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Toshiba e740 Pocket PC

Brian writes "Details of the e740, Toshiba's XScale model which will be powered by PocketPC 2002 has been leaked. PDA LIVE.com has the scoop and the photo :)" Integrated 802.11b, nice.

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  1. Now taking bets... by Akardam · · Score: 2, Redundant

    ... on how long it takes someone to get a Linux kernel hacked onto the thing :)

    1. Re:Now taking bets... by nathanm · · Score: 2

      It should already run on this. Montavista had Linux running on the XScale architecture in February (story here). Also, the XScale CPU can run code written for the StrongArm SA-1110, which powers the HP iPaq, Sharp Zaurus, & other PDAs (specs here).

    2. Re:Now taking bets... by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 2

      The CPU is no problem, but each model tends to need different drivers. Unfortunately, PDA hardware isn't as standardized as PC hardware.

  2. e740 X 2=better than my pc.... by BerserkDog · · Score: 3, Funny

    400MHz Intel XScale Processor, a 3.5" 16-bit reflective screen, 64MB RAM, 32MB ROM

    Get two e740's, add a little more ROM and it's better than my pc...I really need to have a talk with the wife about my allowance.....

    P.S.Could someone extract all these "anonymous cowards" from my butt?

  3. Re:Is Xscale ARM or not then? by Triskaidekaphobia · · Score: 5, Informative

    ARM helped Intel.

  4. What's needed on new PDAs and Not Yet Available by pinkpineapple · · Score: 5, Interesting

    - 3D to a lesser extent than desktop: If I buy one of these, it's gonna be to play on it half of the time.
    - USB in: HP did release a Palm PC allowing you to connect devices like keyboard, mouse and the like to it. And that was really cool when using it on a desktop. Unfortunately, no USB hub on these little sucker.
    - No integrated extended battery pack ala VAIO. What I would like to get is a double or triple life battery extension that matches the design of the PDA.
    - Most PDA come with no screen cover. Being the most fragile part of a device that you are supposed to carry all over the place, this one is just a pure puzzle to me.
    - I want WiFi AND Bluetooth, not one or the other.
    - Wireless earphones so I can listen to my mp3s without tripping in the cables, or hanging myself when I take out my coat.
    - etc...

    PPA, the girl next door.

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    1. Re:What's needed on new PDAs and Not Yet Available by jonbrewer · · Score: 2

      Wireless earphones so I can listen to my mp3s without tripping in the cables, or hanging myself when I take out my coat.
      - etc...


      I imagine you could do this with the bluetooth interface, a la Ericsson's http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=ERIC_HBH- 15 bluetooth headset.

  5. Other sites on e740 by doubtless · · Score: 5, Informative

    blue unplugged.com has a review, and expansys.com accepts preorder.

    Cheers!

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  6. When? by lowtekneq · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Small computers are great, but they do lack one thing that most geeks see as paramount in desktop systems, that is upgrading and builing them yourself. Though with laptops you can add/remove ram and harddrive(s) you cannot change the key compontents such as the cpu. What we need is some kind of standard that small/wearable computers need to be built around, not only would that help small businesses that don't have the money to start from scratch but it would also make a wearable computers move forward and become aplicable to the things we use desktops and servers for today.

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    1. Re:When? by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      There are a lot of us that aren't into the computer hotrod bullshit olympics. I want a computer, be it a desktop or a PDA, to just work. Be expandable of course, but with a PDA, being able to upgrade the processor, internal ROM and RAM isn't terribly important.

      You may like to read about the ChipSlice, which is, if anything else, such a standard for upgrading and expanding a PDA. Really sweet sounding architecture- and as a plus it runs PicoGUI on top of Linux. PicoGUI definately kicks some asses.

      The only modern PDA I've ever heard of that was able to accept CPU upgrades is the Newton 2x00 series. Cool, but not very important.

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  7. Integrated Wi-Fi sounds good by peterdaly · · Score: 2

    I could really take advantage of the Integrated Wi-Fi, seeing how I just equiped both my home and office for it. Integrated Wi-Fi inso a PDA changes drastically the posibilities of usage for such a device. Wireless is what I believe will change PDA's from being an expensive rolodex and note pad into a crucial business device.

    Too bad it's a PocketPC. The Sharp PDA looks interesting though, even though the Wi-Fi option is an aftermarket card.

    -Pete

  8. When will Pocket PC get a bigger screen? by Qrlx · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yay, 400 MHz must mean it's twice as fast as my 206 MHz IPaq, right? Well, regardless my main problem with the PocketPC line is that the screens are so small, by which I mean they don't have enough pixels. There's that new Clie or whatever with a 480x320 screen, and this dinky little PocketPC has a screen half that size. I'm just not impressed, even if it does say Microsoft when you turn it on.

    Porting your 640x480 app to a screen 1/4 the size is not easy!

    The other problem that I have with PocketPC is that the PocketPC Terminal Services Client won't let you run 128-bit encryption. Strange, considering that the Citrix Client does 128-bit encryption just fine. Citrix figured it out but MS, who CODED THE POCKETPC OS can't get it to work. Not very reassuring.

    And whoever said that PocketPC needs some kind of screen cover is right. And the OS itself is extremely difficult to work with from an installling-drivers-for-the-802.11-card perspective. Like to install software you have to have a Windows PC running ActiveSync. They should focus more on making the PocketPC a computer capable of standing on its own and not requiring constant trips to the cradle.

    1. Re:When will Pocket PC get a bigger screen? by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      Hear hear! Since I moved to an iPAQ with it's measly 320@240 screen from a Newton 2100u with a 480@320 screen, I've wondered many times why the hell there's not at least one available PocketPC with a decently sized screen. On a PDA, I expect to be able to take notes- not just keep schedules. I'm not talking about jotting down a short grocery list, but taking college lecture notes. I can do that fine on my Newton. The software is to do so is available on PocketPC (CalliGrapher), but not the hardware.

      Sure, there are laptop-style devices that run WinCE 3.0 with 640@480 screens, but they have a permenently attached keyboard. That doesn't cut it.

      The 480@320 Clie screen is OK, but is still physically small, with a high DPI. I'd like to have a larger screen with a lower DPI. A comprable DPI to the Newton or the iPAQ. I want more space to write and display, damnit!

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  9. why don't they put a decent gamepad on these? by John_Booty · · Score: 2

    sounds like these things have loads of horsepower; i'm sure some pretty amazing games can (and will) be played on them.

    games are pretty popular on PDAs, and this begs the question... why don't they make the controls better-suited to gaming?

    you know games are one of the reasons people use to justify the purchase of these things. nobody is buying one solely to game, of course, but why else do you need a 400mhz cpu in your PDA?

    just like the PC market, games are one of the driving forces behind ever more-powerful hardware, even if people don't always admit it/realize it.

    the thing that sucks about gaming on these machines, though, are the controls! they're awful, and your hands get cramped up. why don't they build one with a slightly bigger control pad? also, they should move its location from the center, over to the left, to resemble a more traditional gameboy setup. i can guarantee the company to do this first will see a nice return on their tiny investment. :)

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    1. Re:why don't they put a decent gamepad on these? by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      I know I'm in the minority, but I reap the benefits of a quite fast CPU in a PDA without playing games. I currently have PDAs with 206 MHz (iPAQ 3150) and 162 MHz (Newton 2100u) processors and utilize them without games. How? I use a PDA much like most people use a desktop computer. I do development (programming) on my PDAs. It's a way of doing what I want as far as coding, but without needing to be restrained by a desktop or even a laptop. It's a pain in the ass doing it on current PDAs- with their piddly 320@240 screens- but it's quite usable on a 480@320 screen, like on my Newton.

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    2. Re:why don't they put a decent gamepad on these? by nathanm · · Score: 2

      It's not exactly what you're looking for, but you could get one of these.

  10. Well... by Akardam · · Score: 2

    The possibility of making Beowulf cluster certianly should be raised, but the Slashdot Collective is probably more worried about it being driven by the Devil's software, so it seemed like the logical choice.

    1. Re:Well... by RevAaron · · Score: 2

      Heh, driven by the Devil's Software? Devil or no, there has to be pragmatist or two around here. There has to be a practical person or two around here. It's too bad about being so closed minded- Linux on a PDA sucks currently. I have no doubts that it'll get better, but I can't imagine using it for anything serious myself. Especially because of the complete lack of usable real handwriting recognition, or any projects that are working towards it [1].

      And before some numbskull posts a link to wavvy or xstroke- those are character recognition programs, not HWR.

      I'd love if there were though. On my iPAQ, I use PocketPC 2002. Sure, it gives me a dirty feeling, but at least I can use it for what I expect a PDA to do, rather than having just an overly expensive toy. If that's what you want though, that's fine- I just expect more I guess.

      At least there's Qtopia, which in the right direction, I suppose. But rather like KDE and GNOME, seem to be working towards a Windows clone rather than what works best. It's still pretty rough, but it's better than nothing.

      [1] If there is a fairly new project that is working towards this, please do prove me wrong, I'd love to hear about it. :)

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  11. Re:Hm by ahfoo · · Score: 2

    I was lamenting along the same lines yesterday or so on another Pocket PC story and I got links to three Linux efforts for PPC, but I wasn't impresed by any of them.
    The first was a page for a the earliest IPaQ running X, but the page was two years old and they had to tweak the hardware in what they themselves claimed was a fairly risky procedure just to get it to run Xcalc. So, that was more of a cool hack stunt than the KDE or Gnome distro for Pocket PC 2002 that I was hoping to find.
    Then some helpful individual started giving me cheerleader stuff about the Zaurus. Well it sure seems to me that the Zaurus is more about Java than what I think of as a Linux distro. Personally, I don't see any advantage to either Sun or IBM over Microsoft.
    Finally someobody pointed me to Symbian which also appears to rely quite heavily on Java. Perhaps Symbian did the Zaurus software or has some licensing deal, I'm not sure. They seem to be the closest thing to Linux for a Pocket PC platform.
    However, I recently did some work for a Pocket PC OEM and I researched the market in the course of that contract and learned about the OQO. This is probably going to be the Pocket PC platform killer as it's a Transmeta processor wth a micro hard drive that can run standard Linux distros and at the same time it can run XP, so Redmond likes it too. I honestly don't think the Pocket PC thing is going to work until something more like the OQO concept comes to market.
    I thought one of the coolest parts of the OQO design was the external LCD monitor and keyboard. The thing is like a Pocket PC when you're really on the road, but at home or work you plug it into a monitor. With a ultra thin bluetooth DVD burner it could be the pretty rad toy. Of course price is very important. All this stuff has to get much cheaper. The Pocket PCs are so overpriced right now and that GPRS service or whatever it's called is really hard to sell as a bargain when they're charging by the meg. Oh yeah you can use Instant Messaging pretty cheap and for some people in certain types of companies that's really super special but generally speaking it's a tough sell at twenty bucks a month with bandwidth caps of a few megs when people are thinking in wi-fi terms already.

  12. USB host mode available on Casio E200 and NEC P300 by Adam+J.+Richter · · Score: 2
    The Casio Cassiopeia E200 and NEC MobilePro P300 can be USB hosts.

    The Cassiopeia E200's cradle has both a USB client connector (for syncing) and a USB host connector. You can also buy a bottom lip for the Casio and that has the USB host connector, so you could drive a tree of USB devices while mobile. I saw a picture of it in a magazine review. I believe USB current out from the lip device is limited to 100mA (the USB specification allows current limitiations of 100mA to 500mA).

    I do not know if the NEC MobilePro P300's USB host mode requires it to be plugged into its cradle.

  13. Re:e570 by RevAaron · · Score: 2

    The big deal here isn't that the XScale *can* support both SD and CF, but that the model *does* support it, that they built physical slots to accept the media. That's what is cool.

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  14. Re:MMMMmmmmm by RevAaron · · Score: 2

    Why? So you can sound 31337 and name-droppy without even being at your computer, or for a good reason? ;)

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  15. Ah, the plot thickens. by ahfoo · · Score: 2

    Alright, this is more like it.
    I think I'm starting to get it which isn't too bad since I disdained portables till I got this gig with the Pocket PC company.
    The first IpaQ link I saw was obviously outdated, but handhelds.org is the scoop and a painfully obvious URL to boot. Thanks for clearing that up.
    I wasn't too far off though because I notice that they are suggesting you're going to want a microdrive to take advantage of all the Linux Arm goodness out there and this current set of flash memory powered devices is going to be lacking in that respect. Add that with the knowledge that WiFi still has some issues that should be addressed real soon but not quite yet and the verdict reads: not ready for prime time --yet.
    Besides, I think the OQO notion of being able to plug into an external monitor or KVM is excellent. Let's move production on those babies to China and drop the knob on the price selector. Or droolsville, how about 2X512Meg Compact Flash and dump the microdrive. Too pricey for now, but next year? Who knows.