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Hubble Data Says Universe Is 14 Billion Years Old
no reason to be here writes "New data from the Hubble Space Telescope suggest that the age of the universe is approximately 14 billion years old. Read this press release for more info."
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"What can a thoughtful man hope for mankind on Earth, given the experience of the past million years? Nothing." -Bokonon
finding the oldest stars puts astronomers well within arm's reach of calculating the absolute age of the universe
...May 14th?
Well I have a 1/365 chance of that being right!
It is official; NASA confirms: the Universe is dying
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered scientific community when Berkeley confirmed that Universe inhabitability has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all stars. Coming on the heels of a recent NASA survey which plainly states that the Universe has lost more inhabitability, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. The Universe is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by falling dead last in the recent Living Times comprehensive livability test.
You don't need to be an Einstein to predict the Universe's future. The hand writing is on the wall: the Universe faces a dark future. In fact there won't be any future at all for the Universe because the Universe is dying. Things are looking very bad for the Universe. As many of us are already aware, the Universe continues to lose brilliance. Red dwarfs are flowing like a river of blood. The Milky Way is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core supergiants.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
Andromeda Galaxy leader Neo states that there are 7000 stars left in the Andromeda Galaxy. How many livable planets in the Crab Nebula are there? Let's see. The number of Andromeda Galaxy versus Crab Nebula readings on SETI@HOME is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Crab Nebula inhabitable planets. Horseshoe Nebula readings on SETI@HOME are about half of the volume of Crab Nebula readings. Therefore there are about 700 inhabitable planets in the Horseshoe Nebula. A recent article put the Milky Way at about 80 percent of the Universe market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 inhabitable planets in the Milky Way. This is consistent with the number of Milky Way SETI@HOME readings.
Due to the troubles of Grand Overlord Bush, abysmal immigration and so on, the Milky Way went out of business and was taken over by Virgo who sell another troubled galaxy. Now Virgo is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that the Universe has steadily declined in inhabitability. The Universe is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If the Universe is to survive at all it will be among interplanetary dilettante dabblers. The Universe continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, the Universe is dead.
Fact: the Universe is dying
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I don't cary what you fancy-schmancy tele-scope in space says - Jack Chick says the this here universe is only 6000 years old.
Excuse me, while I go back to the trailer.
Moneyed corporations, non-working 'poor' and criminal prisoners are turning productive citizens into tax-slaves.
How do they (or you if you're an astronomy type) resolve stars of that age with the distribution of matter right after the big bang? Shouldn't things be much more homogenous and not as "lumpy" if the big bang were true?
"Tiffany, honey, sweetiepie, hello? Wake up baby girl." Tammy said as she was nudging me to wake up. As I opened m y eyes I saw her smiling down at me in my crib. I stretched and yawned and then relaxed a minute and tinkled a lil bit in my diaper. "Hi Tam Tam" "Good morning Tiffy. Did you sleep well?" I nodded my head. Tammy picked me up and laid me on the changing table and took off my jammies and my rubber pants. She then unpinned my diaper and wiped & powdered me. She then put me in a disposable diaper and put my church clothes on me. I was wearing a pretty yellow dress with little white flowers as a trim around the border.
I sat in my highchair as Tammy fed me my breakfast. I started to squirm around in my highchair and make faces. "Honey, are you doing what I think you are doing?" Tammy asked. I blushed and nodded. "ok then let me take you out of your highchair and lay you on the couch and let you go poo. She picked me up and laid me on the couch. Mom walked into the living room after getting dressed for church. "What are you doing laying on the couch silly, did you eat? "Yeah mom, I just fed her, but she's doing number two in her diaper, that I JUST put on her 10 minutes ago." "I sowwy Tammy, I didn't know I had to go. "Oh Tiffy, its ok. It's not your fault. Just finish so I can change you again. Mom went and got her breakfast. She came back and I was still laying there. "Honey are you still making poo in your diapers?" I nodded. "Gosh she's taking a while to go this time." Tammy said from the kitchen. Finally Tammy finished eating her breakfast and came in to the living room. "Ok little didee pooper, are you done making poopers in your baby pants?" I giggled and blushed at her. "Come on let's go change your dipees and wipe that yucky poo hiney ok?" She carried me to my changing table and proceeded to change me.
A few minutes after that, we got in the car and went to church. Tammy and I sat in the backseat and mom and dad were up front. We pulled into the parking lot. As I was walking with Tammy I saw Emily and her mom. "Hi Tiffany." She yelled from across the courtyard. I smiled and we met up and went to our Sunday school class. Tammy went over to the teen class and mom and dad went to the adult class.
We had a great lesson and got to do some drawing. I drew a picture for Laura. She still wasn't feeling to well. I was sad to see her sick for so long. When they asked if any of us had a prayer request I asked the class to pray for Laura to get better. We did that and then left ot go into the sanctuary for the morning service.
We sat down and the service started and we sang songs and the preacher preached a great sermon. Tammy stood up again and gave her testimony about what Jesus had done for her on Wednesday evening's service. A few others testified as well.
We left the sanctuary and a lot of people were talking outside the church and Emily & my parents and us kids were gonna go out to lunch together. I always liked going to lunch on Sunday because we always ate really good food.
I wet my diaper a lot and so I needed to be changed during lunch. So did Emily. Tammy took us to the bathroom to change our diapers. "Who wants to go first?" I looked at Emily and she told me to go first because she had ot finish something in her dipees. So Tammy changed me and we waited while Emily loaded her diaper. She didn't do a lot and it was a quick change and then Tammy washed her hands and we all went back out and finished eating.
On the way home from the restaurant I got sleepy. Tammy was tired to. When we got home Tammy went potty and then came into my room. "Hey Tiffany, you wanna take a nap with me?" "Yeah, I am tired." "Ok let's go then. Get your bear and come to my room." No, I want my big pink bunny." "He's too big to fit in my bed with both of us silly." "But I want my pink bunny." "Oh ok bring bunny with you then.
When I walked into her room she was putting on shorts instead of her dress. Mom had already undressed me and put me in casual clothes earlier. I was carrying my enormous pink bunny rabbit with me. "Help Mr. Bunny get in bed Tam Tam." I tried to lift him onto the bed but he was so big and bulky that I fell on my tushie. "Aww. I got Mr. Bunny so come up here and cuddle up with me ok little one. "Otay." I crawled up on the bed and got under the covers. Tammy was to my back with her arms around me holding me. My head laid back on her chest and she could lay her chin right on top of my head. "Hey your chin is bony." "Oh Sorry lil baby." She patted my head softly."
I wet my diaper and squirmed a bit. Tammy noticed and she put her hand on my diaper and fixed it cuz it was sort of bunched up and to the one side. "Thank you Tam Tam." "You welcome lil baby, no go nite nite for me ok sweetiepie." "Otay me will." I well asleep and we both slept great. All snuggled up in Tammy's bed with that big soft pink bunny rabbit. I felt like the meat in a sandwich; I had Tammy behind me, and I was holding the bunny in front of me.
Mom came in and woke us up for dinner and we had some leftovers. After I ate I asked If I could go over to Laura's house and take the drawing that I made in Sunday school. Mom told me I could but I had to be back before dark. Tammy changed my squishy wet diaper and put me in a nice thick cloth one with my rubber pants and a short skirt. This way I would not have to be changed until I got home.
I walked down the sidewalk over to Laura's house. I rang the doorbell. "Hi Tiffany, how are you?" "I am doing good. Is Laura feeling better yet? "Yes, she is getting better, but I will keep her home from school tomorrow to make sure she is all back to health again." "Oh, well, I will miss her." "Aww you and Emily are so sweet. I am glad that you two are her friends. Why don't you come on in, she's in her room." I walked into the house and down the hall to Laura's room.
"Hi Laura." "Oh Hi Tiffany!" We both hugged each other. "I heard you are getting better." "Yep I am. But I not coming to school tomorrow." "Yeah, I know, your mommy told me that." "I've been really bored lately. I also been sort of sad. But when you and Emily brought me the cards you made for me that really cheered me up." "Good, I am glad. Anyway, um, I have something for you now too. Here you go." I handed her the drawing I had made in Sunday school. "Wow Tiffany, that is so neat. Thanks. She hugged me again. The picture was of Jesus kneeling at Laura's bedside and holding her hand. It also had angels in the background hovering above her.
We sat and talked a while and then Laura had to get her diaper changed. After that we both had ice cream. I noticed it was getting dark. "I have to go home because mom wanted me to come home before dark." "Ok, I will see you Tuesday then." "Well, maybe sooner. Emily and I will come see you after school tomorrow, ok?" "Yeah, that'll be great. Thank you so much." Laura walked me to the door and said goodnight to me. I walked home and Mom asked if I had a good visit with Laura. I told her yes and we talked a few minutes then mom took me to get my bath. Tammy was busy working on something for school that was due the next day.
Once I was bathed and diapered and put in my jammies, I gave mom and dad a hug and kiss goodnight. Then I went to Tammy's room and told her I was ready for bed. Since Tammy was busy more often with school stuff she couldn't always get me ready for bed, so when mom gave me a bath or got me ready, then Tammy would make sure she got to tuck me in. That way I felt better. Tammy and I said our prayers together and we thanked God that Laura was feeling better and thanked him for the good day we had at church. Tammy then read me a story and I dozed off to sleep with my soft pink bunny.
Make sure you click the introduction link to see the dim stars in context (globular cluster).
Message to stsci.edu:
You disappoint me greatly. The ascii character for an apostrophe is 39, and the ascii character for a double-quote is 34. Your press release contains some out of range ascii values (>= 128) for these characters. Using graphically similar but semantically incorrect characters lowers your prestigious institute to the 31337 H4X0R level.
very amusing.
Isn't there a fair possibility there are even cooler dwarfs out there? I mean, increasing exposure time is one thing, but if the amount of emitted energy by a star is very small, we should increase resolution to spot it.
I just can't believe the researchers were capable of spotting EVERY white dwarf, especially the ones that emit the smallest amount of energy.
You do not exist. Go away.
What the Hubble measured here was not the age of the universe, but the age of the oldest stars we've seen in it. Those stars were measured to be 12-13 billion years old, based on their temperature.
Different Hubble measurements, based on redshifts, figure that the universe is 13-14 billion years old.
This is good, because older calculations had suggested that the universe was actually younger than the oldest stars in it, which makes zero sense, and caused all sorts of wacky hypotheses.
Since the first stars would have formed about 1 billion years into the universe's formation, it means that we have rough agreement (to, uh, one significant figure) between two independent calculations on the age of the universe. Actually, a lot of other theories come into play here, including a very complicated model of how white dwarfs work.
So this measurement provides evidence for a whole host of theories. I love it when a plan comes together.
The Hubble telescope can talk? I've never heard of a talking telescope before. Forget all of the mechanical problems, those guys who engineered Hubble really DID know what they were doing!
"Drugs aren't the answer. Unless the question is, 'What isn't the answer?'"
But we can only see so far with the Hubble. Wait until we get a larger telescope up there that can gather more light and see the light from stars further away. We might change our minds.
if he is in line with the Word of God. I haven't seen him err from the path. You might have faith in your theories but I have faith that what God says is true. Namely, salvation comes thru Christ Jesus. The C-14,universe's age,limits of universe questions are not what is more important. The most important question is Do you absolutely know that you know where you are going(if anywhere) after you die? Do you think your soul just....ceases to exist??? Don't take a gamble my friends. Jesus(God in the flesh) died on the cross and took on our sins(wages of sin is death((hell)) so that we wouldn't have to go to hell. Heaven is attainable, very much so...but only thru Christ. Being a 'good person' isnt' enough else why would the Lord die on the cross for our sins? It even says : Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. How do i get saved? Romans 10 9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. 11As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."[1] if you believe that Jesus died on the cross for your sins, realizing that you alone can't be saved, if you do this and confess Him as lord you are saved!! lilmacumd@yahoo.com email me if you'd like
I wonder what "light" the VLT will shead on this once the interferometer is fully operational.
Does anyone know? Can the VLT be used to gather this kind of data?
'inflammable means flammable? what a country!'
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Is this the MPAA? Is this the RIAA? Is this the DMCA? I thought it was the USA!
Perhaps things aren't so different today - many people, while benefitting from more widespread, comprehensive education, still haven't received much meaningful religious or spiritual education. Spiritual education is where sex education was fifty years ago, one of the last bastions of ignorance in modern civilization.
But nevertheless, the audiences for spiritual messages cover an enormous spectrum, ranging from those who still seem to need the simple messages from thousands of years ago, to those who are capable of understanding far more complex and ambiguous truths. It's difficult for these groups to communicate between each other, and most attempts to do so are futile - just as attempting to teach sub-atomic physics to a jungle-dwelling Aztec might be futile, or the Aztec's attempt to explain their theory of human sacrifice to us.
The amusing thing is that we have to tolerate these spiritual cavemen, for their indocrinated beliefs are unshakeable; yet they continually attempt to "convert" us, demonstrating a lack of tolerance which actually goes against the religions they claim to espouse. I used to find this annoying, until you realize how truly sad it is.
My heart goes out to anyone trapped in a network of 4000 year old propaganda, which is so closely enmeshed in our social structure that only the most intelligent and self-aware can find their way out of it - only to realize that it does perhaps serve a strange social purpose, and that we don't really have any good candidates to replace it. Ah, the human condition...
But hey, at least we know that the universe is 14 billion years old - that's something, right? Sigh... :)
Just wait a few months and some astronomer is going to say X billion years.
;).
The "universe younger than stars" was funny tho. Dunno why they threw that one out