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Riding the World's Fastest Train @ 500 kph
angkor writes "Riding the world's fastest train @ 500 kph - some lucky people got a chance to ride on this experimental train. The Japan Times has the story." I like the part where the wheels retract as it starts picking up speed, with the train floating 10cm over the tracks. If only the California high-speed rail system was up and running.
Yes here in Italy its quite cheap to take a train to your destination. As gas is currently 1.10 euro/litre, so like appx 4 dollars/gallon, you can quickly understand why a 40 euro/30 dollar train pass (depends on the distance you travel) becomes an easy solution. Also if you decide to travel throughout Europe, you can get a pass thats good for the whole way (some places you have to pay a little extra, but still less expensive then flying/driving). Its nice after a long day at work, to be able to hop the train home, you dont have to deal with traffic jams and you are free to move around. In the end it would cost me more to take a car to work, and longer as the roads here are not as straight and big as usa interstates. I have visited usa, and can see why mass transit would be more of a problem as things are spread further apart and there is no mass collaboration on public transport, like here you can get to a stop, then continue on a greyhound like bus to a more remote destination.
I'm serious. You'll understand really quickly how damned important it is to them. Live there for a few months, and you'll be obsessing too.
Imagine being able travel from San Francisco to LA using nothing but train lines, yet be able to stop in, and get around in, every single town between. The trains in Japan are not just for the long distance hauling that we see here, they are really and truly for transportation. Almost every city in the country has thier streets criss-crossed with subways. You can't walk more than two blocks in Osaka without running into one. All the cities are connected from the biggest metropolis to the tiniest villiage.
They are relativly cheap, they are never late, and riding them with your laptop makes commuting fun! And you don't even have to live in the boondocks to be one of those train commuters, because the trains are ubiquitous.
Cars have thier place, but until you have been to Japan, you simply have no idea how amazing trains can be...
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Siemens has a test track for a maglev train in Germany, just across the border with the Netherlands. Though it is a very popular destination with groups of students, politicians and housewives, it hasn't convinced anyone (with enough money) yet that it is a good idea to build.
There have been two cases for it in Germany and the Netherlands, Hamburg-Berlin and Amsterdam-Groningen, both times it failed on the excessive costs that are nescessary to build this track. The main problem of the system lies in the fact that at speeds above 300km/hr the magnetic system creates a drag of its own, so the drag of the wheels and track have been substituted. Furthermore the aerodynamic drag turns out to be a much more important factor than they first expected. So instead of being signifficantly more efficient at high speeds, it is only marginally more efficient at a much higher investment cost. That is why both the Dutch and German government decided not to build production tracks.
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Well, in France most people use high speed train (TGV - 360kph, tested @ 515kph) rather than plane or conventional train...
Reasons :
For a trip from Paris to Lyon (about 450km/280 mi) :
Why take a plane ?
And those trains are quite safe : a handful of those trains derailed, but no-one was killed...
The Times article is nice and gives a good feel of what new generations trains will feel for passengers in a distant future, however the technology and the various experimental versions of high speed levitating trains are not exactly new.
Maglev research started in 1962, and by 1970 studies of electrodynamic levitation systems using superconducting magnets took shape. The first test run took place in 1979. In December 1986, a 3-car train registered 352.4 kph (220 mph). In December 1997, a manned MLX01 attained 531 kph (331 mph), and unmanned, attained 550 kph (344 mph). The following year, a test of two trains passing each other at a relative speed of 966 kph was run successfully. In March 1999, an unmanned five-car MLX01 reached 548 kph (342 mph). In April, the manned five-car MLX01 set a fabulously fast world speed record at 552 kph (345 mph).
We can see that the Japanese aren't ready for commercial deployment yet, as the article reads on:
Europeans daily experience high speed trains for the last decade, with the Eurostar and the TGV cruising commercially at over 300 kph (188 mph). The German have the ICE, which reaches 330 kph (206 mph). The Spanish Talgo is in the works and will do 350 kph (218 mph).
For a more in-depth explanation of the Yamanashi Test Line Maglev trains' technology check out this link. Quite interesting stuff!
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Well, it turns out that the so-called "Tokyo's airports" aren't really close to Tokyo at all, and by the time you land in Shin-Osaka, you've spent over 2 hours getting there. Driving is out of the question, as traffic is horrible at all times, and you have to worry about expensive tolls on the not-so-freeway every 40 miles or so... ...not to mention the $5/gallon gas... So... what about bullet trains?
The bullet trains that go as fast as 300kph would get there in under 2 hours, but because the express train (Hikari, means "light") shares most of the same rails as the every-station-stop train (Kodama, means "echo" - get it? :) ), it can't always go 300kph. Even though it doesn't stop at every station, the Hikari train still has to slow down to around 50% speed when it's whizzing by the folks waiting on the platform 5 feet away, which slows the entire trip to 3+ hours.
You know, this isn't too far-fetched an idea... The maglev will undoubtedly have its own rail, and if it makes only 3~4 stops along the way to Osaka, it'll definitely do the Tokyo-Osaka run in under an hour. The construction of the maglev would create more jobs, and the one-hour commute will encourage "business" to take place faster. Will the maglev railway will turn a profit by itself? Probably not... But will it become a catalyst for Japan's economy to get healthier? Possibly so...!I just hope they include the maglev for the week-long rail passes.
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If you go to this page, you can also see that the Bundesrechnungshof (General Acounting Office) says that it is not economically feasible. The politicians of Northrhine Westphalia disagree, but that has often been the case with projects of great grandeur and little economic value.
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Vietnam - 5.29 fatalities/million train-km
Thailand - 1.05
Bangladesh - 0.66
Netherlands- - 0.28
United States - 0.25
India - 0.21
Iran - 0.11
Japan - 0.10
France - 0.05
Russia - 0.01
The U.K. - 0.1 fatalities/million train-km
The safety record seems to be significantly worse than some countries, but then again it's significantly better than others. It all depends on what you're comparing it to I suppose.
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i just like to remind everyone that Shanghai will have a running maglev from Pudong Airport to the city by the end of the year. you can read the details here. the taxi driver i talked to said the train ride will take 5 minutes. 5 minutes for a maglev train!!! how silly is that?!?
And also there are rumors that china will build a maglev connecting Beijing and Shanghai by 2008 (for the 2008 olympics). knowing how chinese love to show off, i wouldn't bet against this.
i say we wait and see how china does with their maglev... they have enough people to spare (j/k)
It still happens though and makes the evening (always the evening) commute hellish.
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I think you're attributing way too much to the same old worn-out cultural stereotypes.
Come on, it's pretty simple. The country's size, population density, and cost of land make railways ideal for both inner city and inter-region transport, and private automobiles relatively inconvenient.
Japanese would eagerly commute by car if it were worth the cost and time, and in many suburban / rural areas and smaller regional cities that have outgrown the rail systems that serve them, people are starting to do that. People tell me that these days you "need" a car if you live outside of Tokyo (e.g., Saitama, Chiba)
And even the most car-spoiled, fierce individualist American will eagerly give up driving and start using the trains in Tokyo.
And that was with a regular train (no funny shit with the wheels, just a long straight railway)
Well, the train was not quite 'regular'. Some modifications were made to the train, including increased power output, bigger wheels and longer gearing, modified pantographs and some aerodynamic mods.
I'm quite astonished that noone seems to mention, that a German consortium is building a Maglev train in China (Shanghai Airport -- City) and that there will be two Transrapid routes in Germany, one in Munich (Airport -- City) and one in the Ruhrregion between Dortmund and Duesseldorf. Shanghai should be ready in less than a year and the two German routes should be ready for the Soccer World Championship in 2006.
You can find more info on the website of Transrapid in English or German.
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that's a pretty shallow analysis of japan.
first of all, japan already has tons of cars and you'd be hardpressed to fit any more of them on the highway. at the end of golden week, my boss spent over 12 hours travelling the final 100km into tokyo. i think that the incredible existing traffic jams and jumbled narrow streets have a lot more to do with the 'low' car ownership in japan (and i'd hardly call it low, at that) and the japanese prediliction for public transport than some hyperbolic 'lack-of-individuality'.
of course i've heard of companies in japan where everyone sings the company anthem, but that was when i lived abroad - it's something i haven't actually come across in contemporary japan. if you want to talk about corporate anthems, you might do well to look through the slashback archives to find the links to IBMs old songbook.
Looks like California High Speed Rail have decided to use the same blue-prints for the trains as used by the Eurostar. At least thats from looking at the photos.
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Yeah, I wrote a paper on this way back when. I don't recall the exact details but in a nutshell following WWII one of the heads of GM became secretary of transportation and used that position to remove subsidies for pub trans and instead used that money to build highways etc.
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The street car lines were part of that conspiracy as without the subsidies but with the mandated price caps they simply couldn't survive so they were bought up by bus companies who shut them down and replaced them with busses.
More and accurate details are contained in the URL below. (and yes this was part of the plot for Rodger Rabbit
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The Swiss are currently working on underground maglev trains that would run in tunnels under partial vacuum.
Some interesting ideas are the tunnels do not follow the curvature of the earth (so it is downhill out of every station and uphill into every station) and the motors are in the track rather than the trains.
I don't know about driving them into the sea, but in Birmingham, AL, they ran them into the ground. In the early 1900's, Birmingham had a cable car system like San Fransisco's. It was bought and intentionally bankrupted by, IIRC, an auto manufacturing company. Since then, city mass transit has consisted only of poorly routed buses, the suburbs have stretched over twenty miles to the south and east of town, and ground level ozone has become part of the local weather forecast.
The best effort at improving Birmingham's mass transit has been from a coalition of downtown business owners who have funded their own city-independent bus system to encourage people to shop downtown. It is superior to the city's system in every aspect.
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The Japanese made a couple of mistakes however. First their track switching technology is cumbersome. They literally move concrete barriers around to shove the train onto another track. Secondly, they didn't design their magnets correctly and so have had problems maintaining them. Those problems aside, the Japanese have done a first rate implementation job.
The Germans, in an attempt to circumvent the Powell and Danby patents and cut costs, chose a conventional electromagnet approach for their maglev solution. Powell and Danby had considered eletromagnets and rejected them due to inherent limitations. First, electromagnets aren't anywhere as strong as superconducting magnets so the gap between vehicle and track is much smaller. Secondly, a power loss would be catastrophic. Thirdly, the way the Germans have approached maglev using magnets to attract each other, requires active controls. The intra-magnet gap has to be maintained to very close tolerances otherwise the train gets pulled into the track or falls away from the track if it veers too far. The tolerance problem will be especially acute in seismically active locations like China and California where tracks will drift slightly on a daily basis.
Powell and Danby have kept working at maglev despite paltry American support. Their website describes several design changes to their original idea. They've designed all electronic switching equipment that makes dynamic track switching feasible. That's advantagous on a heavily traveled track that's being shared by express and local trains. They've also re-arranged their track to a monorail cum flatbed design to support dynamic switching.
Their website describes a variety of uses for maglev. Among them is a trans-continental vacuum tube that enables coast to coast travel in under an hour. The vacuum is necessary because as the train speed increases, the majority of power that's required to move the train is spent moving air out of the way. An evacuated tube makes it possible to move a train across the continent using the equivalent of 20 gallons of gas.
One hundred and fifty years ago, Lincoln authorized the construction of a transcontinental railroad. At the time, it was considered technologically impossible given the chasms and mountains that had to be crossed. Lincoln initiated the transcontinental railroad in the middle of the civil war. Part of his motivation was to demonstrate that though engaged in war, the United States was great enough to concurrently tackle a monumental engineering task.
Fifty years later, we built the Panama Canal, another technological impossibility. Finally 50 years ago, Eisenhower authorized the interstate highway system and the St. Lawrence Seaway.
Fifty years have passed since this country last undertook a major infrastructure challenge. Whether our generation steps up to the plate and makes a significant contribution to the infrastructure as our parents, grandparents and great-grandparents have done remains to be seen.
Train quality varies across Europe. In the UK, it's pretty poor, with a recent increase in accidents linked to badly managed privatisation and a company called Railtrack who stopped investments in the basic maintenance required for a safe service. But then the trains here have been going downhill for a long time here generally, particularly in comparison to the rest of Europe.
All across continental Europe, you'd be right to compliment the trains. France, Italy, Switzerland, the Czech Republic and Slovakia have perfectly good systems in my experience (sorry about the random selection - I don't normally travel by train and there's a lot of Europe I haven't been to anyway), although Romania is a bit ropey.
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Subsidizing the railroad infrastructure makes just about as much sense as subsidizing the road and highway infrastructure (probably more sense in fact), something every single government does without even thinking.
If the US government had invested 0.001% of what it spends on roads into railroads, you might have a few of those fast trains between NYC and DC, Miami-Orlando, Dallas-Houston, SF-LA.... The whole US economy would have been more efficient as a result. That's what reasonable people call sound investment.
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