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Mister B writes: "In an end-run around the South African government's plans to seize control of the .za domain, administrator Mike Lawrie took pre-emptive action and moved the primary .za zone file offshore. Revealing their naivete, parliamentary committee chairman Nkenke Kekana accused him of destabilising the net! Then again, the opposition think he's a hero. :-) More details on MSNBC."
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DYING GRANDMOTHER RAPED IN HOSPITAL TOILET
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Fri Jun 14 2003
A grandmother receiving cancer treatment on a hospital ward was raped in a toilet cubicle, police disclosed today.
The 71-year-old was pushed to the floor and attacked in a toilet at King's College Hospital in Denmark Hill, south London, said a spokesman for the Metropolitan Police. The victim has only months to live and kept her ordeal secret for three weeks before telling a hospital doctor, according to The Sun.
She kept silent because she felt ashamed and did not want her family to know what had happened, the report said.
The married grandmother, who lives in the south of England outside London, has returned home since the attack on April 30.
Detective Inspector Martin Ward, of Streatham CID, said: "This was a most serious offence on a vulnerable pensioner and all our efforts are directed to catching this man before he strikes again."
A Metropolitan Police spokesman added: "There have been no arrests at this stage but inquiries are continuing.
"We are not releasing a description of the suspect at this stage as it may prejudice potential witness statements."
A spokesman for King's College Hospital said the attack happened on a locked ward, as all their wards are secured by keys or have an entry code door system.
The hospital also has CCTV cameras covering extensive areas.
She added: "The hospital is deeply saddened and we have extended our sympathies to the patient and her family.
"We are working closely with the police investigation."
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security through obscurity = modding down anti-linux posts so maybe noone will see them
hot grits or something
also
here is more text
to make lameness filter not bother me
I work as a consultant for several fortune 500 companies, and I think I can shed a little light on the climate of the open source community at the moment. I believe that part of the reason that open source based startups are failing left and right is not an issue of marketing as it's commonly believed but more of an issue of the underlying technology.
I know that that's a strong statement to make, but I have evidence to back it up! At one of the major corps(5000+ employees) that I consult for, we wanted to integrate Linux into our server pool. The allure of not having to pay any restrictive licensing fees was too great to ignore. I reccomended the installation of several boxes running the new 2.4.9 kernel, and my hopes were high that it would perform up to snuff with the Windows 2k boxes which were(and still are!) doing an AMAZING job at their respective tasks of serving HTTP requests, DNS, and fileserving.
I consider myself to be very technically inclined having programmed in VB for the last 8 years doing kernel level programming. I don't believe in C programming because contrary to popular belief, VB can go just as low level as C and the newest VB compiler generates code that's every bit as fast. I took it upon myself to configure the system from scratch and even used an optimised version of gcc 3.1 to increase the execution speed of the binaries. I integrated the 3 machines I had configured into the server pool, and I'd have to say the results were less than impressive... We all know that linux isn't even close to being ready for the desktop, but I had heard that it was supposed to perform decently as a "server" based operating system. The 3 machines all went into swap immediately, and it was obvious that they weren't going to be able to handle the load in this "enterprise" environment. After running for less than 24 hours, 2 of them had experienced kernel panics caused by Bind and Apache crashing! Granted, Apache is a volunteer based project written by weekend hackers in their spare time while Microsft's IIS has an actual professional full fledged development team devoted to it. Not to mention the fact that the Linux kernel itself lacks any support for any type of journaled filesystem, memory protection, SMP support, etc, but I thought that since Linux is based on such "old" technology that it would run with some level of stability. After several days of this type of behaviour, we decided to reinstall windows 2k on the boxes to make sure it wasn't a hardware problem that was causing things to go wrong. The machines instantly shaped up and were seamlessly reintegrated into the server pool with just one Win2K machine doing more work than all 3 of the Linux boxes.
Needless to say, I won't be reccomending Linux/FSF to anymore of my clients. I'm dissappointed that they won't be able to leverege the free cost of Linux to their advantage, but in this case I suppose the old adage stands true that, "you get what you pay for." I would have also liked to have access to the source code of the applications that we're running on our mission critical systems; however, from the looks of it, the Microsoft "shared source" program seems to offer all of the same freedoms as the GPL.
As things stand now, I can understand using Linux in academia to compile simple "Hello World" style programs and learn C programming, but I'm afraid that for anything more than a hobby OS, Windows 98/NT/2K are your only choices.
thank you.
C - A language that combines the speed of assembly with the ease of use of assembly.
Outsmarting anyone from South Africa for your own gain shouldn't be that difficult. It's the country where the "Rape babies to cure AIDS" plan came from.
Good to see the bureaucrats find out that they don't own the Internet. This is going to be interesting to watch as it continues to develop.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
South London is notorious for being full of niggers. Needless to say this was a race-oriented attack, but because the victim was white, it will not be reported as such.
Welcome to Planet of the Apes.
Um, shouldn't the government be in charge of the .za domain name? I mean who do you think should be? some random person who happens to have control at the moment?
Country codes are for countries, and decisions for the countries are made by their governments.
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
Who wants Africans?
That'll teach them, but how are we going to route packets to Lesotho? This country is completely surrounded by South Africa!
"It would amount to sabotage if he were to disrupt the Internet and he has to realize that he will be held responsible for any disruption," Kekana said.
Well then ! By the government's argument isn't he doing the right thing?
If it is his job to ensure the internet setup in ZA remains stable, and he believes it will make ZA unstable if the government reassigns his job to someone else without first ensuring that the government has the infrastructure to take on this job, then wouldn't it then be his responsibility to take steps to make sure the government could not carry out any destabilizing action?
Just carrying out his job, he is. No?
I wish the news articles on MSNBC weren't so skimpy. Where's the BBC when you need it? Are there any more clearly-written summaries of all this out there?
The sand people have internet?
A lot (if not all) internet businesses will depend on DNS working fine. And just 1 guy can bring it down? Why? How?
I wouldn't like to live in SA right now. He myght be a hero now, but he may become a non-hero whenever he likes. Also, he may die with some passwords unknown (recall the s. hacker contest for the library), or ran out of resources, etc.
It should be run by an independant goverment agency with stable staff and that directly depends on ICANN. Something like an independant Central Bank, but for hosts/domains.
unfinished: (adj.)
Geeks created the internet and Geeks should control it.
Computer Geeks tend not to be to concerned with politics they have a higher standard "Network Integratiy"
sorry for any typos Ive been drinking
http://Lenny.com
All I wanted was a nice, safe, monogomous relationship.
Of course in high school I was a simple guy, a bit different from the rest of
the people where I grew up. I had a direction and a purpose; where most kids
were interested in going to parties and getting drunk (and maybe a peek if they
were lucky), I wanted to study and make something of myself.
You know the kind. Poor white trash tring to make something of himself; the
kid in the corner with the glasses held together by tape, calculator in hand.
If this were an earlier age, he'd be trying to read the little black numbers
off the slipstick; maybe in the future it's a laptop with holograms projecting
out of it's surface.
Except that I never wore glasses. My parents told me that in order to get
along in this life you need to dress well and look good, and who gives a damn
about your brains. So I'm just shy of 6 feet tall and fairly well built; I
even play waterpolo when sufficiently drunk enough not to care. But my desire
was to be a professional, perhaps a systems analyst, with a nice wife and a
couple of kids. The dog in the front yard and the Volvo in the garage is
optional, of course.
When I was admitted into Pacific Tech, I was elated. All the hard study and
good grades allowed me into one of the toughest schools in the state. Yes, the
place had a 6 to 1 ratio male to female, but I was only there to study. As
soon as I figured out what I wanted to do with my life, and as soon as I
graduated to a successful job I would go about finding that nice woman who I
could marry and live happily ever after with. My life was progressing quite
nicely, thank you, and on the path I forordained for myself.
One of the first things that happens at PacTech (as we all knew the place) was
"Freshman Camp", a place where all the students went to learn about the honor
code and meet the various fraternities. It's generally a three day affair
which takes place in a small cove just south of Avon on Santa Catalina Island.
We all gathered in the middle of the student houses for the bus ride out. The
freshman class, about 200 students, brought their gear out and waited. Looking
around I found more than a sufficient supply of calculators hanging from nerdy
guy's belts to satisfy the computational requirement of any one of NASA's space
probes. I was glad for my parent's advice to keep care of myself and my
apperance; I certainly stood out from the crowd!
The busses arrived, and the great mass proceeded to stuff themselves in. Not
in any particular hurry I moved to the back of the second bus, and made myself
comfortable. As the bus packed, a rather pretty girl picked me out, and worked
her way to the back to join me.
She wore a rather tight leather miniskirt, a tank top, and a black leather
jacket; the exception to the rule of t-shirts and messed up hair. From this
vantage I saw a rather shapely ass and thighs dressed in black fish-net
stockings, and something inside of me awoke for the first time.
It wasn't like I hadn't ever seen a girl before. I had dated some in high
school. It just was, well, not in my plans for the future. I am a goal-
directed person; if it's towards my goal I am more agressive than most and
stubborn as a mule. If it isn't in the direction I want to go, however,
nothing can cause it to capture my interest.
But something about the way she breathed was impressive. Her shape, her long
flaming red hair, the smell of her purfume; I couldn't move, couldn't think.
Something more primitive was trying to rest the controls of my life away from
me, and I wasn't too certain I should give in. When she asked if she could
join me, I stammered "uh, sure", and she giggled as she sat down and snuggled
up next to me. And my poor mind fried.
Scotty, beam me up! Circuit overload! Red alert! (And as a vision of me
rubbing her thighs, or letting my hand run itself up to the hair between her
legs.) She held my hand and asked if I was okay. I didn't know. The Volvo
was sinking fast.
We arrived some thirty minutes and three thousand years later at the dock where
our boat would be taking the freshman class out to the island. Gloria, still
holding my hand and chatting away about her family and her friends in high
school, was still snuggled up very close to me, and I was stiff. Holding hands
was safe, but something inside of me was telling me that it wasn't. The boat
arrived, we moved to there, and she sat herself on my lap, holding on to me as
the boat moved towards it's destination.
Actually the boat ride wasn't too bad; my mind having overloaded itself with
the possibility that there may be more to life than computers and a cosy
marriage in the distant future. I rubbed her back and told her about the place
where I grew up; she held on to me and told me about her house in Texas and how
the waters in the ocean were so warm that she'd go swimming nude in the
moonlight.
Once the boat arrived, we were seperated. The class seperated, was processed,
placed into their appropriate rooms or tents as the situation warranted, and
sent on our way to the lectures, meetings, and group talks which were supposed
to dominate our life for the next few days. Of course I was disappointed; for
the rest of the day through lunch and dinner I hoped to meet Gloria and hold
her hand, but of course (my rational part told me) my purpose at PacTech was to
study.
After dinner there was a "campfire". With two hundred people attending it's
rather hard to sit around a single fire and be cozy; and about an hour into
this listening to kids talk about their science fair experiments and how they
wanted to revolutionize Artificial Intelligence with the unique insight they
possessed, I quietly left.
Behind the campsite there is a hill called "Bible Peak." It is a hill about
two hundred feet up with a cross of wood at the top. It also possessed one of
the best views of the campsite and the ocean below. In full moonlight I made
the hour trek to the top of the hill, where I found a rock and sat still,
watching the white waves crash below.
While contemplating the stars and my future I heard a twig snap behind me.
Startled, I turned around. A dark figure worked it's way up the last 10 feet
of hill and sat itself beside me, moon at it's back. Without a word, it
started stroking my hair and face, relaxing me.
Gloria! I was happy to see her again, as I missed her company from the
morning bus trip. She stood over me, while stroking my hair, and started to
work herself out of her tank top.
I grabbed her hand. "Hang on," I said, "maybe we should talk. I've never done
this before. Can you just sit here and talk with me a while?"
"I'm sorry, I didn't know. Are you okay?"
"Uh, yeah. You just take my breath away. Sorry; I'm just new at this. Please
forgive me. God your beautiful." I was in overload; there were about a dozen
things I wanted to tell her but that was the best I could do.
She sat down next to me and held my hand, and we talked some more. She had an
interest in photography and I told her how beautiful the moon and ocean would
be captured on film. I told her about the stars where I was from and how if
you were patient you could make out the Milky Way. She asked me about my
lovers and I admitted there had been none; I was always interested in fufilling
my dreams, but I had to admit I wasn't certain what they were anymore. We
laughed, and when she went to kiss me on the cheek, it seemed natural to kiss
her on the lips.
She let her hands glide over my back and I held her and stroked her hair. She
shivered when I ran my fingernails down her back, and experimentally, I let my
fingers run lower and lower over her ass as well. I wispered in her ear,
asking if she was alright, and she responded by tumbling us both over onto the
grass, her on top.
She pinned me down with her hands on my elbows, and laughed. "I've got you
now. What should I do with you?" "Uh, whatever you wish; you've got me, after
all." To which, she started to unbutton my shirt and kissing my chest.
I worked her tank top off and started rubbing the skin underneath. Her nipples
felt hard against my bare chest, and she gasped quietly when I ran my fingers
over them. Perfectly shaped, she held one to my mouth and I started licking
it, first gently, then hard, pulling the enire nipple in with my mouth and
pressed around the tip with my toung.
Gloria picked her weight off of my hips and worked her way around to start
taking my pants off. I rotated towards her on my side and started rubbing her
thighs. Allowing my hands to work their way up her tight miniskirt, I found
her pubic hair wet, though then I had no idea why.
After working my pants off of me, she licked my stiff cock and started sucking
hard. What fragments of my mind that survived up until then had been blown,
with the smell of her long red hair and her firm ass in my hands, my hard
cock in her mouth and part ways down her throat.
She asked me then if I wanted to make love. I said yes, but I didn't know how.
"Don't worry; let me do the driving." She unfastened her skirt and let it drop
to the ground, and sat herself on me, slowly working me inside. Holding my
wrists to the ground, she rocked her hips back and forth until I was all the
way in, and rythmically she brought herself up and down.
I was breathless. Gloria smiled at me and shuddered, getting tighter and
tighter around me with each pass. She rocked for several minutes, and then
with some effort pushed herself upright, brushing her hair upright and allowing
me full view of her glorious chest. I reached up and grabbed one, then the
other, and circled her tits with the tips of my fingers, spiralling from the
outside to the nipples. It seemed forever she rocked on top of me, both of us
moaning and not carring who found us there, until I exploded, and for a moment
her face shined in something more than moonlight.
I asked her "Why me?" at some point during our lovemaking, and she laughed,
saying "Your cute, and I liked the way you tried to cover your shyness on the
boat ride over." After our lovemaking I held her in my arms and ran my fingers
down her back. By this time it must have been midnight; the moon now low over
the hills, and she snuggled close, spoon fashion; this time for warmth.
My hands fell on her stomach, and I drew circles around her bellybutton and
across the top of her pubic hair. Turned on by this I bit the back of her neck
softly, and ran my fingers up and down from her chest to her crotch. Her back
arched, pressing her ass against my now stiffened member. Grabbing it, I
pushed it forwards and in, brushing her clit with my fingers in the process.
"May I drive this time?"
She arched her back even more, reaching around and grabbing my ass to help me
in deeper. I held her, one arm around her stomach, and the other arm propping
her head up and holding her close. We rocked, I driving myself even deeper and
deeper as she moaned. I was sure we must have been heard, but I really didn't
care; the only thing that mattered was this sexy girl in my arms, and driving
her as wild as I could.
She broke out in a cold sweat all of a sudden, and I felt a wetness down below
that wasn't from me. She then gasped, and her grip on my ass tightened as I
exploded again, clamping down on my teeth to keep from yelling at the top of my
lungs.
We met every night on that trip; each time in a different location near the
campsite. She taught me the fundamentals of sex, her shapely body infinitely
adaptable to all of about a dozen different positions. And as we sailed back
to the mainland back to school proper we held each other at the front of the
boat, her arm around my waist and on my ass, and my arm around her body, hand
inside of her leather jacket.
It's been almost seven years since my introduction to the mysteries. Gloria
is now married and living somewhere on the east coast; I haven't seen her in
years. I now live alone in a one bedroom apartment in Pasadena; somehow the
thought of a house with a wife and kids, Volvo and dog in the yard just doesn't
appeal to me the same way as it did before. It's not a goal the way it was for
me before; now it's just something that I might like to have someday.
I have had quite a few lovers since that night; I've even been in a few
manage-a-tois. With each lover I have learned something different about sex
and making love; with each person sex is different but always wonderful. But
for me, the first time was special, a time that I shall remember always.
OMG BIG PENIS ATE MY SOUP
Sorry, but the .za domain -should- be in the hands of the South African government... and not under the fully control of an individual citizen who could go off the deep end at any moment. Or get hit by a bus.
So the keys are hidden. What if he DOES get hit by a bus in the next week? THEN what happens???? This is NOT a good situation.
With government ownership and control, the South African government can be responsible for the success or failure of the domain.
The people and institutions in South Africa may thank him for his efforts and may want him to continue to be involved in the domain. However, few of those same people support his tactics.
My friend says there is a lot of black people in Africa
OMG BIG PENIS ATE MY SOUP
Yes, but what gives him the right? The elected government of south africa should be able to control the .za domain as a matter of course.
.za.
If this person wants to change the way the government handles the way the domain is used, he should lobby them that way. Just taking the zone files out of the country isn't going to do anything.
Btw, all south africa needs to do to get around this guy would be to get the root name servers to point somewhere else for
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
Today's Friday where I live, so my slashdot persona is going to be in a more observational and theoretical mode.
I don't like the way ICANN presently works, but it seems a bit wrong for any government to decide it wants to usurp something independent that lots of others have devoted so much hard work and effort towards, just because it's successful. (On the other hand, I know this happens all the time.) I also don't have a whole lot of respect for the current South African government.
The ideal way for a government to deal with something like this in theory would be to set up its own DNS system in competition that's administered by the government under its own terms. Then it would try to convince people and ISP's, both in SA and everywhere else, to use it instead of the ICANN-authorised one. The biggest problem with doing this is that it could turn out to be risky if not completely impractical. There will probably always be people who will never allow anything other than ICANN to reach their users.
There have been lots of attempts at alternative DNS's set up against ICANN, but most haven't been incredibly successful scale-wise. Most of them haven't had a major organisation or government behind them, though. With the extra resources available though, is it technically feasible that a country could do something like set up an alternative DNS that people would trust if it chose to?
Downhill ever since. They will join the rest of the hapless African countries in a few years. The whole continent is going down the toilet, and nobody left to flush
Anyone else get that sweet 'we have the way out' banner?
You suck almost as much as Michael, and that's going some.
--->
"Mike Lawrie is the administrator of the domain name and he has a responsibility to ensure that the Internet is stable.
"It would amount to sabotage if he were to disrupt the Internet and he has to realize that he will be held responsible for any disruption," Kekana said.
Can you believe this? FUD at it's best. Social Engineering 101.
lets see it please
Subject: CO.ZA Poll - Urgent Response Required
.ZA domain by a
. html
c ookie=q ITkCae_892078522
Dear CO.ZA Registrant,
You are receiving this e-mail because you are the listed Registrant for
one or more CO.ZA domains.
The Department of Communications has introduced the Electronic
Communications and Transactions (ECT) bill into Parliament. The original
bill essentially called for the take over of the
government controlled entity.
Due to substantial opposition against Chapter X, the Parliamentary
Portfolio Committee on Communications formulated a revised chapter X.
The revised chapter can be found at
http://co.za/ect/chapterX-2002-06-07.html
UniForum SA has prepared a commentary at
http://co.za/ect/chapterX-comments-2002-06-07
Please take this opportunity to record your opinion of Chapter X. UniForum
SA has not formulated a final opinion on the revised Chapter X, and we
will seek guidance from the results of this poll before proceeding.
We urge you to participate in this poll by following this link:
https://secure.coza.net.za/ect/index.php?q
Please note that this link can only be used once.
It is essential for you to express your views and comments, so that
UniForum SA can make an informed decision. We thank you in advance for
your participation in this poll.
Full details regarding the ECT bill are available at http://co.za/ect.
Kind regards
UniForum SA,
The CO.ZA team.
Please Note: This e-mail has only been sent to the e-mail address listed
in line 2l of the 'whois' data available at http://co.za/whois.shtml
All I wanted wuz uh nice, safe, monogomous relationship.
." She unfastened her skirt an' let it drop
Of course in high skoo I wuz uh simple guy, uh bit different from da rest o'
da peeps where I grew up. I had uh direction an' uh purpose; where most kids
wuz interested in going ta parties an' getting fucked-up (and maybe uh peek if deywuz lucky), I wanted ta study an' make somethin' o' myself.
You know da kind. Poor whitey trash tring ta make somethin' o' himself; da
kid in da corner wiff da glasses held together by tape, calculator in hand.
If dis here wuz an earlier age, he'd be trying ta read da little negroid numbers
off da slipstick; maybe in da future it'suh laptop wiff holograms projecting
out o' it'ssurface.
Except dat I never wore glasses. My parents told me dat in order ta git
along in dis here life ya need ta dress well an' peep pimp-tight, an' who gives uh damn about yo' brains. So I'm just shy o' 6 feet tall an' fairly well built; I
even play waterpolo when sufficiently fucked-up enough not ta care. But muh ma fuckin desire wuz ta be uh professional, perhaps uh systems analyst, wiff uh nice wife an' uh couple o' kids. The dog in da front yard an' da Volvo in da garage iz
optional, o' course.
When I wuz admitted into Pacific Tech, I wuz elated. All da hard study an'
pimp-tight grades allowed me into one o' da toughest schools in da state. Yes, da
place had uh 6 ta 1 ratio male ta beotch, but I wuz only dere ta study. As
soon as I figured out what I wanted ta do wiff muh ma fuckin life, an' as soon as I
graduated ta uh successful job I would jet about finding dat nice biotch who I
could marry an' live happily ever afta wiff. My life wuz progressing quite
nicely, thank ya, an' on da path I forordained fo' myself.
One o' da first things dat happens at PacTech (as we's all knew da place) wuz
"Freshman Camp", uh place where all da students jet ta learn about da honor
code an' meet da various fraternities. It'sgenerally uh three day affair
which takes place in uh small cove just south o' Avon on Santa Catalina Island.
We all gathered in da middle o' da student houses fo' da bus ride out. The
freshman class, about 200 students, brought they gear out an' waited. Looking
around I found mo' than uh sufficient supply o' calculators hanging from nerdy
guy'sbelts ta satisfy da computational requirement o' any one o' NASA'sspace
probes. I wuz glad fo' muh ma fuckin parent'sadvice ta keep care o' myself an' muh ma fuckin apperance; I certainly stood out from da crowd!
The busses arrived, an' da great mass proceeded ta sheeit themselves in. Not
in any particular hurry I moved ta da back o' da second bus, an' made myself
comfortable. As da bus packed, uh rather fine ass ho picked me out, an' worked
her way ta da back ta join me.
She wore uh rather tight leather miniskirt, uh tank top, an' uh negroid leather
jacket; da exception ta da rule o' t-shirts an' messed up fro. From dis here
vantage I seen uh rather shapely ass an' thighs dressed in negroid fish-net
stockings, an' somethin' inside o' me awoke fo' da first tyme.
It wasn't like I hadn't ever seen uh ho 'bfoe. I had dated some in high
skoo. It just wuz, well, not in muh ma fuckin plans fo' da future. I be uh goal-
directed person; if it'stowards muh ma fuckin goal I be mo' agressive than most an' stubborn as uh mule. If it ain't in da direction I wants ta jet, however,
nuttin' can cause it ta capture muh ma fuckin interest.
But somethin' about da way she breathed wuz impressive. Her shape, her long
flaming red fro, da smell o' her purfume; I couldn't move, couldn't th'o't.
Something mo' primitive wuz trying ta rest da controls o' muh ma fuckin life away from me, an' I wasn't too certain I should give in. When she asked if she could
join me, I stammered "uh, sure", an' she giggled as she sat down an' snuggled
up next ta me. And muh ma fuckin poor mind fried.
Scotty, beam me up! Circuit overload! Red alert! (And as uh vision o' me
rubbing her thighs, or letting muh ma fuckin hand run itself up ta da fro between her legs.) She held muh ma fuckin hand an' asked if I wuz okay. I didn't know. The Volvo wuz sinking fast.
We arrived some thiddy minutes an' three thousand years later at da dock where
our boat would be taking da freshman class out ta da island. Gloria, still
holding muh ma fuckin hand an' chatting away about her family an' her niggas in high skoo, wuz still snuggled up very close ta me, an' I wuz stiff. Holding hands
wuz safe, but somethin' inside o' me wuz telling me dat it wasn't. The boat
arrived, we's moved ta dere, an' she sat herself on muh ma fuckin lap, holding on ta me as da boat moved towards it'sdestination.
Actually da boat ride wasn't too bad; muh ma fuckin mind havin' overloaded itself wiff da possibility dat dere may be mo' ta life than computers an' uh cosy
marriage in da distant future. I rubbed her back an' told her about da place
where I grew up; she held on ta me an' told me about her crib in Texas an' how
da waters in da ocean wuz so warm dat she'd jet swimming nude in da
moonlight.
Once da boat arrived, we's wuz seperated. The class seperated, wuz processed,
placed into they appropriate rooms or tents as da shit warranted, an'
sent on our way ta da lectures, meetings, an' group talks which wuz supposed
ta dominate our life fo' da next few days. Of course I wuz disappointed; fo'
da rest o' da day through lunch an' dinner I hoped ta meet Gloria an' hold
her hand, but o' course (my rational part told me) muh ma fuckin purpose at PacTech wuz ta study.
After dinner dere wuz uh "campfire". With two hundred peeps attending it's
rather hard ta sit around uh single fire an' be cozy; an' about an hour into
dis here listening ta kids jive about they science fair experiments an' how dey
wanted ta revolutionize Artificial Intelligence wiff da unique insight dey
possessed, I quietly left.
Behind da campsite dere iz uh hill called "Bible Peak." It iz uh hill about
two hundred feet up wiff uh cross o' wood at da top. It also possessed one o'
da bomb views o' da campsite an' da ocean below. In full moonlight I made
da hour trek ta da top o' da hill, where I found uh rock an' sat still,
watching da whitey waves crash below.
While contemplating da stars an' muh ma fuckin future I heard uh twig snap behind me. Startled, I turned around. A dark figure worked it'sway up da last 10 feet o' hill an' sat itself beside me, moon at it'sback. Without uh werd, it
started stroking muh ma fuckin fro an' face, relaxing me.
Gloria! I wuz happy ta see her ag'in, as I missed her company from da
morning bus trip. She stood over me, while stroking muh ma fuckin fro, an' started ta werk herself out o' her tank top.
I grabbed her hand. "Hang on," I said, "maybe we's should jive. I've never done
dis here 'bfoe. Can ya just sit here an' jive wiff me uh while?"
"I'm sorry, I didn't know. Are ya okay?"
"Uh, jaa. You just take muh ma fuckin breath away. Sorry; I'm just new at dis here. Please forgive me. God yo' fine." I wuz in overload; dere wuz about uh dozen things I wanted ta tell her but dat wuz da bomb I could do.
She sat down next ta me an' held muh ma fuckin hand, an' we's talked some mo'. She had an interest in photography an' I told her how fine da moon an' ocean would be captured on film. I told her about da stars where I wuz from an' how if
ya wuz patient ya could make out da Milky Way. She asked me about muh ma fuckin lovers an' I admitted dere had been none; I wuz always interested in fufilling muh ma fuckin dreams, but I had ta admit I wasn't certain what dey wuz anymo'. We laughed, an' when she jet ta kiss me on da cheek, it seemed natural ta kiss her on da lips.
She let her hands glide over muh ma fuckin back an' I held her an' stroked her fro. She shivered when I ran muh ma fuckin fingernails down her back, an' experimentally, I let muh ma fuckin fingers run lower an' lower over her ass as well. I wispered in her ear, asking if she wuz aight, an' she responded by tumbling us both over onto da grass, her on top.
She pinned me down wiff her hands on muh ma fuckin elbows, an' laughed. "I've got ya now. What should I do wiff ya?" "Uh, whatever ya wish; you've got me, afta
all." To which, she started ta unbutton muh ma fuckin shirt an' kissing muh ma fuckin chest.
I worked her tank top off an' started rubbing da skin underneath. Her nipples
felt hard against muh ma fuckin bare chest, an' she gasped quietly when I ran muh ma fuckin fingers over dem. Perfectly shaped, she held one ta muh ma fuckin mouth an' I started licking it, first gently, then hard, pulling da enire nipple in wiff muh ma fuckin mouth an' pressed around da tip wiff muh ma fuckin toung.
Gloria picked her weight off o' muh ma fuckin hips an' worked her way around ta start taking muh ma fuckin pants off. I rotated towards her on muh ma fuckin side an' started rubbing her thighs. Allowing muh ma fuckin hands ta werk they way up her tight miniskirt, I found her pubic fro wet, though then I had nahh idea why.
After working muh ma fuckin pants off o' me, she licked muh ma fuckin stiff jimmy an' started sucking hard. What fragments o' muh ma fuckin mind dat survived up until then had been blown, wiff da smell o' her long red fro an' her firm ass in muh ma fuckin hands, muh ma fuckin hard jimmy in her mouth an' part ways down her throat.
She asked me then if I wanted ta make love. I said yeea , but I didn't know how.
"Don't worry; let me do da rollin'
ta da ground, an' sat herself on me, slowly working me inside. Holding muh ma fuckin wrists ta da ground, she rocked her hips back an' forth until I wuz all da
way in, an' rythmically she brought herself up an' down.
I wuz breathless. Gloria smiled at me an' shuddered, getting tighter an'
tighter around me wiff each pass. She rocked fo' several minutes, an' then
wiff some effort pushed herself upright, brushing her fro upright an' allowing
me full view o' her glorious chest. I reached up an' grabbed one, then da
other, an' circled her tits wiff da tips o' muh ma fuckin fingers, spiralling from da
outside ta da nipples. It seemed forever she rocked on top o' me, both o' us
moaning an' not carring who found us dere, until I exploded, an' fo' uh moment
her face shined in somethin' mo' than moonlight.
I asked her "Why me?" at some point during our lovemaking, an' she laughed,
saying "Your cute, an' I liked da way ya tried ta cover yo' shyness on da
boat ride over." After our lovemaking I held her in muh ma fuckin arms an' ran muh ma fuckin fingers down her back. By dis here tyme it mus' gots been midnight; da moon now low over da hills, an' she snuggled close, spoon fashion; dis here tyme fo' warmth.
My hands fell on her stomach, an' I drew circles around her bellybutton an'
across da top o' her pubic fro. Turned on by dis here I bit da back o' her neck
softly, an' ran muh ma fuckin fingers up an' down from her chest ta her crotch. Her back arched, pressing her ass against muh ma fuckin now stiffened member. Grabbing it, I pushed it forwards an' in, brushing her clit wiff muh ma fuckin fingers in da process. "May I cruize dis here tyme?"
She arched her back even mo', reaching around an' grabbing muh ma fuckin ass ta he`p me in deeper. I held her, one arm around her stomach, an' da other arm propping her head up an' holding her close. We rocked, I rollin' myself even deeper an' deeper as she moaned. I wuz sure we's mus' gots been heard, but I really didn't care; da only thin' dat mattered wuz dis here phat ho in muh ma fuckin arms, an' rollin' her as wild as I could.
She broke out in uh cold sweat all o' uh sudden, an' I felt uh wetness down below
dat wasn't from me. She then gasped, an' her grip on muh ma fuckin ass tightened as I exploded ag'in, clamping down on muh ma fuckin teeth ta keep from yelling at da top o' muh ma fuckin lungs.
We met every night on dat trip; each tyme in uh different location near da
campsite. She taught me da fundamentals o' sex, her shapely body infinitely
adaptable ta all o' about uh dozen different positions. And as we's sailed back
ta da mainland back ta skoo proper we's held each other at da front o' da
boat, her arm around muh ma fuckin waist an' on muh ma fuckin ass, an' muh ma fuckin arm around her body, hand inside o' her leather jacket.
It'sbeen almost seven years since muh ma fuckin introduction ta da mysteries. Gloria iz now married an' living somewhere on da east coast; I haven't seen her in
years. I now live alone in uh one bedroom apartment in Pasadena; somehow da
thought o' uh crib wiff uh wife an' kids, Volvo an' dog in da yard just don'
appeal ta me da same way as it did 'bfoe. It'snot uh goal da way it wuz fo'
me before; now it'sjust somethin' dat I might like ta gots someday.
I gots had quite uh few lovers since dat night; I've even been in uh few
manage-a-tois. With each lover I gots learned somethin' different about sex
an' making love; wiff each person sex iz different but always fly. But
fo' me, da first tyme wuz special, uh tyme dat I shall remember always.
Ya' know what I'm sayin'?
OMG BIG PENIS ATE MY SOUP
The U.S. government created the Internet in the first place, so shouldn't they have control. Unlike corporations that pass the cost of R and D on to an entire planet of consumers the American people bankrolled this whole thing, so their government should have the right to administer it. If another government wants utter control over their TLD, they should have to pay for it. Didn't the U.S. Gov. lay out some guidelines or rules for dealing with situations like this?
It's because they're just a bunch of fucking niggers.
WHITE POWER
If the government wants control so bad why don't they do what they normally would do and just kill the guy?
:-D
all they need to do is set up their own SA dns servers and flip ICANN the bird. most any country can set up their own DNS easily.
this is nothing but a power struggle. there is nothing noble being done by either side.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
its south africa
Well, .za is "offshore" for at least a week:
% dig za soa
...
;; ANSWER SECTION:
za. 1W IN SOA rain.psg.com. hostmaster.psg.com. (
etc
Curiously, psg.com is registered to Randy Bush, co-founder of ICANN and general DNS etc good-guy.
Yes. The USA invented the moon too. I mean, their flag is on it!
OK. Right now .za is effectively controlled, along with everything else, by ICANN. And the problem in this case is that ICANN see fit to delegate this responsibility to a particular individual.
.za, they should not be allowed to try. Why break something if it works?
That may be good, that may be bad. Actually in this case it is good, because this guy has done a great job for quite a while (and for free), while south africa has royally fscked things up in their own country quite a bit. Furthermore, this guy is a good guy. He has been asking for someone to take the job off his hands for a while. And south africa are being jerks. The fogeys in the gov't decided to make this man's actions illegal, by means of passing a law causing anyone who controlls state "stuff" to be a criminal.
But the above is irrelevant. ICANN shouldn't decide who controlls top level domain names! thats the job for governements. Or maybe the united nations!
Actually, it is ICANN's jobs. The United States of America created something called "ARPAnet", the departement of defense created a computer netowork in order to survive a nuclear attack. And then it blossomed into the internet, a very american and commercial enterprise. And so the gov't, and some other people, made ICANN.
now, ICANN has some 'issues', but they most certainly do their job. And it is most certainly their job. South africa, if they really care, can make their own internet. They can call it "ZANet," which is somewhat catchy. That would be the governemet's job.
However, until the gov't demonstrates that they can successfully administer
And finally, I get to what I am really ranting about. Geopolitical issues and the internet. I think that it is really stupid that any country should be able to control someone in another country because they can access their data. China and censorship. France and that nazi stuff they were trying to censor. Frankly, I think that if the stuff is hosted here, our laws apply. If someone starts a new country, lets call it "bastardlawsuitland," and then makes a law that slashdot is illegal, can they sue slashot because slashdot didn't make itself inaccessible to them in their country?
By the current laws, which admittedly are very very vague, the answer is yes. And that pisses me off to no end.
Oh, I have karma to burn, by the way. But I am pissed off and this is relevant.
Why map to country names in the first place? The packets will find their way.
-- Slashdot: When Public Access TV Says "No"
bleugh!
woohah
The discussion above seems to be centered on who should have control of the .za TLD when that isn't really the issue.
.za with no regard to the system that is already in place. Is that really appropriate? ICANN is in charge at this point whether we like it or not. Can we really support nations ignoring the system and doing their own thing?
I certainly don't have a problem with the South African government controlling the domain, but there is a procedure for them to get control. If they would go to ICANN and follow the procedure all would be happy.
Instead, they seem to be attempting to hijack the
The bottom line is that the South Africa government thinks that it is above the system. I suggest that they try the proper procedure for acquiring control of the domain. They should at the very least wait to get hostile until they have good reason to be (such as having their request for control rejected inappropriately).
Yeah, I'm probably wrong though.
Capitalism does not lead to corruption, lack of character does.
Now I have a chance to make money on that made-up holiday site, kwaan.za. Talk about pent-up demand.
When the Minister is told that he does not have enough money in his account, his response is this: "That can't be true, I still have lots of Cheques in my Cheque-book."
This is a true story.... Can't find the article online, but it was reported in the papers.
Now I ask you, if you have no idea of how a cheque account works, how the hell are you supposed to even come close to understanding the net.
Blows ones mind....
quick query for "za." (trailing dot to show that it is not a subdomain):
.za is further subdivied into other sub-.za domains before general use. So ICANN delegates .za to Mike's server, wherever it is, which then delegates the proper domains to other nameservers run by different groups; e.g. academia for .edu.za . So the government can't change the ICANN delegation or the delegation to the sub-.za level; if it wanted to take control, it would need to grab the admins of all the dozen sub-.za domains, which would be ugly and time-cosuming.
.za to a point where there really isn't much to target. Good job!
HEADER:
opcode = QUERY, id = 23556, rcode = NOERROR
header flags: reply, want recursion, recursion avail.
questions = 1, answers = 0, auth. records = 1, additional = 0
QUESTIONS:
za., type = A, class = 1
AUTHORITY RECORDS:
-> za.
type = SOA, class = 1, ttl = 10571, dlen = 47
nameserver = rain.psg.com.
mailaddress = hostmaster.psg.com.
serial number= 200206110, refresh = 21600, retry = 3600,
expire = 2592000, minimum = 86400.
Going to rain.psg.com show that this is a private webserver on a t1, apparently in the US; so this is the place where the zonefile is hosted.
BTW, the reason that the file is only 200 lines is that it is only a delegation - http://apies.frd.ac.za/uninet/zadomains.html shows that
So mike's original delegation distributed
And they only let their 'friends' get domains, everyone is has to pay by the nose. And also these domains are things that they like, and ofcourse they have all the right to cease and void any domain (not to mention arrest anyone) that violates their silly little rules. Dhiraagu is their crone, run by the facist/imperlistic Microsoftian C&W.
There, now you see what a gov owned TLD can do. I feel ZA would go the same was as MV. And no, I dont think a single person running it is a good idea either. Maybe it could go back to the universities (where ZA zones started) and be run by acadamics again instead of single man corporations spoon fed by ICANN?
Trust the source!
this whole mess has nothing to do with democracy. it's about governments and international agreed-upon standards. anyone in the world who looks up or will look up a .za domain will be effected by this, so it is an international issue.
democratic or not, the south african government is attempting to subvert international policy. they could be communists, scientoligists, or herpetics, but they have to play by the rules.
We take a page from B5, being geeks and all, and create an extra-governmental organization dedicated solely to the sanctity and security of the 'net.
:)
Considering the US fathered the net, it'll be comprised of mostly US geeks to start, but we'll include a large number of Japanese geeks just so we can get katanas and manage to horribly mangle ourselves while our comrades emit Homer-esque cries of, 'Doh!'. However, geeks of any nationality are welcome to join the organization.
If a country needs help with their 'net infrastructure, we will help them. If, however, they try to do something stupid, we'll know about it - and so will everyone else. We will offer aid and assistance only as long as the country requests it.
Our creed?
"I am an administrator. We write the dark scripts that no one else dares call. We hog system resources, and no user may compile. We live for the net, we die for the net!"
Okay, okay, I admit, I just really, really, really want a workstation in a self-healing bio-organic case.
Internet namespace, like many other activities, is an activity for civilized society to make intelligent decisions about. Governments sometimes get into power by being the most intelligent people in civil society, like Plato's hypothetical philosopher-kings, but they often get to power by being a bunch of violent corrupt thugs, or by being a more popular alternative group of people who led a popular revolution to overthrow a bunch of violent insane corrupt thugs, but that doesn't mean that either they have any skills for operating an internet or that they have any moral authority for doing so. And apparently they South African government has demonstrated that they don't have Clue 1 about how to run an Internet. It's simply not their skill set, and there's no reason for it to be their job.
Unlike non-country-code domains, where there's no obvious reason why there should be One Root To Rule Them All or why the US government should get to appoint the people to run it, country-code domains do have some obvious connection to the countries they're named after - but does that mean they should be run by the Post Office, or the One Phone Company, or by some internet standards committee (my preference), or by the Chamber of Commerce, or by the [Insert-Country-Name] National Geographic Society, or simply by the First-Come-First-Served rule? It's a hierarchical name space, and that inherently means somebody's in charge. Failing to define that up front, as the internet failed to do, leads to all this Root Wars nonsense, and it's not inherently fixable.
Bill Stewart
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In other news: the ZA government pushed for and had its desire to circumvent IP protection in the case of HIV drugs ruled constitutional. Entirely noble and for the benefit of people, right? Hmm, well, maybe not.
2. which consists of some 200 lines of code
3. apparently in the public domain and quite easily available
4. but currently controlled by an unpaid SA individual, Mike Lawrie,
5. who was authorized by ICANN to administer said domain,
6. who now wants to quit but refuses to hand it over without following ICANN's rules,
7. which expressly require the SA governments blessing on any transfer,
6. and this individual has maliciously "moved" this code "offshore" to protect it from the SA government.
SO fine, somebody copy the 200 lines of code and email them to everybody in the SA government. I mean, really, what does the 200 lines of code have to do with it?
It's the authority to assign names which is important, not a miniscule file containing the current structure, and the only entity which can assign that authority within the current structure is ICANN.
If the SA government want to actually "control" names with South Africa then they would have to "control" the DNS servers, of which they have none at the moment. I'm sure a dozen people have pointed out by now that if they really want to they can set up a DNS of their own, and if they convince their citizens to use that one then they "control" not only the .za domain but the entire world!
If, on the other hand, they want to play with ICANN's bat and ball and backyard, they're going to have to play by ICANN's rules. Those rules give them a voice in choosing administrators equal to ICANN's own, so they're not exactly groaning under the lash here.
Who is more accountable?
- the power grabbing government
- the file-hiding incumbent
Hard choice. I do not like either.
What we call folk wisdom is often no more than a kind of expedient stupidity.-Edward Abbey
And they tend to be as ungeeky as you can be. The academia used it. Some may be geeky but I can guarantee you that the Profs & researcher I know are far from being geeky or the "mad forgettful" scientific you see on TV or Cinema.
;).
Geek took it then over later, when both where looking eslewhere. Academia was then unhappy at seeing how geek transformed it in an available-for-all net. Militar may have been unhappy seeing it used by civilian, but were extremly happy to see the physical connection multiply, thus enhancing the original net.
Then come marketing type which take over everything, put their dirty hand in every corner adding ads, tooking the net from the hand of geek and then putting it back in the hand of firms for the exploitation of the resource and in the hand of Mr Joe Average for the Feeding of finished product.
And thus Everybody had at one time the net in their hand. And lost it, to ultimatly be handled not as a Strategic resource, not as a Research help, not as a Wild Wide Internet wioth the joy and thrill of discovery, but as a normal, run of the mill, media interractive product.
PS : I don't pretend that is 100% truth, only a way to present it
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...that a government (which should be an international organization even though that could be a nightmare) should only get involved in DNS administration if there is a problem with the current situation. Of course, you have to remember, these politicians probably think every .za site is actually located in South Africa, which - in that case - the domains *would* come under their jurisdiction. We all know, though, that many of the site are probably outside the country. My question - though - it who actually *owns* .za? ICANN? Aren't they prety much comtrolled by the US government?
I'm trying to understand what exactly this guy did... It looks like there are several nameservers for the .za domain.. So one of them must be a primary, and they do domain transfers for all the other ones listed here, right?.. Anyone know where all of these are located?
> root
Default Server: A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET
Address: 198.41.0.4
> southafrica.co.za
Server: A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET
Address: 198.41.0.4
Name: southafrica.co.za
Served by:
APIES.FRD.AC.za
137.214.80.1
za
AUTH00.NS.UU.NET
198.6.1.65
za
HIPPO.RU.AC.za
146.231.128.1
za
MUNNARI.OZ.AU
128.250.1.21
za
NS.RIPE.NET
193.0.0.193
za
RAIN.PSG.COM
147.28.0.34
za
UCTHPX.UCT.AC.za
137.158.128.1
za
NS-EXT.VIX.COM
204.152.184.64
za
FLAG.EP.NET
198.32.4.13
za
If that isn't the truth, these is no truth.
Old soldier having been at omaha beach get support on protesting against a reusage of metal ponton for something commercial, but people/yahoo can sell/auction nazis stuff on a ".fr" web site targeted to French people ?
And before you start the argument "punish" the buyer and not yahoo for some strange extraterritoriality reason, please the law punish both buyer and seller in that case, and second can I remind you of the case of the russian programmmer and Elmsoft ?
Either you accept all of the above, and you WILL get sooner or later your feeling hurt (What if a French started to sell rumble aprt of the WTC , and leftover jewelry from dead in the WTC ?), or you can accept that territoy want to make people respect their law for their citizen. And incase of transaction, there is alwqays a receiver and a giver which have to both respect the law.
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I assume you must be referring to the white racist monkeys who came up with the plan to deprive tens of millions of blacks of an education. Talk about reaping what you sow.
The North American Numbering Plan (NANP), which defines the structure of telephone numbers, and assigns area codes to regions, is not "owned" by any government. It is something like the DNS of the public telephone system. The NANP has been run by AT&T, Bellcore, and now Neustar.
Mea navis aericumbens anguillis abundat
If he gets hit by a bus the ICANN can probably transfer the ownership to another person.
.za domain goes down with him, for ever in the grave.
.be domain is lost in (cyber)space ...
It's not that one guy goes down the entire
Would be nice, a bomb hits our "dns.be" office, no owners anymore and our entire
--- I am known for the ones who want to find me on the net. Is that a privacy risk or a privilege? One might wonder..
Your reply isn't relevant. Please think about what you said and what was stated. I'm sure you'll agree you need to correct yourself.
The headline news said that Mike Lawrie hidden .za if he does not have his way. But a few minutes later
the keys abourd and will colaps
Mike Lawrie denices ever sending it. I think
the press put word in his mouth and that we need to wait until he has his say before we judge him.
Do not underestimate the power of the Dark side
Sanctimonious dick.
The South African chapter in their submission to the parliamentary portfolio committtee support the bill, but they also point out some massive shortcomings, including that Appointment of ALL board members by the Minister is a gross violation of democracy. All in all they make some excellent suggestions. The question is whether they will be listened to. (No, they won't.)
I think it suffices to say the government representatives tasked with formulating this bill are not very sophisticated individuals (I mean in as far as their knowledge of technology goes of course ;) ). That alone should be reason enough for them to stay the hell out of its management.
Yebo gogo to my fellow ZAnians :)
I'd actually give Microsoft more creedance that a split (of M$) would have a more adverse affect on the net. Not that I'd care, but the last time I went to a .za site was....
Come to think of it - Never!
Ok, fine I admit it, I'm an arrogant America-centric prick, but hey at least I'm not oblivious to that fact.
More to the point, why should this work out any different?
Xix.
"Everything is adjustable, provided you have the right tools"
Mike Lawrey's own story
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"Despite decades of social change, the general perception remains that technical workers, scientists, and engineers are unusually intelligent white men who are socially inept, absent-minded nerds."
I am always amazed at naivity of fellow geeks when it comes to politics. This whole saga about the <i>.za</i> is about global political manouvering. <br>
Not so long ago there was an <a href="http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/11
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I know Mr Lawrie is following this on slashdot. I wish to say to him why hasn't he used the aparatuses provided by <a href="http://www.icasa.org.za">ICASA</a> and there is <a href="http://www.sangonet.org.za">sangonet</ a>, I know they do understand and sympathise with your cause (they are part of a powerful lobby within the ruling party).
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To everyone who finds the SA gov actions deplorable; This is not the last such case we will see. Most governments are already questioning the legitimacy of ICANN to control a soveiregn country's domain space.<br>
Next up Fance, who knows?
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<b>What does a past HIV/AIDS discussion have anything to do with this issue?</b>
I am always amazed at naivity of fellow geeks when it comes to politics. This whole saga about the .za is about global political manouvering. .za domain control within SA. Obvoiusly, being politicians they will try to laverage power where ever they can. This is a point that Mike Lawrie missed. South Africa has regulatory and NGO bodies that have the power/resources to chalange unreasonable ministers and the bills they propose. Mr Lawrie did not use any of these bodies, he instead went off to the opposition party and asked them to fight off the gov. Now I read he's taken the .za offshore. Meanwhile, institutions that can bring sanity to this situation are left bemused by this action.
Not so long ago there was an post on here about the US government moving to control ICANN. My understanding of the situation is the SA gorvenment is preempting what they see as an attempt by the US to control the Internet. Their primary objective is to have the
I know Mr Lawrie is following this on slashdot. I wish to say to him why hasn't he used the aparatuses provided by ICASA and there is sangonet, I know they do understand and sympathise with your cause (they are part of a powerful lobby within the ruling party).
To everyone who finds the SA gov actions deplorable; This is not the last such case we will see. Most governments are already questioning the legitimacy of ICANN to control a soveiregn country's domain space.
What does a past HIV/AIDS discussion have anything to do with this issue?Next up Fance, who knows?
But they certainly do come up with some really funny idiocies.
And sometimes they do something right, like forcing greedy pharmaceutical companies to lower the prices of life-saving drugs.
i dont care who takes control, i like my dan@.za mail addy.
name one!
on the other hand, goverments change, politicians commit suicides, go to jail, lose elections, create sexual scandals, nations get hit by hurricanes, earthquakes, wars.
It is a matter of security. Administration should be given to the administrator. (what a coinsidence. did anyone noticed who administration and administrator look almost created for each other? poetry?)
And lay off the name calling. It may score you mod points but it really is juvinile.
.za file. My poit is that wether they do or no is entirely up to them. The government can't "seize control" if ICANN tells them they can't. Now I haven't seen a statement form ICANN one way or another, so I don't know what they intend.
.za domain and there is little the government can do about it other than challenge it in US court.
.za domain and then that is that. However there seems to be a misconception that the government can somehow usurp authority without ICANN's permission and that is simply not true.
I never claimed that ICANN couldn't or wouldn't accept the South African government's control of the
I am attempting to respond to those that think that the South African government can somehow just take control of the domain against ICANN's wishes (and many who seem to think that is a great thing). No, they can't. If they take over the domain and ICANN choses NOT to accept their authority, their only recourse would be:
1) To attempt to use physical force to make ICANN and the roots obey their wishes. Since most of the roots and ICANN itself are located in the US, this is not possable.
2) To attempt to use legal force to make ICANN obey their wishes. This could potentially work, the courts would hear the case at least.
3) To ignore ICANN and operate their own root level service.
Now again, this is all assuming that ICANN does indeed decide to deny the government's authority. If they say ok to the change over, that's the end of it.
However, the point of my post is to attempt to explain the nature of the whole DNS heirechary to the people that are under the mistaken impression that a government can simply "seize control" of a domain. They can't, ICANN can simply instruct the roots not to listen to them. As with all DNS information, it's based on trust. The roots trust ICANN, most DNS servers in the world trust the roots, the roots trust those that are approved to administer changes to a given domain. Thus, for most people, what ICANN says, goes.
About the only way this will get changed is if the US courts decide ICANN is doing something wrong and force a legal rememdy on them, or a large alternate root network comes to life and gets widely accepted.
Now I'm not trying to endorse ICANN or disparage them, i'm just telling you how it is. For now, they make the rules regarding DNS. They can, at their discression, decide wether to accept the South African government as the new administrator of the
Again, this is all dependant on what ICANN decides. They may well decide to allow the government to administer the
Next time, read a little more carefully and try not to resort to namecalling. It makes you sound like a little kid.
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A lot (if not all) internet businesses will depend on DNS working fine. And just 1 guy can bring it down? Why? How?
I'm getting rather offtopic, but it's not like the DNS is the most secure system in the world anyway.
There is a lot of bitterness amongst South Africa's whites left over from their loss of power after the NP government went down in '94. This is the background to many of these disagreements and attacks etc. The present government *has* done a lot of good for the impoverished black majority of the country, but there are definitely a lot of politicians who have little qualification for the posts they occupy (is this surprising? happens all over the world). I seriously doubt that John Ashcroft could explain the mechanisms of root servers etc even if pressed to do so.
.za file over to the US, because, according to news here on /. the US government itself is looking to take over control of ICANN. If the government had been willing to talk to the guy and more importantly, listen to him, it would have been better for all.
And here lies the problem. People who know what a zone file is or how it works (I myself only have a vague notion to be honest) are surely more fitting for the administration of the TLD. I very much doubt that the SA government would improve the administration in any way, but that's my opinion.
The same way many whites in SA are bitter about their loss of power and the apparent failings of the present government, there are many blacks in SA who are envious of the whites large percentage lead in tech jobs etc and therefore support the governments position on this one.
The answer, I think, lies somewhere in the middle. I think that Mr Lawrie has justified concern that some bureaucratic department setup to admin this thing will quite possibly make some royal technical desasters with it. On the other hand I understand the governments position that he should have consulted with them before moving the
Sadly, the SA government is no better at listening to individual people than any other government is.
So the question is really begging, but nobody really wants to answer it.
Who can we trust to administer the domain system?
A government, a group of governments, a group of individuals, or a corperation?
My gut response is none, all, some,and sometimes in no particular order
The internet was created on a trusted network achitecture.
That was great in the day when it was military and academic, but as the original architects feared, the net is not scaling well to a commercial and corperate environment.
Solutions?
Several I can see;
1.- Put it back in the hands of academia.
2.- Create a distributed user based system that is 'meta-moderated' something like the slash message system.
3.- Allow, or force a splinter into a sometimes compatible, sometimes not group of trans-internets that would sortof sometimes talk to each other in a fashion related to the way usenet works, and sometimes doesn't.
There's going to have to be medicine taken to fix these problems that have grown and grown, I'm just hopeful that whatever the medicine is, it doesn't kill the patient.
I think the SA governments ONLY misconception is that ICANN will necessarily listen to them. I believe it should, but there is no real requirement that it must.
All I know here is what I'm reading, so I may be way off, but I get the impression the SA gov is doing a rather lousy job of qualifying itself to administer the ccTLD (which decision, if I understand things aright, is basically ICANN's to make). Perhaps ICANN, when they get around to thinking 'bout this one, actually shouldn't redelegate to the SA gov, if this is the case...
"My strength is as the strength of ten men, for I am wired to the eyeballs on espresso."
Having just read the ccTLD admin's FAQ, it is clear that you need to read it too. It's quite informative. This guy ain't some power-mad geek, he's a responsible admin trying to do the job properly. He doesn't want to run the domain by himself. There is a process and model that have been defined by the local Internet community and the admin for an independent nonprofit corporation to administer the ccTLD with government *participation*, in line with the principles ICANN claims to follow and support. The sole issue there appears to be that the government wants *control* not *participation*, and they're willing to go to the wall for control. My reading of the matter is that the gov are being a buncha *** here.
"My strength is as the strength of ten men, for I am wired to the eyeballs on espresso."
I get your point 'bout the gov not trying to qualify as admin...
If I understand right, isn't the primary issue here one of control? from Mike's FAQ, it sounds like a) he is reasonably sane, competent, and responsible, b) he doesn't want to control the ccTLD himself anyway, and c) the primary issue is whether an independent section 21 company operates the domain with government and community participation, or the government controls the whole show and listens to whomever they please (or not), with the government presently trying to establish the latter situation by legal fiat. Am I missing something here?
"My strength is as the strength of ten men, for I am wired to the eyeballs on espresso."
He's right.
The U.S. gov did not create the internet. They started a defense network for schools/scientists (darpa). A great globbing mass of individuals created the internet out of that initial seed.
Incidentally, all the major fiber backbones in the USA were bankrolled by the gov too. After it was completed and ready to use, they told everyone the "Information Superhighway" was ready to go. Anyone remember that from the early 90's?
Yes, I'm American...WHOOSH(ducks motolov cocktail)...and given the way non-americans tend to bash us for petty crap, it's abvious your all suffering from envy. Go put your energy into something usefull, and stop leaching off our network then.
`Begging the question' has a specific meaning: it refers to assuming something in your attempt to demonstrate it.
So what you described wasn't begging the question as such; however, I agree that it was indeed flagrantly avoiding the question!
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So I take it that you're from the US?
In case you didn't notice, the US taxes its people to get money, which it then mostly wastes on paying interest. Anyway, using you're logic, the American citizens should own the Internet since they paid for it. Also using your logic, Marconi (or Nicolai Tesla, whichever you prefer) should be able to control everything that is on the radio because he invented radio.
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Karma: Meh (Mostly from meh.)
Nope, no more than I can control what's on the Internet. The point is everyone would agree that these guys and the people who financed them should be reimbursed for their time, effort, and contributions. This is what patents and stock market/free economy is for. I believe Tesla should have been able to license his technology (for a limited time of course) to competitors, inventors, and entrepreneurs to make his and his investors money back. The same applies to the U.S people. The U.S government using it's citizen's taxpayer dollars created the Internet and if another country wants complete control over their TLD, they should have to pay some sort of fee.
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