Jordan Hubbard Resigns from FreeBSD Core

SteelX was one of many readers to cite this story in the Daily Daemon News which reports that "Jordan Hubbard is resigning from the FreeBSD core. Jordan is a founding member of the FreeBSD project." Note: According to this email, Hubbard is definitely not quitting FreeBSD; he's just changing the nature of his involvement with it.

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Well, thanks Jordan

[Dirty Pickle]

You've done me nothing but right.

Thanks a million for all your hard work.

Re:Well, thanks Jordan

[Anonymous Coward]

Late 70s? Try early 80s. Most of BSD's real innovations (sockets, Internet daemons) were in that decade. And yes, it was a major step up from AT&T UNIX at the time. It was the birth of the Internet as we know it today.

Before the posts get out of hand...

[Anonymous Coward]

1. BSD is NOT dying. Trolls are not even dying. Right now, *bsd has, due to apple, a larger install base than even linux. Both will grow; both are good.
2. Read the article before posting. Read it. Did you read it? All of it? Really? OK, then take this article quiz:
   1. What is the "core team"?
   2. How long has JKH been on the core?
   3. Where does JKH currently work?
   4. Will JKH be replaced? Where on the net can you find procedures detailing this process?
   5. Do some research. How many people have been removed from the core? How many people have resigned from the core? What happens when a person quits the core team?
   If you got a 50% or better, then you've read the article, did a google search, read some more, and likely have something to say that is not a rumor, falsehood, or a profound misunderstanding.

Re:Before the posts get out of hand...

[jo42]

The main reason I don't like Linux is because it doesn't have a core team. The main reason I don't like Linux is because it has 101 different distributions.

Have you ever tried to release a significant piece of software with 101 different target platforms that vary so much? The reason Microsoft became such a success was because they provided the software developer a stable, standard platform to target (then Microsoft got its head up its arse, but that is a different topic). As long as Linux is such a raging mish mash, it will never become a success. FreeBSD, due do its development style, has the ability to surpass Linux as the alternate desktop OS to Windblows. However, the issue here is, that too many people have their heads up Linus' gaping arse to grok.

Re:Before the posts get out of hand...

[frost22]

One of the things I like best about GNU/Linux, the operating system, is that it doesn't have a core team

Well, you might be in for a surprise. There will be a day, when you read on Slashdot: "Linus quits kernel maintenace". And at that point, if Linux doesn't have a core team, Linux will be in trouble.
Yes, I know. "X" will take over, "X" beeing Alan Cox or Matt Welsh or another of the handful of persons assumed to have sufficient standing with the community. But even if that works - Linux names him successor - it will work only in this first iteration. And I doubt even that.

f.

Now the real work begins

[ablair]

I think it's actually good news for *BSD that Hubbard has quit core. Besides wasting his talents on administrative tasks, he obviously didn't like the squabbling anymore. Now someone with managerial enthusiasm can move into his core position, and Jordan can focus on what he does best for *BSD - contribute good code. A good deal all around.

Re:A question for freebsd people

[Dirty Pickle]

"If you want to give Linux a run for it's money, you can't just sit on your butt."

You've got it all wrong, these aren't businesses. It's not a competition. Nobody wants to see the other guy go under. It's all about cooperation.

I think the lack of BSD projects is best explained by the huge number of Linux projects. Linux is cool, it's flashy, it goes with your gucci shoes, baby. It excites the hell out of people, which is a really good thing. Lots and lots of projects get created.

FreeBSD, on the other hand, isn't so exciting. There's not a fire under anyone's ass to get things done, since things are working pretty well as is.

I could be wrong, and if I am (even just a little bit), I'm sure someone will by kind enough to point out how.

Oh, and if this was a troll, bravo. No offense or anything, it just kind of has that ring to it.

Re:A question for freebsd people

[archen]

That sort of depends on your definition of "cool software". If you mean by, software that is exclusive to FreeBSD, then probably there isn't much. Generally the vast majority of Open Source stuff that's worth anything (in MY opinion) works under FreeBSD, it's just that FreeBSD and every other BSD falls into the "other Unix type OS". Usually the only other drawback is that you have to wait a little while (week or so) for tweaking to get someone that releases something that compiles nicely under FreeBSD - or even better a package. With linux binary compatability there are even more things that you can run with a minimum of hassle.

Re:A question for freebsd people

[Anonymous Coward]

"If you want to give Linux a run for it's money, you can't just sit on your butt."

You've got it all wrong, these aren't businesses. It's not a competition. Nobody wants to see the other guy go under. It's all about cooperation.

You've both got it wrong. We (I speak for all of us, and the other ussesses know who us is) don't care about Linux any more than to offer some compatability.

You guys go on and try to topple Windows. Maybe you will, maybe you won't. We're content to have a stable OS on the DT that can't be beaten when it comes to heavy volume servers.

I'm not trolling, but if you guys ever have to maintain a box (not just a developer's workstation, or a play machine at home)... a full on mission critical server, you will find yourself securely seated with me in the BSD camp.

That is, if you can convince the powers that be to let go of Sun for a minute or two.

Anyway, FreeBSD is going somewhere. It will keep going towards that somewhere, regardless of what you think, or who nVidia releases drivers for, or whatever. BSD's community has a different spirit and you won't understand it until you look into it.

You're half right...

[NoMoreNicksLeft]

It's not a competition. Agreed.

There isn't a huge number of linux projects (please read on before modding as troll).

There also isn't a huge number of BSD projects.

Actually, most of these projects... GNOME, KDE, etc... are pretty kernel/distribution independent. Remember, linux is only the kernel. Most of what you think of as linux, is GNU software. And it's all pretty portable, to a certain extent, even to windows (barf).

Linux and BSD don't compete for projects, they share them.

Slightly offtopic: What's with the "bsd is dying troll" variant that claims BSD lacks SMP? Will the next version claim that BSD has no keyboard support or shell prompt?

Re:A question for freebsd people

[MavEtJu]

You are comparing the Operating System with Applications (except for the RedHat thing)

Gnome: application, works fine under FreeBSD
Mozilla: application, works fine under FreeBSD
The Gimp: application, works fine under FreeBSD.

No cool software for it.

What is it you are missing? Groupware? Last week I installed Evolution, without problems. Keep in mind, all these well-developed 'Linux' applications are actually well-developed 'Unix' applications and run under every Unix-like Operating System.

So, next time please consider: Linux (any distribution) is nothing more than Unix-like, *BSD (any flavour) is nothing more than Unix-like and *x (any commercial version) is nothing more than Unix-like. And they all are capable of running the same software, just ./configure-and-make-install it!

Edwin

Really. Thanks jkh.

[juuri]

If it wasn't for Jordan, FreeBSD would really be dead. Many of you don't remember because you weren't around but when jkh started working his ass off on FreeBSD it was a pile of stinking refuse. This was during the time of the rising linux kernel (around rev .99? or earlier?). Unix on peecees was not pretty and not in way reliable. I worked at one of the first small ISPs (this was when Gopher was king) and a coworker convinced us to migrate from linux to FreeBSD because of some really bad linux fs bugs at the time (INN+linux was asking for trouble).

We never looked back. Over the years I've built at least 50 servers based on FreeBSD and at least that many based on linux. I've found them both to be reliable and good enough for commercial use but thanks to jkh and his pragmatic views on an OS distribution FreeBSD has been the more "stable" OS over the years.

Thank you, Jordan

[benedict]

I don't know if you're reading this, but if you are,
I just want to say: thank you.

Linux vs FreeBSD...

[cbr372]

I used to be a big Linux advocate, unfortuantely it seems that Linux has been becoming more and more unstable. The hundreds of different distributions of Linux all have their pros and cons, but there is no centralised package or ports system. Want a package for Linux ? Ok, cool - DEB, RPM? RPM? That's the most popular. But don't try using a Mandrake RPM or a SuSE RPM on RedHat.

Linux has given up its usefulness for graphical installers and Windowesque gimmicks. The code bloat is unbelievable. Unless you roll out your own distribution or use a minimalist distribution like Slackware, the default installs for RedHat, Mandrake, etc are huge, Windows-like monstrosities.

So what?, I hear you say. Linux is stable and secure. Wrong again. The Lion worm proved that Linux is not as secure as one might believe. The fact that VMs get changed in the middle of a stable release branch (2.4.x) shows bad organization.

It took Linux years to overcome its awful filesystem problems, and now journalling filesystems are available. But speedwise, compared to the FreeBSD FFS, they are slow and cumbersome, and have yet to prove as reliable. FFS Softlinks are a few generations ahead of any journalling filesystem on the market.

FreeBSD is far better organized, the ports and packages collections are better synced and more reliable, the system is more stable and easier to understand. The firewall included with FreeBSD has been proven and has a far better track record than ipchains or iptables, the latter having security problems in its first week or release, the former having no stately inspection and being a complete mess due to its shell-script bound layout.

But Linux has more software than FreeBSD!, scream the Linux die-hards. What they fail to realize is that 99% of Linux software runs under FreeBSD. I haven't encountered a Linux program that didn't run under FreeBSD. Sure, I've heard reports by trolls that certain software doesn't work, but all the software I've tried works, in fact, even faster than the native Linux versions in most cases. To the VMWare troll: Yes, VMWare does work under FreeBSD.

FreeBSD vs Linux is a debate that won't ever be settled, but people who have used both generally prefer FreeBSD for mission-critical tasks. Those who claim that FreeBSD performs worse than Linux either haven't used FreeBSD or are trolls.

I won't say that FreeBSD is the best Unix variant on the market, but the best open source Unix variant? Yes. Solaris is still tops, but in terms of Free (Open Source) systems, FreeBSD is probably the best all-rounder. NetBSD, OpenBSD and Linux all have their respective places, but overall, FreeBSD will probably take over most of the open source server market, at least in organizations with serious management.