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Reason Magazine on DRM

swankypimp writes "The new issue of Reason magazine has an article entitled "Hollywood vs. the Internet: Why Entertainment Companies Want To Hack Your Computer." The author discusses the watermarking of digital television as a springboard to Digital Rights Management on all consumer electronics and computers (as in the recently proposed Hollings bill). While light on the tech speak, it is a good summary of the political agendas behind copyright protection intended for those of us who don't constantly check the "YRO" section."

161 comments

  1. I want cheese. by penguin_punk · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Why am I up? I wonder if the fridge has cheddar.

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    HURD - Hurd's Under Research & Development
    1. Re:I want cheese. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you going to put that on a cracker?

    2. Re:I want cheese. by Carp+Flounderson · · Score: -1

      God damn, if this isn't a great fucking sandwich, I'll be a son of a bitch. Anyone else have a Quizno's sandwich shop nearby? We just got one here in San Jose and I wonder where these assholes have been all my life. Mmmmmmm.

      --

      Color flashing, thunder crashing, dynamite machines.

    3. Re:I want cheese. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
      Hello dear,

      Since you're up, why don't you join me and my hot friends on #30+ Masturbation?

    4. Re:I want cheese. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's with all the SA cross-posting?

  2. bigass ad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    that's a bigass banner ad. what gives?

    1. Re:bigass ad by I.T.R.A.R.K. · · Score: 0

      Didn't you hear? They need revenue to host this steaming pile of shit.

      --

      "Adequacy.org: Where congenital stupidity is not an option, but a requirement."

    2. Re:bigass ad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are you talking about this website? (slashdot) or your momma? cause i hosted yo momma last night. tell her thanks by the way

    3. Re:bigass ad by Grape+Smuggler · · Score: -1

      Nice grammatical skills, and the mom reference was priceless! Keep up the fantastic work, we are all so proud of you.

    4. Re:bigass ad by I.T.R.A.R.K. · · Score: 0

      My mom moves from server to server.
      You were one of seven others hosting her ass last night, so your guess is a good as mine.
      But then, her ass is so fat, she usually sits on three mirrors at a time.

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      "Adequacy.org: Where congenital stupidity is not an option, but a requirement."

  3. Hazaa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    First hazaa!

  4. digital rights management is bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    okay thanks please mod me up i'm tired thanks mod me up digital rights management is bad thanks maybe i'll post something insightful tomorrow but may i have the karma in advance? kthx bye. =) (+1 funny!)

  5. LP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Linux Post

  6. Seriously..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    What's better?

    (a) a copyright infringement project

    OR

    (b) Sex with a mare

    1. Re:Seriously..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (c) Gay shit-sex with a retarded chimpanzee

    2. Re:Seriously..... by TrollBurger · · Score: 0

      Don't complain about lack of choices

    3. Re:Seriously..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right, it should have been a penguin.

    4. Re:Seriously..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i didn't complain about lack of choices

      i fucked yo momma last night and i had plenty of choices. force her to deep throat my cock, lube up her hands and make her give me a handjob, screw her anally, or fuck that loose twat of hers. oh, could you thank her for me next time you see her.

    5. Re:Seriously..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, she said you have little pencil-dick.

  7. 8th uninformative post by Mao+Zedong · · Score: -1

    Thank you.

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    old enough to set the table, old enough to pass the meat
  8. I'm impressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    VERY nice article; they manage to go in lot greater depth than most DRM articles that make it to slashdot. Didn't expect that kind of insight from Reason, which usually just prints libertarian propaganda.

  9. It was coming by odyrithm · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    AOL Warner Brother.. The world of AOL.. here it comes..

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    moo
  10. Annoyed of low qualitiy posts on slashdot ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Join the league against narrow information on the internet !
    Just sign this.

  11. I'm surprised and impressed by nomadic · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    VERY nice article. Goes into greater depth than most CRM articles that make it to slashdot, or at least it seemed that way to me.

    Usually I avoid believing much of anything I read in Reason, as it usually just prints libertarian propaganda, but this time I'm glad I checked it out.

    1. Re:I'm surprised and impressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a big man you are!

      Let me buy you a pack of gum--I'll show you how to chew it.

      Richard Roma

    2. Re:I'm surprised and impressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awww, is that a libertarian with hurt feelings I hear?

    3. Re:I'm surprised and impressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what is so wrong with keeping as much government as possible out of our lives...as the Libertarians profess. Isn't that what we are trying to do with our opposition to all these dumb proposed laws like the Hollings bill?

    4. Re:I'm surprised and impressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Libertarianism does great things to protect the people from government, but it doesn't do enough to protect the people from money.

    5. Re:I'm surprised and impressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Six. Thousand. Dollars.

      Richard Roma

  12. 3rd "I'm impressed" post by Mao+Zedong · · Score: -1

    Wow, I'm impressed.

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    old enough to set the table, old enough to pass the meat
  13. Mutimedia PC's are built for games, movies.. by KeelSpawn · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Look at all the Powerful Mutimedia PCs we have nowdays..Mutimedia PCs are built for high quality movies and games..and it would be sad if that really happens..and..there is a group in hollywood trying to hack our computers? you're kidding me..

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    http://www.palmzone.net
  14. I've got an idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why doesn't Microsoft buy AOL Time Warner. They have the cash. This way Microsoft, now a true entertainment company, would already be able to hack 99% of all computers out there. They are a monopoly you know.

    It would make things all easier, don't you think?

    1. Re:I've got an idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why doesn't microsoft just purchase the united states government. oh wait, they already have. now lets all go back to using windows, internet explorer, and office.

  15. Penguin-power tagged with an ID number! by October_30th · · Score: -1
    Today it has been revealed that these penguins we all love are tagged with a unique number for identification purposes.

    So far there has been no comment from Linus or Alan Cox.

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    The owls are not what they seem
    1. Re:Penguin-power tagged with an ID number! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      >>So far there has been no comment from Linus or Alan Cox.

      Get it straight! That should be Linutz Turdballs and Anal Cocks. Got it?

    2. Re:Penguin-power tagged with an ID number! by October_30th · · Score: -1

      I ignore your pitiful anonyomus coward demands.

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      The owls are not what they seem
    3. Re:Penguin-power tagged with an ID number! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate you you fucking communist pig. You crip towel loving fuck. May the powers that be broker and levy your death unto you so that I may pass feces atop your grave.

      You fucking fucktard. You scum sucking camel dick sucking towelheaded shit monger.

  16. The flaw in the current stance by alnapp · · Score: 3, Interesting
    From the final para
    It may even be the case that, if they were asked, most people would be willing to trade the open, robust, relatively simple tools they now have for a more constrained digital world in which they have more content choices. But for now, nobody's asking ordinary people what they want.

    Isn't this the whole problem with the stance that "hollywood" is taking? Most people will happily pay for content and the few that won't won't destroy the industry. IIRC Home taping Didn't Kill music no matter how often we were told it would.
  17. End of media as we know it.... by Kyzia · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ...or end of profits as the companies know them?

    An interesting point is made by a News Corporation technologist - "music lovers already have gotten out of the habit of paying for records, which means an end to big profits and thus an end to big record companies", and he goes on to say that within five years the music industry will be a cottage industry. Is this really such a bad thing? Part of the reason why MP3 distribution has become so widespread is the general feeling of poor value-for-money associated with buying CDs. It's difficult to feel particularly guilty about copyright infringement when details of how the money you pay gets distributed are publicly available.

    Personally, I'd prefer to pay money directly to a band that I like for their material, rather than line the pockets of record companies and distributors. While historically they might have served a useful purpose in increasing consumer awareness of the bands on their label, and in introducing them to wider markets, that function has been obsoleted by file sharing.

    Media companies should just resign themselves to the fact that the days of large profits are waning, and instead concentrate on ways of inducing people to buy, rather than copy material - lower prices would help, for a start, but also bonus materials. By including, for example, printed material, with DVDs or CDs, it becomes more difficult for someone to obtain more than a partial copy of the work in question, so people would be more likely to buy (assuming the lower price was in effect also).

    1. Re:End of media as we know it.... by Max+Threshold · · Score: 1
      ...or end of profits as the companies know them?

      Radical advances in technology can destroy industries. It has happened before. It will happen again. The only way to stop it is to hold back the technology, and that's exactly what they're trying to do.

    2. Re:End of media as we know it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just cost me six thousand dollars.

      Richard Roma

    3. Re:End of media as we know it.... by ImaLamer · · Score: 2

      Thankfully we will start to see "Mom and Pop" places again.

      Maybe if someone can come up with a sane DRM scheme then artists will be able to distribute their music for profit under a smaller label.

      The problem is that we would have to destroy Clear Channel since they basically control the radio waves (and promotions).

      At least we will be able to filter out those artists who are simply out for cash, the ones who are played on your local KISS FM for example.

    4. Re:End of media as we know it.... by awol · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is the end of "distribution" as we know it. The problem with record companies, is that they don't understand that they have two businesses, content creation and content distribution.

      They have always thought that creation meant distribution and, therefore, by controlling distribution they controlled price (creating scarcity). But the internet has shown that distribution does not need them any more.

      If they are to continue to create content. Think about it, the record companies _do_ pay for content to be created, record deals, producing records etc etc. By extension, the film and television companies are in the same boat. If they are to continue to create content then it must be in a more fiscally responsible way. It is not so easy to subsidies "CrapBand01" with the proceeds from U2's latest album. This is a good thing (TM) since it means that I, who does not like "CrapBand01", (nor U2 for that matter) do not have to pay for their shite content to be produced since the content creater will have to act as the agent of the artist to collect on their behalf and the artist will (might ?) receive a fiduciary relationship from the content commissioner to pay them the receipts they have collected on their behalf. Where is the profit??? well the collection of that money and the management services for which the bands are currently charged are _still_ as valuable as they ever were (how valuable is for the fair market to decide) and so are legitimate expenses to be deducted from the receipts.

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      "The first thing to do when you find yourself in a hole is stop digging."
    5. Re:End of media as we know it.... by mpe · · Score: 2

      Media companies should just resign themselves to the fact that the days of large profits are waning, and instead concentrate on ways of inducing people to buy, rather than copy material - lower prices would help, for a start, but also bonus materials.

      But they might not be "top dog" if they did that. They like being top dog, therefor will do anything possible to defend that position.
      Whilst there are historical precedents for technology advancements rendering an entire section of business obsolete? There don't appear to be any examples of using the law to bend new technology into only working for status quo busines.

    6. Re:End of media as we know it.... by mpe · · Score: 2

      Radical advances in technology can destroy industries. It has happened before. It will happen again. The only way to stop it is to hold back the technology, and that's exactly what they're trying to do.

      Except that they are not trying to hold back technology (which would be something like Japan banning all firearms). Instead they want technology to only be used in ways which make doing what they were doing before easier for them only.

    7. Re:End of media as we know it.... by mpe · · Score: 2

      If they are to continue to create content. Think about it, the record companies _do_ pay for content to be created, record deals, producing records etc etc.

      Only in the sense of the record companies providing a mechanism and venue for that creation. It's the song writers, musicians and singers who actually do the creation...

      By extension, the film and television companies are in the same boat.

      There is often a more obvious demarkation between production and distribution companies here.

  18. No support for pre-DRM media formats. by galaga79 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One thing I found very interesting reading the article, which I had not considered beforehand, was as the author pointed out.

    The digital videos they shot in 1999 may be unpayable on their desktop and laptop computers.

    This is better further elaborated in the following passage...

    There are some problems with this scheme. If Prince-ton computer scientist Edward Felten is right, a watermark that's invisible to the audience yet easily detected by machines will be relatively easy to remove. To put it simply, if you can't see it, you won't miss it when it's gone. Which is why the components of new home entertainment systems probably would have to be designed not to play unwatermarked content. Otherwise, all you've done is develop an incentive for both inquisitive hackers and copyright "pirates" to find a way to strip out the watermarks. But if the new entertainment systems won't play content without watermarks, they won't work with old digital videos or MP3s.

    Now assuming the above is true and consider the worst case scenario of this bill coming to pass. Would this mean all those legitimate MP3s I downloaded from Epitonic and the Star Wars fan films would no longer be playable on new hardware since they lacked a watermark?

    If this the case how would free content continue to exist and operate in this system, as they would obviously have to use watermarks just like copyrighted works if they want to be playable on the new hardware DRM systems. Ofcourse this sort of thing would piss of consumers and even some content providers.

    1. Re:No support for pre-DRM media formats. by kiwipeso · · Score: 1

      I designed a brand logo protection scheme that was based on machine-detectable watermarks 4 years ago. It's possible to make graphics, sounds or movies that can only be played from a website.
      However, you can't be assured that the encryption will prevent someone from taking the decoded content and then pass it along.
      Fortunately, the company I was doing it for stole the idea without realising the weak points in the system.
      Today, 2 companies use it in the NZ banking system and the random number generator is still open to any script kiddie who knows their IP number.
      Digital Rights Management is a joke, only people who live in countries that prohibit strong crypto believe it can live up to the hype.

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      - Kaos games and encryption systems developer
    2. Re:No support for pre-DRM media formats. by einTier · · Score: 5, Interesting
      This is the nightmare I've been dreaming of since the SSSCA was first brought to my attention.

      If the DMCA is any indication, they will stretch this law as far as they can. Don't forget that one of the very things the law states is that the devices must not play unauthorized, copyrighted material. Now, in the distant future, we may have computers so powerful that they can tell what media are copyrighted by checking some huge database -- and they'll probably also know what you're licensed to see and hear (and maybe taste, touch, and smell). Thankfully, computers aren't that powerful yet. So, the only way to keep people from stripping out copyrights or preventing them from playing that illegally copied DVD is to simply disallow the viewing of any non-watermarked media.

      That might be fine for a new DVD-ish player, but it won't be fine when it's your new HDTV. Since your old home movies aren't watermarked, it will see them as "pirated" material. Basically, if this law passes, all your current media will be obsolete overnight, and you'll have to go buy new, watermarked copies of all of it, all over again, if you want to use it on the latest equipment.


      Free content would have to go away. Why? Because no one could play it without the watermark. And, if you can embed your watermark on your home movies, source code, machine code, etc, then it's just a simple matter to embed your watermark directly into the pirated copy that you'd like to watch. You'd just pick up a ripped copy with no watermark off usenet, and then embed your own. So, the only people watching old or new original content will be those with the foresight to keep their old equipment.

      In a sick sort of way, I almost hope one of these laws passes. It'll piss a ton of Joe Sixpacks off, and I'll make a killing on ebay before they finally overturn the law.

      --
      -------------------------------------------------- $665.95 -- retail price of the beast.
    3. Re:No support for pre-DRM media formats. by aussersterne · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's worse than than just losing your home videos... Imagine having to throw out all 300 of your CDs, all 100 of your DVDs, all 100 of your VHS tapes, your current PDA and your current operating system+PC because 1) your CDs aren't "secure" compatible, 2) your DVDs aren't "secure" compatible, 3) your VHS tapes aren't "secure" comaptible, 4) your PDA isn't "secure" compatible and 4) your favorite PC operating system, doesn't implement the proprietary "secure" system (which costs bundles to license) while your existing PC communications and storage hardware won't work with the new "Safe and Secure Signal[TM]" Internet and data streams.

      SO, you spend all of the endless amounts of cash necessary to replace this entire pile of equipment and media, and then you spend it again and again every month, because now you don't own any of it in the free and clear, but you "license" it instead and must keep paying into the central license database in order to have access to any of it -- if you don't pay, you will suddenly find yourself "securely" cut off from what was, once upon a time, media and equipment you had already paid for in the free and clear.

      And meanwhile, the few fat, rich men at the top get richer, watching their personal wealth go from $10bn to $30bn to $60bn to $120bn to $240bn as the "emerging markets" around the world happily donate their (very limited) cash to the same licensing system in order to participate in western pop culture on the one hand and get what was once a free flow of news and information on the other.

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      STOP . AMERICA . NOW
    4. Re:No support for pre-DRM media formats. by lynx_user_abroad · · Score: 1
      If this the case how would free content continue to exist and operate in this system, as they would obviously have to use watermarks just like copyrighted works if they want to be playable on the new hardware DRM systems.

      Free content could not exist, unless it were also simple to create the watermarks, to allow the content to be played. Maybe it will be as simple as dropping it off at the corner drugstore for "processing".

      The ability to create the watermarks is what the proponents to this legislation would like to reserve to themselves.

      Copyright is fundamentally at odds with free speech. Both are important, so both must be balanced. You can't have absolutes on either side.

      I don't think we will go so far as to allow either one to completely override the other. But I do question how far out-of-whack the balance will get before each side realizes they can't live without the other.

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      The thing about things we don't know is we often don't know we don't know them.

    5. Re:No support for pre-DRM media formats. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      The computer is your friend. Trust the computer.
      Traitor Mutant Commies are out to harm the computer. Foiling Traitor Mutant Commie plots is fun! Take your happiness pill now.
      The computer is your friend. Trust the computer.

    6. Re:No support for pre-DRM media formats. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely right----if you think Napster was a big "underground" movement.....if you are correct with your scenarios, the "underground" PC and home entertainment market will be huge.

      People in government keeping forgetting about the obvious: prohibition and the "drug war"

    7. Re:No support for pre-DRM media formats. by Keith+Russell · · Score: 2
      SO, you spend all of the endless amounts of cash necessary to replace this entire pile of equipment and media...

      Here's the dirty little secret Big Media doesn't want you to hear: You can't replace the entire pile! Off the top of my head, I can think of two reasons why:

      1. The Disney Demand trick: What's to stop those media companies from manipulating the market by arbitrarily offering and removing titles? That's how Disney has operated for years. That's how Lucas will sell Eps. 4-6. That's how the entire system will work once they have the consuming public by the balls.
      2. Your camcorder : This is the real killer. Imagine all those videos you shot of little Johnny. The day you brought him home from the hosipital, his first word, his first steps, all those holidays and little league games and recitals, graduation, his wedding, the day he brought your first grandchild home from the hospital.... All of it hidden behind a preprogrammed FBI /Interpol warning screen because your Federal Issue television can't tell the difference between your child's life and a bootleg copy of "Howard The Duck". Of course, you can get it transferred, for a price. Which means that you'll be paying a license fee for your own content.

      I leave you with this frightening unintended(?) side effect. In a worst-case scenario, the United States government will be responsible for approving the manufacture and sale of cameras. Orwell is already spinning in his grave. This should have him redlining a Formula One engine.

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    8. Re:No support for pre-DRM media formats. by spitzak · · Score: 2
      I believe this certainly is the goal of the content industries. There is absolutely no way for DRM to work unless machines insist on a watermark on the content, and that this watermark is extremely hard to produce.

      Another effect is that recording devices will be illegal. Yea there will probably be closed boxes with timeouts: they will not record watermarked data, but will add a watermark to data, and quit playing that data and erase it after a certain amount of time. But the ability to record your own entertainment and distribute it to friends (or strangers) will not be allowed, as these devices could be used to pirate content (by pointing the camera at the screen).

      The real effect of this will of course not be to stop any piracy whatsoever (one stolen watermarking machine is all that is needed), but it will make it impossible for there to be any competing forms of legal distributed entertainment without contracting with the content industries. The RIAA will love this and I very much believe this is their ultimate goal.

  19. Motivations summarized by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Profit, or the lack thereof.

    Now to add 1799 more words and call it a day.

  20. I think we should be free to trade our stuff by kiwipeso · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Let's face it, file sharing only grows the market. file sharing doesn't cost entertainment companies money because people might not buy things they don't hear on the radio or see on TV.
    For example, I have an ebook [13 MB PDF] of The Hobbit & Lord of The Rings. I decided to buy Lord of The Rings because I wanted to read it in the middle of a forest my friend lives in.
    I then decided to see the Lord of The Rings (1) movie a few times, because I like the story and I love to see New Zealand.
    I have actually spent more than I would have if I only bothered to see the movie, so this piracy issue is rubbish spread by paranoid accountants.
    [please note: I live in New Zealand & have been to places where LoTR was filmed]

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    - Kaos games and encryption systems developer
    1. Re:I think we should be free to trade our stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Had you actually bought both ebooks, you would have spent even more money.

      Short arms and deep pockets.

    2. Re:I think we should be free to trade our stuff by kiwipeso · · Score: 1

      The real issue with ebooks is that you want something to read in the car or on the toilet.
      Then the other thing is, how do you get a new ebook in the middle of a forest ? It's not like the nice lady on the next farm can afford to go online for a few hours so that you can get an ebook.
      A better example is MP3's, I have 6 days, 6 hours of stuff. I might buy some CD's if I find them in the stores, but I won't hold my breath waiting for the store to get that album I want.

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      - Kaos games and encryption systems developer
  21. this is very insightful by Adolf+Hitroll · · Score: -1

    Television is a mass-manipulation-media, it can't therefore be reverse-manipulated by the masses or it will lack its expected idiocy.

    Did you know there's a world outside your tv ?

    There are actually real women cooking real food and giving real love to you, if you keep being stuck to the television and gather in a forum to protest whenever some change occur, then, you're already embeded much deeper in the [BigBro world|Matrix] than Quaid was in his Total Recall Dream...

    I guess most of the slashdot crowd are actually too keen on their lack of freedom to just sell their tv and switch the telly off after a hard work day.

    Want me to prove it ?

    Just count the increasing number of tv related subjects during the last 6 months and their increasing number of comments.

    The Paranoia golden globe however belong to the moerators who even think they may censor anything that has a karma below theirs.

    (and fsck you if you attempt to raise mine)

    --
    Smile, don't click...
    1. Re:this is very insightful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      . . . That's why the slightest technical hitch, the slightest slip on the part of the presenter becomes so exciting, for it reveals the depth of the emptiness squinting out at us through this little window.
      -Jean Baudrillard

    2. Re:this is very insightful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      There's an absolute morality? Maybe. And then what? If you think there is, then be that thing. Bad people go to hell? I don't think so. If you think that, act that way. A hell exists on earth? Yes. I won't live in it. That's me. You ever take a dump made you feel like you'd just slept for twelve hours?

      Richard Roma

  22. They don't understand by Disevidence · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "But maintaining that model, in which big music companies play an important filtering role for audiences, depends both on large streams of revenue and on control of copyrighted works."

    They don't seem to understand this point. Most digital consumers notice the irrelvancy of the "big record companies". What we want is direct support of the artist, and paying the artist for their work instead of the majority of a "CD" being used up in overhead. I think most will play fair, if the prices come down and the artist is more fiscally supported, not the farce that is going on now.

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    Think nothing is impossible? Try slamming a revolving door.
    1. Re:They don't understand by mpe · · Score: 2

      They don't seem to understand this point. Most digital consumers notice the irrelvancy of the "big record companies". What we want is direct support of the artist, and paying the artist for their work instead of the majority of a "CD" being used up in overhead.

      This has always been the case whilst there are plenty of fans and fan organisations for singers, song writers and musicians has anyone ever heard of a fan club for a major record company? There might be fan clubs for certain record labels, but that is usually because they are strongly associated with specific artists, record producers, etc.

    2. Re:They don't understand by guacamolefoo · · Score: 1

      "This has always been the case whilst there are plenty of fans and fan organisations for singers, song writers and musicians has anyone ever heard of a fan club for a major record company?"

      Yes. Stockholders. Just because they pay for the privilege of ownership does not make their devotion to their cause any less than one where the support given is intangible appreciation ("love" or "adulation") or financial support in the form of purchasing gee-gaws from an artist.

      Guac-foo

  23. Post Anonymously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll



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  24. Copywrongs! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Copyright rights means that the public atributes to a partie the "monopoly" for publish of a content during a certain time as a trade-off for the publishing of the said content.

    Diferent kinds of content have diferent timetables, but all end with the content become "public domain" when that time ends.

    Nowadays, the publishers are forfeiting they copyright obligations to the public in three ways:

    a) Not re-publishing when the content becomes out of print (thrus, the copyright should fall back to either the author or the public domain if they fail to make a reprint - like 6 months to make it available again)

    b) Not providing the non-crypted version for public domain (one can't be sure that the copyright owners will be around when the content becomes public domain and/or that the crypto used to certify the DRM is publicly available to allow a clear access to the content - and thrus not require reverse engenearing)

    c) By limiting the usage in absurd ways, they are forbiding fair use of the content in ways that overstep consumer rights (like time-shift, format-shift, educational use, accessibilities use, usability oriented interfaces and much more).

    Just my two cents...

    1. Re:Copywrongs! by guacamolefoo · · Score: 1

      "Copyright rights means that the public atributes to a partie the "monopoly" for publish of a content during a certain time as a trade-off for the publishing of the said content."

      Yes. Copyright is a public-sanctioned and government-sustained monopoly allowing an entity the sole right to publish content. The copyright monopoly is also an enormous incentive for individuals to create content. This is content which has made all our lives much, much richer and which, I contend, would never have been created without that incentive.

      The content production/sales process is also subject to extraordinary competitive market forces which have made content, by and large, available extremely inexpensively. If "Star Wars" had cost $1,000.00 a viewing, it would have failed in the marketplace to competing entertainment alternatives.

      Consider also the increase in the diversity and quality of entertainment over a the lifetime of the U.S. copyright framework: What is the value of viewing "Star Wars" at home on your DVD player in surround sound? What would someone have paid for that experience 200 years ago?

      "Diferent kinds of content have diferent timetables, but all end with the content become "public domain" when that time ends."

      This is an assumption. The original copyright periods were, in the United States, relatively short. They are getting longer and longer. I foresee a day when there may well be unlimited copyright periods that are much like fee simple ownership of real estate. They may be bought and sold with ownership extending indefinitely so long as the copyright is not waived (a form of intellectual property escheat) at which point the property would slide into the public domain.

      Like any form of property, copyright exists at the sufferance of government. Just ask China. In the United States, this means (for the non-cynical) that, ultimately, the copyright issue is in the hands of the people.

      "Nowadays, the publishers are forfeiting they copyright obligations to the public in three ways:"

      You should have included a caveat. Your sentence implies that a statement of fact follows. What actually follows is your extremely radical list of proposed revisions to existing copyright law which, IMHO, would largely destroy the market for expensive and capital-intensive creative enterprises such as "The Clone Wars" for instance.

      Your suggestions include:
      1. A duty to publish (what about Emily Dickinson - would you have stripped her of any copyright? When is the work finished and when does your duty to publish begin? Star Wars is arguably still unfinished.

      2. A duty to publish in a format that you approve of rather than a format in which the owner and/or creator fo the content wants to publish content. Does this mean that George Lucas should have to use non-digital filming? This would potentially destroy innovation in presentation of films and video games.

      3. Replacing long-established exceptions to copyright with a much more liberalized scheme which would reduce the ability of the content creator/owner to recoup an investment or to benefit from his/her work.

      As I mentioned above, copyright is purely a function of government and your scheme could conceivably be implemented.

      I believe that such a scheme would prevent the creation of unknown and magnificent works of art in the future. I have no way to prove this, but I strongly suspect that masterpieces such as Ben-Hur, 2001, Star Wars, The Godfather, Apocalypse Now, Indiana Jones, and LoTR would never have been created or would not have been executed as well in a world where your vision of copyright was in effect.

      As a final note, content creators do not need to constrain themselves to traditional notions of copyright when creating works. RMS, among others, has made common a wonderful and valuable new way to use copyright law to encourage free distribution of intellectual property by practically mandating its free use as opposed to limiting that use.

      Content creators who are intellectually opposed to our current forms of managing copyright are free to opt out of the current structure. I think it is notable that most don't and that most consumers of intellectual property are the ones complaining about copyright.

      Be careful what you wish for.

      Guac-foo.

    2. Re:Copywrongs! by guacamolefoo · · Score: 1

      As a follow-up to my prior post, let me return this thread a little to the original point, which is that "Hollywood wants to hack your computer." Let me state unequivocally that I do not believe that destroying technological innovation is an efficient or wise way to enforce legitimate copyrights.

      I think that the tech community needs to separate the ideas of copyright and technological restraints imposed by government fiat. The existence and respect of copyright laws does not need to involve restrictions on technological innovations. The two can coexist (and occasionally sparks will fly).

      OTOH, I do not believe that content producers are under any obligation to cooperate or look the other way when people take their works without paying and make or distribute perfect, or nearly perfect, copies of those works without compensating the owner of the copyright.

      I am not surprised that they are trying to use legislation to protect their property. I think it is misguided and stupid, but I am not surprised and I'm not offended. Small "r" republican government is messy.

      Guac-foo.

  25. Good, concise snippet... by mshiltonj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One way to understand the conflict between the Content Faction and the Tech Faction is to look at how they describe their customers. For the content industries, they're "consumers." By contrast, the information technology companies talk about "users."

    If you see people as consumers, you control access to what you offer, and you do everything you can to prevent theft, for the same reason supermarkets have cameras by the door and bookstores have electronic theft detectors. Allowing people to take stuff for free is inconsistent with your business model.

    But if you see people as users, you want to give them more features and power at cheaper prices. The impulse to empower users was at the heart of the microcomputer revolution: Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak wanted to put computing power into ordinary people's hands, and that's why they founded Apple Computer. If this is your approach -- enabling people to do new things -- it's hard to adjust to the idea of building in limitations.


    Very articulate framing of the issue: control versus empowerment. At first blush, this strikes as the best way to cast the issue to the general population. Nobody likes being controlled, and everyone likes being empowered.

    The other issue, not mentioned in the article, is to manage the issue of the perception of theft. File sharing does not equate to theft. It does violate a license agreement in many cases, but it's not theft. File sharing creates more copies of the same thing, it does not move the thing from possession of person A to to possession of person B.

    I think the tech world is at a distinct PR disadvantage here. RIAA, et al, have done a good job of equating the two. How can the debate be turned around, putting them on the defensive side of things: "This is not about theft, it's about your outdated, draconian licensing scheme designed to limit user empowerment?"

    1. Re:Good, concise snippet... by SmackDown · · Score: 1
      I think the tech world is at a distinct PR disadvantage here. RIAA, et al, have done a good job of equating the two. How can the debate be turned around, putting them on the defensive side of things: "This is not about theft, it's about your outdated, draconian licensing scheme designed to limit user empowerment?"

      one way to go about this would be to hire a bunch of lobbyists. Senator Disney was obviously bought by content industry lobbyists. Why can't the tech industry buy some congressmen to oppose the SSSCA? I don't see this so much as a PR problem as much as a who's got who in who's pocket problem.

  26. Good article IMHO. by heideggier · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Seems to be a pretty fair read, I agree with the statement that studios are not scared with what people are doing now but what they may do in the future. After all most things seem to be avilable on Divx now, albert at a much low quality, whether this stops people going to see the movie is up for interpreation, after all I know loads of people who have seen lords of the rings even though they downloaded the divx.

    I do have a problem with the idea that these copyright measures are able to slow things down (which I sorta read in the article), what you are dealing with is a social problem and not a technical problem, Hollywood can put all the protections they what on DVD's TV etc and some bloke will just crack it as soon as it comes out (the same situation that exists with software) and to date most of their efforts, like SDMI, have been pretty lame. As for legislation, laws are only as strong as a persons ablity to enforce them and who the hell is going to pay attention to one passed, which only benifits large companies, Where there is no policemen there is no speed limit, after all.

    At the end of the day thing like this are only going to annoy honest people.

    Technology has just moved along (like it does) and instead of trying to stop the march of progress media companies have to change there business models to the new market, and not try to maintain the statis quo. CD sales are lower today because time which should have been spent creating a new format to replace CD's was spent lowing production processes and now that industry is screwed. Thanks to DVD's the movie industry may survive (who the hell is going to bother dl a 8 gig movie over the internet when they can just buy it), plus there is the experience of seeing the thing at the local multi-plex.

    At most, all that is going to happen is someone works out a way to link all the Tivo's together, but isn't that what cable TV is today? just repeats after repreats and WWF. If you can't work out a way to make money in a medium where consumers are doing all the work, and even go to the extent of limiting this type of market from developing, then what hope is there for you. Instead of putting your heads in the secure media sand you should jump on the P2P bandwagon.

    --
    Pianist : Some jerk whos taught themselves how to type in rhythm
    1. Re:Good article IMHO. by mpe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Technology has just moved along (like it does) and instead of trying to stop the march of progress media companies have to change there business models to the new market, and not try to maintain the statis quo. CD sales are lower today because time which should have been spent creating a new format to replace CD's was spent lowing production processes and now that industry is screwed.

      Or maybe the problem is that they are simply putting the "wrong" music on the CDs. Anyway these companies still appear to be making rather huge profits...

      At most, all that is going to happen is someone works out a way to link all the Tivo's together, but isn't that what cable TV is today? just repeats after repreats and WWF.

      It's also about who controls what people watch. Viewers would ideally want to choose when they watch, quite likely viewers in the US could also do without having series shown out of order, appearently due to a rating system invented 40 years ago. But the advertising selling model for TV falls over without the broadcaster controlling both timing and geographic distribution.

      If you can't work out a way to make money in a medium where consumers are doing all the work,

      If anyone can work out a way to effectivly directly pay production companies then television broadcasting could become obsolete.

    2. Re:Good article IMHO. by Beliskner · · Score: 2, Interesting
      What we're seeing here is a dying industry clutching at straws for survival.

      Same with the PC industry. With a P4 or AthlonXP on your desk, the only reason you'd want to upgrade that in future is to run Quake VI at 100FPS or whatever. Either that or every Joe sixpack will run ERP, CRM, SETI@home and a Google node on their dekstop. CPU power is so excessive nowadays that old-timers complaining about Java applets' CPU usage get flamed. But the marketing works - the only person that would need a high-end Pentium 4 DDR is for doing hyperspace jump calulations, hence the latest Intel advertisements featuring aliens. Heck Rambus could tag on the ad that,
      "Rambus is optimised for data-intensive SSE2 instructions, such as our hyperspace jump calculations, latency is your friend, latency loves you and therefore DDR hates you." Marketing, marketing, marketing, Bill Gates you really did it.

      Bill Gates to Intel Chairman: Everyone is flaming the Itanium, calling it Itanic, you're a dumbass
      Intel Chairman: Not if Windows XP2 only runs on IA-64 buddy
      Bill Gates: Ha ha! You'll have to give me half your company before I even think about it
      Intel Chairman: hmmm 40%
      Bill Gates: 45% going going
      Intel Chairman: we have a deal
      Intel Chairman thinks *sucker* I'll give him the loss-making part of my company, I'll give him Celeron. Muh ah ah ahhh.
      AMD Chairman: <Krusty the Clown laugh> Bwa ha! Ha ha ha! Ha huh, huhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh </Krusty the Clown laugh>

      To adapt to the new world (if without effective enforcement of SSSSSSCA or CDBTTPPPTBA) the media companies would have to,

      Shock horror, create exciting new content and broadcast it worldwide first, so that if you're downloading it on DivX, you're missing it's Premiere on Sky. Might as well switch the computer off (/. - Noooooooooo my poor zombie processes is gonna die) and sit in front of the TV, watch those ads and make Disney happy.

      Since after the first few broadcasts everyone has the DiVX, the cable channels won't get zip for broadcasting reruns and repeats x million times. Content will have to be fresh.

      In getting fresh new content instead of broadctasing DiVX'ed reruns, we'll see more international programs, upcoming artists - all the good stuff Napster was supposed to introduce. Heck maybe even US would get BBC broadcasts, then in 50 years there will be no more Joe sixpacks, just a whole country of geeks.
      In light of all this, why is the entertainment industry pushing CDBTPPABA? They're forcing us to watch pathetic old reruns again and again, forcing us to wait years before the DVD is released in only certain DVD-regions, creating the demand for DeCSS in the first place. If all content was DivX'ed on first broadcast, then reruns would have no value, only fresh content would appeal to customers - a good thing.

      Pop quiz hotshot: this is an Informative, Interesting, Funny, Trolling flamebait. How do you mod? how do you mod?

      --
      A caveman dreams of being us, the incalculable power and riches. We dream of being Q, then what?
    3. Re:Good article IMHO. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pop quiz hotshot: this is an Informative, Interesting, Funny, Trolling flamebait. How do you mod? how do you mod?

      Well, you make no factual statements, everything is opinion, so it's not informative.

      Everything in your post has been said at least thirty thousand times already on Slashdot, so it's not interesting.

      Funny? Where? The only thing funny about your post is your claim that there's something funny about your post.

      If that was a troll, it was the most pathetic one I've ever seen in my life. Who the fuck were you trolling for, anyway?

      Flamebait? Well, I'm flaming you, so I suppose that one's correct.

    4. Re:Good article IMHO. by Beliskner · · Score: 1
      Well, you make no factual statements, everything is opinion, so it's not informative.
      Everything in your post has been said at least thirty thousand times already on Slashdot, so it's not interesting.
      Funny? Where? The only thing funny about your post is your claim that there's something funny about your post.
      If that was a troll, it was the most pathetic one I've ever seen in my life. Who the fuck were you trolling for, anyway?
      Flamebait? Well, I'm flaming you, so I suppose that one's correct.
      Sir, the famous belief that IT people don't express their opinions and get wiped on the floor by salespeople and managers is what I want to destroy, by, at least, expressing my opinion. You may not value your opinion as an IT professional. But I assure you Sir that the hoardes of management and sales that have brainwashed you the same as Al Qaeda does to it's recruits are wrong. You are an individual, speak out otherwise you'll get a CDBTPPTBA slapped on your forehead. Your opinions *DO* count. As does your democratic vote.

      Managers and salespeople use the same damn stupid semi-illiterate buzzwords over and over. You know a secret - all managers know that Unix is more scalable than Windows, because some geek told them and they remembered it, now with that information they can show they are GOD (that's why they're in sales). But do they actually know what Unix or Windows is? Nope, because otherwise they'll know how little they actually know and then won't have the confidence to talk sh** any more, in other words their career in sales will be over. So if you know something, say it over and over. If Jesus said to some bozo, "Hey I'm Jesus, and I'm the son of God. Well good to get that off my chest, I thnk I'll go sleep now" then we wouldn't have christianity. Read this and be inspired. Amen.

      --
      A caveman dreams of being us, the incalculable power and riches. We dream of being Q, then what?
  27. Deanna Troi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Deanna's ass rammed against the tree and she gave a little squeal of
    pleasure. The big thick cock pushed between her pussy lips, her legs spread
    wide as her firm, tanned ass rubbed against the moist bark of the tree.
    "YES!" she groaned as one large, rough hand grabbed the back of her
    neck, pulled her forward and pressed his lips against hers, his tongue pushed
    deep down her throat. Another hand grabbed one large breast in hand and
    squeezed roughly.
    Worf was fucking her hard and fast, the true Klingon style, it was
    almost like animal coupling. His cock was pushing in and out of her dripping
    cunt faster and faster, their body's slamming together harder and harder,
    faster and faster. His cock slid up and down against the upper wall of her
    cunt, as he pushed hard against her the base of his cock grinded against her
    pussy and clitoris, driving her crazy with desire.
    "FUCK ME!" she screamed and he continued pummeling into her, he
    growled like an animal and grinned ferociously, he lowered his face towards
    hers and she snapped up at him with her teeth, a large grin on her face, he
    pulled back in surprise, then he began to laugh.
    "Are you sure you're not part Klingon?" he laughed in his deep voice
    and stepped away, his cock pulled out and she mewled in disappointment. He
    grabbed her by the arm and pushed her to the ground, she felt his large hands
    grab her asscheeks and pull them apart, she spread her legs in anticipation
    and raised up her ass, squealing in excitement as she once more felt his
    thick cock pushing into her dripping pussy, spreading her pussy lips and
    filling her to the hilt.
    Hands grabbed her waist and suddenly he was pushing in and out of her
    again. She rammed her own ass back against his heavy hips, they moved in
    perfect counterpoint to each other, as he pushed forward she moved back, so
    he was always ramming hard against her.
    "FUCK ME! FUCK ME YOU BASTARD!" she screamed and Worf grunted in
    approval, this was the way he wanted women to act, not some meek, tiny little
    thing who let out little gasps or whines, but a woman who fucked him back as
    hard as he fucked her.
    "YES!" he cried, banging her faster and faster, ramming against her
    perfectly formed ass, pushing her forward and back with each stroke, her tits
    rubbing against the grass, she cried out in pleasure and suddenly she was
    cumming, hers hips bucked back and forth, her juices seemed to explode out of
    her, sweat dripped from her body and she let out a moan of excitement. As
    she collapsed down against the grass, finally fucked out and Worf knew it was
    time to cum. He stopped holding back and began sliding in and out of her
    faster and faster, driving her now incredibly sensitive cunt wild with
    excitement, and then he was pumping cum into her as he came, squirting semen
    deep into her.
    He had proved his dominance over her by making her orgasm before he
    did, this was extremely important for Klingon men to do, a Klingon male was
    judged on how well he could fight, how well he could command others and also
    how well he could fuck.

  28. good article by GutBomb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    one of the best articles on the subject that I have seen at slashdot lately.

    The PC I have now plays DivX files, mp3's and everything else just fine. I download my share of media from the net, and I am sure if they start putting watermarks in TC shows, the warez community will find some way to strip it out and make it availalbe, but the downside is that the new pc's that come out after this watermarking technology will not allow you to play unwatermarked content. I will therefor keep my current working PC as an entertainment box. By the time this happens, my PC will probably not be the one I want to use on my desk anymore, but it is more than capable of playing Hi-Res divx, mp3's and such. Tis would be the time i set up my roll-your-own PVR

    One final problem though. Tecnology overlap. they launch all of this new watermarked content. No one is going to have PCs capable of playing the content. Why would anybody buy a PC that can only play watermarked content before the content becomes availalbe. They would be unable to play any content since none of the exiting content would have watermarks. Also, after the content is available even if some people upgrade to the newer stuff, not everyone will unless there is a VERY compelling reason to ditch all thier old working content in favor of getting ONLY the new watermarked content.

    1. Re:good article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      You filed it, it went downtown, now you owe me the car.

      Richard Roma

    2. Re:good article by moncyb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ... the warez community will find some way to strip it out and make it availalbe, but the downside is that the new pc's that come out after this watermarking technology will not allow you to play unwatermarked content. ...

      Ahh...the beauty of this woud be that the warez community would come up with a way to create the watermarks, and you could view the "pirated" content even on new computers. You just wouldn't be able to transfer or record your own original content (not your child's first steps, family reunions, or that cheesy home made movie you and your friends slapped together). Then we would truely be under control of the mega media corps! The next step: implant chips in everyone's head--just like in Syndicate Wars. Have a nice day. ;-)

    3. Re:good article by Beliskner · · Score: 1
      Ahh...the beauty of this would be that the warez community would come up with a way to create the watermarks, and you could view the "pirated" content even on new computers.
      Or maybe Osama bin Laden could create the watermarks so that only his diciples could see the content. Boom boom boom and completely untracable.
      --
      A caveman dreams of being us, the incalculable power and riches. We dream of being Q, then what?
    4. Re:good article by gwoodard · · Score: 1

      Scenario 1:
      Back alley shops building blackmarket computers from smuggled Tawainese mobos.
      Scenario 2:
      "You mean that if I have Windows XP 2005 on my computer I have to pay a dollar every time I read Slate, but if I have Redhat 12.0 I can watch every movie ever filmed from that server in Tobago for free?"

      This could be fun.

  29. The effects on home recording studios? by philkerr · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Would the introduction of widespread DRM hardware mean the end to home recording studios?

    As the article points out "Just as computers make it possible to create remarkably pristine images, they also make it possible to make remarkably pristine copies" .

    By the same definition "Just as home pro audio equipment is capable of creating music, they also make it possible to duplicate music".

    I remember the introduction of SCMS crippled DAT recorders, which effectively killed off a nice media for semi-pro musicians (D2D was too expensive then).

    I can see the reluctance of studio hardware and software manufacturers to introduce this technology as it will clearly impact on sales, but will it mean the end of OpenSource applications because *you* can remove the DRM components?

    Scary

  30. Beverly's surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Beverly stepped through the black door and stared in wonder at the
    massive orgy going on. All around her men and women, women and women, women
    and toys, men and women and women were going at it, fucking each other with
    desperate abandon. She heard a groan of pleasure in a familiar voice and
    looked to her left, Deanna was lying on a table, her legs dangling over the
    side, while Worf gripped her waist and was pounding into her with his huge
    cock.
    "Oooh shit yeah!" growled Beverly in wanton lust, her eyes crawling
    over Worf's muscular body, then moving down to Deanna's large breasts, which
    were bouncing up and down as Worf fucked her hard. Her eyes continued up to
    Deanna's beautiful face, glistening with sweat, her mouth wide open as she
    let out gasps of pleasure.
    "I got to get it!" moaned Beverly, her hand by now shoved between her
    thighs, working three fingers in an out of her pussy while her other hand had
    reached behind and was sliding one finger in and out of her asshole. She
    pulled her hands free and rushed to the table, swinging her legs over, she
    plastered her pussy against Deanna's face, the Betazed squealing with delight
    and instantly slipping her tongue in between the Doctor's tight cuntlips.
    Worf nearly blew his load right there and then when he saw Beverly
    lower her pussy over Deanna's face, watching one woman suck another was
    incredible, and Deanna was obviously enjoying it, as soon as Beverly had
    dropped her pussy onto the Betazed's face he had felt Deanna's cunt tighten
    around his cock, which was throbbing angrily as he continued pumping in and
    out of Deanna, almost as if it was going to explode. He let out a roar of
    sexual pleasure, then continued watching Beverly's wriggling ass, and just
    below it, Deanna's bouncing tits.
    Beverly let out a gasp of shock as she felt a hugely muscled arm wrap
    around her waist and pull her up onto her hands and knees. Behind her she
    heard Worf's deep voice saying.
    "Your turn now!"
    She felt a hot wave of pleasure rush through her body as he continued
    holding her around the waist, his free hand gripped his huge cock in hand and
    glided it into her hot, tight little pussy.
    "Like Worf said," laughed Deanna, bereft of a cock for now,"It's your
    turn now!" and so saying she slid forward until her pussy was underneath
    Beverly's face. The hot Doctor hesitated only a second, and then she was
    plunging in, muff-diving as the expression goes.
    As Beverly's tongue slid in and out of Deanna's tight cunt, she could
    feel Worf's balls slapping against her erect clit, he was filling her
    completely with his big dick and also tickling her clit, she couldn't believe
    how incredible it felt.
    Beverly had sucked another woman's pussy before, but it had never
    been like this before, it was as if all she was fuckmeat.
    "..un-noble, evil sides of the personality," she remembered No'Kase
    saying, was it possible? Was she simply all the pent up lust and desire
    inside the real Beverly's mind? - if so - she thought with a giggle - I'm
    gonna be at this a long time! -
    Beverly cried out as she felt yet another wave of intense pleasure
    rock through her body, she threw her head back and let out a cry of ecstasy,
    then she buried her face back in Deanna's sex and continued to lick up and
    down the Counsellor's dripping pussy.
    Worf was moaning constantly as he plunged his thick member in nd out
    of Doctor Crusher's soaking cunt, his huge cock filled her completely and
    made her absolutely airtight around his dick. He gripped her waist and began
    pumping in and out of her faster and faster, getting even more turned on by
    the second by the image of Beverly's face buried in Deanna's pussy while the
    Betazed beauty felt up her own large breasts.
    Deanna cried out in pleasure as Doctor Crusher's tongue squirmed in
    and out of her clasping cuntlips. Her thumb and forefingers rubbed her
    nipples between themselves, as Beverly ate her out she arched her back and
    cried in pleasure as she felt an orgasm race through her body, her upper body
    jackknifed and flopped like a fish out of water as her orgasm drove her crazy
    with even more desire.
    "Oh, yesss! Lick it Beverly," Deanna cried out, her hands releasing
    her breasts and clutching Beverly's head,"Suck me off! Suck me out! Suck me
    dry!!!! YEEESSSSSS!!!!!!"
    She spread her legs even wider, her large tits bouncing up and down
    uncontrollably now that they were freed from the confines of her own hands,
    she humped her ass up and down as she tried to drive Beverly's tongue even
    deeper into her snatch.
    "FUCK HER WORF!" she screamed,"Make the bitch cum so she'll eat me
    out even more!"
    As Deanna spoke a shadow came over her face, looking up she saw a man
    - a stranger she hadn't meet - straddling her face, a large cock resting
    inches from her face.
    "Suck this," the man said with a grin, Deanna couldn't see his face
    very well, but his features looked aquiline, and he seemed to exude a totally
    unshakeable confidence.
    Deanna hesitated a second, then her new lustful nature took over and
    she stretched her mouth open as wide as she could, then wrapped her lips
    around the strangers prick and began sucking him in.
    "Uhhhhaaa!" laughed the stranger, and Deanna noted a strange accent,
    possibly Russian, maybe even German,"Suck my big fat prick, you bitch," he
    groaned,"What a fucking mouth!"
    Worf looked up and nearly came from the sight, before him he could
    see Beverly's ass as he fucked her doggystyle, Beverly's head buried in
    Deanna's lap while Deanna sucked off a complete stranger. He growled low and
    deep in his throat and gripped Beverly's asscheeks in his hands, squeezing
    them together as hard as he could without hurting her he increased the
    pressure on his cock and banging her harder than before.
    Deanna sucked on the big cock in her mouth as well as she could,
    trying not to choke as it pushed against the back of her throat, she could no
    longer see it, but it seemed that Worf had picked up the pace, Beverly's
    mouth was pushing against her cunt harder and faster now and Worf was making
    that low growling noise he always made before cumming. As the four of them
    fucked and sucked as fast as they could, they all felt the pressure building
    within them, knowing they couldn't last much longer.
    Beverly went first, her entire body seemed to go rigid for a second,
    then she was screaming with pleasure into Deanna's pussy, her tongue making
    little flicking motions against Deanna's clit, which in turn drove the
    Betazed crazy - especially since she was picking up on the other three's
    lustful emotions as well as her own! - and she came again, her lips
    tightening around the strangers cock in her mouth as her juices flowed into
    Beverly's mouth and onto the table, forming a small puddle around her perfect
    asscheeks.
    Beverly's tightening cunt had forced Worf over the edge, he made a
    couple of more humping motions into her tight little pussy and then he was
    shooting cum deep into her, finding an incredible ecstasy in the release.
    As Deanna finally settled down from her orgasm she felt the cock in
    her mouth jerk slightly and then suddenly cum was pumping down her throat,
    she fought to gag it back but the stranger was gripping the back of her head
    and making small, humping motions, face fucking her as he came. He groaned
    in pleasure finally and pulled his now softening cock out of her lovely mouth
    and rolling off of the table.
    The three Starfleet Officers followed his example, resting on the
    ground and panting heavily, trying to catch their breath after that hard
    fuck.
    "That was fun," gasped the stranger,"Pity our time is nearly up," he
    slid a finger between Deanna's legs, causing the Betazed to groan in pleasure
    as one long finger slid into her pussy,"Or at least yours is."
    "I thought we got an hour," grunted Worf, as he said it he noticed
    that Beverly and Deanna were fading, he looked down at his hands and saw that
    he too was fading away, he looked up at the stranger. He had aquiline
    features and graying hair shot through with black pulled back into her small
    ponytail, Worf was a little shaken by total confidence that the man seemed to
    exude. He sensed that this man was not simply a personification of un-noble
    and lustful desires, he was something more.
    "Who are you?"
    "What is it with you humanoids and names...." laughed the stranger as
    Worf faded from view.

    1. Re:Beverly's surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
      it was as if all she was fuckmeat.
      Don't you mean 'it was as if all she was was fuckmeat'?
  31. Corprate inerta by grung0r · · Score: 1

    is the problem here. When the whole napster debate first came up, I assumed that the content companys would eventuly figure out how to make money with the new technology, as they had with radio, audio and video tapes. After all, no matter the morals of the situation, if no one is paying them they'll go out of buisness, and so they would be forced to try to appal to the conumer again. it has become clear to me now that they belive that they can litagate themselves out of the situation they're in.Litagation will not work. If they don't want to use the new technology to their advantage someone else will. DRM is not a lifeboat.

  32. Re: mag article on DRM by peddrenth · · Score: 1

    They should have copy-protected the article so that you had to sign an "I am a tree" license agreement before you could read it.

    Show it as it is.

  33. Why do these industries refuse to compete? by inkswamp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that people are so eager to pirate music online because of the ludicrously high prices of CDs. It's something of a consumer revolt. When CDs were first introduced, I remember hearing how cheap they were to produce and how someday they would be half the price of cassettes and LPs!

    Yeah... garsh, and I believed it too.

    No, instead what's happened is that the same product has been steadily creeping up in price to the point where it no longer makes sense to buy it. I stopped buying large quantities of CDs around 1995 or so, around the time they hit the $16-18 range.

    So, nowadays, on the rare occasion that I walk into my local music store and see $20+ CDs, I laugh to myself. Very few artists can pull that kind of cash out of my wallet anymore (Pink Floyd, Rush, Bill Hicks... to name a few.) I have better things to spend my money on.

    It makes me wonder. Why... why do content companies refuse to compete? Technology (specifically home computing) has become a formidable new source of competition for them and instead of leaping at the opportunity to compete, to take on this new challenge, they turn to bullying tactics (destroying Napter) and draconian, self-serving laws (DMCA, SSSCA, etc.)

    I wouldn't pay $20 for a CD. However, I might pay $20 for a CD if it came with not just one CD of music, but maybe another CD of studio outtakes and/or alternate mixes. How about a multimedia CD that plays movies on your computer, maybe short documentaries filmed during the making of the album (nothing fancy, just an insider's view like what Pink Floyd did on Live At Pompeii), interviews with the band about the album, maybe even a live performance played in the studio for the benefit of CD buyers? How about beefing up the standard CD into something worth my $20?

    After all, they are so cheap to produce... right? If the media is so cheap, give me content worth buying, you content providers!

    For that very reason, I am more willing to buy a DVD than a CD. In fact, I've bought more of the former than the latter in the last year. I find all the outtakes and artist commentary and extras make the high price tag a little more reasonable. Plus, I see multiple DVD sets being sold for more-or-less the same price.

    Hell, why not release an album on DVD, including all this music along with tons of extra goodies and content? Maybe a nice booklet with the CD (no cheap crap either... more like the high quality booklet that came with Pink Floyd's Pulse.) I would consider going back to spending money on CDs again. Not only would it make it worth my money, but the sheer quantity and variety of content would make it considerably more difficult to pirate this stuff over any medium.

    If these so-called content providers (who, as far as I can tell, want to provide nothing of the sort) would try to compete, they might find that we can all get along. If they want to hide behind stupid laws that serve only to validate their own ignorance, then I say fuck them and their overpriced CDs.

    My only regret is that the artists, who deserve the money, will get screwed in all this. Then again, given the sort of sleazy business ethics under which most content providers work, I'm sure artists are familiar with that feeling already.

    --Rick

    --
    --Rick "If it isn't broken, take it apart and find out why."
    1. Re:Why do these industries refuse to compete? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they are a monopoly and control the content distribution around the world.

    2. Re:Why do these industries refuse to compete? by gidds · · Score: 2, Interesting
      After all, they are so cheap to produce... right?

      Er, no. This is exactly the point. They are cheap to reproduce, but producing the first one is an expensive process: factor in the cost of studio time, equipment, a producer and an engineer, let alone living expenses for the weeks/months it takes... all that has to come from somewhere. If it doesn't come from CD sales, then where? Not all musicians can tour or play live.

      I'm not defending the huge profits of the record companies, nor their attempts to screw both `consumers' and artists out of everything they can. But what if there isn't an alternative business model for some artists?

      --

      Ceterum censeo subscriptionem esse delendam.

    3. Re:Why do these industries refuse to compete? by richieb · · Score: 4, Informative
      They are cheap to reproduce, but producing the first one is an expensive process: factor in the cost of studio time, equipment, a producer and an engineer, let alone living expenses for the weeks/months it takes... all that has to come from somewhere.

      Actually studio costs have been declining dratically due to digital technology. For example, an artist like Moby produces his recordings in his own house.

      In any case the recording costs are charged to the artist and are not payed by record companies. True, record companies gamble on several acts hoping that at least one can produce a million seller that will cover their investment. But is this a necessary way to promote music?

      Not all musicians can tour or play live.

      Well, then you have to figure out a way to make money from other sources than selling CDs. Horse coach drivers were also put out of business by new technology. You have to adapt...

      But what if there isn't an alternative business model for some artists?

      I'm sure there is. They just have to figure it out. Screwing your customers works only so long...

      --
      ...richie - It is a good day to code.
    4. Re:Why do these industries refuse to compete? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they are really just a big Trust. People complain about Microsoft, but thats small beans compared to how the music industry has operated over the years.

    5. Re:Why do these industries refuse to compete? by Quintin+Stone · · Score: 1

      But all of these costs/expenses existed before CDs were around. So really... why are CDs so much more expensive than tapes were?

      --

      "Prejudice is wrong; you should hate everyone the same."

    6. Re:Why do these industries refuse to compete? by inkswamp · · Score: 1

      But all of these costs/expenses existed before CDs were around.

      And in many cases, the recording industry owns or is working with studios to keep the costs of studio time high. A label will give new bands an advance to cover studio time, gear, living expenses, etc. However, the labels have things rigged so that all of that gets sapped very quickly and the band ends up touring just to pay off their debt to the recording label while their royalties get eaten up by further debt and ongoing expenses. These recording labels like to keep their young artists in serious debt.

      Why do you think we've heard so little outcry from the artists about all this? They know what sort of screw-job the recording industry is pulling here and I suspect that many of them would love to see a new business model unseat the old.

      --Rick

      --
      --Rick "If it isn't broken, take it apart and find out why."
  34. Richard Roma by flaw1 · · Score: -1

    I fucked your mother last night. Her five cents are under the pillow.

    --
    Surprised by Unicide! (fuck this shit)
    1. Re:Richard Roma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Yes! I will be eating tonight!

      Richard Roma

  35. *BSD got SHOT in the HEAD!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Shocking news reached us today - *BSD found DEAD with a BULLET in it's BRAINS!! City pathologist James Mulder will do the autopsy later today.

  36. A Pirate Nation by Remik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "the perilous irony of the digital age."

    There is no irony here, Michael. The fact of the matter is that this country was founded as, and will always be, a pirate nation. As much as our government enjoys defaming China and like nations for the rampant piracy within their boundaries, from the beginning of copyright law in the United States the laws were purposefully worded in order to stimulate the society and promote the progress of the arts. Thomas Jefferson best explains the copyright clause of the Constitution in an 1813 letter.

    "Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property. Society may give an exclusive right to the profits arising from them, as an encouragement to men to pursue ideas which may produce utility, but this may or may not be done, according to the will and convenience of the society, without claim or complaint from anybody."

    The framers understood that it is absolutely necessary to protect the ideas of an individual, for the purpose of encouraging the creators in society to create, but such protection should not, and must not be extended beyond the point where they are beneficial to society. This is why the Constitution portions out 'limited times' of protection as the sole enumerated power granted to the congress in order 'to promote the progress of science and useful arts.'

    The tactics of Disney, and like distributors, are an affront to the tenets which this country was founded on. Their most recent success, the CTEA (Copyright Term Extension Act) was the last straw for some Americans, and the arguments will finally be heard by the Supreme Court. (The Supreme Court granted certiorari in the case of Eldred v. Ashcroft, challenging the constitutionality of the Copyright Term Extension Act) The extension of copyrights for ideas created decades ago is not an attempt to promote progress, and it is stretching the definition of 'limited terms'. In fact, as Federal Circuit Judge Richard Posner noted, "creative works are both an input and an output in the creative process; if you raise the cost of the input, you get less output." It is easy to forget how much of the creative process depends on the works of others, for inspiration and motivation. Judge Posner eloquently posits the belief that at a certain point, protection of source material will begin to hinder more than help the arts which it attempts to nurture. This has obvious occurred in the case of the CTEA. There is no societal benefit to extending the copyright of Mickey Mouse. Walt Disney will certainly not be inclined to create more work. And at the same time, those in our society who would have used the new material that entered the public domain as a source for their creativity have been stifled. Consider what the greatness of Shakespeare would be if Hollingshed had been lost or hidden from him.

    View the whole essay here.

    1. Re:A Pirate Nation by stubear · · Score: 2

      This is all fine and wel, and to a certain extent I agree with you. However, many on the internet are removing ANY reasonable limited terms and are violating the copyright holders IP by distributing content which is not even a month old and in some cases, movies for instance, are distributing them before the content holders have even been given the chance. Should copyright terms be less than they are now? Perhaps, but not by much. Should people be allowed to distribute content that has not yet reached even the original terms established by copyright law? Absolutely not.

    2. Re:A Pirate Nation by mpe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The fact of the matter is that this country was founded as, and will always be, a pirate nation. As much as our government enjoys defaming China and like nations for the rampant piracy within their boundaries, from the beginning of copyright law in the United States the laws were purposefully worded in order to stimulate the society and promote the progress of the arts. Thomas Jefferson best explains the copyright clause of the Constitution in an 1813 letter.

      Most likely were Mr Jefferson alive today he'd be arguing that since communication has much improvied in the last 200 years copyright terms should be getting shorter.

      The framers understood that it is absolutely necessary to protect the ideas of an individual, for the purpose of encouraging the creators in society to create, but such protection should not, and must not be extended beyond the point where they are beneficial to society. This is why the Constitution portions out 'limited times' of protection as the sole enumerated power granted to the congress in order 'to promote the progress of science and useful arts.'

      Whilst the definition of "limited time" has been stretched to mean "any finite time" the bit about promoting the progress of science and userful arts appears to have been much ignored. To the point where there is proposed legislation which directly opposes the progress of part of these.

      Federal Circuit Judge Richard Posner noted, "creative works are both an input and an output in the creative process; if you raise the cost of the input, you get less output." It is easy to forget how much of the creative process depends on the works of others, for inspiration and motivation. Judge Posner eloquently posits the belief that at a certain point, protection of source material will begin to hinder more than help the arts which it attempts to nurture.

      Which probably isn't an original idea. Quite possibly it's the reason the US constitution was written that way in the first place. Indeed "limited time" could just as easily cover the term of protection going down as well as up. Possibly with some kinds of work to a period better measured in weeks or months than years.

    3. Re:A Pirate Nation by No+One · · Score: 1

      Should copyright terms be less than they are now? Perhaps, but not by much.

      Why not? Why not return to the 14+14 that the founders of our nation thought was right? Why should copyright last until the creator's grandchildren are retired? Remember, the ultimate purpose of copyright is not to help the creator profit, it's to increase the amount of work in the public domain. Long copyright terms actually reduce the incentive to create new material, as the creator can sit back on his laurels and profit from his older work. In addition, people who would use copyrighted material as a springboard to create their own material cannot.

      The rest of your post is completely irrelevant. The person you're responding to never claimed that people should be allowed to redistribute copyrighted material, and doing so would be a violation of the law under either the system the framers of the Constitution intended or the system we have now.

      --

      There is no sin except stupidity -- Oscar Wilde
  37. What I hope happens... by heideggier · · Score: 1
    This is a bit off topic but what the hay...

    I hope that P2P networks for movies in the future take off (already have today), and that hollywoods efforts too control the medium become void. Albert they seem posied to implement some rather stupid laws.

    If cinimas lose some of the ablity to provide exclusives, since everyone has already seen the rough cuts months before it is released in the cinima then there should be a lot fewer of these hollywood flops, Movies overhyped inorder to drag as many people to the local multi-plex for the first two weeks before word of month spreads that they sux. Loads of movies fall into this catagorie, pearl harbour, Star Wars EP1 (a movie which broke all box office records before anyone had even seen it) etc. Sadly hollywood seems to have become about promotion rather then about creating movies.

    If people have the opition of seeing a movies at a crappy quality, then in the cinima, then buying the DVD months later with all the extras on it, creating movies becomes less about hype and more about making somthing which grows more the more times you see it ie Pulp Fiction etc. In sort there is more incentive for the creation of a quality product and not the same pop corn fodder that has been screening lately.

    Piracy could have the effect of nullifying hype which I think benifits everyone, even those which don't partake in the practise (most people are pretty honest, given half a chance).

    --
    Pianist : Some jerk whos taught themselves how to type in rhythm
  38. Free as in warez or speech? by ImaLamer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think you've stumbled upon an interesting point here.

    If I can't record music or videa without clearing it through a media company and getting that "watermark" then my First Amendment rights have been trampled.

    Forget consumers, copy protected CD's and even Fair Use [it is copyright ] - forget all of those Simpsons episodes you recorded from TV.

    These systems are un-Constitutional because they limit your ability to express yourself where you see fit. If it's a grass roots campaign or a song your band is working on - you can't do it!

    Just reminds me of this Simpsons song that is on mp3 here.

    It will take an Amendment! And like Heston, they will get my DVD/VCD/MP3 player from my cold dead hands.

  39. What about the new TV standard. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How would this affect the new US TV standard that is going to be enforced in the next 3-5 years? If I rush out and purchase one of theses new sets will I then need to purchase another one a few months after that so I can watch the new shows and movies that are encrypted?

  40. ok I'll help here.. by phunhippy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But for now, nobody's asking ordinary people what they want.

    So i'll ask, what do you people want? the ability to send digital videos of your home movies to friends.. or to have your computer totally restricted in what it can and can not do..

    On a side note here.. It seems that Microsoft is all pretty gung ho while stay quiet about DRM technology.. Mostly i think because they can profit off of it by blending it into the OS, which makes me wonder why other DRM software companies don't seem to worried that Microsoft will dominate this software field as well... any thoughts?

  41. Human rights by oliverthered · · Score: 2


    "only benefits large companies", is quite an interesting comment.
    given that large companies only exist in either land e.g. there not real, Such laws seem to be selling Human rights away to a non-physical entity.
    That's a very weird stance for a group, that is supposed to represent the people, to take.

    Instead of addressing mass anarchic law breaking by 90%+ of the population shouldn't they be addressing the reason for such a large revolt i.e. The dismissal of human rights over the rights of non-existent entities.

    --
    thank God the internet isn't a human right.
    1. Re:Human rights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It isn't a problem of human rights but a question of market.

      The companies haven't realized that the hard facts is that they products are crap and at a step price. The market response in this case is "black market" (check economic books for the reasons of paralel economy to thrieve).

      If the content providers didn't had a monopoly, the market would force them to adapt content prices to market demand (for instance by placing CDs more cheap on the market).

      As it is, they instead of droping prices to increase the atractiveness of the "original" media, they rise the prices (i wander what they intended with that except decreasing the market size).

      Now they, on top of the "force major" monopoly, they want a legal monopoly imposed on the consumers.

      That is a very nice move. Turn your costumers in the enemies is a very nice PR move!

      Cheers...

    2. Re:Human rights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As it is, they instead of droping prices to increase the atractiveness of the "original" media, they rise the prices (i wander what they intended with that except decreasing the market size).

      And when the market responds with the decreased demand for the products, they call the "wolf" and instead of blaming the *stupid* market strategy and the economic state for it, they blame the *piracy*!

  42. General Misuse of the term "Broadcasting" by testuser58 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Movie and TV studios are worried not because of what you're doing now, but because of what you might do in the near future: grab digital content with your computer and rebroadcast it online.
    I start twitching every time I see/hear someone mention the concept of "broadcasting" content on the Web -- because it implies that the Web works like high-tech radio. It doesn't work that way, and it never will.

    With radio broadcasting, a station spends a fortune on:

    • Spectrum rights (FCC)
    • Broadcast equipment
    • Content Broadcasting rights
    So there's a high barrier to entry, but once you've achieved all this, you saturate the "air" for miles around with your content. It doesn't matter whether one person tunes into your content or a million people tune in. You still spend the same amount of money (you may get more in advertising if a lot of people are listening, but that's another story).

    With Internet "broadcasting" a site needs to buy:

    • A domain (equiv to spectrum rights)
    • A fast server/server farm (broadcast equip)
    • A fat pipe (because streaming music, video or trading files takes a lot of bandwidth)
    • Content Broadcasting rights (hopefully)
    Unlike traditional broadcasting, the cost of operation jumps for each listener tuned in. Each listener requires an ongoing dialog with the server and a big chunk of bandwidth, plus the content owners/format owners want to bill you per user (QuickTime 6 has been delayed because of this nonsense) because they know you have the numbers.

    The costs of truly "broadcasting" over the Internet are prohibitive even for large companies and will never be economical for the average Joe sitting in his den, no matter how fat consumer bandwidth gets. File swapping is not broadcasting -- anyone who thinks it is has obviously never waited two hours in the server que for a download slot or tried to download a 20MB file at 0.8kbps.

    1. Re:General Misuse of the term "Broadcasting" by mpe · · Score: 2

      Unlike traditional broadcasting, the cost of operation jumps for each listener tuned in.

      You can help this with an infrastructure more complicated than a single server location. But they you have to pay out more, and be able to install "repeater" servers at short notice depending on your ongoing listener/viewer demographics.

    2. Re:General Misuse of the term "Broadcasting" by Beliskner · · Score: 1
      tried to download a 20MB file at 0.8kbps
      Oh, oh yeah? Well what about VStudio .NET enterprise architect 4xISOs = 2 Gigs @ 2.0kbps.
      I start twitching every time I see/hear someone mention the concept of "broadcasting" content on the Web -- because it implies that the Web works like high-tech radio. It doesn't work that way, and it never will.
      Dude you better lay off the caffeine, that'll fix the twitching. As for the broadcasting, you can get pretty close with RSVP and RTP. The IETF aren't too stupid you know (allegedly).
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    3. Re:General Misuse of the term "Broadcasting" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, if they used IP multicast, Internet content providers WOULD be doing something very simular to "broadcasting". The current scheme, where every user gets their own virtual circuit and receives their own unique datastream, is a simply assinine waste of bandwidth.

  43. Nothing new by dreamchaser · · Score: 2

    Philosophically this is nothing new at all. Control the media and you control the people. This is the new media, and they are grasping at ways to control it, it's content, and it's users.

  44. DRM in Information Security Magazine by Cally · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I just read this article in Info Sec magazine on DRM technololgy: alas the web version doesn't have the article, just list of products and vendors - the whole thing was without any discussion of the moral or ethical dimension to the issue. Yet CISSP and SANS info-sec certifications all include an "ethical dimension" to their course materials. Go figure.

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  45. Open Source and the DRM virus by IntelliTubbie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    will it mean the end of OpenSource applications because *you* can remove the DRM components?

    This is actually an interesting paradox. The whole philosophy of DRM, digital watermarks, etc. is to make it not just illegal to circumvent copyright, but impossible.

    By this logic, the source code itself would need a watermark to prevent the removal of the DRM components -- but this would be no good if you could just strip it out before compiling, so the compilers would have to be rigged only to allow watermarked source code. Of course, then you'd have to make sure that people weren't running binaries made with the old compiler ... and you'd have to follow this chain of logic all the way down to the lowest level of computation, down to the electronic circuits etched on the chips.

    Like a virus, mandatory DRM legislation would infect everything it touches. It might start with something seemingly innocuous, like music and movies -- but it would eventually consume software, hardware, and the very act of computation itself. I agree with the author that the DRM legislation being pushed by the "content" industry (and certain of our esteemed elected officials) would effectively destroy the digital computer as we know it.

    Cheers,
    IT

    -1: Jon Katz-like title

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    1. Re:Open Source and the DRM virus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a virus like linux. you mean.

  46. how long? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    before someone writes an utility that removes the original watermark and adds a bogus watermark that allows it to be played on drm devices?
    1 12 hours

  47. How much do cable companies pay for Cable Music? by phunhippy · · Score: 2

    broadcast Pronunciation Key (brôdkst)
    v. broadcast, or broadcasted broadcasting, broadcasts
    v. tr.
    1. To transmit (a radio or television program) for public or general use.
    2. To send out or communicate, especially by radio or television: The agency broadcast an urgent appeal for medical supplies.
    3. To make known over a wide area: broadcast rumors. See Synonyms at announce.
    To sow (seed) over a wide area, especially by hand.

    Note #2 especially radio or television, but not excluseively.. My point here being.. doesn't Cable TV networks broadcast music channels for all differnt kinds.. like 40+ stations right through your tv or in most people's case... their home entertainment network.. i could easily re-route(flip a dial) the sound from my cable box to my computer and record all those if i wanted to in pure digital too..

    So how much are digital cable companies paying for broadcast royalties? And if its different than net broadcasts.. why?

  48. the Man vs. the Men by DragonTHC · · Score: 3, Interesting

    hasn't it dawned on anyone that the voice of the american people is being silenced. when napster had over fifty million users, was that not us simply choosing not to buy cds? Considering that congress is making it impossible for the american people to not buy a product, business ventures can't fail. What if we don't want to pay for it anymore? Can't we decide not to pay for a product. Can't we decide we don't want a product? Are our representatives representing their constituents interests? I guess Michael Eisner's needs are more important than mine.

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  49. HDTV is DOA. by crovira · · Score: 2

    This tells why Digital Broadcast and HDTV is dead in the water:

    "... Unlike DVD movies, which are encrypted on the disk and decrypted every time they?re played, digital broadcast television has to be unencrypted. For one thing, the Federal Communications Commission requires that broadcast television be sent "in the clear." (The rationale is that broadcasters are custodians of a public resource -- the part of the electromagnetic spectrum used for television -- and therefore have to make whatever they pump into that spectrum available to everyone.) Then, too, digital TV has to reach existing digital television sets, which cannot decode encrypted broadcasts"

    HDTV and digital "over the air broadcast" will never be accepted by the industry. They are trying to get a direct "named" pipe into your house (and wallet.)

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    1. Re:HDTV is DOA. by TheSync · · Score: 2

      You can build your own ATSC compliant MPEG transport stream recorder/playback with a PC and this PCI card. It even has a DTV tuner as well, so you just hook it up to an antenna.

      That said, there is plenty of DTV content out there already. Most major networks have HD primetime programming, and simulcast their analog broadcasts on their digital channel in SD. There are even special HD content producers such as HDNet (backed by Mark Cuban of Broadcast.Com fame)

  50. DRM == Human rights by oliverthered · · Score: 1

    Most of the DMCA like laws prevent you from performing interlectual activities on media, even in your own home. Circumventing a copy protection system is a weird concept, since most if not all digital media can be coppied using 10+ year old technology (given enough time) it can hardly be called 'Copy' protection.

    Bypassing DRM is also interesting, it effectivly says that you may not produce a tool that allows you to copy material 'unpacked' from a DRM system. now in the UK that can either be civil or criminal, in the case of criminal a media player that stores or sends 'unpacked' data in a digital form violates the law.

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  51. Look over the horizon: DRM in MPEG-21 by philkerr · · Score: 3, Informative
    Well, it's time to look to the future. Here's a snippet from the proposed MPEG-21 standard:

    http://mpeg.telecomitalialab.com/standards/mpeg-21 / peg-21.htm

    The seven key elements defined in MPEG-21 are:

    1.Digital Item Declaration (a uniform and flexible abstraction and interoperable schema for declaring Digital Items);
    2. Digital Item Identification and Description (a framework for identification and description of any entity regardless of its nature, type or granularity);
    3. Content Handling and Usage (provide interfaces and protocols that enable creation, manipulation, search, access, storage, delivery, and (re)use of content across the content distribution and consumption value chain);
    4. Intellectual Property Management and Protection ( the means to enable content to be persistently and reliably managed and protected across a wide range of networks and devices );
    5. Terminals and Networks (the ability to provide interoperable and transparent access to content across networks and terminals);
    6. Content Representation (how the media resources are represented);
    7.Event Reporting (the metrics and interfaces that enable Users to understand precisely the performance of all reportable events within the framework);

    Combine this with the proposed DRM legistaltion in US/EU contries and then think about the business relationship you have with media companies.



    It will change.

  52. Encryption.. by gillbates · · Score: 5, Interesting
    About a year or so ago, slashdot featured an article on the then new CSS encryption. Basically, the scheme rendered obsolete keys unusable when they were cracked. The media was encrypted with several keys, and when one was cracked, the player would use another key, and all subsequent releases would use the uncracked/new keys. This way, a hacker who cracked the keys could view only old content; once it was discovered that the key had been compromised, the industry would simply stop using that key. Gradually, as time passed, all the keys in a given DVD player would be cracked, at which point the industry would stop using those keys and the user would have to buy a new DVD player to view new movies.

    What's interesting is the genius of this approach - instead of hackers ripping off the movie industry, they would then be ripping off consumers - with every key cracked, more and more DVD players would become obsolete. Hence, both the tech factions and content factions stood to benefit from this arrangement.

    The really interesting thing about this arrangement is that it is practical, though of limited effectiveness, and it requires no special legislation. If all copyrighted works were protected with such an encryption scheme, piracy would truly dwindle because the content providers could simply switch keys and render all of a hacker's previous efforts worthless. What really surprises me is that the content faction hasn't caught on. Here is a scheme which would allow them to literally make movies or songs unplayable after a certain length of time (say video rental...) and profit multiple times, and they are sleeping on it!

    Instead, the content faction is fighting a losing battle against the tech faction. Computers, by their very nature need to make perfect copies to function, and any specialized hardware required for copy protection could simply be co-opted by a virtual machine. What is needed is a movie/music/book format which requires a licensed piece of hardware (say, a media board) to decrypt. Thus, those users who want to enjoy MPAA or RIAA licensed content would have to purchase a media board for their PC's, where as those who don't won't have their rights to create content taken away from them. Basically, there would be two types of content: unlicensed and licensed. Licensed content would require hardware decryption, whereas unlicenced content wouldn't. This solution works for both the content faction and the tech faction, without taking rights away from the individual to use their computers as they see fit.

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    1. Re:Encryption.. by Phil+Hands · · Score: 2
      with every key cracked, more and more DVD players would become obsolete.

      Another way of putting that might be:

      with every key cracked, more people would be left with players that would only play cracked copies of the more recent movies.

      Great way to make sure that the market for cracked DVDs expands massively.
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    2. Re:Encryption.. by Whardie+Jones · · Score: 0

      How the hell do you crack a key? You don't make any sense. Can't stand script kiddies who get all their info from websites.

    3. Re:Encryption.. by Grax · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hardware can be hacked as well, but it probably wouldn't need to be. If the physical format of the protected work is in computer memory or dvd or similar accessible format then a software translation layer can be written.

      I have a big problem with MPAA and RIAA leveraging their monopoly control over the entertainment industry to create barriers to entry for amateur artists and new artists. (If a player can only play "official" content then amateurs are excluded.)

      They already killed one format (DAT) with their paranoid ramblings over unauthorized copying.

      I don't want to sacrifice all forward movement of technology just so I can hear the latest Britney Spears "song" on my DRM-enabled, otherwise disabled computer.

      I understand they have concerns and I might be willing to listen to them if they were to shorten the copyright length to 20 years instead having copyrights last into all eternity (I'll be dead, my children will be dead, my grandchildren will be dead, close enough to eternity in my book.)

    4. Re:Encryption.. by BroccoliGod · · Score: 1
      What's interesting is the genius of this approach - instead of hackers ripping off the movie industry, they would then be ripping off consumers - with every key cracked, more and more DVD players would become obsolete. Hence, both the tech factions and content factions stood to benefit from this arrangement.

      I have a feeling that this will piss off DVD manufacturers more:

      • Back inventory of "obselete" players people no longer wish to buy
      • Production costs for making each batch of players with different keys
      • Customer complaints/returns

      What about one manufacturer sabotaging another manufacturer's player by leaking the keys, to earn a market for its newer player?

      Sounds too crappy/complicated.

    5. Re:Encryption.. by Reziac · · Score: 2

      And what happens when the manufacturers of the "media license board" and/or the holders of the crypto key go belly up, or if they decide they aren't being paid well enough and decide to hold the public hostage to their getting higher rates with the next contract?

      Such a scheme requires absolute trust on the part of the consumer, and no compensating trust on the part of the DRM technology provider.

      IOW, if the DRM manager blows out of the deal, all content dependent this DRM scheme becomes inaccessable. How do you plan to address this? Only way I can see is to make the gov't the key manager and mfgr of your proposed media boards. Yeah, I'm sure THAT will be real efficient.

      And what about foreign content, which may have its own incompatible DRM schemes?

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    6. Re:Encryption.. by spitzak · · Score: 2
      As I understand it, because of their closed-source implementation, they made a math error such that cracking one key allowed all the others to be cracked easily. Any new design, if they have any brains, will be completely open-source (except for the keys themselves, which means this source is useless for actual OSS users).

      But the idea sounds workable if it was done correctly.

  53. Not surprisingly.... by ZoneGray · · Score: 2

    Not surprisiingly, Jack Valenti has apparently started a road tour to promote this legislation. Today, there's a column by him in the Wall Street Journal, where he pleads:

    "Families deserve to have options to watch movies on the Net, legally, at their command."

    Touching, isn't it?

    1. Re:Not surprisingly.... by ninjaz · · Score: 2
      Not surprisiingly, Jack Valenti has apparently started a road tour to promote this legislation. Today, there's a column by him in the Wall Street Journal, where he pleads:

      "Families deserve to have options to watch movies on the Net, legally, at their command."

      Touching, isn't it?

      Quite! Especially after having seen Cecil B. DeMented. "Family is just a dirty word for censorship!"
    2. Re:Not surprisingly.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      another moron with a vision. Mr. Valenti that is.
      'families deserve to have .....'
      The pipe just can't be made big enough to satisfy
      this Vision of future internet use.
      internet radio
      internet movies
      internet tv
      napster, kazaa, gnutella.

      the expense will be absolutely huge and it will
      resemble an arms race. Never big enough,
      never fast enough. Every year another invention
      that needs an ever increasing amount of bandwidth.
      14.4-28.8-32.6-52-112-?
      Who is going to pay for this Vision? Who!!

    3. Re:Not surprisingly.... by Steve+B · · Score: 2
      Families deserve to have options to watch movies on the Net, legally, at their command."

      Sorry, but, no, they don't "deserve" any such thing. Such a service may or may not be offered; if it is offered, it may or may not survive in the marketplace. If either of the above decisions turns out to be "not", then people will just have to deal with its absence.

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  54. What we really need instead... by unsinged+int · · Score: 1

    is to somehow get the digital consumer rights tacked on to the U.S. Constitution. If you think that's not the appropriate place for it, consider if the entire document were written today instead of over 200 years ago...don't you think that would have been one of the original ammendments?

    I'm dreaming I know, but I wish I wasn't. If they outlaw useful computers, a black market for useful computers will erupt. Come to think of it, sounds a bit like prohibition.

  55. Sloppy Editting by oscarm · · Score: 1

    At stake in this campaign, according to Eisner, is "the status quo of the American entertainment industry, the status quo of American consumers, the status quo of America's balance of international trade." Eisner was surrounded by the surviving members of the American Whip-makers Association and the Wainwright Guild of America.

  56. For those in Florida... by tswinzig · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I just got a response back from Senator Bill Nelson, in which he endorses the bills being put forth by Senator Hollings, such as the CBDTPA! And he's a Democrat! WTF?

    So keep that in mind when voting next time...

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    1. Re:For those in Florida... by ronfar · · Score: 1
      Is it the same reply as I got? (See Below)

      My reply from Senator Bill Nelson of Florida

      Or has he changed it since then? (Oh, and does he still include the Post Script about Anthrax?)

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    2. Re:For those in Florida... by tswinzig · · Score: 2

      Is it the same reply as I got? (See Below)

      My reply from Senator Bill Nelson of Florida [tripod.com]

      Or has he changed it since then? (Oh, and does he still include the Post Script about Anthrax?)


      Yes the anthrax postscript is still there, but the content has changed. I'm sorry I can't scan it and upload it, as I tore it to shreds in a fit of rage! :) But he now supports the efforts of Hollins and others like him.

      I will vote against him next time around.

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  57. This is built-in obsolescence. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Surely it's illegal?

  58. This has been going on for too long by WebMasterJoe · · Score: 2

    I've spent too much time being outraged about Fritz, Hillary, Eisner, and the whole gang. They are proclaiming the end of the world if they can't increase their revenues in light of technologocial advances that makes delievery of their products cheaper. And they seem to think it is their constitutional right to make a profit in an industry just because they could make a profit in the past.

    Take the whole digital television aspect of things. The industry doesn't want us to be able to record those broadcasts for later viewing or distribution. Why? So they can trade syndications with each other (ala Full House, Saved By The Bell, Friends) and rebroadcast them to us when they feel we want to watch them. If the typical TV-loving American already has the past two years of his favorite sitcom PVR'd in its original broadcast quality (or a slightly lower quality), he won't be sure to tune in at 5:35 Monday through Friday to watch it on the Superstation, will he? So the Superstation won't be able to haul in as much advertising for that show.

    There's nothing wrong with the above scenario. The TV station will either have to do something with that syndicate to make it really compelling (like not showing the same ~40 episodes over and over), or they'll get some new show to put in its place (Like "The Whoopi Goldberg Not-Quite-Famous Hollywood Crap-a-Thon").

    Of course, the syndicates won't just go away, because home recording (or file swapping) still requires effort on behalf of the consumer, while tuning in for an episode hand-picked by the station is much easier. But the stations won't be able to get by as easily on cheap syndications. This new development might result in higher quality programming.

    Another alternative (which is already starting) is for the stations to provide a nicely packaged alternative to the do-it-yourself approach: Sell the series on DVD. Throw in a nice menu, some scripts, outtakes, interviews, etc. and charge $60/season. The industry is doing the stuff that would be a hassle for consumers to do (be sure to record each episode, edit out / fast forward through commercials, transfer it to the desired medium) and throwing in some other stuff that the consumer didn't have before (i.e., new content).

    The industries will fare much better if they find ways to compete with or benefit from the new technologies, rather than whine to the government until enough laws are passed. At this rate, they won't be satisfied until there is a royalty tax on computers just because we have the ability to copy their content with it (such as the royalty tax on blank CD-R's).

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  59. Multicast by yerricde · · Score: 2

    Unlike traditional broadcasting, the cost of operation jumps for each listener tuned in. Each listener requires an ongoing dialog with the server and a big chunk of bandwidth

    Not with IP Multicast. You can broadcast UDP packets to entire networks across the globe from you. Of course, this assumes that all routers between you and them support multicast, and that's why MBONE is so important.

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  60. content companies are incredibly stupid by Ummon_i · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The problem is that most of these content companies have been living off of incredibly fat margins for way to long. As a result the company becomes incapable of modifing its business model in response to market conditions.

    Take for example digital tv and a show such as "24" which is regularly on the peer networks hours after the show is aired without commercials.

    Now the status quo is for the content creators to go ape shit and fight tooth and nail to keep these epsiodes off the internet to preserve the commercial value of thier property.

    If these idiots had any brains they would look at the problem from another point of view. The consumers WANT this delivered via the internet medium. The trick is to deliver it WITHOUT destroying the commercial value.

    When they start looking at the problem they will answer a number of questions

    1) why do people download a show on the internet
    - Well Probably 1 of 3 reasons. First they may not have a tv (college students), second they may have missed the episode and wish to view it at a later date. or finally they may wish to collect the epesodes for later viewing (in a series).

    2) Is it easy to download shows.
    - actually not. an hour show on a fast connection on a Peer network will take in excess of an 2 hours and the quality is questionable.

    3) As soon as the show hits the internet will the commercials be ripped from it?
    - well after reviewing the issue I think you will find that the answer is it depends. To record and compress a show is not an easy process for the technically inept and even less if they want to burn it to VCD. The reason people pull the commercials is First to save download time and second, it is a trivial process if you are already converting the file.

    Now lets say I have some basic business sense. How much do you think people will pay for a commercial that is not only shown onece at one time slot but shown 100's of times in each household?

    So now the question is how do I keep them downloading the program from me and keeping the commercials intact.

    well lets see what we can do to make downloading the program from us attractive to the consumer.

    Download time: Well I can provide a stable fast connection for consumers to download "24". rather then go through the peer networks. The trade off is that the commercials are intact

    2) Quality. you can always count on our quality. there is nothing worse then waiting 2 hours for a download and it being in crap condition.

    3) Format: Strangely enough We are gonna do this in open format. In addition we are going to make it VCD format so NO conversion is needed and it will neatly fit onto 1 CD (commercials and all). hell we will even give you the art work!!!

    NOW do you really really think people are going to take the time to rip the commercials? Even if they did? Do you think anyone would bother going to the peer networks? In addition you can ask for peoples address (I dont have a problem with this) make money off the lists that you create. Plus commercials in the first run AND commercails
    in download.

    I think its time for the MPAA people to go back to business 101

  61. Ways to deduce a key by yerricde · · Score: 2, Informative

    How the hell do you crack a key?

    I read "crack a key" as "deduce a key".

    Easy. Simply try every possible key against the content, and take what looks like valid content (all high bits turned off for ASCII text; valid MPEG-2 headers for DVDs) . This works best with the shorter key lengths used in some popular ciphers. For example, CSS, a 40-bit cipher, should take about 13 days to crack at 1 million keys per second. However, many ciphers and systems have holes, and CSS's Achilles heel lies in the disk key system. Given only the hash of the disk key, the complexity of a brute-force attack reduces to 25-bit, which should take well under a minute on even a slow PIII.

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  62. Judge Posner by opus · · Score: 2

    In fact, as Federal
    Circuit Judge Richard Posner noted


    This is only a minor quibble, but Judge Posner is on the 7th circuit.

  63. isn't this what we've been saying? by ketan · · Score: 1
    Matthew Gerson, vice president for public policy at Vivendi Universal, which produces and sells both music (Universal Music Group) and movies (Universal Studios), is quick to dispute such predictions. "We know that if we build a safe, consumer-friendly site that has all the bells and whistles and features that music fans want, it will flourish," he says. "My hunch is that fans will have no trouble paying for the music that they love and compensating the artists who bring it to them -- established stars as well as the new voices the labels introduce year after year."

    So they get it but don't get it. They concede that we'll probably do the right thing and pay the service, but they're still trying to paint users as being criminals. They acknowledge that they haven't provided the sort of service that users want and would pay for, but continue to state (elsewhere, not in this article) that we're only using the post-Napster services because we want to take without paying. They know that music lovers want to hear "new voices," implicitly agreeing that we're not getting that from traditional distribution models, but they still push lowest common denominator music as their highest priority.

    I guess I should just be glad that they are making this much of a public acknowledgment and hope that these small steps continue.

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  64. You can have my computer when... by Paul+the+Bold · · Score: 2

    You can have my computer when you pry it out of my cold dead hands. The quote that entertainment industry efforts are, "little less than an attempt to outlaw general-purpose computers." by Selene Makarios sound right on target.

    We hear of the GeekPAC and the EFF, and they are doing important work, but average people don't understand it. How can we digest the issue so that average people understand it, and see that when the entertainment industry wins, the people lose?

    Court cases and congressional lobbying are very important, but they cannot be the end of our efforts. We here at slashdot are a widely dispersed, well educated, and well informed group. If we all make a local effort, we could make a huge impact. Imagine slashdotting the local dead tree bulletin boards.

    We need to start a unified effort to educate the people around us. I'm not the person to do it, I don't know how. I can't even convince my wife that she should care. (She thinks it is an issue for programmers only, but she listened a little when I explained the library angle.)

    What have you tried? How have you convinced people? Which arguments were most successful? Can we come up with a flyer design for other geeks to print and use? Is there a graphic designer out there with some spare time?

  65. Plaintext means Piracy by TheSync · · Score: 2

    At the end of the day, all media must be decrypted to plaintext to allow human beings to experience the media.

    This plaintext can ALWAYS be intercepted and copied.

    Digital technology does not assure that exact duplicate copies can be made of encrypted media...it does mean that reasonble quality copies of the decoded plaintext (decoded in a crypto and compression sense) can be distributed and reproduced in an unlimited fashion without any FURTHER quality degradation.

    No way around this, period. If a person can see or hear it, a computer can as well. It will be on gnutella, etc.

    Nor do I think there is any watermark that cannot be removed, but this is a theoretical issue currently.

    1. Re:Plaintext means Piracy by spitzak · · Score: 2
      This is true, however they do have a solution: require a watermark in any playback, and outlaw any device that can put on such a watermark. In effect outlaw all recording devices. I believe this is exactly what they want to do, after they prove that all other solutions do not stop piracy.

      The side effect that it is now impossible to distribute entertainment (or any information) without a contract with an entertainment company. This is the actual goal of all this legislation.

  66. Why is this flamebait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean, he's right. Come on! Reason is an outlet for Ayn Randites and the Libertarian Party to push their views. It's just the truth.

  67. Vote with your spare money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Democracy is downright amazing. You can even exercise your right to vote by using dollar bills!

    You don't like that newfangled encrypted stuff, you don't buy the players or the media it plays. If you find a decent majority for that behaviour, it doesn't come to pass.

  68. Cold dead fingers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They will never take my computer. Good article. Is it a computer if you can't write any program on it??

  69. Not even an amendment... by digitalcowboy · · Score: 2

    Good points.

    One technicality I'd like to point out. You said:

    These systems are un-Constitutional because they limit your ability to express yourself where you see fit...

    It will take an Amendment! And like Heston, they will get my DVD/VCD/MP3 player from my cold dead hands.


    Actually, since the First Amendment begins with "Congress shall make no law...", they can't override that even with a Constitutional amendment. It would require the repeal of the First Amendment. Fat chance!

    Them old crotchety white guys that started this place were pretty damn smart. (Too bad our ancestors ignored all their warnings and we became exactly what the Founding Fathers feared we would.)

    1. Re:Not even an amendment... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      look into the prohibition... another amendment was needed to re-peal the last before it.

  70. The Who: Live At Leeds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Vinyl LPs used to come with a plethora of band related material (note Who album with assorted concert paraphenalia, etc.)

    A true fan would love to have the original of this stuff. If you can't make money on cheaply duplicated bits, then maybe you can make it on "real stuff"

  71. Record company == pimp by digitalcowboy · · Score: 2

    I agree with every word of that (except maybe the part about Pink Floyd -- not really my taste :-)

    I haven't bought a CD in so long that I can't remember the last one. It's probably been 3+ years. I stopped buying CDs before I ever even discovered P2P MP3 sharing, primarily because there simply wasn't anything being released on CD that I wanted to hear bad enough to pay for the CD.

    When you combine the almost complete lack of any quality, original music from the (large) record companies these days with the way radio plays only the top 40 (of any given format) into the ground, I have no use for CDs. Anything released by the record companies that I might care to hear, I can hear enough to be sick of it in a matter of weeks just by turning on my radio.

    I mostly listen to local and/or indie bands these days. I would have no problem buying their self produced CDs as it helps them recover their production expense and there is no pimp taking a 95%+ cut off the top. For convenience sake, though, I normally grab the MP3s off gnutella and then pay the artist through www.fairtunes.com. (I also do this for the handful of major label artists I like. It's quite satisfying to know that I can donate $5 to them for the couple of good songs I like and they will get the equivalent of 10 CDs worth of record company royalties.)

    I'll be damned if I'll ever pay $15 for two good songs again, especially when $14.50 of it is going to a pimp that is simply exploiting me and the artist.

  72. I just can't wait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    "Within five years," he says, "the music industry will be a cottage industry."


    Great! Then maybe really good singer/songwriters like Susan Z will be able to actually sell their CDs, and I'll finally be able to listen to decent music!!! Yes... Yes... YES!!!

  73. It's simple SSSCA would kill US computer industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The Hollings legislation, dubbed the Security Systems Standards and Certification Act, is designed to help content companies turn the potential peril of digital technology into profits. In the drafts available last fall, the bill would make it a civil offense for anyone to develop a new computer or operating system (or any other digital tool that makes copies) that does not incorporate a federally approved security standard preventing unlicensed copying.

    Uh, US != the world. Given a choice between buying a US designed system which severly restricts your use, versus a system from overseas (ordered over the internet) which has no such restrictions, and is significantly cheaper precisely because it does not need to enforce those restrictions, which would you choose? Most of our computer components already come from overseas; this bill would simple force the entire computer industry to pack up and move offshore. Smart move, Hollings! The only way it could possibly work is if it banned the importation of any computer systems that are not crippled to meet US regulations... then we'd have a US "War on foreign computers" that would be almost as effective as our "War on drugs". Plus, any restrictions enforced by Software could be easily circumvented by downloading software from the Internet via secure connections to overseas servers...


    Personally, I think driving the entire PC industry underground and overseas would counterproductive, and inevitably give the average consumer more access to methods to defeat copy-protection rather than less. Don't beleive me? Shop around the the internet for DVD players that defeat regional encoding and/or macrovision. They are plentiful and cost little more than non-modified players.

  74. CD vs. DVD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I've been buying a lot of DVDs lately for a simular reason:


    CD (at Costco): $11.99


    DVD of live concert performance (at Costco): $12.99


    For a dollar more, I get a live performance which is much better, or at the very least, DIFFERENT from the crap played on the radio, plus eye candy to entertain people whilst listening. Plus the DVD audio is higher fidelity, and gives me the options of 5.1 dolby surround sound! Now if I could just figure out how to rip the DVD audio into MP3s...

  75. Take the pledge! by crankyinmv · · Score: 0

    Perhaps if the content faction saw enough of these, they wouldn't be trying so hard to outlaw computers as anything more than glorified TVs.


    I, (insert name here), promise not to knowingly copy, transmit, view, or listen to any content produced or distributed by RIAA or MPAA companies on any computers I own or use.


    Now I can use my computer exactly as I did before without some corporate lawyer breathing down my neck.

    Notice I didn't use the verb enjoy, since that wouldn't apply to most of this content anyways.

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  76. Its not DRM goddamnedit! by Convergence · · Score: 2

    Its not Digital Rights Management.. Its digital control.. Its digital control embedded into every entertainment device, storage medium, and computer in the world.