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Nokia 9290 Finally Available in the US
AmyZ writes "The new Nokia 9290 Communicator has finally become available for US residents. Europe has had the 9210 for over a year now. Its a GSM based phone and well as a PDA that uses Symbian as its OS." I still don't quite feel that the PDA/Cellphone
combo has come of age, but its nice to see another entry. That machine does looks to
be sufficient for basic web tasks.
The actual URL is http://www.nokiausa.com/communicator/features/1,49 83,,00.html. I hope.
Symbian rocks.
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http://www.nokiausa.com/communicator/features/1,49 83,,00.html
Here is a link to the phone that works.
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The page you requested has moved. Click one of the links below to go to the new NokiaUSA Web site.
Go here: http://www.nokiausa.com/communicator/features/1,49 83,|SRC-P,00.html - if it doesn't work they are detecting via javascript that you came from slashdot or something.
your talking into your car stereos removable face. Other than that it looks pretty sweet.
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About the mobile phone/pda combo. Unless you're using an external headset or something similar, how can you take notes while you're on the phone? That's one of the things I use my pda for all the time.
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a coworker just got a treo and i played with it for a while, and can't say that i like it at all.
contrary to what i've read here many times, you can talk on the phone using and ear piece and go through your schedule at the same time, and yes that could be useful. but combining them takes away from both products and the only advantage is carrying around 1 less gadget.
all you end up with is a tiny PDA and a huge cell phone.
i remember seeing a tiny concept pda a while ago with flip out screens that merge to make 1 big screen... if they could do that and keep the size to a standard (small) cell phone, that might be useful, but until then, a visor prism + cell serves my need much better.
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http://www.nokiausa.com/communicator/
Do you detect the strong possibility of pr0n sites aimed at wireless device browsers? I wonder if this thing has 16 or 8 bit colour. (teehee!)
Did anyone else read that as the "90210" model phone? I nearly had a wicked high school flashback of epic bad TV show proportions... So long as this phone doesn't just operate in Beverly Hills, everything is cool...
Jason
He's totally creeping out the Great One, eh...
I was actually at Symbian on Wednesday night at their Cambridge office. One of the things that struck me about the new things they are talking about is that application installation will be a lot easier on the newer phones they are working with. This will help with the PDA / cellphone merge, since the behaviour of the phone is no longer "hard-baked" with the release. If nothing else, it may mean that bug-fixes may become available without having to send off your phone.
:)
Some of the new phones look very cool indeed. Japan is a good indicator, as it tends to be about 1.5 years ahead of Britain (and, ooh, a decade or so ahead of the U.S.
Henry
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Well I nolonger use the Text messenging on my phone due to SPAM see http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=33349&cid=3602 181
BUT I at one time did use both a PDA and a phone.. I used the PDA for notes, phone numbers and the daytimer features.. but lugging around both a phone and a PDA is a pain if you have them both clipped to your belt.. So now I just use the Phone.. The daytimer features of an average Phone suck (and they usualy charge ALOT for the data cable and software if you want to sync it with your PC), so I would gladly have a PDA/Phone if it had a good form factor and full PDA features.. including a way to sync it with a PC.
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The Nokia 9290 combines crystal clear sound with text and voice messaging, "browsing," and the best technical support this side of the Atlantic.
My company recently switched from the old Motorola 362z to the 9290 for all of our inter-office and transcontinental communication, and the results have so far been superlative. These babies integrate seamlessly with Windows, Mac, and even Linux productivity apps, and transition costs were minimal.
Another strong point of these phones is data management. In that sense they function as PDAs. In our business we must gather and keep track of thousands of valid email addresses, and the 9290 offers best-of-breed features that make my life a breeze.
Another home run, Nokia...keep up the great work!
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Symbian?
I thought that was one of those vibrator machines those chicks sit on in those movies i found on Kazaa.
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Here's a great site for finding software for your 9210 or 9290:
http://www.my-communicator.com/
Try playing DOOM or boot Linux/Elks on the IBM XT emulator. Cool stuff!
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For $600, you don't get:
So you've paid a lot of money for a PDA/phone, and then you've still got to fork out more for additional memory, yet another phone to cover the other two bands, and (if applicable) a Mac OS sync program (which isn't even compatible with Mac OS X). And what's with the non-standard units of measurement on the specification page? Nokia are probably trying to disguise the fact that this sucker is 16 cm long and weighs 250 g.
You are insane, you realize that, no? How will a qwerty keyboard the size of a large candy bar give you RSI in a way that a dvorak one wouldn't? We're talking hunt-and-peck all the way.
The full specifications page for the 9290 mentions that the phone has "GSM phase 2 signaling," but this doesn't tell me much. It must work on 1900 MHz because VoiceStream is selling it, but will it work on 900/1800 MHz too?
So I definitely think you have an excellent point concering the fact that many people don't want a complex cell phone.
But I want both a Cell Phone and a PDA. I want to play chess while I'm on the Bus. I want to have my shopping list with me when I go to the store. I want to be reminded that I have an upcoming meeting, etc. And even more complex features that integrate the power of both a Cell Phone and a general computing device like a "Don't ring if I'm in the middle of a meeting" setting.
So it's completely reasonable that simple models will cater to people like you that don't want all that extra baggage (price and size), and that other models will cater to people like me that want more features.
I can envision these products being sold like swiss army knives:
"The only rights you have are the rights you are willing to fight for."
Just install the NFS server on it and mount the Communicator on your Linux machine:
NFS server for Nokia 9210/9290
"I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them." -- George H. W. Bush
My employer gave me two for testing earlier this year. (We're an integrator; Nokia was talking to us about selling them, and we were talking to other companies [such as IBM] about developing/selling applications for our end users.)
As phones, they rock. The best feature (by far) is the speakerphone. I could set it on my monitor, lean back in my chair, and talk to customers without them ever knowing that I was using a speaker phone (when I called my mom, she said it sounded no worse than a regular cell phone call). Setting it up with Outlook contacts is a cinch (I didn't try synching it with any other contact management prorams). The nice wide screen is nice for HTTP: browing (compared to, say, the iPaq, where you have to scroll over to the right to see the rest of the page). I had several movie clips (Spider-man, Episode II, Jurassic Park, etc.) that I would use to show customers just how awesome that little screen was...
As organizers, however, they SUCK ASS. There is NO stylus, and you can't touch the screen like you can on a Palm. You change one contact's info, and it takes fucking forever to replicate those new changes over (an eternity compared to Palm's Hotsynch). While a few features are cool (they've got programs in there open up Word, Excel, and PowerPoint documents), overall it is very unimpressive compared to the many other PDAs out there (Palm, iPaq, etc.).
I'm not sure why the transfer rate is so bad. It takes an eternity to backup over a serial cable (the prototype NFS unit I had, at least, didn't come with any sort of firewire, USB, etc. cable). When you back it up for the first time (everything on the little hard drive to your desktop), you might as well do something else for the next several hours.
I had all sorts of weird bugs on my prototype. The first software version that they gave us was very buggy (I couldn't even synch it with Outlook). Finally I got in touch with a Nokia engineer who FedExed me a copy of their latest one. While that fixed my Outlook problems, I still had all sorts of weird synching problems under Windows 98 and 2000. (For example, my computer would all of a sudden stop seeing my Communicator. I would have to reboot just to see the Communicator again.) This was like 3 months ago, so hopefully they fixed all that in their latest release.
All in all, I've spent hundreds of hours testing them. (Setting them up for sales reps to show customers, recording bugs, installing all sorts of programs [yes, even DOOM!], racking up 5000 minutes on my long commutes each month...etc.). All this testing, and I still can't say that I'd recommend this for the average PDA user. (There are, however, certain niche markets that could definitely benefits from this sorta gadget.)
The sales manager in our company wanted me to set it up so that sales reps could access a 5000 record ACT! database on a Citrix server via these communicators. Because of other more important projects, I put that on the back burner. Has anyone else done anything similar with them?
Believe me, you'd rather have something else. I've tested them quite extensively, and I think that they suck overall.
IMHO..."out of the box", the Palm-based phone devices are way ahead of the game.
Other than receiving headlines e-mailed to me, I honestly don't use it everyday. However, it has helped me on a few occasions:
- We were on vacation, and were supposed to meet someone in Chicago. We wanted to find out something about our meeting, but wasn't sure what number she would be at, but knew she was checking a HotMail-type account. So, we e-mailed her, and got our answer.
- My team has pagers with alpha capaiblity (yes, the phone could fill in, but there are other requirements for the pager). I frequently send a text-page from my phone this way, regardless of where I might be.
- When I'm out of town on business, my wife and I exchanged a series of e-mails. Nice to be in touch on the road randomly.
I admit that I probably could cancel it and only occasionally notice, however, it is providing enough value to be worth it to me.My provider has indicated that they are likely to provide chatting with AOL IM users. Bridging the phone-to-IM gap will be nice.
I don't use text messages because AT&T only let you send messages to other AT&T customers and email. What's the point? But I see my friends in Norway sending messages back and forth to everybody, and I would love to do something similar (instead of calling, just type something like "meet me at Joe's @ 10") The receiver can read anytime, and I don't have to wait to they get free to get my message.
Je ne parle pas francais.
A cell phone is all I really need (and even that is somewhat questionable; more like a cell phone is all I really want). If I need to take notes, I carry around a small notebook (about 3" x 5") and a pencil. Smaller than most PDAs, and I can write faster on it (especially using an informal sort of shorthand) than most people can enter data into PDAs. And I can flip through pages a lot faster than you can scroll on a PDA.
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The reason why we're finally seeing the Nokia 9290 and the Handspring Treo shipping in the USA is the fact both AT&T Wireless and Cingular Wireless are doing large-scale rollouts of GSM digital cellular systems here in the USA, and the 9290 and Treo were designed for GSM operation.
Given that AT&T and Cingular are huge cellular companies, that at once provides a large enough user base for these types of advanced cellphones here in the USA. That means the USA could be riding the wave of 3GSM third-generation cellphones almost as fast as folks in Europe and Japan, since everyone will be using roughly the same digital cellular standard.
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As a lazy person, I can't be bothered.
In reality, I rarely even carry around a small notebook. I do carry around a pencil, but when I want to write things down, I do it on the back of receipts or napkins.
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I have just one question: can you run an SSH session with them? (For a system administrator or programmer who gets a call about the webserver/application being down and wants to securely login to one over his cell phone...)
--LP
I don't know, but it's probably because there's only one phone company in Norway.
and compared to other cell phones it simply outdoes them. The company that I worked for some time ago was asked to redo the pim applications for the phone and it was going to run (you guessed it) linux. I probably can't say much about it because of NDA's but all in all the development group was wondering when this phone would hit the US market. For what you got it didn't seem all that bulky and had a ton of features.
A totally working version of DOOM in your mobile phone and even in color!
:-) Communicator can also run games from ZX Spectrum (freeware)! If this is not the ultimate gaming phone, I don't know what is.
(actually there's even two versions, Hannu Viitala's CDoom (open source) and a commercial version by Wildpalm)
It has also other great games like Terra Force
But wait, this is not all
I'm still waiting for the first games, which support multiplayer-modes. Unfortunately this may require the GPRS version of Comminicator, which hopefully is out quite soon..
Ville
ps. I'm no way connected to Nokia or Wildpalm..
Yes, it does (Google is your friend :-)
F-Secure's version exists and there's also
(not so suprisingly SSH's version.
Ville
You don't feel the PDA/Cellphone combo has come of age because the cellular coverage in the US is not ubiquitous enough to make it really useful?
The ability to be anywhere in europe & have datacomm for your pda & voice etc..... is a huge plus when it comes to this.
Yes.. but that's only really beneficial in Europe.
THe US cellphone market is so screwed up that they don't get it.
Text messaging is a gimmick that hardly anyone uses in the US.
In fact, when many say text messaging, they actually mean one-way text message paging.
I saw this thing when I was in Beijing. Ugly as sin, not to mention you have to hold the phone upside down to talk out of it, so the dialpad is on the other side. What happens if you have to enter an extension or something, after you connect?
I dunno about the functionality of it tho.. I couldn't read any of the hanzi characters on the LCD screen.
I've used the 9000 for a few years. It was a great remote terminal (telnet/ssh) for a lot of sysadmin tasks; it saved me more than once while working at various startups around the south SF bay area. When the 8890 came out, I took to carrying that instead due to it's immensely small size and good IrDA-modem capabilities (just set it beside the laptop and rock on)... as I finally had a tiny Sony VAIO laptop I could keep with me.
.WAV (or with extra software, .MP3) files for ringtones, coupled with the possibility of assigning a ring-tone to every contact entry in the phone, memory permitting. Having one's phone ring like a Daft Punk song or a friend's call announced by a good Pulp Fiction quote is just _way_ too much fun.
The VAIO is long gone, replaced by a meaty Dell 8200. The 9290 finally made it here after 8 months of waiting. The battery life is 8-10x that of the 9000 communicator, the screen is actually useable, the MMC additional memory comes in very handy, and the keyboard is no worse than before. It's a lot faster than the 9000 too.
Things Palmies will hate:
1. No touchscreen
2. Thumboarding-only
3. Most of the good software is from the UK market, and overall there's a lot less of it
It drives my ex-roomie (the Visor freak) nuts, but my friends who are WinCE users took to it pretty quickly. We're playing with the SDK now, trying to get some of our more favored clients to work on the device.
#1 "Geek Factor" the phone has: The ability to play
NOTE: For you California types, poor ol' behind-the-times Cingular has no clue this phone exists, and if you tell them you're using it on their network they tend to freak at you. It takes some serious arguing to get the SIM set up right (for 3 numbers, data/fax/voice) but they will eventually do it... and none of their tech group knows how to configure the WAP browser to work with their network. Their half-assed "my wireless web" product just doesn't cope well. Within a month or two they will hopefully come up to speed on it. I had the advantage of having gone through the 3-number setup for the older 9000, so I got off pretty easy. Once configured properly, it'll forward data calls to an attached laptop or receive faxes in the background, no user intervention required.
For those who asked earlier... yes, you can flip it open and keep working while you talk. You have your choice of speakerphone or ear-piece (depending on how public you want your convo to be). While the phone will intially default to a display showing the calling parties (up to 5 can be in a conference call at once, depending on your network), you can swap to whatever app you wish, for taking notes or reading from a spreadsheet, etc. The 'sound recorder' app will also operate during a call, and will capture both sides of the phone conversation very nicely.
It's not the 'uber PDA'. It's pretty big for a phone. As a combo-device, however, it does very well. The apps integrate with the GSM functions nicely. All my basic PDA needs are met: note taking, contact management, SMS management, faxing, email and simple web browsing. All the phone needs are there too, with the same features as most any Nokia phone, with nice GUI add-ons if you desire... with a battery lifespan that'll compete with any modern phone. These basic needs are quite well met by a device that still fits on the hip and only has to be charged at the end of the work-week, letting me leave the bulky laptop on the desk most of the time. If I really need to do more, I'll be sure to pack up the laptop and bring it along -- and even then, I can use the 9290 as a GSM-modem.
those bloody buttons look pathetic
Afterall it is basically a Psion with GSM capabilities. Its even has the same format, so why no 'fair dinkum' Psion keys instead of those poxie buttons.?
People won't have enough until their teenagers turn radioactive and sterile.
Cell phones emit non-ionizing radiation (and very low levels at that).
Standing in the sun for 1 minute is FAR more dangerous than spending your lifetime speaking on a cell phone. Cell phone radiation is non cancer causing.
There is TONS of evidence of ionizing radiation causing cancers, yet nil evidence for the same from non-ionizing radiation. So you can safely eat your microwaved food, speak on your mobile and cordless phones and use your WiFi cards.
Watching a CRT based display (capable of emitting small amounts of X rays) can be slightly dangerous, using a cell phone is not.
War crimes, torture, lies, illegal spying... Would someone give Bush a blowjob, already, so he can be impeached?
Sorry, I did find it funny though. ; )
War crimes, torture, lies, illegal spying... Would someone give Bush a blowjob, already, so he can be impeached?