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Mozilla 1.0 Officially Here
hhg writes "People of the world, rejoice! At last, the long awaited Mozilla 1.0 is released, and has emerged on the ftp.mozilla.org ftp-server. Let the release parties loose!" And there's even an Ann Arbor party now ;) Congratulations
to all the developers that contributed to the mighty lizard. And bahtama writes "The latest IE gopher hole patch is out! :) ... Check the release notes and then grab it from here."
Yeah, suck it CLIT!
For they're all jolly good fellows, For they're all jolly good fellows, For they're all jolly good fellows .....
And so say all of us!
Don't you think open source software would be more popular if it were advocated by girls like this instead of old guys with beards? What we need are more free software babes like her. This guy looks like he is about to cream his pants standing next to such a fox. If we do have to have the old guys with beards, we could at least make sure they are plenty of hot chicks too. I mean just look at this girl! Doesn't she make you hard? I know this little hottie floats my boat!
Join the campaign for more cute open source babes today!
Grab your lizard?
any suggestions?
The greatest right given is the right to be wrong...
its finally out, props out to the development team...
now how long before mozilla 2.0
Slashdot Hypocrisy at work?
http://www.mozillazine.org/articles/article2278.ht ml pretty much says it all :)
Congrats to all the hackers on the moz project. Fantastic job and well worth the wait.
In Soviet Russia...michael would be rotting in Siberia!
A party because a piece of software was released? Social lives can be good too...
You want to know who isn't running Firefox 2.x? They spell it "definately" and "rediculous".
Don't lizards eat gophers?
"I'm just here to regulate funkiness."
Which IE, the OS bound IE
...]
Ding dong, the wicked browser's dead!
It knew when you were sleeping
It let the virii in
And tried to blame it on other apps
But now we know it's Spring
Ding dong, IE is dead!
Which IE, Microserf IE
Ding dong, the wicked browser's dead!
[noone expects a thousand munchkins to defeat a wicked witch, but you just need a minor event or two
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--- Will in Seattle - What are you doing to fight the War?
Nice, first post on this story. Cool!
...then why do they still have RC3 listed as the latest build on their site?
"Ask not what your country can do for you." --John F. Kennedy
/me sends coats to hell
Finally, I can replace IE on Windows. Oh wait, I don't use Windows. Think I'll stick with Konqueror.
--
CodeRed, the lower user #. No relation to SirCam.
Time to pour one for me and one for my Mozilla homies.
BTW, FP.
First! Couldn't help it!
It still won't work as well as Opera.
Just my $.02
I just finished installing Mozilla 1 RC 3 and two articles down is another IE security hole. Go Mozilla!
FP
...of course, I'll use that new transfer protocol - TCP/IP over Flying Pigs.
...but I'll have to bundle up - my office just froze over.
..and maybe I won't have time - I think an attractive girl just mentioned that she may want to talk to me.
...but it's being eaten...by some...Linux or something...
Now, why won't http://www.schnitzer.at/mozparty/ come up?
I am not your blowing wind, I am the lightning.
This order of snowshovels goes where?
First amazon.com had a profitable quarter.
Next, Slashdot sold out (Again)
Then, mozilla was released.
Coming up Warcraft III and Duke Nukem forever released.
Since the release notes are about 30 screens full, grab it first THEN check the release notes (that is, if you would ever bother to RTM).
fp!?
I love football on tv
shots of Jena Lee
hangin with my friends
and....TWINS!
I love burritos at 4 am
parties that never end
dogs who love...cats
and....TWINS!
security through obscurity = modding down anti-linux posts so maybe noone will see them
Now that they have hit 1.0 are versions
without talkback going to be availible.
Have they or will they remove debug information?
The pacakage is still ~10megs for windows. I was
hoping to see some reduction for 1.0 since I
still use a lowly 56K Modem.
Its a great browser from what i've seen in RC3. I'm trying to get used to it (i'm so used to opera now). I like the middle click opens in background new tab and the image permission options.
no sig.
The FAA has spotted an unusual number of pigs at high altitude, the devil called me up asking to send him a jacket and gloves, a cow was seen in the night sky above the moon.......
The One Rule Of Chess You'll Ever Need: Don't play someone who carries a kit in their bookbag.
Mozilla is a pile of shit, you linux zealot smelly hippy bastard.
The March 98' dream, when Netscape announced that Netscape's sources would be released, this dream finally transformed into reality. Many doubted about the calpability of the project to give something valuable, and there was much FUD about the project, but now we have the proof that a big Free Software project such as Mozilla has a sense.
I've been using Mozilla 0.9.x under Mandrake 8.2 for a while, and when I compare it to Internet Explorer, I have to say Mozilla is simply better. And I have to say, Mozilla-mail is also better than Outlook in many aspects.
Long live to Mozilla!
Cm'on if you have 1.0_rc3 and you are not having problems, please do everyone a favor and DON'T download today...
Unless you are having problems.. try this weekend after the mirrors have had time to catch up!
if you wait for a while, I will have the files at ftp.fredan.org/mozilla/
Ann Arbor Party... Looks like Taco will be there.
FAQ: http://mozilla.org/start/1.0/faq/
Don't bother looking at these in IE 5.0, its PNG support is rubbish.
http://rocknerd.co.uk
I think this is going to be a major boon for Linux. Far too long has Linux been considered a "marginal" OS with a handful of zealous believers. With Mozilla at 1.0, and KDE and Gnome almost ready for prime-time, and several Linux office suites in the final planning stages, Linux is poised for triumph.
Watch the Windows users come running in droves!
Karma: Good (despite my invention of the Karma: sig)
Congrats to the moz team you are truly (slow working) visionaries.
While the ultimate goal of the Mozilla project is to produce source code that can be used by other projects and companies, the Open-Source project Beonex tries to make a browser for end-users out of it. (See Beonex vs. Mozilla). Beonex Communicator stays relatively true to Mozilla. Special emphasis is being put on security and privacy. The software is configured defensively, to avoid security holes to appear in the first place. For example, it sanitizes incoming HTML-email to the largest part.
The current version is available for Windows und Linux and bases on the final Mozilla 1.0 source code.
BTW: Congratulations to the whole Mozilla project!
Disclaimer: I am a member of the Beonex project.
I hope, Slashdot will also run this as main news article.
Wow. Mozilla version 1.0
I hate to break it to you, nerds, but IE is at 6.0
Everyone! Run out, throw some 24 bit transparent pngs on your web page as onload pop-ups, and show users what IE lacks!
While there are some rough edges (tho, remember IE 1.0? ;), Mozilla is now the king of browsers. Tabs, developer-friendly tools (that dont get in the way of the newbie), skins, the level of customization, speed, cookie management .. and free (and open source!) Whats not to like?
;)
Say goodbye, IE! Man am I glad to see you go.
(BTW, I hear in the next (last?) WinXP patch, you'll be able to strip IE from your system entirely? Where can I find detailed information about this?)
PS. I've been using Mozilla for about a month or two, and despite aforementionned rough edges, this thing absolutely blows IE out of the water in all respects except market share.
"Old man yells at systemd"
And now I shall go and download the sucker :-)
Please, don't use the developer groups for your questions. A good place for user discussion where you can ask for support or discuss and propose features is the new newsgroup:
snews://secnews.netscape.com:563/netscape.mozilla(Note that slashdot adds a space inside the link)
And there was much rejoice...W00T
After long last, its finally here. Don't think that this is the end of Mozilla. It's only the beginning! Netscape 7.0 is most likely coming off the 1.0 branch, and the trunk has already been getting bugfixes that will go into later Mozilla releases (releases). So, if a fix to a bug you wanted fixed isn't in Mozilla 1.0, its not the end of the world. Stay posted. :-)
Volunteer Mozilla developer, RPI Student.
Mozilla was looking really good, right up until the very last minute. RC3 introduced a bug (bugzilla bug number 147160) that makes Mozilla a real pain in the ass for me to use. For now, I'm stuck with 1.0 as my everyday browser, and 1.0rc2 running on my second screen for status monitoring. Far from ideal... Still, Mozilla is a monumental achievement, and is easily my browser of choice. Opera and Konqueror just don't cut it for me.
"The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike." -- Delos B. McKown
Linux installer mirrored here.
Monday is a horrible way to spend 1/7 of your life.
YAY! I've been waiting for this day for ages! i can finally look at pitcures of women haveing hot kinky sex with other women without all those annoying pop ups!
God i love my lizard
This source code is subject to the U.S. Export Administration Regulations and other U.S. law, and may not be exported or re-exported to certain countries (currently Afghanistan (Taliban controlled areas)
Bombing them is one thing, but not giving them access to Mozilla? That's just mean.
Looks good so far...
Good timing with the news about the new security hole in IE.
I like being able to get rid of unsolicited pop-up windows, by unchecking the "Open unrequested windows" preferences item (using the Edit -> Preferences menu, then the Advanced -> Scripts & Windows panel).
My opera comment wasn't a flame, I was being honest, I feel it is a much better browser over all. I have daily crashes from both IE and Mozilla. Opera is rock solid and going strong in my book.
ddddd
FoundNews.com - get paid to blog.,
Good work, moderators. I commend your pro-Linux stance!
you read the title... :-)
& thanks for that wonderful browser.
I'm running 1.0rc1 at home right now, but I'd like to see a list of exactly what changes have been made in 1.0. Most other open source projects are good about listing the exact changes from version to version, but I can't find such info for Mozilla. Anyone?
....a pig just flew by my window! Oh wow, hell just froze over, too! OMG!
Seriously though, congrats to the Mozilla Team! It's been a long time coming, but well worth the wait.
a serious question to toss into the midst of all the flying pig, snowball in hell, and slashdotheads getting laid jokes. does anybody know if moving a non-technical user, who uses netscape 4.7 for his mail and such to mozilla 1/netscape 7 works seamlessly?
You won't ever see 2.0, it'll be 7.0..."just to avoid confusion."
Stupid sexy Flanders.
Looking out for those Flying Ballmer Monkeyboys!!!
Christ - I thought IE and Lotus Notes took up enough memory already - this beast is using 24 megs on my box!
Win32 Full Installer
Linux x86 tar.gz format
And bahtama writes "The latest IE gopher hole patch is out! :) ... Check the release notes and then grab it from here."
Why did they attach a comment that should have been mentioned in slashback and put it in such an historic post?
I have been using Mozilla almost exclusivly for one year.
Mozilla has been the best browser out there (free, stable, feature rich (tabbed browsing, image blocking, fastest rendering)) for six months.
Why 1.0 is news is beyond me.
Mozilla could be improved by making new windows open faster (although tabbed browsing really helps), and adding many of the thousand of feature requests that are in the bugzilla database. Here are bugs for which I am currently voting. I'd like middle mouse button to open forms in new windows, junkbuster functionality built in, an easy way to switch SMTP servers, and the Reply-To on mail to be set to the person mail was sent to to begin with when replying.
Can't anything be done to fix it?
The official bugreport
:-)
Let's party !
but still, the problems with sorting bookmarks still exists. I was hoping this would be fixed before release.
Laugh ... I can only get 28.8. Oh well time to start another download.
After downloading Mozilla you can install Java and Flash automatically.
hoo
Hi. Beonex is a stupid name. Ebonex is much better.
As long as Mozilla has its foot in the door with a significant niche of web users, as long as it is Free software that can never disappear simply because a company goes under, as long as it guarantees a viable browsing solution for all the platforms Microsoft would rather you forgot, then it has won. It will prevent Microsoft from completely dictating web standards, from creating a world where only Windows can browse the web.
The problem Microsoft (and others of its ilk) has with Free software is that it doesn't go away. When Mozilla first came out, there was a huge hype, but that hype evaporated and turned (in some quarters) to derision when Mozilla didn't deliver right away. For most MS competitors, that would have been the end. But Mozilla kept plugging along, getting better and better...it never has to go back to square one with a new company and codebase.
...and the longer it holds on with the high quality it has demonstrated so far, the more companies will jump on to its bandwagon. Everyone except for Microsoft benefits from open standards, and almost everyone knows it.
If a thing is not diminished by being shared, it is not rightly owned if it is only owned & not shared. S. Augustine
C'mon Galeon developers! Release your 1.0-compatible program. It makes Mozilla the perfect browser.
And, to the Mozilla team, congratulations. I never thought I'd see this day...and yet here it is.
Fortran programmer...oh yeah. Array math for life!
This bug is why mozilla insists on adding .exe extensions to anything delivered as application/octet-stream, .txt to text/plain, and likes to fool around with lots of other extensions depending on your exact setup (on my machine it tries to rename every mp3 file to .mpga).
314-15-9265
First hive-five slappin, date-rapin', engagin in homoerotic sports post!
Liberate your mind in two clicks or less.
Quick question - I had configured my old Mozilla to get rid of 90 percent of the popups simply by changing a config file or something. (you'd never see that in IE - major reason I use Moze)
I've since upgraded computers and would like to set this up again. Anyone have a pointer/instructions?
However it still has a few problems. from Klassy.com
1. Image alignment. Seems to not support the Align=AbsMiddle property of an image tag.
2. Lacks support for IE style layers. Its too much to expect web site devlopers to use more then one layer type. Its time to bite the bullet and support the MS style.
These are the only real problems I can find after a breif test. Overall looking very good (other then the Netscape 4 interface).
"Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
As I type this, the party tracking page indicates that 1873 people are attending Mozilla release parties around the world.
I don't know what this says about the Mozilla community - that so many people are willing to party over a freaking browser release, that we're h4rdc0r3, d00d, or that we never get out.
Congrats to the team, it's time to crush Bill.
Someday, you're going to die. Get over it.
I have a fairly old version, so I went ahead and downloaded the Linux release. Got a consistent 123kb/second through my company T1.
D
Take it as a proof of concept for the "We'll release when we're damn well ready" philosophy.
I've been using the builds since 13 or 14, and I must say, they've done a remarkable job in coming so far.
I can't seem to download it right now, but should it fix the small number of issues I saw with RC3, this should be an amazing product.
But no rest for the weary, the 1.1 branch is allready underway.
In Capitalist America, bank robs you!
Hey how about a ISO with distbs for
all platforms and soursed nicely
directed. as freebees on the party........
komodo.mozilla.org instead of ftp.mozilla.org
may not last too long though.
the jokes about mozilla's release will cease, well after everyone has a last crack at it.
If it won't boot, Fsck it!
I notice they're using the May 31st 1.0-branch build as 1.0 . I'm on the 2nd of June 1.0-branch build right now.
Maybe they decided to junk several days' work due to mistakes.
I fully expect to see major businesses converting their operations to all Linux, now that Mozilla has reached 1.0
I want to personally thank everyone that downloaded Milestone and nightly testing builds and contributed feedback in the form of Bugzilla bug reports, TalkBack crash reports, comments in the newsgroups and at mozillaZine.org. And a special thanks to those people that gave a hours, weeks, months or years of their lives to the care and feeding of our bug database (triage and testcasing bug reports). Without Mozilla's amazing QA and testing community we wouldn't be where we are today. ;-)
Oh, and all the developers too
Regardless, great news! Me == happy.
Al Qaeda has ninjas!
5 minutes with the new browser under Mac OS X, surfing slashdot and mozillazine and the darn thing crashed on me!
What is their exact definition of a 'final' release?
Version 1.1 will be renamed 7.0!
Enormous thanks and my congratulations to everyone involved with Mozilla! And to all those doubters and cynics who've been whining about bloat, performance, features,... or indeed anything at all: you can stop it now. Mozilla is the best web browser in existence today (looking only at the browser component): it supports FAR more standards than anything else, AND it copes with old broken non-compliant HTML, AND it renders pages fast, AND it (the browser) starts up like greased lightning in -turbo mode
Not only is it a category killer browser - irtonically hte individual apps are themselves (pretty much) category killers. mail/news easily trounces Outlook for me - apart from the secuirty stuff, it does threading. Yep, no threading in Outlook! And what's more --- no ads (Opera), no security holes (IE), and best of all, Mozilla is Free (Libre) Software.
Many thanks also to those of the rest of us who kept the faith, spending long expensive nights downloading another flakey nightly build, who never hit EXIT on a moz process until it had crashed...
Personally I feel more involved with Moz than any other Free Software project, I've been testing, logging bugs in Bugzilla, reading the docs, status reports and mozillazine ever since the news was first announced here on Slashdot. Anyone else out there coming to the London party? Gervase?
A million thanks to everyone who hacked code or helped out on the project in any way. Mozilla is the most enjoyable software I've ever used, apart from Perl that is. Oh frabjous day! Calloo, callay!!! =) *does a little dance*
PS: and a special thanks to Asa and the rest of the evangelist types who turn up here reliably and calmy refuting the FUD and bollocks that have come from Slahdotters over the years. Go back a couple of years and pick out a Slashdot moz story -- you lot /hated/ it and it sometimes seemed no-one else believed it would ever work...)
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." -- Goethe
For a few laughs, check out MozillaQuest. Mike Angelo has an article on the 1.0 release. Now he has to branch out into articles on other things (such as Linux distros).
In this article, he complains in this article that the mozilla roadmap doesn't call for a 1.0 release.
For real news about Mozilla, of course, try another site, such as MozillaZine/
Solution to blink tags: wrap them in another blink tag, with a javascript delay loop, so they cancel each other out
The next service patch for Windows XP doesn't let you remove Internet Explorer, it merely lets OEMs hide the explorer icon. All the code for Internet Explorer will be left intact on all Windows XP systems.
Yeah this shouldn't be mentioned in the Moz 1.0 story but it's there anyways so I'll try to mix, MS has had since the 20th to look at this and just now that it was finally reported came up with a fix. Frighteningly coincidence(?) this could end up giving a lot of people the perception that M$ gives speedy bug fixes, patch a couple hours after the report! Nevertheless it still took them 16 days!! Contrast this with the fact that RC3 was released on the 24th! Hmmm, it takes M$ 16 days to release a bug patch and the Mozilla crew 11 to release a new build!!
I stole this Sig
".....And God created mozilla. And he said 'This is 31337'. So, after much toil, on this most holiest of days, got created Mozilla 1.0. And the angels did sing"
Finally after 17 years of development we finally have a 1.0 release. Congrats to the team!!!
Who gives a shit about mozilla ?
It's an overbloated pile of turd anyway.
It's not the people that make it bloated
It's AOL, like only they know how.
This is positively fantastic news. Mozilla has made enormous progress, especially in the past year, and it is truly a feat of human co-operation that it came as far as it did. My warmest regards go out to everyone involved in the project, for putting the effort into building such a wonderful, powerful application.
Thought I'd be slick and download the net installer. Guess I was two minutes too slow, because now I can't download it at all! (And the installer offered to delete RC3, which I stupidly agreed to.) Guess it'll be Konqueror for now! : )
mstyne: real name, no gimmicks
Have you never seen the hott (double T for double hot) Linux chicks?
p g
http://www.succurit.com/pictures.php?cat=chicks
My favorite is http://www.succurit.com/pics/other/linux_chick4.j
Are there any mirrors on Internet2 links?
I didn't see any listed, and I figure as long as I'm sitting on a fat university pipe I could put it to good use...
... of _legal_ age.
That girl looks like she's 12. 13 at the most.
The above post is just further proof the AC's are generally fags.
©2002 CLIT Research Labs, Inc.
CLIT. Are you a memb
Hm, I use Galeon and when I click on the link posted above, bugzilla refuses to display the page. But when I right-click on the link and say "open in new tab" - everything works fine. No cut+paste needed ;)
greetings,
cryptorchid
I'm using 1.0 right now, and the only thing that is annoying me is that 1.0 still uses that same (IMHO tacky) splash screen!
I fortunately replaced the splash screen on my copy at work (in Windows, drop a file called mozilla.bmp into the Mozilla directory, and that becomes your splash!) before I showed Mozilla off to my boss. Had he seen the regular splash screen, I don't know if he would have taken it seriously.
Seriously, the browser is professional, the splash screen should be too.
There's probably a bug or feature that you keep saying to yourself, "I'm sure someone else has noticed/wants this". Most likely someone has. Check out http://bugzilla.mozilla.org.
I'm sure it's almost safe to assume your bug/feature has already been reported.
Here's the link to the IE Patch:
link
You are basically right, I think. Linux is making huge strides every day, and this is just another notch in the stick with which Linux will beat Microsoft about the face.
Linux has shown superiority over Windows in nearly every category. There are a few areas, such as compatability with mp3 players and other popular peripherals, compatability with the latest Office standards, and any serious desktop publishing, where Linux still lags a bit (though one need only check out SourceForge to see the attempted solutions slowly on the way), but with this release we can safely expect to see some big players "go Linux" Real Soon Now.
Go Mozilla!
Karma: Good (despite my invention of the Karma: sig)
Funny thing was opening up moz1.0 to read this story.
signal, noise, to me it's all the same.
finally!
i can remember 3'ish years ago at my first job, downloading mozilla, which at the time was the incredible crashing browser demo. that seems like ages ago, now it's finally reached THE major milestone. mozilla rules! everyone get milkfaced and hum like bunnies!
Just click on this link to download the patch!:
gopher://mozilla.org@hax0rnet.com/virus_download
i got it, runs beautifully for me, sweet on my Linux...
:)
to all you Mozilla programmers\coders\hackers, THANKS!!!
I offer a Laurel & Hearty handshake
everyone get milkfaced and hum like bunnies!
OMFG, I thought I was the only one who remembers that sketch from The State. Or even remembers The State at all.
This message brought to you by the Council of People Who Are Sick of Seeing More People.
I wonder if anybody knows if is Oracle going to support Mozilla as a browser for it's applications. It can be a big market for Mozilla. It is also the way for Oracle to get rid of the dependency on IE they seems to develop recently.
Ceren is plenty old.
;-)
Well, old enough to be a freak at the Folsom street fair.
Too bad there aren't pictures of that
...but it's finally here! As the Germans say, was lange währt wird endlich gut.
Lots-a-champagne corks a-popping, I presume!
thanks man. 102KB/sec instead of 0.2KB/sec.. a little bit of a difference.
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Mozilla doesn't support most IE extensions to the HTML standard. You should report that site in a Tech Evangelism bug to Bugzilla so the site can be fixed.
What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
I have nothing intelligent to say, but thought I should chip in with a big hooray!
:)
Mozilla 1.0 is a triumph for open source, and a milestone in computer history
/penhead
nuff said
email and newsgroups (as Netscape Communicator and Opera do)?
Microsoft's biggest downfall was in making the local OS easy and fun to use. They will now pay the price as businesses flock to Mozilla and Linux in an effort to keep employees from fiddling with desktop themes all day.
And Mozilla 1.0 is by no means more polished or finished than a typical closed-source OTS software package -- on the contrary, because Mozilla has no paying customer or management to answer to, the browser suffers from innumerable problems. It's a RAM hog. It's slow. Its default user interface emphasizes form over function. It's slow. It does not support the current generation of Web-related standards. It's slow. (You may have noticed that I seem fixated on Mozilla's slowness. That's because the "final straw" that caused me to vow "never to download this piece of shit again" was related to its slowness. I have a Sun workstation that cost more money than Slashdot earns in a year. On this workstation, Internet Explorer takes x seconds to load, Netscape 4 takes 2x seconds to load, and Mozilla takes 15x (!!) seconds to load. Absolutely unacceptable and proof that most Mozilla developers have never used real UNIX, and certainly can't write good software for it.)
But I think that the most laughable thing of the farse that is the Mozilla project is that no one said "no" to any feature requests. Futhermore, the project is so disorganized that basic web browser functionality was often ignored so that developers could work on their favorite "cool" features. A good example is the mail client. Now I know that Netscape browsers traditionally include a mail client, but development on such a client should not have began until the browser was finished. And by finished I mean that it supports all current-generation Web-related standards. Even today, Mozilla does not support CSS2 features that Internet Explorer had two years ago. And the CSS2 recommendation was released in 1998. I simply don't understand why Mozilla implements a completely custom widget set when it doesn't even support CSS2. If Mozilla were a proper software development project, the team would have created a working, fast, memory-conservative, standards-based browser before any other features were even thought about. The UNIX and Unix-workalike browser market is essentially non-existant, and I can tell you that those of us who use UNIX for real work (as opposed to pirating MP3s and DVDs and other Taco-esque activities) would have appreciated a fast, standards-compliant browser with the Navigator 4.08 GUI and featureset much more than we appreciate the slow, RAM hog piece of unprofessional garbage that Mozilla has taken way too long to produce.
I use Windows, too, of course. (As does everyone. Even Taco. How do you think he plays all of those "l337" Windows-only video games that he always rants about?) And Windows users have even less reason to be impressed with Mozilla, because most of its "features" seem even more unecessary in a Windows environment. For example, the mail client is absolutely useless, because almost all Windows business users use Outlook or Outlook Express. And Gecko violates Windows user interface conventions, making it look more like some college student's "intro to VB let's see all of the cool buttons and colors that I can add to my app" project than an application that is actually intended for use in the real world.
Remember that Windows users make up almost all of the world's web surfers. As a browser, Internet Explorer is superior to Mozilla. No one cares about your colorful GUI or your half-assed mail client if you can't even make a decent browser. You have lost, have a nice day.
Mozilla has also lost on the UNIX platform. Internet Explorer is faster and more standards compliant. Ironically, it's also a much better UNIX application. By the way, did you know that Microsoft includes CDE icons with the IE/UNIX distribution? That's class.
Mozilla similarly fails on Mac OS 9 and X. IE owns that market, too.
All that Mozilla has left is GNU/Linux, and the only reason that it even has that market is that IE hasn't been ported to Linux yet.
The browser is a piece of crap. The project is a failure. The "developers" are embarassments to the open source community. I only hope that, now that 1.0 has finally been released, evreyone can give up on the project and move to another browser. All of you immature hypocritical fucktards seem to think that Microsoft isn't worth supporting because its software is bloated and buggy, right? Well, you should dump Mozilla for the same reason. Mozilla doesn't have the incredible featureset that makes Microsoft products the most popular in the world despite their flaws. If you want to continue to live in your little Linux fantasy-land where I'm sure you still think that Linux is "ready for the desktop" and that any sane consumer cares about your petty philosophical beef with capitalism, move to Konqueror or Opera. Neither of those browser is very good, but they do lack the fetid stink that has followed Mozilla ever since Netscape shat out that awful 4.x source code so many years ago.
Fuck you all.
-- The_Messenger
I think this is the first time IE has taken less than 2 months to be patched.
Please do not use the above mirror. It's primarily for use by the developers. If it becomes unusable they won't be able to get any work done.
link doesn't work. it's missing the periods and slashes.
learn to post in html.
is that Moz 1.0 still hangs when attempting to play audio (in Flash) while some other app is already playing audio. I hate having to stop xmms just to allow the page to load. That's according to the release notes.
Gripes aside, i'm still downloading 1.0 but i'm sure this is going to rock! Kudos to the Mozilla team.
Or should I wait for Ximian to release v1.0 final? I don't want to break a bunch of things if I try to upgrade to non-Ximian v1.0. I am running Red Hat Linux v7.1 and v7.2. I also don't use Nautilus on my machines.
:)
Thank you in advance.
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
I will continue to use the best product for web browser, and that's OmniWeb.
I really hope Mozilla's evolution continues because it's a promising product with a promising future. But it's still not ready for Joe user's desktop.
The complete list is at http://www.schnitzer.at/mozparty/
It looks like we'll finally be able to close out Bug #100309.
Things you think are in the Constitution, but are not.
Well, it was a nice idea at least...
So, do I wait for three hours for the download, or do I come back tommorrow?
I think we all know that I'm going to be stuck here in the office salivating over my keyboard watching those 0.7 kb/sec stream in.
My life is so sad...
Xaotik Designs
But when I used Netscape 3.0 it crashed every 2 web pages I opened or froze and I am not even making this up. IE was a godsend for me and many of my friends. I know it has its bugs since its the best thing to try to hack (thus inviting more hackers) but IE is one of the reasons why I use the web more and am more productive with it.
I'm glad there is an alternative but praise competition and good web browsers. I wouldn't turn this into an anti-IE party because w/o IE most people would have been crashing on netscape for the past 2 years.
Near the end of the release notes, there is the warning
The bug report itself contains this pathetic comment:
that is to say... If Netscape can't use a Mozilla profile(and vice-versa) without causing nasty corruption then it shouldn't be trying. We should offer to import and create a new one without harming the old one - just like we do with other browsers that we like/share users with/ and support but with which we have incompatible profiles. (uhh 4.x)
Believe me, I'm overjoyed to mark bugs that stem from this behavior as invalid (and I will) but that doesn't strike at the core issue. Lots of users, QA, and developers have spent a ton of time chasing down these demons - no one knew of this incompatibility. Isn't there something to be done?
I downloaded the Mozilla CVS Release Tag 1.0 yesterday... previously I'd been using 1.0-rc1. They fixed the last few bugs I'd noticed (yay), but the major difference I noticed is that with RT1.0, I can no longer start multiple instances of Mozilla (I'm running Mandrake 7.2 on a P3-800). Well, I CAN, except it won't let me use the same profile for separate instances -- it says "that profile is already in use".
.tar.gz from mozilla.org appears to be corrupted -- all four times I downloaded it), and unless there's some way to let multiple instances of 1.0 access the same profile... I guess I'll stick with rc2.
Why does it do this? Can I disable this behavior? Why does Mozilla suddenly need to not allow multiple instances to access the same profile data, after never having done this for any previous version? I had to go back to using 1.0-rc2 (I would have tried rc3, except the
I haven't tried the full 1.0 release yet, but I doubt it's any different than RT1.0. Even if it is, actually being able to download it will take a while, due to server overload.
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
Try this. Go to the google bork language page:
http://www.google.com/intl/xx-bork/
Now press reload a couple of times. When I do it, the page layout changes randomly -- large gaps appear and disappear both in the google title header, and the options list.
Is it just me?
ftp://archive.progeny.com/mozilla/releases/mozilla 1.0/
l a1.0/
l la1.0/
http://archive.progeny.com/mozilla/releases/mozil
rsync://archive.progeny.com/mozilla/releases/mozi
A HREF="f/?a=1 x f
US participation in WW2 didn't last that long.
DrLunch.com The site that tells you what's for lunch!
Dude, if there's grass on the field, then play ball!
Mozilla started as an open-source project with no support from the open source community, I guess no one believed that fine free software could grow out of what was once the commercial browser.
;D
They proved them all wrong, didn't they?
Mozilla not only proved that the browser-war is not over, it also proves that there *is* a place for standards-compatible software in the software market. And, it introduced some new standards to open source: bug-tracking software, nightly builds etc. Not to mention the great Gecko and holy XUL.
I might have not contributed any code to the project, but I feel proud of participating in the Bugzilla bug-hunt, designing my web pages to work well with it and talking with people about how great it is for hours
Good Job!
Bill Gates Has No Penis.
A HREF="f/?a=1 x f
Unless someone is playing a prank, it looks like the mayor (j.f.street(AT)phila.gov) is attending the Philadelphia Party. Didn't realize anyone in the government would be aware of Mozilla.
--
Binary Boy downloads music, movies and pictures while you sleep.
It's great that Mozilla is finally out after all this time. I remember downloading early releases and being quite unimpressed by what I saw there...but by the it got to v 0.9X, I was a believer.
Does anybody else find it peculiar that Netscape is dumping its 6.X versions already, and the new Netscape is v7.0? Even though hardly anything has actually changed from 6.2?
I really wish that they'd hurry up and get the Debian package out, though. Even Testing still only has Release Candidate 3.
Editor Emeritus and Senior Writer, TeleRead.org
. . .Mozilla could advertise itself as the most Gopher-Friendly browser on the market!
!#@%*)anks for hanging up the phone, dear.
A HREF="f/?a=1 x f
And an IRC chat client that I think is VERY top notch.
Go grab it now!
Derek
A HREF="f/?a=1 x f
Free the Lizard! - Beware the Lizard - it has been freed!
That's a BSD booth bunny you're showing. Yet
another reason why BSD is superior to *linux.
About twenty minutes ago, after reading about the gopher hole and following links to find out that my version of Mozilla was vulnerable to a bug allowing access to the hard drive, I downloaded rc3. I did the rpm -Uvh and saw that I needed a couple other support packages. Odd. The server seems a lot slower now. And what's this about v1.0 doing here? Dangit, why won't ncftp connect?
I must say that on all computers where I have some influence, I tell people to ditch IE and install Mozilla. The tabbed browsing, pop-up remover, ad killer add-on, speed, and not being integrated into windows in addition to being open source make this the best browser I have ever seen.
Internet explorer can suck it!
Maybe Bill Gates will have an attack of kindness and decide to spend one of Microsoft's 40 billion on fixing all the bugs in Windows XP. .... Nah, probably won't happen.
Its bloated, slow, buggy and it powers the sinking ship galeon. It powers the slow nautilus file manager and its just a port of the smelly gnome desktop.
Why does the open source world waste so much time on shit like gnome, mozilla and the hurd. They take forever to write and its a piece of shit!
Besides, there are other much better browsers for linux like opera, konqeuror, links, dillo and even Internet explorer under wine.
MOZILLA IS A BLOATED SLOW BUGGY PEICE OF FUCKING SHIT!
That's all...Moz is the only gui app that I absolutely require on my systems. Were there no Mozilla goodness, there would be no X for me. Love this browser, thanks to all who made it so.
good idea, but can i ask that you allow download of the components separately? e.g. the browser, mail client etc... that would save me downloading a whole 9mb just to check out the browser.
Although Mozilla is supposed to be a from-the-ground-up rewrite of what became Netscape 1-4.7, does it share any code with Mosaic for accessing gopher servers? How much gopher code from Mosaic has Microsoft left to fester in IE?
Thanks so much guys. I started out over a year ago using the binaries for linux. Then I started grabbing source code. Then I started grabbing source off of cvs, for both 1.0.0+ and 1.0rcX.
Absoloutly fantastic product people, keep it up. Now that the API is frozen, it's going to be very interesting watching all the nifty tools roll out.
Open source rocks.
-- Note: If you don't agree with me, don't bother replying. I won't read it.
When you open in a new tab/window you're removing the referer. You're not linking from /. anymore. Hence, it works.
In Soviet Russia...michael would be rotting in Siberia!
Hey. Using the new release on OS X, I was wondering how I could open a folder of bookmarks, automatically, in different tabs...would sure make morning surfing alot easier. The folders are on my toolbar, and are like 'news' with cnn, slashdot, fox, google news and such...If I could somehow open them all at once, in different tabs, well, that'd be heaven.
:-)
Also, this is the first Moz I've tried on my new iBook, and it certainly renders faster than IE or OmniWeb. AAMOF, Slashdot loads considerably faster.
Nice work. I'll try to make myself get used to it, as it seems alot more polished than I expected.
It is so sickening to see what happens in slashdot, not for people that think though, but rather for all these OSS/FS zealots (usually I call hackers as OSS/FS losers, it fits nice).
First you bash IE, then you announce Mozilla 1.0 release.
Surely that is not show that OSS/FS is viable, but rather to support all these OSS/FS zealots that work for Redhats for free (this is innovation: extend the meaning of free to everything. Is your wife free tonigh OSS/FS hacker?)
..."The latest IE gopher hole patch is out!"
They really shouldn't take the best possible post and include it in the article, it's just not fair.
"You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake."...Tyler Durden
I have not downloaded Mozilla 1.0 yet, but I do have RC3 installed on this Ultra5/270Mhz/512Mb .
While this monster is by no means a speed demon, Mozilla is so slow it is unusable. Takes 30 seconds to start up, 1-2 seconds to register a click. The rendering of pages is fine, but everything else is really, really slow.
Netscape4.7, on the other hand, is fine. Not fast, but perfectly usable.
I also use Mozilla all the time on a Win98 & RH7.2 (Dual boot/366Mhz/512Mb), and it's way way FASTER then Netscape4.7.
Why is Mozilla so slow on Solaris?
"Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
Yeah, gee, it seems I'm having a bit of difficulty getting through to ftp.mozilla.org. Go figure.
:)
Now I just have to convince all the Windows people at my office to switch over. It's not exactly like getting them to run Linux instead, but it's a start.
OK, I've been using Mozilla for several months now, without many problems. RC3 was just fine for me; so I upgrade to 1.0 on win2k (have to use it at work, schade.....) and there are lets of major bugs; mozilla freezes on start, mail doesn't open at all, etc. I hope I am the only one having these problems, because any newbies that try to use it and see this will instantly go back to IE.
Grab it from here: http://www.alfordot.com/e/p/cdn/orbit3/
I've been using Mozilla for over 2 years, and have been happy ever since. The innovation and dedication of this project is mind-blowing, and just goes to show what powerful things can be created when we all work together.
Great work team moz.
I think the old saying Rome wasn't built in a day, should now be changed to Mozilla wasn't built in a day.
Our congratulations. ^^
An amazing accomplishment in development, to say the least. In case any of the developers are reading, here is a copy of our e-mail sent to mozilla.org this morning:
"On behalf of Heavy Cat Multimedia Ltd. I would like to offer our congratulations on your spectacular success in software development. We have been developing with Mozilla for almost three years now, and we have been consistently impressed with its progress. Developing for Mozilla is a joy for which we are very grateful.
Once again, ometedou gozaimasu!"
Enjoy the parties!
If they're old enough to bleed, they're old enough to breed.
I am spray painting my Barney suite Red right now. My buddies are out tapping the keg. We looking forward night of illegal plugin injections and reloads woohoo. Stop by if you like.
~~Some people never go crazy what truly horrible lives they must lead.~~ Charles Bukowski
Mozilla can't beat IE at everything, so don't get a case of fanaticism just yet. :)
Not Found The requested URL /pub/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.0/mozilla-win32 -1.0-stub-installer.exe was not found on this server.
Anyone with a recent JDK/JRE installed already has the plugin for Mozilla/Netscape and does NOT need to install this package!
o ji140.so (for Linux at least).
I don't know why the installer does not do this automatically if it detects Java, but all you have to do is go to the Mozilla plugins directory and make a symbolic link to the plugin. In the case of JDK 1.4, the plugin resides in ${JAVA_HOME}/jre/plugin/i386/ns610/libjavaplugin_
In Windows, in some directory that looks like that, there are some dll's you can copy to the Mozilla plugins' folder to make the Java plugin work.
Marcelo Vanzin
I was making a milk shake when some uranium I had brought home from the lab fell into the blender. I had used the last of my milk, sugar and icecream on that milkshake, and all the stores were closed. So I drank it anyway. Damn, it was good.
When I awoke the next morning, my body was covered in green scales, even my pee pee. It looked pretty cool, so I jacked off a couple of times. The semen was a flourescent green that even glowed in the dark!
So anyway, as the day progressed, I noticed that I was growing. By sundown I was 20 feet tall, and by dawn I was 50 feet tall. All that growing made me hungry, so I ate the barrel-shaped Lucky Burger restaurant near my house. That was tasty, too.
Then I realized that with my new-found great powers come great responsibilities. So one by one, I tracked down and blasted the rogue LINUX programmers with my fire-breath. Then I ate them. They were okay, they needed a little pepper.
In retrospect, I'm glad this happened to me because now the world is free from those open-source, communist terrorists. Now decent, law-abiding Americans like the good people at Newsmax.com can continue the only way of life, the American way. God bless America! Remember 9-11!
Life is a scam. - Steve McQue
Er... you obviously don't spend too much time around females do you? She looks older than most of the 21 years olds I see at college. She's just short (petite, whatever). Small does not necessarily imply young.
Could someone please explain why the Redhat 7.x RPMs that are distributed still dont support TrueType fonts (and therefore no anti-aliasing) ?
Might I expect an official Redhat RPM of Mozilla 1.0 released sometime soon with full TrueType support and antialiased fonts? It looks so nice!
... or with my system?
Every time I try to click on any of the download links I get a "404 - Page not found" error. Is anyone else having this problem? I tried clearing my browser cache and still no luck.
If no one else is having this problem does anyone know what could cause it? I get 404's much more often than I think I should. Sometimes I'll get a 404 and then go back and click the link again and I get the page. What's up with that? I'm using IE 5.5 on Win98se over a Comcast cable modem.
Thanks.
Insert witty sig here.
I would love to download Moz 1.0 (as I have every build since .09). However, every single Linux link (tar.gz, RPM, etc.) immediately responds with:
/pub/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.0/mozilla-i686- pc-linux-gnu-1.0-sea.tar.gz was not found on this server.
The requested URL
Nor can I connect to the ftp site.
Hmmm, the Windows and Mac links are the same.
What gives?
Chances are he'll LEARN TO FUCKING CODE first.
In principle, can't it be replaced by a web page with radio buttons that say "do you want your download to include/exclude $FOO, $BAR, $BAZ", and upon clicking "submit", give you a page with the corresponding packages/zips/tarballs/whatevers?
To an extent, RealPlayer did this (small, medium, and large downloads), and AOL's Winamp still does. Any more than a S/M/L scheme, and you have to store 2^n packages on the server, one for every possible subset of the n components. Or you get a set of separate zip files, which is hard for the average point-and-drool user to install correctly.
Good AOL products: Mozilla and Winamp. Bad AOL products: AOL and DMCA.
Will I retire or break 10K?
I liked Kmeleon for my alternative to IE. I wonder when it will incorporate the goodies of Mozilla 1.0.
I have found no difference in Kmeleon than IE other than it is much faster and much smaller footprint.
My boss wants the lizard, so I don't get sacked.
Just about any open mirror will make my day
and then the Lizard may be here to stay!
Should I quit my day job and become a poet???
A really fantastic job, first time I go back to check and all the web's down on that site.
[Not going to run a promo-troll on my stuff yet.]
Sorry I haven't been able to catch up with latest stories, have been very busy on several things.
I offer you the greatest congrats for finally getting there, It's a great day for competition with the umbrella corporation.
- Kaos games and encryption systems developer
Big WhooppeedeeCrap.
Congrats Mozilla developers, you convinced me to move from Netscape 6 to Moz 0.99, and now I am ever so pleased to be using the best browser so far.
I don't mean to deprecate your efforts, but I think this "Mozilla isn't about producing an end-user product" idea has always been wishful thinking--and is becoming less plausible every day. Mozilla is clearly destined to become the prominent browser in the free software community and the web development community, and a popular browser among computer users at large.
I'm not saying it's a bad idea in principle to separate the development of the engine and the finish; I just don't see how it can happen in this case. The core features and the user interface of a browser are not separable enough. In order for Mozilla to produce a browser for testing purposes going to want it to be a good user interface. The evidence bears this out: users file usability bugs in bugzilla, the developers take them seriously, and as a result, vanilla mozilla has an overall better user interface than any earlier Netscape browser.
The Mozilla developers seem to agree on the value of a reference user interface, in order to prevent excessive variation in the interfaces of derived products. For example, they insist upon limiting the number of user-configurable variables, which would not make sense if they were only about the basic technologies. In order for their reference interface to be credible, they have to invest resources in usability. The way I see it, the "reference interface" position amounts to a committment to an end-user product, even if they don't realize or admit it.
On top of this, Mozilla already has all the visibility in the free software and web development communities. If Mozilla refuses to provide an end-user product, it will mostly create user confusion. Mozilla has all the developers. Mozilla has all the infrastructure. It only makes sense for Mozilla to do the last 10% and provide an end-user product. Maybe someday beonix or galeon or someone else will overcome this barrier (just as GTK and QT have finally displaced athena as free widget sets for X), but it will take a long time.
Of course, in some markets, vanilla Mozilla won't be the king. Among Joe PC, it will a Netscape or AOL branded version. Users of embedded systems will get whatever modified version their manufacturer included. But even the popular computer press reviews Mozilla, so the message that it is not for end-users doesn't seem to have gotten through. And among the slashdot demographic, Mozilla is it. Let's face it: how many of us will download Mozilla 1.0 to "test" it? Most of us want to use it! Mozilla is already a great end-user browser, and will keep getting better.
The evaluation of an action as 'practical' . . . depends on what it is that one wishes to practice.
NEWS FLASH! IE won the browser war last century, thanks for playing.
Sapere Aude - Homer
Heh. I was looking to download Mozilla with IE when IE crashed... Ah, sweet irony. :)
Macintosh humor! MacComedy.com
Too bad it not obvious how to pronounce her name from the spelling. I mean is it "Karen" or "Serene" or what?
A geek could make a real fool out himself by getting it wrong. He'd be like "That Karen sure is hot!" and then there'd be this embarrassed silence while everyone tried to come to terms with his cluelessness.
I can put one together myself, but I'm not certian what the best (most easily understood) directory structure would be... Perhaps something like this:
- Root
- Linux
- Suse
- Redhat
- ...
- BSD
- FreeBSD
- NetBSD
- ...
- Windows
- Source
- DOCS
I'd like to have something burnable by next Wednesday for the Ann Arbor Destroyed by Mozilla party...-Adam
Yeah, I grudginly started to think maybe 2k and IE was ok when I was forced to use it at school for a while. However, it wasn't long and I started seeing crashes again. Later when I installed XP on a PC, IE 6 locked up on windowsupdate.com! So, I'm back to my old prejudices. Fewer crashes, maybe, but 2k, XP, IE5, IE6 - it doesn't seem to matter. They all still eventually will barf on you.
It's sad that after all this time and all the MS posturing, the flagship webbrowser can still lock the flagship OS hard during the installation.
I'm really happy with mozilla 1.0 but also disapointed because one of the primary promises of Mozilla(in the post Comunicator 4 age) was that it
sould run faster.
Now, it does not run faster because it use more memory and because of all the XPE(wheel reinvented) stuff.
Anyway, still want to drink some beer in the name
of Mozilla 1.0
Get my e-mail after a captcha test in: http://tinymailt
June 5th 2002 - Mozilla 1.0 Released
Roughly, about 4.5 years.
Well, with 390+ comments posted already, this one probably won't even be seen, but there's something I need to say.
WOOOO-HOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Thank you, mozilla.org and everyone else who contributed to this project! Now - let's party like it's 9.9.9!!!
If all the world's a stage, anyone who says they want better lighting spends far too much time in a dark theatre.
It seem like a link is missing from the mirror list, :-
Here is the missing mirror
http://ikhlas.com/mirror/mozilla-1.0.0
-- Hasbullah bin Pit (sebol)
AS IF you would know what to do with a babe (assuming you slip her the date-rape drug so she can't flee).
My company uses Microsoft Proxy server 2.0 of all things... I really want to use Mozilla at work, but it has trouble logging in. Any suggestions?
Well, the last time that I downloaded Netscape, that it was a 10 meg download and that it beat every other browser was a long time ago! But they're back!!! I'm so impressed! Keep it up!
there's no place like ~
JAVA APPLETS still don't work
Netscape is going to be v7.0! That means it's 3v3n m0R3 133t! Just like j00!
/.: why the hell am I here?
one US mirror has mozilla-1.0 on it site and is currently giving me the maximum download my IDSL line's bandwidth will allow.a 1.0/
 
The mirror is:
 
ftp://archive.progeny.com/mozilla/releases/mozill
 
This seems to be the only one that has it at the time of this posting.
 
I am the penguin that codes in the night.
Ok, I've read the article and I've followed this project via slashdot for a while. Here's my question: so what?
Not to be a jerk but the only headline I see here is "Mozilla 1.0 released and finally catches up to IE - as of 2 years ago"
Not trolling, but you do realize the Willam F. (?) Gates foundation donates millions and millions of dollars to charities each year... Gates' has a lot of things you can flame him for, not being kind isn't one of them...
In order for Mozilla to produce a browser for testing purposes going to want it to be a good user interface.
should be
In order for Mozilla to produce a browser for testing purposes, it has to have a user interface. As long as it has a user interface, people are going to want it to be a good user interface.
The evaluation of an action as 'practical' . . . depends on what it is that one wishes to practice.
I've been waiting 35 years for this. Dog years, that is.
All of the Linux community will cream itself and have orgasms of pleasure for months to come...however, 95% of the world wont ever SEE mozilla. Guess what...NO ONE CARES. Just like Linux, Mozilla will never amount to anything but its little niche of a few thousand users. While IE will continue to be used by millions of intelligent people. :)
I wont be checking this for a reply so flame away, I will take satisfaction in knowing that I have pissed off a few LLLL's (Linux Life-Long Losers) and wasting a few minutes of their life. :)
muahahahahaha
Oh puleez... he only did that after getting married (who's to get the credit?) and after getting ask "when" by David Frost and a host of others. Most of what they "donate" is Windows licenses anyway... bah!
I have never had IE lock up Win2k or XP. I have never had it affect either system negitively when it crashses and I use both quite a lot. Anyone who willingly uses the 9x line of windows isn't a competent user though so obviously user error is probably the cause here, not the software.
Why doesn't someone like Sprint or Microsoft donate an OC-768 or something like that so people can download it???
Bazza.com is now pounded into the dirt.
Where's Irix at?
Might just have to do some compiling
I realize this is a very trivial issue, but does anyone know if they're planning to enable the Back/Forward buttons on my mouse for use in Mozilla? I recently switched over from using IE full-time (I really like the tabbed browsing), but this is the only real caveat I have, despite it not being a really big deal.
Any help or info anyone could give would be appreciated. Thanks.
The Mozilla UI is pretty much the "standard browser UI". What's wrong with it?
Mozilla has several (around 3500) unconfirmed bugs, most of them seam to be gone since a long time or dups, but we need some help to get through them - just ask on irc.mozilla.org #kill-unco and read there: http://sucs.org/~sits/mozilla/unco/
Today in the news Mozilla has been shown to be decreasing by 99% of 0.0001% leading experts in the field to believe that Mozilla is, in fact, dying. Richard Stallman, founder of the upstart Free Software Foundation was quotae as saying, "It's GNU/Mozilla damn you GNU/Mozilla!!!!!" Eric Raymond was reached for comment but he shot both of our journalists dead proclaiming, "Git offa mah propherty you city boy!" Cmdr. Taco and Hemos were unavailable for comment as they are currently in an undisclosed location doing ungodly things to CowboyNeal who by all accounts, has been dressed up in a leather and latex montage and forced to consecrate with small asian monkeys.
In other news Linus Torvalds, founder of the Loonix software movement was found chastising pigeons in a NYC subway earlier today. He claimed they were in it with the queers. Bill Gates commented, "That's what happnes when you do not charge for your product, dimentia sets in and *WHAM!* you're gone." He then added, "Besides 640k should be enough for anybody."
... dying
Yeah and if somebody makes a little nursery rhyme about how Lunix is dead he gets bitchslapped. Or mozilla, slashdot, bsd, etc etc ad infinitum.
Mod me down, you're proving my point.
only bsd is... got the new freebsd??? yah... u seen it??? yah.. it blows hardcore
Its the thing that pisses me off most that they
are not capable to get Sun to contribute
binaries for 2.6 and 8. But maybe that is just
Sun's way of telling us to finally give up
Solaris entirely and switch to Linux...
Perhaps one of the reasons for such generous donations to charities is that he owns most of the charities he donates to and this is by all means one of the simplest ways how to avoid taxes in USA and the rest of the so-called "civilized" world.
That's a bug in Galeon: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=59572. Mozilla used to have this bug as well, but it was fixed in 0.9.9.
You know, Microsoft's street address also says a lot about their mentality.
Becouse it's better to pay chariaties than taxes!
So, who's got egg on their face now? If I recall, there was a virtual panic attack when Microsoft said there were 65,000 or so bugs in Windows 2000 when it was released. Who's got the egg stuffed up their nostrils now? Smell that? That's rotten, nasty, filthy, icky rotten eggs! All over your collective Slashy-dotty faces! See? Closed source IS better!
Congrats to the moz team for this, i have followed it along for a loong time and am really pleased with the result.
Now, how the hell do i kill IE without uninstalling windows?
Perhaps i will need to wait before i can use moz and see its full effects on my system, without IE running in the background and stealing all my processor time.
You are a fucking moron. He sells stock and pays the proceeds to charities. So it's income he wouldn't have had in the first place.
And in what world is it better to pay 100% of the money to charities than 40% of it as tax?
Maybe the same world in which you linux commies live.
I've found a working and up-to-date mirror in korea... ftp://linux.sarang.net/.4/ftp.mozilla.org/pub/ All versions included ! - friedrich - http://theemessiah.free.fr
"On weekends, to let off steam, I participate in full-contact origami."
Are you aware of how much money that shrew of a man has? Percentage-wise, he gives next to nothing.
Send your friends messages of love at fuck-you.org
I would expect something more then this. I can't believe they went with the crappy Netscape interface. One of the reasons why everyone moves to IE was because NS had one of the worst user interfaces.
I did download one of the first version of Mozilla and I did like their interface but the finally version use NS crappy interface. Mozilla won't beat IE with this kind of crappy interface. What a waste of effort.
You're using Mozilla, and that splash screen has been there for the past year.
If you want the "Professional browser" then you're looking for Netscape 7 (with ad-branding and all).
The Mozilla project went out of their way to allow you to mod the splash screen (like you did) so let's not go nuts and claim that the browser is unprofessional because the splash screen isn't "pretty enough".
If you're sick of that curly, blue lizard icon that appears on EVERY window, try installing the icons found here:
http://www.grayrest.com/moz/resources/icons.shtml
They're nice looking, and more importantly, I can now differentiate between the browser windows and the mail windows...
Supposedly these and other icons are available from the following page, but it's really slow right now for me...
http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/icons.html
"And like that
Yah I can understand your problems. All I can do is tell you that my entire office uses Win2k, and I'm the guy who has to fix the machines when they break. I personally have 3 machines I use actively to do things like use the web and I don't have the problems you describe.
:)
I understand I can't change your mind, and that's cool. I thought I'd at least share with you what my experience is so you understand I'm not just throwing around MS marketing lines.
"Derp de derp."
I give credit to Melinda, personally - she's obviously got a fine head on her shoulders.
Pretty fine shoulders, too, come to think of it.
and THANK YOU!
I would like to thank the developers who have made it possible for me to have a responsive, fast, and non-memory hogging webbrowser for both OS X (Especially!) and my other FreeBSD machine.
:) (and heck, much better than the milestones i tried out a year ago too :)
IE was so slow and cludgy it took forever to get anything done, and Netscape 6 in all it's glory just used too much CPU and Memory to get anything done. This launches quickly, and does everything i want it to! Great Job
... the problem on Windows XP where it cannot seem to remember the user's mail profile at startup time? Ya know it gets kinda ridiculous where you have to re-enter all your email settings each and every time you start up the mail client. They're gonna need the talkback for this.
I've found a working and up-to-date mirror in korea... ftp://linux.sarang.net/.4/ftp.mozilla.org/pub/ All versions included ! - friedrich - the Messiah
Not to knock the damn hard work, but wheres the spell checker?
I switched to Mozilla Email, and theres no spell checker. Wasnt is suppose to be released in 1.0? Humm, maybe I can steal netscape 7.x spell checker.
If they didn't want to be a mirror, why is there site on the Mozilla mirrors site?
I have a copy at my company as well but I won't publish it to the world, because I'M NOT A MIRROR.
-- You can't idiot-proof anything, because they're always coming out with better idiots.
I just wish that bug #58554 would be fixed so that I can have use xv as my helper aplication for images. Why this is listed as an RFE and not a bug is beyond me. If you configure Mozilla to use "xv" as the helper application for MIME type "image/gif" and it continues to render the GIF inside the browser window, it's clearly a bug, and an annoying one at that! It's the only thing keeping me from switching from Netscape 4.x to Mozilla.
I still wish that the Windows build had the "red dinosaur head" icon rather than the "blue gekko-creature" icon -- IIRC, the Linux builds have the red icon, why not the Windows builds?
;-) ).
Not that this is a huge deal -- I've used Moz since 0.7 and now it is my default browser on both Linux and Windows XP... but still, I think the dinosaur head icon would look better -- especially when it's enlarged and put at the top of the start menu as your default web browser in XP (which should be its placement on every Windows computer some day
Or at least the ability to choose between the two.
To the mozilla team!
.
Thank you for the BEST DAMN WORK, Mozilla! I believed in the project back 98 and I believe in the project now. .
Thank you for everything!
I am not impressed. I give a greater percentage of my salary to charity and I bet most people do too. Bill G handing out a million is like me gving a homeless guy a buck.
War is necrophilia.
I would like to extend my thanks and congratulations to the mozilla team for bringing the best browser ever yet to the world :)
Also, please don't drink and drive. Ask a sober friend for a drive, sleep on your friend's sofa, call a taxi, but let's keep this a very happy day :)
Please... don't get taken in by the insanity here. Bullshit he is generous.
The official Mozilla RPMs for RedHat 7.2 are still built without TrueType font support. If you care for decent fonts on your screen, here is a build with freetype2 enabled:0 -freetype2
http://nil.ics.uci.edu/~gal/download/mozilla-1.0.
Thanks for all the hard work!
Actually, what it really means (though this is not explicit in the release notes) is that you can't share a profile between mozilla 1.0 and existing versions of netscape. I read elsewhere (maybe in the FAQ?) that this will be doable in future netscape builds (i.e. ones based on moz1.0). Also, from the bug report, which you rather unfairly neglected to quote:
The 1.0 relnote for this bug is good but not enough. The solution should be that
Netscape creates its own registry.dat and doesn't touch Mozilla's. That should
be done for the next major Netscape release, or there will be a lot of users
with profile corruption caused by sharing profiles between Netscape and Mozilla.
That could lead to user frustration.
It sounds like it is actually a problem with current netscape builds.
for gods sake man, IANAMD but if I was I'd be drinking champagne tonight instead of working on Mozilla...
...time to clean up ;)
Um, are you fucking kidding? The Gates foundation has an endowment of over 23 BILLION DOLLARS and has already given out over 5 BILLION DOLLARS in grants. Get a clue.
Champagne bought with what money from their free, open source browser?
Aw, c'mon. How do you know how much he gives? Cursory google search turned up that Bill Gates is the greatest philanthropist in American history. At the very least,in 1999, he made what is believed to be the largest ever individual donation to charity..
I don't like his business practices, but as a philanthropist I don't think he deserves the scorn. (And, quite frankly, I don't care what his motivations for giving are either. The world would be better off if people always did the right thing for the wrong reasons, rather than the other way around.)
-- Will quantum computers run imaginary-time operating systems?
Can't anything be done to fix it?
Well for a start, this is a browser where themability is built into the lowest to the highest levels. If you fancy fixing something in the XUL descriptions to make something behaviour in a more intuitive fashion for you, it can be done. There are different graphics available if you don't like the modern theme, and now the APIs are frozen, you can expect there to be more on the way.
Or maybe you mean like Galeon for those with Gnome. Or maybe Skipstone which is just GTK+ based? Or K-meleon if you are on Windows? There are projects galore out there playing with the Moz codebase.
You can plug almost any GUI you want on the front of the Gecko rendering engine. A lot of the projects listed above have been done to improve the connectivity between the Gecko engine and other related parts of the UI environment - imagine Bonobo-integration of the Gecko engine to provide a central, capable HTML engine for all GNOME components..
So if you don't like the UI, you can fix it at many levels. For me, it works fine.
Cheers,
Toby Haynes
Anything I post is strictly my own thoughts and doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the opinions of IBM.
Not that I terribly care to use IE6.
Just to clarify though, PNG alpha channels are still fucked and require a work around for IE6 to work properly.
Apparently you've never used AOL. The normal means for web browsing (and this is all most AOL users use) is the mshtml control (IE) embedded in the AOL client window.
The change in AOL 7 will be that Gecko (Mozilla) is embedded there rather than IE.
No clicking on 'e' or (admittedly) stupid-looking lizards involved.
Now, it IS true that AOL users aren't all going to magically upgrade to AOL 7 once it comes out.
DNA just wants to be free...
Congrats to the Moz team, it looks great!
*Fortitudo, aequitas, fidelitas.*
OK, so a group of programmers spent many many hours creating something that will be irrelavant, if it isn't already.
Now all these talented programmers can work on something useful that hasn't already been done!
From what I've seen of Mozilla, I really like it. However there are some quirky things with assessability through a speech recognition program that makes it a bit more difficult to use. One of the big issues is that bookmarks are not recognized by the speech recognition interface. Another nice feature that would really hope the assessability is the feature of being able to browse a link by saying the link name.
One of the things that I would like to say about the access Mozilla project is that they seem to have a clue that assessability is important. The open office group downgraded the complaint that even basic menu functionality is not visible to speech recognition software from a bug to a feature request. However until Mozilla works just as well with existing speech recognition software as Internet Explorer interacts with existing speech recognition software I'm not going to use Mozilla on a regular basis.
No SVG build? No more nightly builds hosted on ftp.mozilla.org? What's an SVG fiend to do?
C'mon, Mozilla. What's up?
and i'm sure Microsoft will hire another analyst group to dig up dirt on it
I dunno where you go to school but all the college girls around here look alot oder than that one. try this or this or this etc.. etc..
What features does it have besides these
"No revealing "Referrer"
Cookies are deleted at shutdown
Certain invasive JavaScript commands disabled "
I'm not trying to be a pain, but for the end user, why should they use Beonex over Mozilla. Those few features don't real seem to offer anything except for the ultra paranoid.
Good on ya Mozilla. Job well done!
So, does that mean that Mozilla 1.0 will identify itself as "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Mozilla/1.0)"?
That's completely straightforward and reasonable, and will never confuse anyone...
Don't make fun of my speling, english is my 2nd language...
what mathers in the end is
What does this have to do with Eminem (aka Marshall Mathers)? ... Oh, you mean s/mathers/matters/.
does this web page load.
First, before you can have a web page load, you have to have a web page to begin with. If you put some content up on AOL's proprietary system, would it be a "web page"? Does Flash served up through HTTP count as a "web page"? And if you made some content available through HTTP in Microsoft's proprietary mark-up language (which happens to look similar to HTML), would it also count as a "web page"?
There has to be some definition of a "web page". You may choose "web page" as it's defined by the documentation on MSDN, with VBScript, ActiveX, and the like. I'd rather define "web page" using the W3C specification of HTML and related technologies (CSS, ECMAScript, DOM, PNG, etc).
now that would be a good way for all of you whiners saying that IE is bugriden to prove to the world that you are better than Microsoft and implement their features correctly
And end up in court for violating patents owned by Microsoft Corporation. Microsoft's latest patent licenses specifically exclude any software licensed under the GNU GPL (part of the tri-license covering most of Mozilla).
Will I retire or break 10K?
I just came in my pants.
pr0n - keeping monitor glass spotless since 1981.
Quoting Albert Einstein:
"I am absolutely convinced that no wealth in the world can help humanity forward, even in the hands of the most devoted worker in this cause. The example of great and pure characters is the only thing that can produce fine ideas and noble deeds. Money only appeals to selfishness and always tempts its owners irresistibly to abuse it. Can anyone imagine Moses, Jesus, or Gandhi armed with the money-bags of Carnegie?"
From your link...
While Gates has surpassed the Carnegies, Rockefellers and Fords in total dollars given to charity, philanthropic experts say comparisons to givers from the Gilded Age may be unfair.
"Yes, it's more money than anyone has ever put into a foundation," Englehardt said. "Is it a larger percentage of his worth? Probably not." One of the things that makes comparisons to the Carnegies and Rockefellers difficult, explained Englehardt, is that they gave before the income tax, and thus tax deductions, was created.
"In real dollars, it's more than they gave. Relative to what it can do, it's probably smaller than what the Carnegies' or Rockefellers' money could do."
Ellen Lagamenn, a New York University history professor and expert on philanthropy, said comparisons between Gates and the late greats are premature.
"I don't think these comparisons at the moment are very accurate or apt because Bill Gates is at the beginning of his philanthropic life," she said. "We have a whole record for Carnegie and Rockefeller. I think the issue is what Bill Gates is doing and how sensibly he is doing it. It seems to me he is heading in the right direction."
While benefactors such as Carnegie, Mellon and Rockefeller represented the burgeoning wealth arising from oil, steel and railroads, those of the late 20th Century are bearing gifts from the revolutionary age of information technology. And, like Rockefeller, Gates stands accused of being a monopolist.
Gates' $750 million gift to the Global Fund for Children's Vaccines came less than three weeks after United States District Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson ruled that Microsoft used its monopoly power to thwart competition. The ruling was seen as a threat to Microsoft stock, but share prices rebounded after Jackson appointed a federal judge to mediate between Microsoft and the U.S. Department of Justice prosecutors.
In a percentage of total wealth, it's not the same.
Also, many of the "generous" givers - i.e. Standard Oil (Rockafeller) gave very generously to help cover up their image of anti-consumer/anti-competitive greed. So, from that angle, BG fits right in.
Go do some research - most of these scumbags only give to help "reinvent" their image.
Gates may give, but look at the actions of the firm he ran. If you think that'll help re-invigorate his image with me, you been smoking somthing...
So, the origional poster was right! "Bzzzt - you win a years supply of toilet paper..."
Cheers!
love your work!!
Believe with me, my saplings.
satanism
communism
Great release! I would switch completely
to mozilla if there were not an annoying issue
which had been in the bug list for years: in
linux, mozilla still does not open local
files like
mozilla help.html
(galeon does this correctly). While a little wrapper
#!/bin/sh
dir_name=`pwd`;
absolute_filename="file://$dir_name/$1"
mozilla $absolute_filename
can help, I hope this is soon no more necessary.
If Bill Gates wants to be charitable, why doesn't he fix the bugs in Windows XP, and in Internet Explorer (17 and counting)?
The bugs and deliberate shortcomings in Windows XP are causing me lots of grief now, so I'm particularly aware of them. (I have to support my customers.) I haven't been able to find anyone associated with Microsoft who seems interested in fixing them.
Quite likely the bugs are not fixed because some secret agency of the U.S. government like the CIA or the FBI or the NSA wants the bugs. That may be the reason that the government is giving Microsoft such a sweet deal after the company was found guilty of breaking federal law.
The people who own computers are usually the leaders of any society. The huge number of bugs and deliberate insufficiencies slow us in our work. Making a good product would be the best charity for the whole world.
Giving free copies of Windows to people who would not otherwise buy them is cheap charity. (It's just one CD, and their group is allowed to make copies. The cost is in supervising the program.) Also, remember that they are expected to pay normally for upgrades.
Maybe the free software is donated to groups whom the U.S. government wants to watch. It's possible that the U.S. taxpayer supports what the Gates Foundations are doing, not Bill Gates or his father or wife. That is definitely the kind of sneaky behavior in which the U.S. government has engaged in the past. For evidence of this see What should be the response to violence? .
Anyhow, often rich people give money because they want to feel superior, and like to tinker with other people's lives. Don't look only at how much money is spent; look at the effect of the money. Many times a charitable project is, effectively, merely a method of advancing a rich person's hidden agenda.
Do you think that, in some other area of his life, Bill Gates is a nice guy? I don't think it ever works that way. I'm sympathetic to the troubles he has had in his life, but not accepting of his abuse.
NOTE: you can't start the profile manager unless Mozilla is fully shut down.
http://rocknerd.co.uk
Dude, you can use the net-installer builds, that's why they're there :-) Install the browser and PSM (so you can get https://), then install the other bits when you want them.
http://rocknerd.co.uk
We are. On #mozilla ;-)
http://rocknerd.co.uk
... not just for Mozilla and its team, but for OpenSource, the internet itself, as well as the spirit of innovation and entrepreneurship.
This is not just a web browser: it is a platform of its own. When Netscape first came out, Microsoft feared that it would become a platform of its own that would quickly make Windows irrelevant. Mozilla is a proof-of-concept of Microsoft's fear. Its interface is almost identical across operating systems: the browser will look and mostly act the same across Windows, Linux, FreeBSD, Mac, Solaris, etc. This means that a developer can design a web application or site that he can be almost 100% confident will run the same across many different operating systems without having to perform extensive operating-system specific testing. This gives alternative operating systems like Linux a huge advantage, because the developpers of a web application need not explicitly support that operating system.
Mozilla is, IMO, the best web browser out there, even better than IE. The tabbed interface allows me to browse several pages at once in the same Window, a real time saver both as a surfer and a developer. The automatic fill-in of usernames, passwords and form data is a real time-saver. Also, it looks better than any other browser out there: a real eye-pleaser.
Another thing that I hope will happen and that probably won't is a renewal of the browser wars. Microsoft has been getting complascent by not making significant updates or changes to IE other than to impair user functionality (no more native plug-ins or Java included). I would really like Microsoft to have to face browser competition again so that the company once again has to stay on its toes. The end users can only benefit from that.
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You can find some cool add-ons for Mozilla at Mozdev. Among these are: Annozilla, a sidebar tool for annotating websites; Forumzilla, a tool for reading web discussion forums usenet-style; Jabberzilla, a Jabber-client; MozBlog for weblog authors; OptiMoz for mouse gestures, and many many others. Not all of these work with 1.0 yet, though.
How powerful is Mozilla mail on windows? Can it handle 1-2k emails in each folder (inbox, etc) without choking?
Sometimes when I click a link, it open a new browser window. I hate this. Is there any way to make it open a new tab instead of a new window?
After reading slashdot headlines about version 0.99rc1, 0.99rc2, 0.99rc3, 0.99.1b, 0.99.2brc1, 0.99.3brc1, 1.0rc1, 1.0rc2, 1.0rc3 and now 1.0 ... It can't be. It just can't be.
Is there a way to get Windows Media Player to work in Mozilla? For example, C|Net Radio?
It's just you.
/.: why the hell am I here?
The ground doesn't feel cold... the air isn't very cold.... damn, would have thought there'd be more of a temperature change when hell froze over...
Question everything that you've accepted without thinking.
you fuckin cunt, get a life, no, die, thats better.
They also have a "simple html" view for mail, which sanitizes incoming html to simple html or plaintext. A cool feature, but to be honest, the rest of the browser looks exactly like mozilla with the modern skin and "beonex communicator" in the titlebar.
Feel better now? Jeez, smoke a joint or something.
Either:
A.) That was nothing but a pure Troll (in which case, yes, "I have bitten"), which seems awfully odd considering the amount of time and effort it took to write it, or:
B.) You actually believe all that crap. Hey, man, if you like Windows and IE, use 'em. No one's stopping you. And just because some of us prefer the fact that Mozilla doesn't prescribe to the Security Hole of the Week Club doesn't mean you have to get your panties all in a knot over it.
Everyone knows Slashdot is a 'Yay Linux! Boo Microsoft!' site. If it really bothers you that much, don't read.
Or maybe you get your jollies when you get someone like me to reply to your BS. If so, you're that much more pathetic.
Please have a nice day..........
/.: why the hell am I here?
And the beast shall be made legion. Its numbers shall be increased a thousand thousand fold. The din of a million keyboards like unto a great storm shall cover the earth, and the followers of Mammon shall tremble. from The Book of Mozilla, 3:31 (Red Letter Edition)
FREAK, Beating the SHIT out of defenseless Primates is MY hobby...GET YOUR OWN.
have they fixed this one?
bugzilla 92769
oh who cares. i gave up on moz a long time ago. i really like opera, but more and more i'm just using IE. right now i'm using IE on osX and it's pretty nice.
if they've fixed this bug i might try it.
I have this one (linux) from 6-03-02 nightly build. I'm sure it'll do for a while. Did have a bug however on one of the nightly builds after rc3 that caused a bunch of ? marks to appear in my list of email boxes (the left hand pane). These are testing builds, and errors are expected. Overall I find the Windows version of Mozilla to be the better of the two vs linux version. I'm thinking that they call them the same but they are quite different. As far as Netscape 7.0 goes, I find the linux version to have a strange bug where you can only open it once. If you decide to close NS 7pr1, and then later want to reopen it, nothing happens. (kind of like when the Boss promises you a raise) This bug is not present in the Windows version of NS7pr1. Overall I like Mozilla better than NS 7, it seems to be very well done, and has no serious bugs in either Windows or Linux.
Rapidweather's Linux Screenshots.
One last note. Moderators may not reply to stories they moderate, so they often only moderate stories in which they have little interest. Because of that, moderators often don't follow the entire discussion threads closely.
Therefore, it is probably necessary to explain that this discussion of Bill Gate's charity is VERY much on topic.
The true philanthropists are those who contributed to Mozilla, and those who contribute to other open source projects.
Someone who annoys the whole world with buggy software, so that he can make money, is not a true philanthropist. It matters little if he gives a small part of that money to a worthy cause.
Finally its here :)
2 04 02a.htmh idden-fil es.shtml
anyway who still wants to use m$ ie,
and for ppl that still use ie,
hope you know about the hidden folders
m$ lets ie make.
thinking about content.ie5
~\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5
read more about it here
http://netsecurity.about.com/library/weekly/aa0
http://www.fuckmicrosoft.com/content/ms-
While any positive contribution is good, maybe this is just the activity of a bored, rich housewife.
It's nice to see
:)
about:mozilla
is still there
thank you.
I don't see much difference from NN4.x It's not any great speed improvement. I'm actually finding it to be slower than IE in most cases. It's clunky looking and feeling, and it takes forever to load images. On the whole, I'm disappointed and unimpressed.
It is strange that booth hoowee and bahtama use the same rarely used Simpson's reference: "Comic Book Guy: "There is no Groening in my store". It is used by hoowee in his sig, and bahtama in this comment. Kind of makes you wonder why this guy likes to have conversation with himself.
It's still SLOW to load/run as molasses and doesnt support simple style tags.
I'll stick to IE when I'm in Windows
A great free tool for uninstalling IE (3-6) from Windows (95, 98, 98SE, ME, & 2000 SR1) is IEradicator which can be found at:
"http://www.litepc.com/ieradicator.html"
It's a nice tool to have in the troubleshooting bag, especially in the IS dept. of a university where all of the students have laptops. Our helpdesk people are extremely happy with it.
It doesn't work on Windows 2000 SR2 or XP because of System File Protection, but you really can't beat it for the price! (unless you install Linux, which has no nasty IE in the first place)
Congratulations and thanks to Mozilla for the great browser!!
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- Sprechen Sie mit der Hand, weil die Ohren nicht hören.
Why did this have to happen the very day I install Mozilla 1.0 RC3...??? grrrr...
So a few of us have got together to try and make it not suck in an unofficial project.
We have all just started, all new to the code, but if you'd like to help, drop by at www DOT fastcheck DOT org. Not a real URL here to not slashdot the server.
There is nothing to download, it just contains a forum.
Pretty Nice, but the address bar bug is still there from RC2. It doesn't always update to the page it's actually at.
No excellent soul is exempt from a mixture of madness. --Aristotle
...why slashdot's home page doesn't render properly with Mozilla 1.0 on XP?
There are clear rendering errors using a generic XP install and "Microsoft certified" ATI graphics driver. If I had to guess, I'd say that it's a bounding box problem, as some of the title line graphics are clipped one pixel too high.
For the record, each of Opera, Navigator and IE appear to render the page correctly on the same machine in the same configuration.
So does this mean
(a) that slashdot's home page isn't standards compliant; or
(b) Mozilla doesn't work properly in this configuration?
Not to rain on everyone's parade, but this does seem like pretty fundamental stuff...
Has anyone successfully run Mozilla on OpenBSD?
It's funny. Laugh.
A few years ago, I remember posting something on Slashdot about how Mozilla was too little, *way* too late. Netscape was dead, and worse than that, it was kludgy and buggy. IE was, in spite of its faults, the most standards compliant browser out there, and it was hella fast, too.
I really thought Mozilla was doomed. And all those notices on mozilla.org! "Download at your own risk! This software is buggy! It'll probably make your 'puter explode!" It seemed like they didn't even want to succeed.
I've been keeping track of Mozilla since then though, and downloading new versions every so often. Today, I just wanted to take the opportunity to thank the Mozilla team, congratulate them, and apologize to them. I thought you couldn't do it. But you did do it. And you did it well. You've made me a stronger believer in open source than I was before, and you've made a kickass browser, too.
Let the browser wars begin again!
He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
Except that about 50% of the software you install after that will reinstall it! It's a system component that is required by a HUGE software base. But then I realised long ago that /. users don;t actually do *anything* with their computers but surf, e-mail and chat. So maybe it won't be a problem for you.
jews could make better browser
Hey, if she's old enough to pee, she old enough for me.
If she's old enough to go to the store, she's old enough to buy the bread.
Which affects quite a lot of sites -- many web services open and close status windows automatically.
The BugZilla article at http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10345
Also, the forthcoming XP service pack 1 will only allow you to remove the icons for browsers, a Reuters article here notes:
So basically, it's nothing new for those of us familiar with deleting shortcuts and running the Mozilla installer.
Anyway, congrats to the Mozilla hackers on getting this far! I can't wait for the next few releases. Another bonus -- now the APIs are frozen, it should make projects like K-Meleon (a light MFC UI for the Moz engine for Win32) a lot easier.
<!-- DHTML / JavaScript menu, popup tooltip, Ajax scripts -->
I've been using Mozilla on and off for a *long* time- Ive stuck with it exclusively since RC1- I wouldn't say the fact that they're calling this "1.0" is anything signifigant. (side note, can *anyone* find the "what's new" from RC3 to 1.0? I sure as hell can't... Anyway- there's still a long way to go- It's still slow in general (anxious to try out Beonex at home). The Flash and Java performane is *horrendous*- And it doesn't render many sites "correctly"- Yes- I put "correctly" in quotes because I'm fully aware that the offending sites probably aren't rendering correctly because they're not entirely standards-compliant... But who cares? Do "standards" matter when you're on a crashing plane? Hell no- you use what you have around you and make the best of it. Making Mozilla "standards compliant" at the expense of ill rendering only hurts it. Hey guess what- Forget about the "standards", IE by virtue of market share has *become* THE standard. Mozilla should render to that, not some worthess pieces of paper... Oh- and if you'd like a lovely reference site for Mozilla's deficiencies- hit up my favorite site in Mozilla: http://www.consumptionjunction.com (Make sure you have the flash plugin) a) notice it doesn't render correctly at all b) notice the animated ad on the left (the flash one) So when I watch the movies there, I go to the "movies" tab and then open each movie in a new tab (in the background) and then go through each tab and download the movie, then close the tab. Do this and watch your CPU bog heavily as each tab has that embedded flash ad in it, churning away whether you can actually see it or not. Then do the same thing in IE...
I browse at +5 Flamebait- moderation for all or moderation for none.
I genuinely think it's a pity that it's taken 4.5 years to produce what is a pretty mediocre browser. Why would Joe Average switch from IE to Mozilla?
I thought Mozilla would be the shining light of the open source world, and validate the OS movement to the masses. Instead, they've produced something largely irrelevant and unexciting, and took their sweet time doing it.
I'm going back to using IE6.
If 200K is so painful to download, what do you want a web browser for anyway?
I mean, I really like mozilla's page rendering and such, it's pretty fast and all that. I really really really want to get away from microsoft. I'm very impressed that they pulled off the hard stuff. But the only reason I stick with IE for most of my browsing is for two really simple things that mozilla refuses to offer as preferences (but IE did right the first time):
1) "New Navigator Window" as it is is utterly useless. If it did like IE, and opened a new window on the current page with the current history, it would be infinitely more useful than something that just emulates the icon on my desktop (opening a new browser at the default page, with no history). The power in forking the history is immense. Ok maybe an exaggeration but I use it many times a day and curse loudly when it is not there.
2) "View source" should go to the editor of your choice (notepad is just fine with me).
The utility of these two things is so obvious I can't believe they don't include them at least as an option. If there is a way to get this preference, I'd like to hear it, but I sure don't see it.
1.0 has been released. Development now stops for a week while everyone pisses it up and trys out their headache cures. Not that this is a bad thing :)
Nerd: Derogatory term typically directed at anybody with a lower Slashdot ID than you.
Nice try, but I know damn well there are tons of women at Umich look younger than her. Oh, and all those links were broken. But of the actual pictures that exist on that page, only one or two show a woman I'd call obviously older than BSD Babe.
The enemies of Democracy are
This book chapter from O'Reilly's OpenSources book captures the spirit of Mozilla really well:
Freeing the Source: The Story of Mozilla
Can we make they 'greyed out' menu items more 'grey'?
They look like my eyes r going blurry rather than being disabled items.
Oh I'm sorry, I just had to take the opportunity. Our beloved moz can take a joke eh? Good work on a kick arse application, nay platform.
Now if all those web developers can get their browser detection scripts right I'll stop seeing "upgrade your old version" messages and hopefullly (fingers crossed) manage to avoid being offered a link to microsoft.com.
Ya. If you make 5-6 bucks an hour and you send 30% to the government you go from not having enough to live on to being fucked beyond belief. if someone who makes 30 million a year loses 66 to the gov. and only gets 10 mil well hell the the more power to them to stick their nose at me. And you know it wouldn't be bad if I could say that 2 bucks an hour which is my fair share could go to say the military or cancer research but no it gets sent to the law enforcement who throw me in jail for smoking marijuana. It's this kind of setup which makes me want to say unspeakable things and the very least of which are FUCK YOU YOU GOAT FUCKING SENATORS REPRESENATIVES AND POLICEMEN.
"it shouldn't be as bloated and resource intensive as Photoshop."
Why not? Its dynamically scaling images, dithering, optimizing palettes, mundging in widgets, throwing on some stylesheets which may or may not cascade with their freaky transparency and glow effects, layers, inline-frames, parsing tons of shit javascript, html, css, handling plugins and still spitting out something viewable in realtime...
sounds as complicated as photoshop to me.
Interactive Visual Medical Dictionary
1.0 is finally here!
This is higher then the number of working mirrors I found.
Offtopic and a bit trollish, but I always liked this movie...
If she's old enough to crawl, she's in the right position.
shows the following as a boxscore for mozilla.
CNET rating: 7
The good: Fast; stable; free; includes full-featured e-mail client.
The bad: Incompatible with some sites built for Internet Explorer; chat client doesn't work with the big commercial IM systems, including ICQ, Yahoo IM, AOL IM, and Windows Messenger.
The bottom line: Until Netscape 7 comes out, Mozilla is the best free alternative to Microsoft IE. And it's faster, to boot.
Y'know, when the only bad things they can say about your browser is
1)it is standards-compliant; and
2)no, IRC does not work with AIM
then I think you've done a pretty damn good job. Congratulations!
I've been getting CRC errors on both the full install and the net install, both at my work and home PCs (Win2000 and Win98). So, will this be fixed before mortal folks simply give up on the download and keep using IE???
Does anyone know if there is a Linux build of 1.0 that uses a contemporary version of QT instead of GTK?
I need anti-aliasing, damnit!
-Peter
Mentioned almost nowhere: if you want to add custom search engines to your sidebar, there's the mycroft project. http://mycroft.mozdev.org/ Any contributions welcome!
No, it wasn't. Read this and notice the nesting.
± 29 dB
Seriously, when 35,000,000 AOL users switch to Mozilla/Netscape/Gecko/whatever when AOL 8.0 comes out we are going to see a browser war the likes of which the world has never seen. I can hardly wait. It's gonna be awsome.
/me grins evily
:)
We're going to make information free Mr. Anderson, whether you like it, or not.
IIRC, one of the requirements for the 1.0 release was that the Gecko engine would be in a seperate library. This would mean, for example, that Galeon would now only require installing libgecko (or whatever), rather than a full Moz install. Is this still in the plan, and has 1.0 achieved it?
- Mr. Prosser said, "You were quite entitled to make any suggestions or protests at the appropriate time, you know."
(From "Hitchhiker's Guide To the Galaxy")"Appropriate time?" hooted Arthur. "Appropriate time? The first I knew about it was when a workman arrived at my home yesterday. I asked him if he'd come to clean the windows and he said no, he'd come to demolish the house. He didn't tell me straight away of course. Oh no. First he wiped a couple of windows and charged me a fiver. Then he told me."
"But Mr. Dent, the plans have been available in the local planning office for the last nine months."
"Oh yes, well, as soon as I heard I went straight round to see them, yesterday afternoon. You hadn't exactly gone out of your way to call attention to them, had you? I mean, like actually telling anybody or anything."
"But the plans were on display..."
"On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them."
"That's the display department."
"With a flashlight."
"Ah, well, the lights had probably gone."
"So had the stairs."
"But look, you found the notice, didn't you?"
"Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on display on the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard.'"
Do any of these bugs sound like bugs that should be in a 1.0 product?
There are many more. It needs about 4 more years of work. Go AOL!
Grrr mumble grumble....
you can download Mozilla 1.0 for
- Windows
- Linux
- FreeBSD
- BeOS (only 1.0 RC2 at the moment)
from http://bezip.de
Ciao,
Sebastian
Wow! Some are really trying hard to get MSN users to switch to Mozilla/Netscape. Found two communities:
IE to Mozilla
This place is for helping people migrate from the IE browser to the open source Mozilla browser for a much better surfing experience. The web is easy, you just need the right tools. We show you how.
http://communities.msn.com/IEtoMozilla/home.htm
Netscape - Mozillat m
The is a community to talk about Netscape & Mozilla all versions.
http://communities.msn.com/NetscapeMozilla/home.h
BSD has to pay for "it"
A phone rings at an escort-service....
Slut #1, "oh shit! its those creepy, bearded BSD guys again!"
Slut #2, "oh no, they go on and on about the efficency of their TCP/IP stack! Like, get over it!"
Slut #3, "yeah, don't they know its all about driver support, sheesh!"
Slut #2, "apt-get rocks! Don't they know that???"
Slut #4, "yeah and they go on about how evil the GPL is, they're almost as bad as those microsoft freaks. Did you ever have to do Bill? uuuuhhg! They say some are showers, while others are growers, well he's neither!"
The current Slashdot moderation system is made by gay communists!
Or maybe you mean like Galeon [sf.net] for those with Gnome. Or maybe Skipstone which is just GTK+ based? Or K-meleon [sourceforge.net] if you are on Windows? There are projects galore out there playing with the Moz codebase.
Even Mozilla uses GTK+ on linux. This is the compile message I received when trying to do a festive compile of Mozilla:
checking for GTK - version >= 1.2.0... no
*** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found.
*** If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
*** your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the
*** full path to gtk-config.
*** GTK+ is available from ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk
configure: error: Test for GTK failed.
And this when using the options
But don't get me wrong. I'm very happy 1.0 is here.
Did you notice the fireworks on the start page?
Just hover over the parties link.
DNA is the ultimate spaghetti code.
Cross platform, thats what mozilla is able to, what IE ca't. You can use Mozilla on windows, unix, linux, and the MAC!.
Archiving such is not an easy thing to do.
I'm very happy to have good a decend browser on linux.
--
Karma 50, and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt.
Isn't it possible to install Mozilla so that it can replace IE as an Active-X provider for many programs?
Anyone know how I go about changing the splash screen in OS X? I can't find the mozilla.bmp file anywhere on my system using find :(
"ÂÔÕéÇÂÃÑ" :)
...congratulations in Thai.
of course, our lizard is internationalized!
I had cleaned up my pc and removed references to IE and was encouraging my partner to use moz - she is onboard with the free softeare argument too.
She basically just uses webmail plus a little browsing.
Then one day recently, a bug or flaw of some kind in an update to the website meant that it wouldn't get past her password entry. Tried IE and it was fine. And, just like that, she has used IE every day since.
Things just have to work and when they don't then thats your new perception.
C
hahaha
they came to India to do all sorts philanthropy ya gave some thing around 50 lacs INR(approx.5 million$) to my home state (karnataka)
and went back with 500 million$ project for networking our villages..................
out of it i don't think even little has been done about it...............
must have gone to a bureaucrat's pockets..............
---
veni vidi veli
i came, i saw, i looted
POS?
Releasing software with KNOWN BUGS, hrmmm
mozilla sounding more like micr0s0ft...
1.0 - who cares, it's still a POS
For those who want Mozilla with anti-aliased font support.:
m lan/mozilla/
http://www.opiskelijakirjasto.lib.helsinki.fi/jks
Dear Bill, do you have a
I followed steps in 7.5 but it caused M to freeze before starting. In the end I have decided I have to lose the content of the old profile and I am quite relieved to have done that as it has solved a number of issues like hertz.com giving a blank screen before. Luckily I do not use M for mail yet although I would really love to do that when I figure a way to remove the duplicates from OE that were created during a previous attempt to use M for mail.
In all fairness, it's taken Microsoft from 1995-2002 to produce their high quality Internet Explorer based on NCSA Mosaic's code. That's what, 7.5 years?
I amazed that about:mozilla still works. Although it appears that my tags will nolonger blink until the ends of the earth.... :)
"Freedom of speech has always been the abstract red-headed stepchild of the Constitution"
-Suck
Obviously this is a mission for RMS! Imagine it: the FSF starts making FreePr0n with an free license. That is, you can reenact the pictures...but then you are obliged to post your piuctures on the net!
First off will be Doctress Neutopia et al...
You knew theyre was a reason for the "open minded" clause in the FSF employment ads, right?
Check out ShirtZilla.
Cool funny t-shirts for geeks, gamers and everyone else
Safest method is probably to go to the page with a list of all your files, then restore each thing you want back (mail, bookmarks, etc) to your fresh profile one file at a time. Though I'm loath to write that having not tried it myself.
http://rocknerd.co.uk
It doesn't work on Windows 2000 SR2 or XP because of System File Protection
You can disable the SFP in the registry. =P
Oh, yes, the joys of Slashdot. Some idiot anonymous coward posts something like this without support what they are saying.
Please, go back to jacking off to net-p0rn if you can't support this kind of baseless crap.
Mozilla is relevent because it has pop-up supression; cross-platform compatibility; MathML; better support for the standards than IE; it is themeable; has a mail and news client; it an entire application framework; etc.
I have an account; but this doesn't merit a non-anonymous reply.
I've found a couple of sites (this one in particular) that manage to sneak pop-ups past Mozilla's built in pop-up killer.
It's not a pr0n site - it does movie reviews - and the pop-ups don't always make it through. That is, there's not a specific way that I can tell you to make it happen. Sometimes I see it on the front page, other times it happens while browsing through the reviews. When I get home from work I'll post a screenshot as evidence.
I'm wondering what makes their method work-around unchecking "open unrequested windows."
Has anyone else seen something like this?
-r
Just because something is free does not mean you have to take it.
You hosed that one... It's:
If she's old enough to go to the store, she's old enough to get bread!
(Stolen sig) Remember: it's a "Microsoft virus", not an "email virus", a "Microsoft worm", not a "computer worm
Mozilla doesn't do gopher very well-- for example, it fails to show information tags (a big nuisance): try publication or floodgap in Moz and another browser and see the difference.
GROGGS: alive and well and living in
Along with other posters criticizing this, I'd like to point out that bill gates stole most of that money by taking advantage of his monopoly situation. Some of that money he stole from me, and I haven't had the chance to recover it by lawsuit yet, so by giving it away to charities I don't believe in, he has deprived me of the opportunity to give it to something more important and deserving.
"Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
Don't believe me? Try it. It is spreading like a virus in Europe. :) I converted my 28 colleagues at my office.
Dear Bill, do you have a
And that's just a browser. That doesn't include the mail, news or chat clients, nor does it include the html editor, or the various site debugging tools that come with mozilla.
Slackware-current now has Mozilla 1.0!
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
When Moz loads, it still has that old, ugly splash screen. I did a little googling and found some much better ones if anybody wants them:
l as h
http://www.lotekk.net/index.php?page=moz&sub=sp
-Ted http://www.freemathhelp.com/
Dollar-wise he has given less than nothing. It's all tax deductible.
Did anyone get java working with it. I downloaded and installed the jre download available from the mozilla download page. But many java applets fail to start up. Any clues?
He gives money to the Bill & Melinda Gates foundation. He donates money to himself. Some of it gets spent, some of it doesn't. He gets to spend it on what he wants, which sounds to me less like donating, and more like buying things you want and earning interest on your own tax write offs!
So you're saying he didn't have to pay taxes on 23 billion dollars, but he only actually had to give away 5 billion? That sounds dishonest to me. It's not particularly clever. Most people know how to cheat on their taxes, it isn't hard to figure out. But even if you can't you can pay an accountant to do it for you.
When you are very rich, you can go to $100,000 a plate political dinner parties. Whether you are passionate about politics or not, its really about 1) spending $100,000 on a party because you can, and 2) buying your way into a social circle.
Donating to the right charities is the same thing. It's what gets you to the right parties, get's your name printed in the right periodicals, and so on. It may seem like a waste of money to you and me, but when you have millions (or billions) sitting around, why not spend a few to satisfy a whim.
If I had 2 billion dollars, I would think nothing of spending a million or two to satisfy a trivial desire.
The world's greatest browser took over four years to be made, and you're complaining? I bet you would have complained that Michelangelo couldn't finish a simple roof painting job overnight.
Some things are just worth waiting for.
Nathan's blog
look at the actions of the firm he ran.
For the six seconds this is viewable before it gets tagged flamebait, I think out-of-work Californian IT folk still have it better than those that are getting the BillG cash.
Microsoft, the RIAA and whoever else might be a terrible problem for those on Slashdot but in the Real World they have done quite a bit to make people's lives better.
- Chris
On the page http://www.mozilla.org/releases/, the download links are broken. They appear to have the wrong filenames, and in addition the files on the FTP server have mispelled names ("install" missing the last "l"). I was able to figure this out but lots of other MacOS users might not - if you value your enthusiastic MacOS fans, get this fixed pronto!
Bug Free does not exist.
Period.
Current testing (software quality assurance) theory holds that it is statistically impossible for someone to find ALL the bugs in a program. The sheer number of combinations makes it infeasible.
Kem Kaner, author of Testing Computer Software, the defacto bible of software testers goes into great detail about this idea.
For example, I DL'd Mozilla 1.0, and have already had it crash twice, and it frequently locks up and won't browse to new addresses.
Bug Free? I don't think so.
Sure MS products have bugs, but so do ALL software, including Linux, and others.
Just a data point to throw out there.
badger
Mozilla isn't even as fast as Netscape according to tests by CNET. So what is the advantage over Opera? Something for /.ers to over-tweak and post their conquests here ? I think I'll get an erection elsewhere.
Your sig here!
I really like how I can control pop-up window creation using the preferences in Mozilla 1.0...
Now I'm trying to control image animation, the other annoying method of advertisers. I see the Mozilla preferences in
Privacy Images,
but when I set "Animated image should loop" to
"Never", I still see image animations...
Has anyone gotten this to work?
Now I'm digging into the source code...
I see the function GetAnimationMode but it looks like it may not be used in the current code. Now to find out where to hook it up, and rebuild the app... Wish me luck, or tell me it has already been done! I'm using the Win32 and OS X binaries but maybe I should try using Mozilla on Linux.
Thank you very much for your advice. I've posted this on a dozen different forums, and you're the first person to actully propose a fix (Everyone else made fun of me for using such a slow machine).
:).
It improved the speed of mozilla tremendously.
MozillaRC3 is still a little slower then NS4.7 in some regards (But it is faster in rendering pages, so the speed trade offs are worth it_, but it is completely usable now. As time goes on, I'm sure some developers will introduce some speed tweaks for we Solaris users.
I didn't realize that a slow NFS would impact Mozilla this much. After all, the NS4.7 cache is on the same NFS drive, so I assumed the NFS impact would be similar.
Plus, I was using RC2, which does not have the option "Edit->Preferences->Advanced->Cache->D isk Cache Folder". (RC3 wasn't available on http://www.mozilla.org/releases until a few days ago, and the netadmins don't allow FTP access, so no ftp.mozilla.org for me. So now I'm wating for 1.0 to appear for Solaris users
Once again, thank you very much for your help.
"Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
as promised.
I know everyone has been waiting with baited breath...
-r
Just because something is free does not mean you have to take it.
This is like saying "Well, they provide jobs" when someone complains about working conditions, sweatshops etc.
Sure, Pimps provide jobs. Hey, infact even, child pornographers provide jobs - but that's obviously a job not worth having. So, that's just a crock.
Simply having done something innovative (which BillG hasn't) or that made someones life easier isn't an escape from your overall actions.
The Mafia creates wealth and ease for quite a few people...but that doesn't excuse how they run their lives.
BillG ran a company that used sharp business deals (think Stacker, think IBM and OS/2, think Sybase etc etc etc...these are only more recent examples) and great marketing (sharp deals are 80% great marketing 20%) along with a monopoly on the OS (what other general use OS was available for PC's from the mid-late 80's to today?) to gain the position they are in now.
You can speculate that this was for the general good of the population. I'll counter that if the market had real transparancy and open-ness, the gains for the consumer would have been even greater. Just as no Mafia would produce greater wealth for all - just not as much for the few... Of course, we'll never know - I just know that eventually, what's moral and ethical is also best for me and you. We'll both do better in the long run.
Cheers!
(Im not anonymous coward my name is Linus Torvalds)
This is a great day for the open source comunity Let us rejoice
There is no text here. /. software sucks.
This is not text.
OK, so "the calendar is not in the binary builds of 1.0, or in your own builds unless you specifically enable the option" is a more clear statement of the truth. But "the calendar is not in 1.0" says almost exactly the same thing and is less typing.
And it's not a "plugin", in the Flash or Java sense. It's an XPI (cross-platform installable component.)
Gerv
(gerv@mozilla.org, and one of the initiators of the Mozilla Calendar project)