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Palm OS Emulator Ported to Sharp Zaurus
An Anonymous Coward writes: "Palm Info Center reports that POSE (the Palm Os Emulator) has been ported to the Sharp Zaurus using the QTopia palmtop environment. See the QPOSE homepage for more information." This could make a Zaurus a much more attractive device to those of us with lots of important info on Palm Os devices, but according to other readers' submissions it does require a Palm ROM image to function.
Now I can play Gameboy ROMs!
The PalmOS. Could that be done?
Yeah, it's a lame joke but someone had to do it.
STOP MISUSING APOSTROPHES, YOU MORONS!!!
Palm gives out the ROMs for various models via the web for their free "development" Palm emulator. If these ROMs will work for the emulator, you're set.
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Oh good... That system needed an OS. Looks like someone finally found one!
Anyone who has only had a minor glimps behind the scenes of emulation (or rather emulation hardware) knows that its more than hard work.
It always boils down to:
-Attempt to reverse engineer
-Guess
-Try it
-Goto 1
Not to mention that all these steps should be 100% error-free and highly efficient code wise...
Major props to the emulation programmers!
+++ MELON MELON MELON +++ Out of Cheese Error +++ redo from start +++
To use the palm os you would have to have the roms. This could be very cool as a reaplacement for my palmIIIe. What would be really cool would be a lib that you could use so all you have to do is recompile your palm apps to work on the Sharp
are people that do have a lot of data in their palms. That suggests that they probably have a palm...
I have 4 old palms of various shapes and sizes, I think I should have the right to use the rom on my Zaurus don't you?
I'll buy the first non WindowsCE handheld for which there is a good NES emulator.
I wanna play Mario3 on a handspring, dammit!
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Although efforts to port the Palm OS to a commodore 64 have not yet succeeded. News is out (http://popularscience.com) that they gave ported the PalmOS to a ternery computing system, compliments of Bell Labs. They claim that this could actually "revolutionize the way we think about personal computing devices." The porting to the Sharp device is definitly an interesting read, but it is being sia dthat this will not really take off like they would like it to due to the fact that Palm OS is a Real-time OS, and the Sharp Zaurus was not built with real-time processing in mind. Upgrading their hardware to adapt to real-time needs on a mass-production level would cost Sharp millions of dollars for an investment that they are not even sure about.
You see, there's a gameboy emulator for Palm Pilots.
Will be interesting to see if eBay will eventually start to list a destroyed Palm device (one that was run over, went through the washing machine, etc), as a few dollar item that contains a valid legal licence to a PalmOS ROM that can then be used to as an emulation in a non Palm devices.
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I don't think this will be useful for much of anything until the speed issue is fixed. The emulator takes nearly 3 minutes to go from the Palm logo to the main icon view. I'm not exaggerating.
Its painful.
really really painful.
dude, why would you want gameboy when you can install zmame?
http://www.mameworld.net/zmame/.
That's the same guy who did the POSE port btw. Man has respect in my book :)
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"eye-for-an-eye"? They must have cut that scene to get the PG-13 rating!
Plus, if he was in a rage, he would have killed them all first.... Eeeeeewwwww... Myself, I don't see having your corpse raped as being as bad as being raped while you're alive. Of course, that's just my personal preferences speaking.
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No problem!!! We can fix that by creating a Zaurus Emulator that runs the PalmOS emulator and we can just run both on a REALLY speedy laptop... uhm... uh.... Nevermind....
Don't anthropomorphize computers, they don't like it.
They must be RUNNING it on a palm hand held!
Heres the text of the article
Many are working to port PalmOS to PocketPC also.
Here is a in-depth review a while ago of one of the stronger offerings:
Review of alpha version of "PocketPalm"
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I have a Palm device. I am searching for a new handheld, but the devices I like the hardware the most do not run PalmOS, which is a need for me. I believe I could legally use my PalmOS ROM in the Zaurus, if I would stop using the Palm. And I would really stop, if I could use my Palm stuff on the Zaurus. If Sharp could provide users such a "migration kit" software for Palm users, that would backup the users Palm ROM and apps to a Zaurus, I guess they could really gain some part of the Palm market. Sharp should really put some resources in these emulation projects. Sell a "Palm compatible" device with much better hardware could be a nice advantage.
If you have a Handspring Visor, which IMHO was one of the best PDA's ever, there are instructions for how to extract the ROM using the supplied USB cradle over at VisorCentral.com.
First, the emulation is VERY VERY VERY slow, at least when I tried it. Two, it's very simple to find the roms, but I'm not about to say how. All I know is google is your friend.
Palm will give it to you as part of the developers program which is free.
Sean.OutaHere()
The Palm company is moving to ARM and the POSE is for the 68k processor. So it looks like it's obselete on arrival.
remember when sony released their "enhanced" POSE that had their proprietary hardware built in, and didn't release the source? Since POSE is GPL, /. was all huffy and up-in-arms about that...
Well check out the link to the source on this guy's page....oh wait...that's not a link....
OK, you have tons of stuff for PalmOS but no Palm from which to take a ROM image?
Since you look a little confused, let me help you. If you want quality portable classic NES gaming, I suggest the following:
PocketNES NES Emulator for the GBA
Gameboy Advance
Flash GBA Cartridge for "burning" NES, Gameboy, Gameboy Color, and Gameboy Advance games
Note that you could burn all of your favorite NES, GB, GBC, and GBA games to that one Flash Cartridge because the Flash Cart comes with a multi-rom menu feature.
With all of that gaming on the go... the great battery life, nice controls, etc... what else would you need? Also, note that running the NES emulator directly on the Gameboy Advance's hardware is far better than running it ontop of a non-realtime operating system such as Linux and WinCE. Gaming, imo, requires a realtime OS or no OS at all. I mean, who really likes those pauses in the middle of a heavy action sequence in your game?
I don't see anything that talks about graffiti or other handwriting recognition technologies in either the zaurus or the emulator. I assume it's in the emulator at least, but such assumptions have bit me before...
and away from hardware with OS bundle (aka Palm 505, V, etc).
One of the reasons I bought 1/1000th of Palm after IPO lockup drop was that I predicted they would:
a. survive the dot com crash (didn't know when that would happen but did know valuations were nuts);
b. increase revenue sales of the OS to other devices to the point where it would become the major share of their revenues.
Hardware usually has bad ROI, but software has good ROI, provided you're one of the lead providers.
So from this we can gather that you'll be reading many many more articles on "Palm ports OS to [insert device h/w here]" over the next year - and if you read the annual report, you can read between the lines.
In some ways, open source (e.g. BSD, Linux) threatens their market space, as the cost factor is even lower, but the patent background should permit them to survive in the evolving non-PC era of the 2001-2020 era as devices and such fade into the background. But they have successfully defended against MSFT and other attempts.
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Seriously though, it is fun to be able to emulate other operating systems etc. but if you find yourself really needing to use the Emulator on a constant basis for most of your programs etc. wouldn't you be better off going for the Device that is made for the OS you want to use?
The emulator for Palm has been available for Yopy PDA for some time now.
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If you end up with a large number of programs which were written for PalmOS, then you probably ought to seriously consider buying a Palm.
But what if you're completely happy with your portable Windows device, except for a small handfull of Commercial/Proprietary programs that you would really like/need to run which have only been ported to the Palm? - For which there IS NO analogue written for WinCE or PocketPC?
What do you do then? Do you buy another $200+ handheld just so you can use one or two programs?
Or is saving $200 enough incentive to see if maybe the program will run in an emulator?
Assuming the program would run sufficiently well in an emulator on your Zaurus or whatever, the one major stumbling block I can see is the issue of data synchronization. If an application was written for the PalmOS and a Palm Conduit was written for it, how do you synchronize your data if you're running the app emulated on a CE device?
Has anyone written written a wrapper to run Palm Conduits via the Microsofty Sync-thinghie?
It can't be that slow. My 166mhz pentium mmx laptop runs p.o.s.e. at around one third the speed of my PalmIIIx, so a 206mhz ARM processor should be slightly faster than that. It's slow, but it's bearable.
BTW, if you all don't have pilot ROM's, you could just download the LinuxDA demo roms and run that... j/k, the LinuxDA rom's don't work on POSE, anyway.
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I believe the Sharp Zaurus comes with Java - if not, you could load it with Kaffe, then get a Java-based NES emulator. I don't know how slow this would be (shouldn't matter with NES, and Kaffe is fast), but a similar approach would work on many other PDAs, too.