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PalmOS 5 Turns Gold
Stalke writes: "On sunday, PalmSource (the spinoff from Palm responsible for the development of the PalmOS) announced that PalmOS 5 has gone gold. This latest version of the operating system includes support for ARM processors, Bluetooth and 802.11b, high-res displays (320x320; although Sony already uses even high res displays in its NR70) and more. Products with PalmOS 5 should start shipping in just over a months' time!"
For reference, the hi-res support in OS/5 is not limited to 320x320 per say. Though it's likely that is what many devices will come out with, the choice is actually up to the OEM, but the API is reasonably generic so that it abstracts real screen pixels away from internal pixels.
As was clearly stated at the PalmSource conference back in February, the OS is equally suited to a 640x640 display or even the odd resolutions like 320x480 (like the NR70).
it doesn't matter anyway. PalmOS5 is for ARM cpus. So *everyone* is going to have to upgrade. No current dragonball hardware can run it. This is for a new breed.
goto www.palmos.com you'll find screenshots there. The OS looks pretty much the same though, the changes are mainly internal and you really wont notice them till apps come out with support for them.
Later,
Phil
No you can't. It requires a ARM processor. None of the current PalmOS models can be upgraded to PalmOS-5.
-Eric
I repeat, AFAIK, but I'm pretty sure about this, cos it's the way the gaming industry does it
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In the Treo, at least, when you are on the phone, you can't continue to use your applications.
that's odd. on my samsung sph-i300 i can use other applications while on the phone (granted, this is only useful while on speakerphone or with a headset).
I beta tested it. No screen shots, but you can feel the BeOS influence in it. I'm sure some purists will complain about OS bloat, but it's quite efficient and snappy on an ARM, while supporting a lot of advanced features.
There are two C/C++ development toolchains for Palm OS: Metrowerks CodeWarrior and what's called prc-tools, which is GCC, GDB, etc configured and patched as a cross-compiler for Palm OS. Some surveys suggest that each of them has about 50% of the market of Palm OS developers.
In the past, Palm OS SDKs have supported both toolchains: the 3.5 and 4.0 SDKs contained various linker (static) libraries in both CodeWarrior format and, for GCC, COFF format. The 4.0 SDK was even available from Palm as an RPM as well as a Unix tarball.
The 5.0 SDK's ReadMe has this to say about GCC:
There are no GCC libraries and no Unix SDKs.I've also posted to palm-dev-forum about this.
In practice, it's not a show-stopper: the header files, which are all you really need to use the new 5.0 APIs (notably high density graphics and ARM subroutines), work fine with GCC. There's a bit of extra pain on Unix due to line termination issues and PalmSource's lack of familiarity with case-sensitive filesystems, but it's not too bad.
The GCC link libraries are entirely missing from the 5.0 SDK. This is unfortunate: while you can easily write an application without using them, the glue routines in one of the libraries makes compatibility with various versions of the OS easier, and PalmSource recommends their use.
Curiously, while the ReadMe says the SDK "does not provide any support for [GCC]", PalmSource were happy to fix showstopper GCC-usage-related bugs in the SDK's header files when they were pointed out to them during the SDK's beta period. Thus the note in the ReadMe is not really true.
All that's really missing is the GCC linker libraries and the Unix builds of the SDK. Because they were happy to fix those header bugs, because their Web pages still claim to "support prc-tools", and because of what various PalmSource employees have told me, I don't believe there's been any conscious decision (or conspiracy :-)) not to support GCC. I think the problem is that, even
though the GCC library and Unix build scripts are still lying around from
the 4.0 SDK, it's simply nobody's job to take responsibility for maintaining
the scripts or for pressing the button that runs them.
It's all very disappointing: in all probability, there's no technical reason why the 5.0 SDK doesn't include GCC libraries or an easily installable Unix package, it's just that no-one cared enough to make them. It seems like it was always just Someone Else's Problem.
It's not too late to fix this. The company I work for and I know how to build these things (I wrote the scripts in a previous life :-)), and we've offered to help PalmSource build them several times. Hopefully they'll take us up on it, and make the users' lives easier.
Oh, disclaimer: I'm a prc-tools maintainer.
I just got a Palm M515 and use ActionNames and PocketMirror to sync with Outlook. It syncs everything as far as I can tell .. even notes for meetings and contacts are synced properly with Notes in Outlook. It actually seems to work better for me than the iPaq I used to have.
Jason
"FORMAT C:" - Kills bugs dead!
In the early days of the Palm Pilot, all was shiny and new. Developers loved it, and cranked out tons of shareware and freeware. All the software expanded its scope far beyond being just a PDA.
;), and added some yummy Java. They ran a beta version past developers, who enthusiastically saluted, and released it this spring in the US. Like in the Palm's youth, applications are being rapidly developed for it (and anything that doesn't get away quickly enough is getting ported).
Some of the original people left the company to found Handspring. They created the Springboard module for their PDAs, and everything was exciting again. Palm *followed* by adding a SD card to their PDAs. Instead of market leader, Palm became market imitator. In fact, their attempt at OS X desktop software (version 4.0) was so bad that Handspring was recommending that their Mac customers stick with version 2.* under Classic! Then again, Handspring abandoned the Springboard, leaving the Palm world pretty dull except for some of Sony's hardware.
So, does that leave us with Microsoft? Hardly! Some time ago, Microsoft drove Sharp out of the US market (basically Sharp wasn't going to play umpteenth fiddle in the Pocket PC world in the US, and so took its toys home in a huff). Sharp worked hard back in Japan, and built themselves up into the leading PDA there, with enough marketshare to become the fifth largest PDA maker in the world. Still Sharp wanted to come back to the US with a bang, so they decided to carve out their own niche that they could be #1 in. Taking a page out of Apple's book, Sharp built their best Zaurus ever and took an open source operating system (Linux), a very cool GUI (hey, Qtopia isn't Aqua, but it leaves other PDA GUIs looking, well, flat
I've got a Palm III and a Handspring Visor Platinum. My Zaurus blows them away. There is really no comparison. The Zaurus is a tiny but real multiprocessing Linux workstation that is a worthy companion to my OS X Macs. It coexists beautifully on my Airport network, sharing files (via FTP) with my Macs and browsing the web with a real browser capable of reading Slashdot (not those dinky postage stamp "pages" for PDAs). It can read and write Word and Excel files (even those created in AppleWorks). It can view pictures from my digital camera, play MP3s, and even view a GMK trailer ("Honey, I shrunk Godzilla and Mothra!";). I can create full tar'ed backups with a couple of taps, and use FTP and my G4 iMac to back the backups up on a CD.
The one thing the Zaurus lacks is a desktop with sync support under OS X. I only use the Zaurus with my Macs and I'm not missing the ability to sync. In fact, I use the cradle as a charging station, I've never plugged the USB cable into anything. The Zaurus is powerful enough to stand on its own as long as you do backups often. If Sharp and Trolltech never get the Mac support done, a third party could write what they need, since the data is stored in XML and both the Zaurus and OS X have good Java support. Wireless syncing via Java would be more fun anyway.
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Is this from personal experience? Because according to Handspring's Treo FAQ:
Q. While talking on my Treo communicator, can I view my calendar or input data to other applications?
A. Yes, you have complete access to all of your other applications (except those which use the serial library during a call, such as another wireless application). Therefore, you can view your calendar, enter an appointment, write a note, create a to do item, or enter contact information in your address book-all while talking on the phone. Of course, this feature is most useful when using the included headset or in speakerphone mode. To return to the Phone application, simply press the Phone button on your Treo communicator-and you'll be back in the Phone application.
Too bad some moderators are stupid and mod up false post as 'informative'.
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1) Due apparently to time constraints, the multithreading API was not included in Palm OS 5. It is scheduled to be in OS 5.5, which will include a slew of other new stuff too. Remember, a lot of the Palm OS 5 guys worked at Apple and had first-hand knowledge of the ship-date-that-never-came of Apple's Copeland OS. So they were anxious to get something out the door already.
2) Your information about the Treo is wrong. You can use the phone while using another app. In fact, Handspring's ads expressly mention this as a feature of the device. How does it do this without multitasking/threading? The Treo hands phone conversation processing over to another chip, leaving the main processor free for other things.
--Mythos
This is true for Palm OS 1-4, but isn't true for Palm OS 5. OS 5 runs a completely new, supposedly Palm-originated kernel.
The kernel of Palm OS 1-4 is actually Kadak's AMX. While AMX is a 32-bit multitasking, multithreading kernel itself, Palm's license agreement prohibited multitasking and limited Palm OS to 4 threads. Palm OS, of course, uses 3 threads to handle internal functions, so only 1 thread was ever available to user applications. Palm was prevented from exposing AMX's multitasking/threading APIs, so if you wanted to do that with a Palm OS application, you had to go to Kadak and ask for a license ($$$$$).
Supposedly, OS 5's kernel is brand new, and built from the ground up by PalmSource. The reason it doesn't have support for multitasking yet is because all the existing apps actually run in emulation. When Palm exposes ARM-native APIs in OS 5.5, a lot of new opportunities will open up.
--Mythos