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Mozilla 1.0 Officially Here
hhg writes "People of the world, rejoice! At last, the long awaited Mozilla 1.0 is released, and has emerged on the ftp.mozilla.org ftp-server. Let the release parties loose!" And there's even an Ann Arbor party now ;) Congratulations
to all the developers that contributed to the mighty lizard. And bahtama writes "The latest IE gopher hole patch is out! :) ... Check the release notes and then grab it from here."
A party because a piece of software was released? Social lives can be good too...
You want to know who isn't running Firefox 2.x? They spell it "definately" and "rediculous".
I think this is going to be a major boon for Linux. Far too long has Linux been considered a "marginal" OS with a handful of zealous believers. With Mozilla at 1.0, and KDE and Gnome almost ready for prime-time, and several Linux office suites in the final planning stages, Linux is poised for triumph.
Watch the Windows users come running in droves!
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Yeah, but if your post is any indication, your troll.exe is at version 0.02alpha.
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Good work, moderators. I commend your pro-Linux stance!
No, they probably haven't, because Mozilla is not really supposed to be an end-user browser. It is supposed to be the engine for other end-user browsers. At least, that was its original intent. So leaving the debug stuff in the 1.0 makes sense, since they are always developing and not making a mass consumption product.
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Regardless, great news! Me == happy.
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5 minutes with the new browser under Mac OS X, surfing slashdot and mozillazine and the darn thing crashed on me!
What is their exact definition of a 'final' release?
Here's the link to the IE Patch:
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You are basically right, I think. Linux is making huge strides every day, and this is just another notch in the stick with which Linux will beat Microsoft about the face.
Linux has shown superiority over Windows in nearly every category. There are a few areas, such as compatability with mp3 players and other popular peripherals, compatability with the latest Office standards, and any serious desktop publishing, where Linux still lags a bit (though one need only check out SourceForge to see the attempted solutions slowly on the way), but with this release we can safely expect to see some big players "go Linux" Real Soon Now.
Go Mozilla!
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nuff said
And Mozilla 1.0 is by no means more polished or finished than a typical closed-source OTS software package -- on the contrary, because Mozilla has no paying customer or management to answer to, the browser suffers from innumerable problems. It's a RAM hog. It's slow. Its default user interface emphasizes form over function. It's slow. It does not support the current generation of Web-related standards. It's slow. (You may have noticed that I seem fixated on Mozilla's slowness. That's because the "final straw" that caused me to vow "never to download this piece of shit again" was related to its slowness. I have a Sun workstation that cost more money than Slashdot earns in a year. On this workstation, Internet Explorer takes x seconds to load, Netscape 4 takes 2x seconds to load, and Mozilla takes 15x (!!) seconds to load. Absolutely unacceptable and proof that most Mozilla developers have never used real UNIX, and certainly can't write good software for it.)
But I think that the most laughable thing of the farse that is the Mozilla project is that no one said "no" to any feature requests. Futhermore, the project is so disorganized that basic web browser functionality was often ignored so that developers could work on their favorite "cool" features. A good example is the mail client. Now I know that Netscape browsers traditionally include a mail client, but development on such a client should not have began until the browser was finished. And by finished I mean that it supports all current-generation Web-related standards. Even today, Mozilla does not support CSS2 features that Internet Explorer had two years ago. And the CSS2 recommendation was released in 1998. I simply don't understand why Mozilla implements a completely custom widget set when it doesn't even support CSS2. If Mozilla were a proper software development project, the team would have created a working, fast, memory-conservative, standards-based browser before any other features were even thought about. The UNIX and Unix-workalike browser market is essentially non-existant, and I can tell you that those of us who use UNIX for real work (as opposed to pirating MP3s and DVDs and other Taco-esque activities) would have appreciated a fast, standards-compliant browser with the Navigator 4.08 GUI and featureset much more than we appreciate the slow, RAM hog piece of unprofessional garbage that Mozilla has taken way too long to produce.
I use Windows, too, of course. (As does everyone. Even Taco. How do you think he plays all of those "l337" Windows-only video games that he always rants about?) And Windows users have even less reason to be impressed with Mozilla, because most of its "features" seem even more unecessary in a Windows environment. For example, the mail client is absolutely useless, because almost all Windows business users use Outlook or Outlook Express. And Gecko violates Windows user interface conventions, making it look more like some college student's "intro to VB let's see all of the cool buttons and colors that I can add to my app" project than an application that is actually intended for use in the real world.
Remember that Windows users make up almost all of the world's web surfers. As a browser, Internet Explorer is superior to Mozilla. No one cares about your colorful GUI or your half-assed mail client if you can't even make a decent browser. You have lost, have a nice day.
Mozilla has also lost on the UNIX platform. Internet Explorer is faster and more standards compliant. Ironically, it's also a much better UNIX application. By the way, did you know that Microsoft includes CDE icons with the IE/UNIX distribution? That's class.
Mozilla similarly fails on Mac OS 9 and X. IE owns that market, too.
All that Mozilla has left is GNU/Linux, and the only reason that it even has that market is that IE hasn't been ported to Linux yet.
The browser is a piece of crap. The project is a failure. The "developers" are embarassments to the open source community. I only hope that, now that 1.0 has finally been released, evreyone can give up on the project and move to another browser. All of you immature hypocritical fucktards seem to think that Microsoft isn't worth supporting because its software is bloated and buggy, right? Well, you should dump Mozilla for the same reason. Mozilla doesn't have the incredible featureset that makes Microsoft products the most popular in the world despite their flaws. If you want to continue to live in your little Linux fantasy-land where I'm sure you still think that Linux is "ready for the desktop" and that any sane consumer cares about your petty philosophical beef with capitalism, move to Konqueror or Opera. Neither of those browser is very good, but they do lack the fetid stink that has followed Mozilla ever since Netscape shat out that awful 4.x source code so many years ago.
Fuck you all.
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Why aren't you refusing to use IE because it doesn't support CSS correctly? It's time for MS to bite the bullet, and support some web standards like everybody else.
I would expect something more then this. I can't believe they went with the crappy Netscape interface. One of the reasons why everyone moves to IE was because NS had one of the worst user interfaces.
I did download one of the first version of Mozilla and I did like their interface but the finally version use NS crappy interface. Mozilla won't beat IE with this kind of crappy interface. What a waste of effort.
I just wish that bug #58554 would be fixed so that I can have use xv as my helper aplication for images. Why this is listed as an RFE and not a bug is beyond me. If you configure Mozilla to use "xv" as the helper application for MIME type "image/gif" and it continues to render the GIF inside the browser window, it's clearly a bug, and an annoying one at that! It's the only thing keeping me from switching from Netscape 4.x to Mozilla.
Aw, c'mon. How do you know how much he gives? Cursory google search turned up that Bill Gates is the greatest philanthropist in American history. At the very least,in 1999, he made what is believed to be the largest ever individual donation to charity..
I don't like his business practices, but as a philanthropist I don't think he deserves the scorn. (And, quite frankly, I don't care what his motivations for giving are either. The world would be better off if people always did the right thing for the wrong reasons, rather than the other way around.)
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What I really want to know is, why does it take 3s to open the bookmarks tab, and when you go away and come back, it takes 3s again?
NS4.7 read bookmarks from a text file and took less than 1s, why is Moz so slow at everything?
Feels like Java all over again!