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Kernel Summit Wrapup
Jonathan Corbet at LWN has posted a terrific summary of the first Day of the Ottawa Kernel Summit, and you should expect the second day soon. In it he relates the greatest hits of the first day's talks, including the AMD Hammer Port, Block I/O, Modules, and more. For mp3s or oggs of this event, check out the Kernel Summit MP3 Repository on SourceForge. The big news is the desire to feature freeze 2.5 within 4 or 5 months. Halloween. I've posted a very small gallery of the group pictures from the summit on my site.
Foh Sucky sucky!
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Do the math.
Are the ones in Pop Secret's new Kettle Corn. Sweet and salty popcorn. It sounds odd, but it's strangely addictive!
Not Kernel Summit.
It's insane people actually get paid to run this site.
Linux Champion Makes Business Move
SuSE's Dirk Hohndell to Sell VASoftware Stock
by Robert MacMillen
PHOTOS © GARY VARNER
For Immediate Release
As a pioneer in the Linux community and close friend to Linus Torvalds, Dirk Hohndel is far from a chameleon . A respected hacker who began contributing to Linux eight weeks after Linus Torvalds first announced the project, he now makes his living as one of the top executives in Germany's largest Linux company, SuSE A.G. With his guidance and business saavy, SuSE has a future. This business acumen leads us to ask: Why are you selling off your holdings in VASoftware?
LAM: It is noted that you plan to sell your remaining 1000 shares in VASoftware in August of this year. What is motivating this?
DH: After analysis we feel that they're currently not a profitable entity. We have watched them in a familiar struggle. SuSE was in a similar situation, but we had a product for revenue generation. VA is offering a free resource and supplying the support. Unfortunately their target market does not need their branded support.
LAM: How will this impact your operations?
DH: We forsee no adverse impact to our operations. Internally, we manage our own software development with a more robust propietary system. Additioanlly, we are not dependent on an outside "source" to modify our "source".
LAM: Speaking of open source, what impact will this have on the Linux community?
DH: Since Eric Raymond left the VA board, there has been a lack of "civil conscious". The stigma that VA has carried to the Linux community was not eliminated after the name change. We are concerned that VA has not adequately distanced themselves and their business strategy from the beleagured Linux community.
LAM: What about the GNU/Linux debate frequently seen on the OSDN site Slashdot?
DH: That is a nonissue. Unfortunately this bickering has created a schism in the commercial Linux community. There are forums for this debate and discussion. Ironically, the founder and the man that gave genesis to the kernel has offered the least debate.
LAM: Do you feel that that these issues are related to the fiscal challenges faced by VAsoftware?
DH: Absolutely, and this cost them our confidence in their solvency.
LAM: So you basically weren't making any money from your investment?
DH: The bottom line is that we feel that VA is not a viable investment. Perhaps with the resignation of Larry there will be more focus on the future and earnings. Larry was a visionary and brilliant man, I will hate to see him go. Unfortunately he was unable to meet the bottom line.
Wow, when you look at that picture you can sorta see how alan cox could look like a normal maybe even stylish guy if he chopped off the beard and got a haircut. Sorry fella, bald dudes with long hair look very baaad. Get a john corzine hairdo, for a bald guy he had some good haircuts. And he had a beard. Ya you should get a john corzine make over. The AA meeting janitor look is kinda erm passe'. heh.
IS THIS TRUE???
June 24, 2002
VA Software Founder Resigns from Board
By Karol Kingsley
Larry Augustin, founder and former C.E.O of VA Software, Monday resigned from the company's board of directors, citing personal reasons.
Augustin founded the open source development company December of 1993 and served as its chief executive officer from the start through June 2002.
Augustin's idea to create a full-service development service with an easy-to-use Web site is inspirational, noted Ali Jenab, president and chief operating officer of VA Software.
"He was the catalyst behind a state-of-the-art software-management system, and fleet of custom advertising delivery sites that provide, efficient targeted online marketing and delivery venues," Jenab said. "Larry's vision remains the guiding force behind VA today."
"On behalf of all VA Software shareholders, employees and customers, I want to thank Larry for his foresight and the tremendous contributions he has made to our company. We wish him well in any future endeavors."
VA's board of directors presently is comprised of: Andre M. Boisvert Chairman, Sagent Technologies; Ram Gupta Executive Vice President, Products and Technology, PeopleSoft; Ali Jenab
President and Chief Operating Officer, VA Software; Douglas Leone Partner, Sequoia Capital; Robert M. Neumeister, Jr. Chief Financial Officer, Myriad Proteomics; Carl Redfield Senior Vice President, Manufacturing and Logistics, Cisco Systems; David B. Wright Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Legato
that makes Linux think it's a Yak.
All kidding aside, Linux kernel hackers should wash more.
I think these geeks with the carefully washed and brushed long hair like to dress up as ladies and prance around in their wife/moms undergarments when no one is home.
Either that or they think it's 1987 and they are gnarly def leperd band member...
Just because it was one of the first things on the article, might I mention that (having looked at other UN*Xes, where merele PIDs are stord there) I just *love* the linux /proc directory.
/proc/sys/kernel/lowlatency" or whatever?
Is there a cooler way to tune your system than "echo 1 >
my
Sorry, but this shows a paucity of imagination ("Rusty's smoking crack again"). Modules are useful because I don't have to rebuild the kernel constantly. I love not needing to care if I have to swap ethernet cards - tune
I also love the fact that distros no longer resemble the bad old days where there where a billion different boot images for installation, depending on which combination of hardware I happen to have. Anyone want to guess the QA costs to RedHat if modules went away?
Rusty's wrong, wrong, wrong.
anal cocks and linux trollwars and that italian fag should get they gay arse moving to release the fucking long awaited 2.4.19
i get horrid stiff penis thinking about how long 2.4.20 will take (probably xmas)
chrisd, slashdot editor extraordinaire, has just set his own site up for a slashdotting.
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Hey, kid... wanna touch my "kernel patch"?
-- Alan Cox
99.9999e9% male
Considering the number of things that are supposed to go in, including things that aren't really even started (beyond looking a bit at the issues) and things that are likely to be disruptive that haven't started to be merged, Halloween seems rather unrealistic. Of course, pushing off things that haven't been acceptably merged by then until 2.7 would probably make for the reduced-feature 2.6 that nobody wanted to commit to explicitly.
Personally, I like the idea of a 2.6 as soon as the big things which are partially merged are finished, with everything else put off until 2.7 and everyone who got their stuff into 2.6 responsible for making sure it's stable under wide testing. There are a number of big improvements already in 2.5, and cutting over to a stable release with those features would be nice. And maybe Marcello could be swindled into maintaining it because it's not _that_ different from 2.4...
have you pooped today? please reply if you have.
Or we'd have to wait 3 days :-)
I dont dislike debian btw.
"And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the World"
1 John 4:14
Will firewire ever work? This is getting embarrassing.
Email me and tell me what you think of widening!
you should expect the second day soon
Like maybe in 24 hours or so.....
Great Linux Site
I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.
I just saw the link on... Slashdot. Gee, these little side boxes are helpful sometimes. ;)
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Hey, kid... wanna touch my "kernel patch"?
-- Alan Cox
Please, please, just stop. Linux is not worth investing any more time in. It's just a redo of what's already in BSD, except done worse. We should be investing time improving BSD, not linux. Linux has been a colossal waste of reimplementation and ignoring the roots of Unix.
What I especially want to see:
* ACLs!
* All journalling file systems merged (XFS, JFS, ext3, ReiserFS)
* No more VM stability issues
Anyone know if we can expect that?
On a side note, what are the four FSs above best suited for? I know ReiserFS is really good at working with lots of small files and XFS is excellent at data streaming. Anyone care to add more details?
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If you think big enough, you'll never have to do it.
is going to be Dec. 31 2002, Linus is just giving himself a two month cushion to stop all that developer momentum.
You see that whole back row? The uber-dorks have matured!
as of those group pictures, I officially resign from the technology sector as a whole
Nice group photo! Those guys couldn't even get laid by their own right hand.
--I'm not a coder, just a joe average enthusiast and user.
THANKS FOR ALL YOUR WORK!
Can anyone pick out the virgin in this crowd.
When will the ability to run a .class file from a command line be part of the kernel? That is what I care about.
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
For those of you who might be wondering, the small PC that Alan Cox is shown as using in the photo is an IBM PC110. ;)
It's a full x86 PC, not a PocketPC or PDA - and what's really amazing is it was put on the market in 1995.
I own three of the things... in 2000, the last stocks were sold for ridiculously low prices (compared to the price when it was originally sold, anyway), and I happened to have some cash in my pocket. At least they're small enough to not annoy my wife
Anybody wanting to buy one should be able to find one on ebay fairly cheaply.
so then, someone care to annotate this image with the names?
. sh tml?Kernel02/convs/12x10_dscn4027.jpg
http://images.dibona.com/pictures/showpic/index
Ok, I'm a debian user/admin, I user it on all my machines, but this is just plain retarted. The kernel of your O.S. distribution violates your policies? Change your policies then.. or take the rod out of your ass.
it's funny how whenever you start to vehemently say 'for the people,' under weird beauracracy it can easily turn into 'we know what the people need better then they do' *sigh*
I'd have a better alternative. Why not make the vendor configure the drivers for your hardware and have the kernel people extend the menuconfig so that you can load a "drivers config set" without altering all other options that you chose?
Then, they hardware vendor could provide an util to autodetec what kernel version you are using and tada. You could even make a "Wizard" (hehe) that you mama could use.
That should take care. Of course, the unsolvable problem is not this one, but the cases where some companies don't want to provide the sources. It's not Linux fault.
unfinished: (adj.)
For a second there, I was scared when I saw those pictures. Then I realized they were Halloween costumes.
They are Halloween costumes, right?
-bugg
(Linus speaking): moving this (binary drivers with which Stallman / deb take issue) into user space is a sign of mental disorder .... we are clear from a copyright standpoint ... linux has intentionally taken a non-rabid standpoint ... as I've shown with my use of bitkeeper I don't care about black and white people.
[issues about firmware && binary modules]
(Alan Cox?) The kernel developers do not have energy to sit down and determine a clear set of rules ... Debian has an endless supply of people who have nothing better to do than study legal issues....
[Linus points out that actual GPL violating files get addressed in ca 24 hr timeframe]
The conclusion was to send a message back to the Debian users to "put up or shut up"
I'm sure RMS will have a press release out later this week.
Linux is Linux, if One need clarify their dist: <Dist>/GNU Linux
bsds are of course just BSD
WOW! As a long time computer nerd professiionally and personally I have realized one thing. AFTER LOOKING AT THOSE GUYS IN THE PICTURE I AM ONE OF THE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE! And WTF? there is only girl there? Jeez... Even ROB married a cutie. Puto
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
Is it just me or does Alan Cox look like he just got released from the county jail after doing 18 months for driving drunk on his harley.
Whats the deal with the ogg file sizes being like 50%+ bigger than the mp3 sizes? I thought ogg was better compression? Even if its using better quality, seems like a waste... oh well, ill listen to the mp3s
does anyone else here look at pictures like the ones on dibona's site there and have the correct gut response of "what a bunch of LOSERS?"
the kernel developers can't even put together a normal outfit, let alone a serious threat to microsoft.
if you are so far divorced from the real world and actual users, how can you hope to produce something useful for them? hello! earth calling kernel weirdos!
holy bejesus. judging by their outward appearance, you'd think these guys still name their variables "foo" and "bar" and their structs "dentry" and "qstr". oh wait... they do. they probably think that the c preprocessor is a great thing. sure! lots of underscores too, I bet.
pee yew.
I thought *BSD was dead?
The group picture shows primarily whites with some Asians and Indians. Were there no people of African origin involved with this summit?
If you need text styles to communicate then you don't have a message.
jumped my guns. looking at my quality 0 oggs of voice, they average 64 Kbps. (The kernel summit mp3 files are 32 Kbps.)
If you need text styles to communicate then you don't have a message.
Noooooo! Nooooooooo! Oh noooo!
This is why I have to reboot WinDOS, because they don't unitialize stuff, you have to reboot in order for new config to become active. They are not able to uninitialize actual config, initialize new config (remember, you had to reboot when you changed IP!!!)
It's easier, but.... whenever we update a kernel module we'll have to reboot.
Please don;t get rid of usefull code.
Thanks
It's called sysctl.
If the kernel had a good modukle system (which i believe 2.6 is going to have) then modules are also good for.
Installing an updated driver with less bugs, security holes.
Installing an updated driver with more features (e.g. they make NTFS WR+ not just R)
You can get binaries of modules(this is called a comprimise!)
And bet of all the if you plug in a USB device etc.. and you don't have a driver, a daemon could go an find it on the net and download/install it for you!
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
Bsd code belongs to NOBODY (see Darwin). Linux code belongs to us. All hail the GPL :)
Sweetie, they do. Really. I'm coding windoze apps for my employer on Linux. Debian, to be precise. And listening to music. And the system is stable. Which is more than I can expect of Windows.
I see only males on the group photos ... is the penguin machist or what ?
How about next time you specify that it is the *linux* kernel, there is more than one kernel, you know.
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If any of you tried ip-chains or played around with NAT both under Linux then you know what I am talking about. Routing sucks bigtime compared to other unixes. I would like to setup NAT for 2 way address translation and a more readable scripts like ipf under *bsd but linux doesn't support it. In Windows2k you only click "enable internet connection sharing". Anyway I am not a hacker so I am only requesting it and would be nice to have. Also the new feature being discussed for 2.5x that is having outdated modules remain loaded in memory is a bad idea. This would make rebooting necessary when the system is full of garbage like WindowsNT. I also hope they fix the VM. Even the newer one is exhibiting some problems from what I heard. Especially on non intel platforms like the alpha.
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Whats wrong with you poeple you sound like those bullies in the school play-grownd "ahahaaa he got long hair he looks like a girl" (or something). So dumb and ignorant!
Here on slashdot most of the stories are about linux and technologies ect.. and your more interessted in poeple with long hair that what they do, since its for your (maybe no due to your attitude *cough*XP?**). Just seriously are you wanting to mesure your dick and put the results online too?
Just remmeber that your ignorant befor posting next time, maybe think once.
He is absolutely NOT calling for module genocide. He is stating that the way modules load, and especially UNLOAD, is wildy inconsitent.
He is asking for module loading to be a one-way proposition, insmod without rmmod. At least, and I'm sure Linus is thinking this too, until it bugs someone enough to implement one of the other two options Rusty gave.
Before I part with'em: two pennies weigh ~4.996+/-0.014g, have a zinc core, and the face of Lincoln. You can keep 'em.
As it happens I have a couple of posts today about the what goes on in the OS market, so I'll just link Exchange on nt 3.1? & lessons for OSS and (long) Is Linux Dead. And yes, the market will hand irrelevancy to systems which don't adapt. If GPL does not adapt it will follow the same path, and by my read it has:
Beyond all that, free is not just GPL. FSF used to distribute X11 from the X-Consortium at ~$150 / tape Sometime later RMS decided the X11 license was 'bad'. Today, (perhaps with Debian/Hurd as his ace in the hole?) RMS is trying to push Linux to a strict (activist?) interpretation of GPL.
When I look a the history I think Stallman for all his principles exhibits pragmatism in his actions which is so often attributed to Linus. Linus made it clear long ago that he was not going to give FSF/Deb the blank cheque that many GPL developers do licensing under "gpl-current or whatever later version"
I daresay Linus drew a line in the sand saying "2.0 and no later version of GPL", and I bet if he hadn't we'd be looking at GPL-V3 today.
To be clear I'm not trying to knock either approach. I happen to have a bit more sympathy for Linus's views but that doesn't invalidate the strengths and accrued benefits of other approaches.
Linux is Linux, if One need clarify their dist: <Dist>/GNU Linux
bsds are of course just BSD