer purchases - hardware had to run Posix, and application software had to run on Posix. It was easy to get waivers for it, so everybody did, and eventually Microsoft built some Posix support on top of Windows NT so that procurement people could check the box on their contracts saying they'd met the requirement without actually having to use it for real applications.

    Too bad, especially since Microsoft Office hadn't really taken over the world - Word was popular, but so was Word Perfect, and both were relatively ugly and usually character-based WYSIWYG rather than fully GUI-based.

    --

    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  45. Get to WORK!! by MrBrklyn · · Score: 1
    The problem in getting Federal procurement and local procurement are different and need to be looked at separately. But the big trouble in getting either procurement is essentially the same. Very few members of the Free Software Community is either prepared, interested or capable of placing Free Software into Government with the kind of labor that such an effort requires. And the result is that Free Software users are suffering badly at the hands of proprietary software companies willing to invest in the effort to gain these important contract.

    In the case of the Federal Government, the Website http://www.fedbizops.gov/ is an archiac maze of half understandable requests for bids, which require a decent project manager to target and follow up on. It might take 2 people nearly full time to navigate this sites IT requests and to follow these up. Is it possible for Free Software groups to actually work through this process? Why yes. But it's a lot of work, and it must be initially done without pay. LUGS would need to organize to hammer on this. And that's the rub, Free Software users are essentially lazy unless a project stimulates them.

    In addition, Free Software leadership seems to be uninterested in the economic interests of Free Software users. They seem to believe that if anything other than 'Freedom' is motivation to work with software that it undermines the movement. I hope that someone can begin the process of showing the FSF, and other groups that you must look after the economic interests of Free Software users if you are to protect and guarantee the 'Freedom' that Free Software is to guarantee. If people are to be enabled and Free to use Free Software, then they MUST have REASONABLE choices and opportunity to opt for using Free Software, and that means the WORK MUST BE DONE, and the economic benefits must be properly doled out to supporters in the trenches of the Free Software movement.

    With NYLXS in New York, we are desperately trying to address these issues, and in fact, the paper, "The Path from Here" is written to largely address this issue and rally the troops. Let's all hope that we NYLXS and tohers succeed in their efforts, and that Free Software can become truly unshackled and the economic engine it's founders envisioned

    Ruben

    --
    http://www.mrbrklyn.com/amsterdam.html http://www.brooklyn-living.com
  46. Has MS Antitrust Case Impacted Vendor Qualif? by jck2000 · · Score: 1

    From my limited familiarity with government contracting, I know that being found to have violated certain laws can cause a vendor to cease to be qualified to be a government contractor. Does anyone know whether the MS antitrust charges have had any impact on MS' status as a qualified government contractor (U.S. federal, state or foreign), or whether any actions have been taken to permit them to qualify despite the antitrust charges?