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Slashback: Agenda, Reproduction, Aesthetics

Lots of updates, amplifications and followups in tonight's Slashback. Clones are on the way, the Agenda Linux-based PDA isn't quite dead, Gates' testimony is online, (surprize!) Hollings' so-called privacy bill could have a very different upshot, and much much more. Read on below for the details.

I can't be dead -- I still have batteries! Bill Kendrick writes: "Just when you thought the first Linux-based PDA was dead and gone, someone announces a compatible version, the STVR3 from Softfield Technologies (who actually did the hardware design for the original AgendaVR3). Only $105 for the 8MB, and $135 for a new 16MB version. Not bad if you want a bash prompt in your pocket, and can't afford the $500 for a Zaurus!"

De gustibus non est disputandum. An Anonymous Coward writes: "Mosfet has posted a reply to Bart Decrem's interview regarding Bart's comments on KDE and its looks. Mosfet explains how KDE has a very elegant system for users and developers using the flexibility of C++ and Qt, which creates a more consistent look and feel. He makes many good points that developers and users often disregard when considering desktop environments and their toolkits. Good read, expecially for those who participate in the 'Desktop Wars.'"

Borrowed at gunpoint, but spent much more freely. blankmange writes: "CNet is carrying a followup to a story that was posted here not too long ago. The State of California apparently ordered too many licenses for Oracle's database software: 'A top official in California Gov. Gray Davis' administration has resigned in a growing controversy over a $95 million software contract with Oracle. Barry Keene, director of the state's Department of General Services, quit after a highly critical state audit said the contract--awarded without competitive bids and for software that is little used--could cost taxpayers $41 million.' Sounds like there may be more resignations and a further investigation."

I wish Gary Trudeau would run a few strips skewering these presumptuous bureaucrat wastrels, prodigal even by the standards of the public trough.

Welcome to my secret underground lair. ceswiedler writes: "Salon is running a story that Sen. Hollings' new Online Personal Privacy Act 'would place a congressional stamp of approval on precisely the kinds of practices that purveyors of spyware are eager to engage in.' The writer is particularly concered with the 'nonsensitive' information clause, which is 'a huge gaping loophole' for companies like KaZaA and Brilliant Digital."

Science greatly ups my odds of reproducing. Transcendent writes: "I just recently read an article at SpaceDaily about how there are three women due to give birth to clones. Italian Professor, Severino Antinori, told reporters that two of the women were from the former Soviet Rebublic, and one from an Islamic country. They're keeping specific details from the public, but it's still a huge shake to an ever-changing legal, scientific, and moral society."

A bedtime story for very, very bad children. tulare writes: "Microsoft is hosting Bill Gates' written testimony online. At 42,000 words, it's not neccessarily light reading, but to their credit, it is nicely indexed. Probably a must-read." Also good for European insomniacs to start boring through.

Lobby your library. Lots of readers inquired where they could find copies of The Computer and the Skateboard . Filmmaker Paul David writes: "DVD copies of this movie will be ready to ship in mid-may. The Cinema Guild website will be e-commerce ready by June 1. If you would like to order a copy before June 1, The Cinema Guild will take your order over the phone: (800) 723-5522 or (212) 685-6242. dvds for home use are $59.95. vhs copies (for home use) are available for $79.95."

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  1. Is it just me, or.. by Bowie+J.+Poag · · Score: 3, Funny



    Does "Sharp Zaurus" sound like something a Mighty Morphin Power Ranger would have?

    Cheers,

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    1. Re:Is it just me, or.. by DarkZero · · Score: 3, Funny

      My first thought: A Mega Man X villain.

      "Storm Eagle! Volt Catfish! SHARP ZAURUS!!!"

  2. Re:California get shafted by AmigaAvenger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Umm, California didn't get shafted, California happily gave it self the ready and willing shaft. (Must like they have done with their recent power situation...) Being the largest state is an advantage, only if you aren't a Californian...

  3. Gates is delusional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I was at Microcenter today. In the clearance section of the book department were stacks of Gates's book Business @ the Speed of Thought -- two bucks a pop and no takers. I wonder who the F**K thought up that corny title. It probably was an MS think tank composed of 100K/year MBAs.

    But for his money, why anyone would care about Gates's thoughts on anything is beyond me. He is sort of like a third world despot with a couple nuclear weapons. If it weren't for the weapons, no one would give a flying F**K what he had to say. I'm mean, hey, it's not like Gates is an Einstein. Say what you will about Richard Stallman, people listen to RMS for his provocative ideas, not because he wields some great financial power.

  4. Privacy by EricBoyd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Privacy is one of those issues where you should watch what people do, not what they say. Everyone *says* they value their privacy online and off. But almost everyone also gives away their privacy for the smallest benefit - like 5% discounts at your local grocery store, in exchange for them tracking everything you ever buy from them...

    I'm convinced that until people actually start acting the way they talk, privacy online and offline will continue to get worse.

    **If you value your privacy, don't give it up for small discounts, or extra convenience, or anything!**

    Websurfing done right! StumbleUpon

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    1. Re:Privacy by fahrvergnugen · · Score: 5, Informative

      **If you value your privacy, don't give it up for small discounts, or extra convenience, or anything!**

      Or even better, just lie to them.

      When my grocery store raised the prices 10% and then offered me a 5% discount if I'd get a membership card, I just lied on the application. According to my card, my 20something white male self is actually a 60-year-old black mother of 6 grown children named Frieda.

      The best way to sabatoge that kind of invasive system is to simply feed it bad data. Enough bad data in the database, and it becomes useless for predicting the buying habits of my demographic.
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    2. Re:Privacy by MrHat · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The Grocery Store Card HOWTO
      April, 2002
      1. Visit the store at the busiest time of day. At least around here, that's 5:30pm or so. Right after work, but before everyone goes home to sit on the couch, drink whisky, and generally get 'tore up'.
      2. Pick up a loaf of bread or similar staple food.
      3. Find the line whose length appears to be increasing the fastest. Typically, these are the 'express lanes'. They're not 'express' (nor really even 'lanes'), but people seem to think they're quicker.
      4. When you get to the very front of the line, ensure there's a line of angry customers wrapped all the way into the next aisle.
      5. As the total pops up, tell the cashier: "The manager told me you have those cards at this register." Point at the bread. "I need one for this." Glare back through the large line.
      6. Watch as the cashier succumbs to peer pressure and gives you a card from the stack in the bottom of his drawer. Not like he wanted your personal information anyway.
      I've done this on several occasions. In the stores that have the automatic cashier machines, you can cut out the barcode and just carry it. Give cards away to your friends, tape them to telephone poles, whatever floats your boat.

      Then delight in the fact that you've won, at least for the time being.
    3. Re:Privacy by quokka70 · · Score: 3, Funny

      According to my card, my 20something white male self is actually a 60-year-old black mother of 6 grown children named Frieda.


      Why would anyone name all 6 of their children Frieda?

    4. Re:Privacy by Phroggy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Everyone *says* they value their privacy online and off. But almost everyone also gives away their privacy for the smallest benefit - like 5% discounts at your local grocery store, in exchange for them tracking everything you ever buy from them...

      When I give information to Safeway, I know exactly what information I'm giving them, I know they're tracking my purchases, and I know that if I don't want them to track a particular purchase, I can simply not use my card.

      What I don't know is whether Safeway might sell my personal information to a third party, without my awareness or consent. I'd like for this to be illegal unless I opt in.

      Aside from that though, I WANT Safeway to track my purchases. I want them to see what I buy. I know that the people collecting this data don't really care about me personally, I'm just a statistic - but I have no objection to being a statistic for them. What are they going to do, use my shopping habits to make my food more expensive? I don't think so.

      It's like the paranoia people have with targeted TV commercials. If targeted ads mean I see more commercials for IBM and Apple and Jack in the Box and Attack of the Clones, and I don't have to see commercials for tampons, I'm all for it. If tracking my purchases enables Safeway to sell me more of the food I want for less money, great.

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    5. Re:Privacy by Darth_Burrito · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hmmm Krogers (midwest grocery) gave me 2 cards and 2 keychains. Let's see, one for my friend in Columbus, one for my sister in Dayton, two for me in Huntsville. That's odd on tuesday all he got was fruit/veggies/morning star hamburgers. On Wednesday he came back for 10 pepperoni and sausage frozen pizzas and 4-12 packs of cherry seven up. On Wednesday he came in for Milk, OJ, Bread, Lunch meat, hot peppers, and cheese. Hey, where does this guy live?

    6. Re:Privacy by zulux · · Score: 3, Flamebait

      Why would anyone name all 6 of their children Frieda?

      They all have diferent last names.

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    7. Re:Privacy by rgmoore · · Score: 3, Informative
      But they can still link the club card to you via the info on your credit/debit card.

      So pay cash. It's not that hard, you know, and if you keep your receipt you can still have records of your spending habits. If you really value your privacy, cash is definitely the way to go.

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      There's no point in questioning authority if you aren't going to listen to the answers.

    8. Re:Privacy by mcrbids · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Lying doesn't work. All that does is not allow them to trace anything to you personally.

      What makes you think they care about you?

      What they are looking for with these cards is associations like:

      1. People who buy Reddenbocker's popcorn prefer Brand X Ice Cream
      2. People who buy generic milk do/don't buy generic soda.
      3. What do people buy when they just run in for a gallon of milk?


      They *MIGHT* pay attention to the racial/ethnic information you filled out, but knowing its accuracy is going to be *alot* lower than the computerized records of what was bought, they'd give alot less credence.

      here is an article coving a study to determine relationships like these.

      This information is used for product placement, promotional offers, and in negotiating contracts with suppliers.

      The ethnic information, though less accurate, is still going to be accurate enough to sway decisions for advertising and promotion...

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    9. Re:Privacy by Peter+Harris · · Score: 3, Funny
      Their profiles will become more and more useless if they see "me" buying things in four different states, sometimes a woman other times a man.
      It is illegal in most states to purchase either a woman or a man. Or were they senators?
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  5. argh... by Iamthefallen · · Score: 3, Funny
    Also good for European insomniacs to start boring through.

    Aaargh, damn you slashdot, damn you!
    This will now be my 3rd pot of coffee today...local time: closing in on 2.30am

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  6. Hollings bill doesn't go far enough... by curunir · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It seems that if anyone should get how to deal with people's personal data, it should be someone who cares deeply about protecting the content industry.

    Simply put, my private data *is* property in the same way that N'Sync's newest crapfest is property. When I give my information to a company, it is analogous to the record label selling an N'Sync CD. I have given my information to them and they have limited rights as to what they can do with it. If they sell my data to another company, it's piracy in the same manner as if a consumer were to rip a cd and AIM it to his/her friend.

    I'm always amazed at the amount of corporate types who will rant about people pirating music/software/other content yet defend a company's right to use my private information however they choose. I'm also surprised by the number of people (much of the /. crowd, I'd imagine) who believe that there isn't anything wrong with trading copyrighted oggs/mp3s but will blast a company for doing something nasty with people's personal data.

    Pick one or the other. I'll take privacy.

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    "Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!"
  7. Ugly Icons by rgmoore · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Is it just me, or is this whole thing about KDE being ugly a tempest in a teapot? I thought that it was quite clear from Mr. Decrem's comments that his biggest objection to KDE was that the icons were ugly, not that the software itself was in any way bad. He specifically said that he thought that KDE could improve itself a lot just by making the icons prettier. I'm inclined to agree, and I'll even admit that one reason that I chose (and since have stuck with) GNOME over KDE was that I thought that KDE just wasn't aesthetically pleasing. Is there really a need to write an elaborate reply article just to answer the complaint that the icons could use some work?

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    1. Re:Ugly Icons by pcardoso · · Score: 3, Insightful

      KDE should default to *everything* cool.

      Good Icons, window decoration, styles, fonts, everything, at the expense of more memory and cpu usage. A bit like windows, really, but simple and elegant, like windows 2000, not garish and irritating like XP.

      Like me, those who know how to change their desktop to look prettier, also know how to make it faster and with less eye-candy. The opposite is not always true, no matter how simple it can be done.

      I really like my kde3 desktop with Ikons and the Keramik style. It's gorgeous just to look at. It's not very fast, or snappy like windows2k feels on the same computer, but it's very beautiful, and nevermind that this is just release 3.0. I expect the same speed improvements as those that followed the 2.0 release.

      I really want the desktop icons to cast shadows on the desktop, a bit like Ximian Gnome does. I'm a coder and I would make it myself, but where to start in all those kde/qt source files?

  8. PDA news requirements by DarkHelmet · · Score: 5, Funny
    In the words of a friend of mine, you can't mention the words Linux Portable Device without some knob saying how awesome it would be to have a "Beowolf Cluster of These".

    When they make Linux clusters out of cellular phones, that'll worry me. You could destroy a building by programming 15000 portable devices to beep at the same time.

    Just remember that the power to do so is insignificant next to the power of the Force.

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  9. Re:California get shafted by rossz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You are a moron of the highest order.

    The facts about illegal aliens.

    They take shit jobs no one else wants, e.g. backbreaking farm work. They pay taxes (taken out before they get paid), but never file for refunds (which most would be entitled to if they did file). They don't use medicare and such, because they are afraid they will get deported if they do. The same is true for all the other "freebies" that you mention.

    If illegal aliens disappeared form California, vegetables would rot in the fields, grocery prices would skyrocket, and the economy would probably be crippled.

    We need them. They need us.

    Until you spend a season picking artichokes in the central coast, you can just shut the fuck up, you racist asshole.

    Go ahead, moderate me down. I don't care.

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  10. Re:Something is rotten in Denmark, err, Ontario. by JabberWokky · · Score: 4, Informative
    ...uhhh... and which company *makes* the VR3s for Agenda? Softfield. That's why they are also selling all the component parts for the unit as seperate items (you can email them and order just about any little fiddling bit, and they have prices listed for the screen, the case, etc.)

    It looks like most wholesale/manufacturers who dabble in direct sales... if you order low run chipsets or oddball components, this is pretty standard. If you approach them with a $5 million order, they'll handle you differently... like Agenda. I'm not worried about the unit itself, but I don't expect much support. On the other hand, the niftiest thing is that the sync CD only supports Linux. Anybody else notice that?

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  11. I *LOVE* Americans! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Let's BAN human cloning. It's immoral.
    But let's pump trailer park trash FULL OF FERTILITY DRUGS and watch them pop out septuplets and call it a MIRACLE.

    ALLELUJAH!!!!

  12. Just what we need! by deadhammer · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Science greatly ups my odds of reproducing

    That's just great! We're already running 6 billion, by 2021 there'll be 7. That's what we really need: More people.

    Why can't we just work with what we got?

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    I'll be honest, we're throwing science against the wall to see what sticks. -Cave Johnson
    1. Re:Just what we need! by gregfortune · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why can't we just work with what we got?

      Have you taken a look around....
      ah, never mind ;o)

  13. Re:... Damn.. by s390 · · Score: 4, Flamebait

    Why on earth do people freak so badly over this concept? A clone (theoretically) is no different than an identical twin.

    Let me put this in perspective for you. Research with animal clones has shown them to be less hardy, prone to obsedity and other syndromes, and overall less healthy and shorter-lived. Now, ask yourself if you would really want to do this to... yourself. I personally think its unethical to do this even with animals. Even animals deserve dignity.

    How would _you_ like to be a clone? Imagine growing up knowing, or finding out later, that you're a replicant, and your death-clock is ticking faster than others'. Haven't you ever seen Blade Runner? I think outlaw researchers cloning humans should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity (their "products"), placed against a wall, and shot.

  14. Re:... Damn.. by gregfortune · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Let's say, for instance, that someone wanted to produce an army of blond haired blue eyed men to take over the world... Now, the biggest problem is getting the army built and to do that, children must be born. That could take a long time if you just used the population of one country (ie, the country struggling for dominance). But now let's suppose that you could offer to feed the women of an impoverished country if they agreed to carry a baby for nine months. Poof, population explosion.

    Or, let's say that the wealthy would like clones made of themselves and then when the clone reached a certain age, say 25, they would be killed and their bodies harvest for doner organs. By your own admission, these clones are real functioning people, but they could be in a situation where they are raised like cattle rather than like people. Don't believe me? Consider this, money talks, period.

    And the possible scenerios go on and on...

    Of course, it will probably happen and we can only hope that some kind of equal rights law gets passed someday, but even that probably won't prevent discrimination.

  15. I'm critically ambivalent by Eponymous,+Showered · · Score: 3, Funny

    Probably a must-read.
    That's a screaming endorsement. I'm critically ambivalent about whether to follow it. I'm bristling with excitement that it may be somewhat non-boring.
  16. Softfield cutting Agenda out? by CamelTrader · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Visit the Agenda page. Now click on the "BUY IT!" button. You will see that the VR3 retailing for $250.00. Another note at the bottoms warns you "available after June 1, 2001".

    So, is Softfield doing their own thing with this? Or has Agenda kicked the bucket and forgotten to update their web page?

    [QVC GUY]: How can the savings be THIS PHENOMENAL?? how can Softfield undercut Agenda by nearly ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS??

    Anyone know?

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    1. Re:Softfield cutting Agenda out? by Jay+Carlson · · Score: 3, Funny
      Probably because agendacomputing.com is a ghost site, not actually belonging to a functioning US company.

      For you Boy Scouts out there: Please don't go pestering the web hosting company. There's useful stuff around in various staff member home directories. I think it's all been mirrored now, but still.

      If you bring down the site, I will personally stand outside your house with a megaphone, and appropriate gesutures, shouting:

      "IMAGINE A BEOWULF CLUSTER OF THIS!"
  17. Need Undocumentados? Propaganda! by cmholm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    More facts about illegal aliens:

    1) The kids are filling schools to the bursting point, requiring more support than their parents indirectly paid taxes begin to cover.

    2) Since they avoid the medical system as long as possible, they eventually cram the emergency rooms and increase the system's budget deficits.

    3) They artificially drive down the going price for labor in an ever expanding sphere of occupations. I don't see many artichokes in bulk mail shops, fast food joints, non-ag warehouses, or janitorial operations, to name a few. They ARE good workers, and that's just the point. Af_Americans were a pretty good labor value when THEY were bought and sold, too. By your logic, if wholesale chattel slavery keeps the lettuce from rotting, it's a good deal.

    4) They take pressure away from the fat cats in Mexico and Central America to do much about their own inequities.

    5) Sure, if you ripped every last undocumented worker out of their job tomorrow, it'd screw things up. If I ripped every open border apologist out of their job, it'd screw things up too. When's the last time a labor market changed overnight? Right, never. The economy would adjust, probably for the better.

    Take your racial bull-baiting somewhere else. You want a reconquesta? Then give Mexico back to los indios.

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  18. 640K Memory by chuckw · · Score: 3, Funny

    At 42,000 words, it's not neccessarily light reading, but to their credit, it is nicely indexed.

    Well it's good to know that his speech will fit in 640K of memory...

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  19. Don't Forget... by Greyfox · · Score: 3, Interesting

    To trade that card out with like-minded folks every so often. That'll further mangle the data in the database, leaving them with no idea what the hell the person regitered to the card is actually into.

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