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mpawlo writes "Creative Commons just opened to the public. From the initial statement: "We are building a Web-based application for dedicating copyrighted works to the "public domain," and for generating flexible, generous licenses that permit copying and creative reuses of copyrighted works." Read also the article in the New York Times." There's also an older story that summarizes the concept behind the site, although I think their FAQ's do a pretty good job. A page at the Berkman Center documents some of the development of the project (although it doesn't render properly in konqueror for whatever reason). rbeattie describes it like so: "At O'Reilly's ongoing Emerging Technology Conference today, Creative Commons gave a presentation about their new service, an "easy way for people (like scholars, musicians, filmmakers, and authors--from world-renowned professionals to garage-based amateurs) to announce that their works are available for copying, modification, and redistribution." They've provided an online wizard where you can choose the type of license and restrictions you want to put on your work, and then they'll provide a circled CC logo you can put on your website with links to the license. In addition they are providing search functionality for those looking for public domain content - the license is provided in "machine readable form" (read: XML probably) so that it can be easily indexed/searched."
...or has this already been done?
There are also other sites dedicated to this idea.
"Shining a Spotlight on Sharing"
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This is a good thing.
Unless various legislation sponsored by the xxAA's gets passed, making greed mandatory
"It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
It's a tragedy that places like this must exist. Copyrights are so far from their original intent in the United States, they are almost alughable. Almost.
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For most starving artists (well, at least those who have starving for some time) they'd jump at the chance to make it big and forgo sharing their works publicly.
Once the first future star gets told by their agent or a big buyer that they love their stuff but can't support the Creative Commons license, one of two things would happen: 1. They abandon Creative Commons or 2. They abandon Creative Commons and tell the world how they screwed out of their first big 'hit' by releasing it for free. Unless open source software, it sounds like a system where, by its nature, the content is always inferior.
GNUArt opened a GPL'ed Art Gallery in January 2001.
I am however pleased to see that other people begin in the same direction which will make this way of thinking more and more popular until the merchants begin to think differently about what copyright protection should mean for the artists.
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How will Creative Commons affect the GPL or better yet how will the GPL affect Creative Commons?
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For "copyright violations", and for stealing parts of his idea. That will serve 'em right :)
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One thing that struck me is that this approach, while bringing people, their license, and their artistic product closer to the public domain than it would be otherwise with the automatic copyrighting that occurs know these are -not- going to be public domain works when these restrictions are applied to a basic license.
While this is still a step in the right direction do not be confused that adding restrictions like 'not for commercial use' or 'you can't make derivitive works (unless you contact me)' puts a work into a public domain. These restictions are closer and better(?), but still not a public domain work when you really chew on this concept.
One presenter was very bias'd toward companies using a work for 'commercial use' and was very intent on pushing that restriction. I was very uncomfortable with that position coming from someone at this organization. A next absurd step in that thinking, though you might know someone like this, is to add further restrictions that make sense to the person who owns the work, but not to the rest of us. "not for us in Iran", "not for use in the southern US."
Regardless of whether you believe these restrictions are justified or not is another issue. Adding restrictions is not my idea of a "public domain".
How will they verify that a work I submit is my own? Can they ensure all material will be in the public domain? What is to stop me from submitting an unfamous, yet copyrighted peice of artwork?
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How does one prove ownership of a particular property? And... How can Creative Commons prove that to users wary of something "too good to be true"?
What better way to sow the seeds of confustion is for someone masquarading as some obscure/forgotten author or artist (such as MC Hammer) and "giving" their works to the world. I wonder how long Creative Commons would exist after one of those little trojan horses was delivered? Not that the RIAA would EVER do anything like that.
I'll bet that proving ownership will ultimately prove to be too burdonsome.
Don't anthropomorphize computers, they don't like it.
Who in their right mind will give away the fruits of their labor for free. Here in NYC there are plenty of well to do artists selling their works for a lot of money. I haven't heard of a single one who toils just to give their work away for free. How many kids dream of being a rock star and being poor? Making unbelievable amounts of money goes hand in hand with dreams of making it big in the music biz. Same thing in anything else with creativity involved.
When I first read this, I thought, "great!" After all, this is every slashdotnik's dream, right?
But then I paused. You see, as much as we'd like to think otherwise, information not only doesn't "want to be free," but it will fight tooth and nail against becoming free. In today's MTV-fueled, Britney Spears world, much of the intellectual property that's out there is so entangled in derivative works that true public domain is just a geek's pipe dream.
If only it weren't so.
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Great tool for Estates of dead IP holders to be publicly philanthropic. Artists could will their entire bodies of work to this post mortem, make money while alive, and enrich the public domain.
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The only thing GNUArt shares with what made GNU or Linux software successful is the "GNU" in the name. Totally lost is any concept of modularly separating out the pieces so that one can make works using the material yet not being derived works under copyright law. Two market leaders of free software are the Linux kernel and the gcc compiler. Note that the point of a kernel is a separation between the kernel and userland. A person or company can make a product that invokes only the Linux system calls and license this product under any terms. Similarly usage of the gcc compiler does not give RMS any say over the licensing terms of the resulting binary. In fact the Linux kernel's owners even permit distribution of proprietary binary drivers that work with the kernel. Ironically it was the overly restrictive license of Minux that caused Linus Torvalds to create Linux in the first place. Part of the genius of Linus is that he initiated a system where he simply doesn't have to care what people bundle his kernel with in their distributions, what applications they use with the kernel, or how much money they make doing so without sharing one penny with him.
The control of the mass media corporations may be disburbing, but to assert that the solution is to create a "commons" where the only recompense is recognition is in contradiction to the entire history of Western art. The craftsman deserves to be paid for his work.
This project isn't target to people who want to be rock stars or commercial artists. Believe it or not, there are a lot of charitable people who donate thier time an efforts so they can inspire people, and this is a project to give the options to how they donate thier work to the public.
I agree that most people want to make a lot of money, but you're also underestimating the charitable nature of people.
"Communism is like having one [local] phone company " - Lenny Bruce
This really isn't a problem as it's been addressed with any other website that hosts text, images or movies.
Slashdot, Creative Commons or any other website can only be held liable if they fail to remove the offending content upon request of the copyright holder or if they were responsible for posting the copyrighted material.
"Communism is like having one [local] phone company " - Lenny Bruce
First of all, Creative Commons isn't really a new idea. Slashdot, MP3.com, and a slew of other websites allow users to post text, movies, music, and images that could be copyrighted.
What happens when someone posts MC Hammer on MP3.com? In this case, it is up to the copyright holder to notify MP3.com that they are infringing on thier copyright and to remove the material. If MP3.com does not comply, then the copyright holder can sue MP3.com, but only if MP3.com does not comply.
"Communism is like having one [local] phone company " - Lenny Bruce
From what I understand, copyrighted works will expire after X years after the issuing of copyright, regardless of it's use in other copyrighted materials, so I can't really see how derivitive works can entangle original works so as to cause them to expire at a later date.
"Communism is like having one [local] phone company " - Lenny Bruce
If an author/artist/programmer wants a customized "sharing" license for their work, they'd be well advised to run it by a lawyer or stick with an existing license
If someone submits copyrighted material (art, music, code) to a public website the website isn't held liable unless they were notified the material is copyrighted.
That doesn't mean the poster can't be held liable...
"Communism is like having one [local] phone company " - Lenny Bruce
I've been following the Creative Commons build-up for a while and am glad to see it finally launched. I would like to help and/or collaborate if you feel that would be productive.
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I listened to a presentation Lawrence Lessig gave at SXSW earlier this year and was motivated to action.
I've removed the copyright notice from all of my pages and replaced it with an invitation for people to use the content for whatever commercial or creative use they want.
For many years I've maintained a website where I have recipes, stories and thousands of photos. In the past many people have asked to use some of these and I've allowed it with the provision that they include a copyright notice and a link to me. People have stolen some of my designs and I've gotten very upset and threatened to sue.
But hearing your speech made me start to wonder why. What is the point of me stressing out over control of these things? I don't ever intend to make money from them. Why not open them to people who can find a creative use?
So I have.
Already people are grabbing the images and using them for some cool things. A film maker intends to use them in his work, websites are using them for banners. I am very happy. Here's a link to my page where we're discussing this:
http://www.jonsullivan.com/home_archive.php3?task
And an example of one of my public domain photo pages:
http://www.jonsullivan.com/BigPicture.php?imgid=1
I'm rather surprised at how tightly some people's idea of "art" is linked to copyright and control. I always thought art was creativity.
I'm very interested in using the "contributor application" and seeing how well it matches up with the licences I've been using. One thing I did see missing from the licences they show (Attribution, Noncommercial, etc) was an explicitly public domain licence.
Most of my photos actually fall into this category. I just want people to use them, even if I don't attribution. Of course this seems like a bit of a non-licence, but it would be nice to have something specifically stating that. I constantly get email indicating that a) people don't understand what public domain means, and b) they don't believe I really mean it.
At any rate, I want to thank Creative Commons for their work and inspiration.
Jon Sullivan
www.jonsullivan.com
As I understand it, an artist will be able to tailor the license. Perhaps an artist could make the art free for noncommercial use. If a big buyer comes along they have to pay for alternate licensing terms.
... a deficiency I sincerely hope will be corrected in the not too distant future. :-)
It is these sorts of licenses that are truly a big threat to the creation of a 'creative commons.' One of the reasons Free Software was able to succeed so well, and so quickly (a blink of an eye in historical terms) was because there were relatively few free licenses: X, BSD, and the GPL initially, around which a critical mass of software was able to evolve.
In a creative commons, one would ideally be able to incorporate the work of any project into their own, so long as their work is also released into the commons for others to use. As an example, I might want to have a Star Trek episode that is particularly apropos to my project, running on a television in the background in one of my movie's scenes. I cannot do this now because of draconian copyright regimes, nor will I be able to do this within my lifetime because of copyright's no longer (practical in human terms) limitation in duration.
But, if every clip and contribution is distributed under its own, tailormade license, I will likely be unable to do this in any project, even taking material from the creative commons.
Maybe, for example, I do want to sell my movie on custom burned DVDs, so I can make a little money to cover my filming expenses. But, I plan to release it under a GPL-like license (GPL-like so that Hollywood movie moghuls can't take my work and then steal the freedoms I offer from their customers by making it proprietary and css-encoding it onto their DVDs, for example, which public domain and BSD-like licenses wouldn't prevent), so it is free as in freedom, but commercial in that I'd like to get a couple of bucks selling my CDs. Or perhaps commercial in that, I've become successful and well known, and coca cola is paying me a bunch of cash to place their logo in a few key scenes in the movie.
Now I've got to wade through a dozen different licenses, for a dozen different clips or musical scores I'd like to include, any of which may be mutually incompatible with one another as well as my own project. This severely diminishes the usefulness of the creative commons.
What is needed is a relatively few number of licenses, as compatible with one another as possible. Ideally they would boil down to a GPL-like license, a BSD-like license, and public domain, so that, depending on one's philosophy, one can license ones work, and use the work of others, in a relatively straightforward approach. Whether one is using my Free Media License (still being drafted, not ready for use, and if a better, more widely accepted one a la the GPL comes along I'll use that instead), or one of the other licenses out there, as great a degree of compatiblity as possible is needed for a commons like this to work at all.
What is really missing from the entire Free Media and Creative Commons movement is a good, solid licensing framework we can all use to license our contributions. My Free Media License is one attempt to fix this, but I'd much rather be writing a novel than writing a license, and most other creative people probably feel likewise, which makes addressing this deficiency difficult.
Unfortunately, the Creative Commons website seems a little short on Licensing information as well
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Their FAQ says they're not going to host material, just provide links to it. So this whole thing is a nonissue. You follow the link to the author's web site, and on that site you'll find the legal stuff, straight from the horse's mouth.
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I agree that this is a very very good thing!!! I have a novel that I've been trying to shove into the public domain in a formal way for literally YEARS now. There is no formal system for making something public domain. You can find out if something's copyrighted (registered) fairly easily, and there are trademarks and patents listed in searchable databases... But Project Gutenberg doesn't accept modern works to be placed in the public domain -- including my novel! Very very frustrating. I'll admit, it's not a fantastically great book - but it's a real, full novel and I do want to give it away.
I know people say 'Who in their right mind would do that?', but as someone who almost had her shirt sued off because she did fan-art based on a set of novels, I can tell you I'm doing it so that anyone who's inspired by my writing can be inspired, create from it, and never fear that some $500-an-hour lawyer is going to train their gunsights on them for it.
And what happened to Napster with that same philosophy? This "I can get away with it as long as I don't get caught" mentality is positively sickening.
The original poster is right. People will forge credentials and get Creative Commons to mark goods as free. Other people will then use the goods illegally,m actual copyright holder finds out, and it all hits the fan.
If they cannot prove that the person "freeing" the work is the actual creator of the work. they will fail miserably. 1 year, 5 years, who knows, but failure is the only possible outcome.
Now it's not that they COULDN'T do it. A face to face meeting with physical proof. Positive ID and noterized documents would go a long way to preventing fraud. But if you can do all this on line, they are in for a lot of trouble.
Contrary to popular belief, coding is not all free blow-jobs and beer. Those things cost MONEY!
You can still get into trouble - even if you just have a link to something.
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And what happened to Napster with that same philosophy? This "I can get away with it as long as I don't get caught" mentality is positively sickening.
You obviously didn't understand the Napster case, because if you did, you would have understand they ruled that Napster wasn't fulfilling thier part to prevent the posting/trading of KNOWN copyrighted material.
The RECORD INDUSTRY IS RESPONSIBLE for providing Napster with a list of known copyrighted works which can't be added to the database for trading.
Creative Commons is considered an ISP. If I posted copyrighted MP3's on my website hosted by my ISP, my ISP could be help liable on two conditions.
1. They knew I was posting copyrighted MP3's and ignored it.
2. The copyright holder notified them, and they did nothing.
The RIAA's case against Napster was that they notified Napster of the copyright infringement, and Napster didn't nothing to prevent those known copyrighted works from being traded.
Do you get it now?
"Communism is like having one [local] phone company " - Lenny Bruce
Your congress critters already made a provision for handling this and put it in the DMCA so ISP's and websites wouldn't get sued into oblivion if this scenerio happened.
If someone has copyed and posted your work, here's what you or any other copyright hold has to do.
If you have a lesser work, all you have to do it tell the nice people at Creative Commons to remove links to people infringing on your copyright. Then send another nice letter to the ISP who's hosting your copyrighted material.
If you want to attack the root of the problem, you can even take the copyright infringer to court for damages.
"Communism is like having one [local] phone company " - Lenny Bruce
I've had a community wiki project in place for months and I've been promoting it around the Jersey City artistic community for a couple of months.
Its beginning to pay off and generate interest. Maybe you'll be able to find my site. The DNS servers don't seem to know about http://www.creativecommons.org/ yet.
I'm using an implementation of wiki, phpwiki-1.3.3, which uses logon to attribute edits to their authors, tracks all deltas and I back the thing up everyday.
I have no opinions on subject matter, I apply no censorship. I am just trying to give writers a place to collaborate on works, register a copyright on their own works and perhaps round out some things which have always been experimental and awkward and bring to works words which couldn't exist in any othjer form.
Come see it at http://wage.packet.org/
Click on the community Wiki in the left hand pane and if you're a writer, contribute your ideas
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Maybe I'm missing something (in fact, in a sense I hope I am), but there appears to be no database of works, just information on "open" licenses that can be used. This is good, but not as helpful as providing access to the actual works themselves. The latter function is apparently the intent behind Creative Commons, as well as the Open Music Registry (with a narrower focus, of course).
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It is these sorts of licenses that are truly a big threat to the creation of a 'creative commons.' .... if every clip and contribution is distributed under its own, tailormade license, I will likely be unable to do this in any project, even taking material from the creative commons.
I disagree. The critical thing here is the machine-aided roll-your-own licencing based on standardized template components. Right now the custom license is based off six simple clauses. This could eventually expand to include variables such as cost (with automatic payment systems) duration and so forth. By keeping the compnent clauses simple and common (just like HTML tags are simple and common) you should have no problems quickly checking the compatability of licenses. Since everything is machine-readable (xml) you could build this right into some DRM software that chould check all the materials you're sampling: you'd debug your license like you would your code.
This is exactly the kind of application that we (content creators, artists: I'm one) need to take control of copyright. It gets us out from under the thumb of lawyers and lets us fight fire with fire (our own licensing terms to combat restrictive corporation-favoring IP laws).
I remember working with someone on this idea (machine-maintained licenses) 4 years ago. Back then, nobody saw it. Hopefully creativecommons.org will help bring that innovation to light.
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If it has a copyright or license, it isn't Public Domain. Duh!
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I'm very aware that copyrights keep being extended, what I'm suggesting is that derivative works have no bearing on when the copyright will expire, which seemed to be what the original posters was saying. Was it???
Extending copyrights indefinitely is definitely a Bad Thing(tm).
"Communism is like having one [local] phone company " - Lenny Bruce
You may find it sickening, but
- It's the way the law works! It's not like the original poster was making it up, that's how the DMCA covers this exact situation. Look it up for yourself.
- How else do you expect it to work? Emphasis on work, not expect like you might read it at first. Ethically, it's just not my problem to figure out whether your works are being infringed, and practically, it's impossible for any non-trivial service to decide whether a given piece of content is copyrighted. Are you going to look at each and every comment posted on Slashdot, determine whether its copyrighted by someone other then the poster, further determine whether the poster has permission to post it to Slashdot (which they may!), and then take corrective action? Do you want that job? Does anybody?
It's just not practical to expect any service that allows content posting to check everything, if for no other reason then you have to check for permission, in addition to copyright status! That's why the DMCA distributes the responsibility back to the copyright holders. It can't work any other way. Like I said, you may find it sickening, but not only is it the way it works, it's the only way it can work. (And remember... Napster never posted a copyrighted song on their service. Place the blame where it belongs, with the violators.)