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Comparison Of Google to Teoma

randomErr writes "SearchEngineWatch.com was compared the good and the bad of both engine. They wrote the cool thing about Teoma is that its community-seeking behavior is both query-specific, and happens in real time. Whenever you type in a query, we're actually looking for the communities after you type the query. Teoma's approach differs from Google's, which uses a similar, but more static ranking system. It's also unlike the approach taken by Northern Light that classify web pages based on pre-defined categories."

151 comments

  1. Here's my evaluation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Google rules. Teoma sucks.

    But, seriously, Google has all sorts of features (cache, newsgroups, api, etc, etc) that Teoma doesn't. It's not just the size of your index, it's how you let people use it. There's a reason Google is my (and many other people's) start page.

    1. Re:Here's my evaluation by thehappygit · · Score: 1

      And google's page is refreshingly simple w/o ads or extra garbage.

  2. Google and Authorities by jcast · · Score: 1

    I generally find Google is good enough for finding official sites. Maybe I just don't enter sufficiently obscure searches...

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  3. Google Labs by Nept · · Score: 5, Informative

    How many people know about google labs? It's got a lot of other cool stuff like sets, voice search, and my favorite, the keyboard shortcuts :)

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    1. Re:Google Labs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh wow, keyboard shortcuts answers one of the biggest complaints I have with web browsing. Something I was going to try and develop myself, actually, but I was thinking something standardized that the browser interprets (for example a tag which defines what is "next" and links to it and you press a key corresponding to next)... though this is good if not better.

    2. Re:Google Labs by jesser · · Score: 1

      There is an HTML tag that defines what is the "next" page in a sequence, . Its proponents like to point out that it has been part of specs since HTML 2. Unfortunately, few sites use the tag. When the tag is not present, a browser could guess that a link with the text "next" was a link to the next page in a sequence, or it could guess that incrementing the last number in the url by 1 would go to the "next" page. (The increment bookmarklet uses the latter strategy and is very useful for surfing porn.)

      My opinion is that Mozilla should guess based on the number in the URL (32627) when the link tag is not present. Guessing based on link text may not internationalize well, and many sites allow users to post links with text of their choice. I have suggested the keyboard shortcut Alt++ for next (102909 #c17). Pressing space (usually pgdn) at the bottom of a page might also go to the next page (59118).

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    3. Re:Google Labs by rsborg · · Score: 1

      Hmmm... jee, maybe me, sincewe already covered it

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    4. Re:Google Labs by King+of+the+World · · Score: 1

      Mozilla | View | Show/Hide | Site Navigation Bar | ... will reveal an interface for next/previous buttons and such.

  4. Shameless Plugs suck by fizban · · Score: 1

    Whenever you type in a query, we're actually looking for the communities after you type the query.

    Oops, did you let that slip?

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    1. Re:Shameless Plugs suck by boa13 · · Score: 1

      "Whenever you type in a query, we're actually looking for the communities after you type the query."

      Oops, did you let that slip?

      No, he forgot the quotes, as you would have noticed if you had read the article. The sentence he failed to quote properly is by Paul Gardi, Teoma's Vice President of Search.

    2. Re:Shameless Plugs suck by hendridm · · Score: 1

      Perhaps, but is it any coincidence that Teoma appears on Slashdot so much even though Slashdotters clearly prefer Google?

    3. Re:Shameless Plugs suck by hendridm · · Score: 1

      What's your point? I think far more Slashdotters like Google (the vast majority by my estimate) than use Mozilla. Mozilla is a great client, but we still have a helluva lot of IE users out there reading Slashdot, IMO.

      I use Mozilla. I use Google.
      IE sucks. Teoma doesn't have the features I use that Google does.

  5. google by crazney · · Score: 4, Funny

    google has two great things:

    a) pigeon rank
    b) linux

    Teoma has:

    a) no animal employement
    b) windows.

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    1. Re:google by bilbobuggins · · Score: 2

      wait, are you talking about what makes them better search engines or better /. stories?

    2. Re:google by _generica · · Score: 2, Insightful

      how is this funny?
      damn moderators on crack

    3. Re:google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
      how is this funny? damn moderators on crack

      Ahh, finally some1 who sees my side of things! I have always known that the moderators are wasted, thats why my highest score is 0, and all my posts get marked either "Flamebait" or "Troll"

    4. Re:google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh, finally some1 who sees my side of things! I have always known that the moderators are wasted, thats why my highest score is 0, and all my posts get marked either "Flamebait" or "Troll"

      Or maybe it's because you're posting AC. Try posting something actually worthwhile using a real account and getting some karma.

      Then more people will read your next post and you'll earn more karma. Next thing you know you're turning karma tricks every day and you just can't stop!

    5. Re:google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correction....

      Teoma has:

      b) Teoma run linux/sun for the search technology. It is front-ended by windoze asp crap.

  6. buh-whah? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful


    SearchEngineWatch.com was compared the good and the bad of both engine. They wrote the cool thing about Teoma is that its community-seeking behavior is both query-specific, and happens in real time. Whenever you type in a query, we're actually looking for the communities after you type the query."

    This is some truly awful grammar and word choice, to the point where I can't figure out what the point is whatsoever. The whole first part of the paragraph seems poorly translated from some foreign space language. C'mon, slashdot editors... edit.

    1. Re:buh-whah? by MoThugz · · Score: 1

      Seriously... what did you expect from someone who uses the handle randomErr?

  7. Scientific Search Engine Test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Teoma
    Google

    Google had the first link to a troll "first post" as the six search item. Teoma didn't even have one on the first page.

    1. Re:Scientific Search Engine Test by tdelaney · · Score: 1

      Teoma slashdot+"first post"
      Google slashdot+"first post"

      If you want information in a particular domain, ask for it.

    2. Re:Scientific Search Engine Test by amonroy · · Score: 1

      also there are privacy issues in teoma, since it leads you to the final web site via a redirection through teoma

  8. Teoma's innovations won't benefit most by Sheetrock · · Score: 5, Insightful
    But as the article says, Teoma will probably never replace Google.

    In some ways, Teoma is more innovative. It's using an extension of an algorithm designed a few years ago by researchers, HITS, that actually goes beyond just searching an index based on a keyword into utilizing the idea of social networks to try to get you closer to what you want. However, this probably impacts search speeds, which I'm guessing is a lot of the reason why their searchspace is so much smaller than the ones used by more contemporary search engines like Yahoo! or Google.

    People don't really dig that far with search engines, and I think Teoma's features will be wasted because of this -- most people are just using it to look up the domain for an organization rather than exhaustively researching every page they can get their hands on.

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    1. Re:Teoma's innovations won't benefit most by Rose+Meir · · Score: 1

      I don't think it really has to be Google vs. Teoma, if they provide different services they both can be very successful.

      However, perhaps one of the reasons people don't dig that far with search engines is because search engines haven't been useful for that. Sure, sometimes I'm just looking for a page I know but I forgot the URL, but sometimes I use a search engine to learn about a new topic or find some information about something that I'm learning, and having relevant links sounds great.

      I suppose that the social networking nature of the information gathered by Teoma could be useful for social engineering as well. With fewer searches you could get a feel for the way people in a particular field/job think about things and how terms link up.

      -Rose

    2. Re:Teoma's innovations won't benefit most by PotPieMan · · Score: 1

      As opposed to PageRank?

      I'm sorry, but I fail to see any significant difference between Teoma's idea of a social network and Google's ranking system. It simply sounds like Teoma is exposing the concept of "communities" more than Google. The fact that Teoma dynamically calculates the number of votes for a given query might lead to more relevant search results, but I'm skeptical.

    3. Re:Teoma's innovations won't benefit most by Have+Blue · · Score: 2

      I disagree. Yes, most people are looking for something that may be "obvious", but what if you aren't? There are some things that every website on the planet doesn't mention.

      Even with Google your search results tend to get less and less relevant as you continue through the list you got back. If a search engine could somehow reverse that trend (say, a "remove pages like this one" button)...

    4. Re:Teoma's innovations won't benefit most by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "However, this probably impacts search speeds, which I'm guessing is a lot of the reason why their searchspace is so much smaller than the ones used by more contemporary search engines like Yahoo! or Google."

      As computers get faster and faster Teoma will be plenty fast. Google suck it! Your death awaits. Give teoma a break. It is new. Google is the old man here.

  9. scribled not writes by WillSeattle · · Score: 4, Funny

    writes "SearchEngineWatch.com was compared the good and the bad of both engine. They wrote the cool thing about Teoma is that its community-seeking behavior is both query-specific, and happens in real time. Whenever you type in a query, we're actually looking for the communities after you type the query. Teoma's approach differs from Google's, which uses a similar, but more static ranking system. It's also unlike the approach taken by Northern Light that classify web pages based on pre-defined categories

    In clear English, that would be:

    writes "SearchEngineWatch.com has compared good and bad aspects of multiple search engines. They wrote that the cool thing about Teoma is that its community-seeking behavior is both query-specific, and happens in real time. Whenever you type in a query, we actually look for the communities after you type the query in. Teoma's approach differs from Google's, which uses a similar, but more static ranking system. It's also different from the approach taken by Northern Light that classify web pages based on pre-defined categories."

    Sigh. Sure hope you're not writing any Open Source documentation ...

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    1. Re:scribled not writes by jcast · · Score: 1

      Sigh. Sure hope you're not writing any Open Source documentation ...

      I hope he is, as long as its free. Ungrammatical documentation is better than no documentation at all, and someone will fix it.
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      There are reasons why democracy does not work nearly as well as capitalism.
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    2. Re:scribled not writes by dubiousmike · · Score: 1

      Common guys. Don't be so tough on Hemos' proofing skills: blame nate. it's his fault.

    3. Re:scribled not writes by Popocatepetl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In clear English, that would be:

      I am a pedant.

    4. Re:scribled not writes by qslack · · Score: 2

      Actually, Hemos ran this story by CmdrTaco before he posted it. Malda edited the submission to make sure there were no mistakes. As you can see, he changed a lot. :)

    5. Re:scribled not writes by leiz · · Score: 1

      Hey, the guy's name is "random error", what do you expect ;)

    6. Re:scribled not writes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In most open source projects, the "documentation" is in the source code comments.

      Unfortunately, the source code almost never contains ANY comments.

      Check out the very popular ACE (Adaptive Communication Environment) libraries for a prime example.

      Great project, lousy source code readability.

    7. Re:scribled not writes by Buck2 · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean "scribbled"?

      neener-neener

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    8. Re:scribled not writes by alexburke · · Score: 1

      It's also different from the approach taken by Northern Light that classify web pages based on pre-defined categories.

      Don't you mean:
      It's also different from the approach taken by Northern Light that classifies web pages based on pre-defined categories.

      Scribled not writes indeed. ;)

    9. Re:scribled not writes by Simon+Garlick · · Score: 1

      WHAT YOU SAY !!

    10. Re:scribled not writes by davidsansome · · Score: 1

      All your base are belong to us!

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    11. Re:scribled not writes by vorovsky · · Score: 1

      Actually you ended a sentence with a prepositional phrase... who's with the bad grammar now?

    12. Re:scribled not writes by WillSeattle · · Score: 1

      Actually you ended a sentence with a prepositional phrase... who's with the bad grammar now?

      Don't you say nuttin bad about my grammer, she's dead.

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  10. Yabbut... by red_dragon · · Score: 1

    Sure, but does Teoma have doodles? And if it does, what'd they call them? Toodles?

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  11. Google rules because... by SoCalChris · · Score: 2, Funny

    Google groups (Newsgroups) and the page caching. The page caching has been great for all of those sites that keep getting /.ed. Also, finding Googlisms are fun. That is trying to find two words in the same search query that where the query only returns one result.

    1. Re:Google rules because... by echucker · · Score: 2, Informative

      Also, finding Googlisms are fun. That is trying to find two words in the same search query that where the query only returns one result.

      Swing and a miss. The term you're looking for is googlewhack. "oligotrophic" and "festering" is a good example, for one.

    2. Re:Google rules because... by jrothlis · · Score: 0

      Also, finding Googlisms are fun

      Weren't they called Googlewhacks?

    3. Re:Google rules because... by Steve+Hamlin · · Score: 1

      "oligotrophic" and "festering" is a good example, for one.

      Not after Google indexes your post :)

      First rule of Googlewhacking - never talk about your googlewhack.

  12. Edit! Dear God! by Wrexen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    SearchEngineWatch.com was compared the good and the bad of both engine.
    And so it begins

    They wrote the cool thing about Teoma is that its community-seeking behavior is both query-specific, and happens in real time.
    Quotes here anyone? Is this a quote? Are they summarizing? We'll never know

    Whenever you type in a query, we're actually looking for the communities after you type the query. Teoma's approach differs from Google's, which uses a similar, but more static ranking system.
    Google's approach or Teoma's approach??

    It's also unlike the approach taken by Northern Light that classify web pages based on pre-defined categories.
    Last time I checked, "the approach" was singular

    I'm not trying to be a troll or a grammar_nazi here, but is just a little proofreading too much to ask for? This write-up is nearing the 1.0 sentence-to-error ratio

    1. Re:Edit! Dear God! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      she classifies
      they classify

      now, what do you classify as?

  13. Either Teoma's reeeeally slow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



    ...or they've just been /.ed.

  14. "We're" by rjamestaylor · · Score: 1
    • Whenever you type in a query, we're actually looking for the communities after you type the query.
    "We're"? Is this a post submitted by a participant inside Teoma? Is this story an attempt to garner marketshare amongst Googling Geeks who read Slashdot? Was any payola given in consideration for front-page placement? Can rhetorical questions ever be answered?
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    1. Re:"We're" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No .... see an older thread or RTFA
      No .... see the same older thread or RTFA
      Yes.

  15. google searches lately by ozmodier · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Has Google changed something lately? My search returns have been getting worse and worse over the past few months.

    1. Re:google searches lately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Mine too. I reckon the spammers have begun cracking the relevancy algorithm. Look what happens when you google"search engine ranking optimization." The first link (after the paid placements and to the right of the text ads) tells the story.

    2. Re:google searches lately by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, it is worse.
      what changed is they succeeded in cataloging the whole damn web.
      which was a stupid idea.

      since +90% of the web is garbage, the result is that google is now for a lot of searches--ie. where you aren't searching for the phrase the page is named after.

  16. Teoma does not work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I typed in a computer query and 5th on the result list was someone from Entertainment Tonight.

  17. Search engines.... by josh+crawley · · Score: 2

    So Google's static but Teoma's a HeisenBUG. Now that's a sarch engine to (or not to) watch.

  18. Submission by fuerstma · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Google - easy to submit to.
    Temoa - PITA to submit to.

    Google wins.

    (not to mention the other goodies, such as Google owning Deja. All of a sudden I'm pitchin a tent in my roos)

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    1. Re:Submission by norwoodites · · Score: 1

      PITA is not a good way have having people use your search engine because ordinary people would like to submit other web sites they find interesting for other people.

      If paying a company to have you own site be included is one thing but paying for other sites to included is another. People other than owners of the sites like to have the largest database available to search for things, paying to be included would limit to what is payed for but not what is good.

    2. Re:Submission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Teoma also crawls the web, you flying nimbus head! My site got crawled and is in Teoma and I certainly have never paid. So it goes, on slashdot when you say incorrect thing you get modded up...

  19. Teoma may be realtime... by JanusFury · · Score: 1, Redundant

    But does it have pigeon power?

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  20. Google Might inlcude "community-seeking" in future by Discoteck · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here is a article on TechTV's site concerning Google's programming contest winner. Hey look I found the /. thread concerning the contest. I can't find the original thread, but I am sure someone out there started one.

    I would imagine that if they awarded this guy $10,000 plus expenses for his trip out to visit them, that they would have serious thoughts about adding this feature to their website.

    I wonder why Mr. Dan Egnor decided to release all his source code for this project under the GNU liscene when google is paying him all this money to essentially act as a consultant for them.

    I wonder how long it takes for the other search engines to integrate this source code into their engines. Is this Teoma Google's closest competitor? They have the Teoma search bar and their site seems to be reasonably fast.

    I certainly see no reason to switch.

    Oh and by the way the Google Toolbar has been updated apparently since (6/7/02) if you haven't downloaded it since then you might want to check it out again. I think they added some new buttons.

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  21. No, it's working fine by GuyMannDude · · Score: 4, Funny

    I typed in a computer query and 5th on the result list was someone from Entertainment Tonight.

    You too? I thought it was just me:

    query: whois failure
    result: John Tesh

    GMD

  22. Northern Lights search engine is interesting by mselmeci · · Score: 1

    I typed in the query "Where can I find some pr0n?"
    It responded with the single result, titled: "Even geeks deserve those really odd stocking fillers" and was actually about thinkgeek.
    Hmm.

    1. Re:Northern Lights search engine is interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Is it just me or does Northern Lights sound like a brand of cigarettes?

  23. In clear English, that would be: by oliverthered · · Score: 2


    Hey maybe he's foriegn,

    Maybe he's got better things to 'THINK' about than grammar.

    In clear English, that would be:
    Cheers for posting a reasonable ./ story.

    It's a good job he dosn't do Web pages

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    1. Re:In clear English, that would be: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      uh-huh.

      i can think of much better things to think about when I'm writing something for people to READ than whether it makes sense or not when they READ it.

      genius.

  24. Re:Google Might inlcude "community-seeking" in fut by GigsVT · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think they added some new buttons.

    OOOO, shiny.

    Seriously though, Opera integrates search bar functionality right in the browser, and if you want to try a different search engine with the same query, just pull down the menu and pick another. Google is the default though.

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  25. Self-serving results by rjamestaylor · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Teoma's results for "Google sucks" and "Teoma Sucks" Google's results:Notice, too, that Teoma is an ASP=based system. *PeeYew!*
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    1. Re:Self-serving results by jesser · · Score: 1

      I could say the same thing about Google. A google search for "search" returns Google and Yahoo (which uses Google) at the top.

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    2. Re:Self-serving results by rjamestaylor · · Score: 1

      They are ranked on popularity, so it makes sense.

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  26. bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i've got mod points...
    i dont mod down, but there's nothing worthy to mod up

    same old lame jokes and knee jerk comments.

    so for a limited time reply to this post & i'll mod you up

    cheers

  27. Relevance of results to search by Dr_LHA · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Type "Slashdot" Into Teoma, here's what I got:

    1. Article about Andover IPO
    2. Slashdot.net domain placeholder/squatter
    3. USGS article detailing the Slashdot effect on it's web site.

    ...and so on. Slashdot itself isn't even in the top 10. Unscientific I know - but the reason I use Google is that the most relevant like is almost always the top one (and certainly in the top 10).

    1. Re:Relevance of results to search by soboroff · · Score: 2

      If you just wanted to go to Slashdot, why not just type the hostname in your browser navbar?

      There is a big difference in navigational searching ("Take me to Slashdot") and informational searching ("I want to learn everything there is to know about Slashdot"). And it'a really hard to figure out which you want from a single query term. But you'll note that the Teoma results are much more on the "informational" slant.

    2. Re:Relevance of results to search by William+Tanksley · · Score: 2

      I disagree. Typing 'slashdot' in my browser bar is how I get here once I know the URL; until I know it, Google is _far_ more reliable, and utterly certain to not dump me onto a squatter site.

      Of course, I knew slashdot's URL before I ever used Google, but the point is still valid -- there are many other sites to be found that way.

      Google isn't the all-in-all, of course; but Teoma doesn't come close. I like using alltheweb when Google isn't enough.

      -Billy

  28. Teoma misses the obvious stuff... by EchoMirage · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Teoma misses the obvious stuff. Like "Slashdot," which does not bring one to slashdot.org within the first ten hits.

    Teoma's technology is cool, and I'm glad to see Google getting challenged - I think it will make Google a stronger search engine.

  29. #whois googlesucks.com by CmdrTaco+(troll) · · Score: 1, Funny

    Registrant:
    Google, Inc. (GOOGLESUCKS-DOM)
    2400 E. Bayshore Parkway
    Mountain View, CA 94043
    US

    Domain Name: GOOGLESUCKS.COM

    Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
    DNS Admin (DA17675-OR) dns-admin@GOOGLE.COM
    Google, Inc.
    2400 E. Bayshore Pkwy
    Mountain View , CA 94043
    US
    650-318-0200
    Fax- 650-618-1499

    Record expires on 15-Oct-2002.
    Record created on 15-Oct-1999.
    Database last updated on 25-Jun-2002 20:47:22 EDT.

    Domain servers in listed order:

    NS1.GOOGLE.COM 216.239.32.10
    NS2.GOOGLE.COM 216.239.34.10
    NS3.GOOGLE.COM 216.239.36.10
    NS4.GOOGLE.COM 216.239.38.10

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  30. The "Teoma Sucks" Test by kitzilla · · Score: 1

    Here's a fun test.

    Go to Google and search the phrase "Teoma Sucks." Count the hits.

    Now, go to Teoma and enter the same phrase. Count the hits. Who wins?

    If your search results were the same as mine, you'll be amused at the #1 site returned by Teoma.

    Enjoy.

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  31. Jeeves (Teoma) sucks. by stephanruby · · Score: 1
    Google rules.
    AskJeeves (Teoma) sucks.

    I'm sorry, but changing one's company name is not going to make a service any better.

  32. Refine Search!! They must be kidding by itsmarcos · · Score: 1
    Leaving aside caching, groups, images, answers, news, speed, etc. etc I would like to say this about Teomas Refine Search capabilities.

    Teoma is trying to urge users to use query expansion techniques for enriching their queries through the "Refine Search". Query expansion works well in Information Retrieval experiments. Problem is that users are too lazy to do all that clicking (an extra couple of clicks!).

    Google definetely has the technology to add some query reformulation and expansion. They just realised user laziness right from the start. That's what makes them so irresistable. Google users feel that they save time and make less effort to find stuff. A good study on this can be found in this article.

    Someone at Teoma should run a query on the Kiss Principle

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    1. Re:Refine Search!! They must be kidding by jcast · · Score: 1

      Re: KISS

      The second link in Google's results points to the Jargon File entry for KISS. That's why I love Google!

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  33. $30 fee to list in teoma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The $30 fee to listed in teoma/ask per year seems steep and ensures it has a smaller database, I like the google engine's price which is free. Its not like my website makes any money, but if it cost $30 to list on every engine, it would be just to costly. I would have to have a banner add, sell porn or something. The $20 to get moderated up on slash dot (non anonymous) seems silly too for a bbs. I guess since I have been out of work so long I have to count my pennies. I did get one offer at 50K in San Francisco, told them to shove it rather then take a 50% pay cut, and 50% increase in housing.

  34. its more of a CITH submission method by sh0rtie · · Score: 4, Interesting



    Teuma is not so much PITA (pain in the ass) to submit to
    but more of a CITH (cash in the hand) method of inclusion, meaning no cash = no listing

    basically charging people to fill Teuma's database for them,
    not a lot of difference from those awful search sites you find , you know ,when you happen to mispell a well known url and find yourself at a domain squatters site with popups and a search engine with "finance" and "loans" the most prominent links (as they are the most desperate they tend to pay the most) and when looking at the submission process it directs you offsite to a paypal https:// payment method paying some holdings company $29.99 in Guyana

    Teuma is doomed for failure as soon as the cash runs out, and seeing that its a joint venture of ask.com (who no-one uses willingly) and themselves , it just seems a re-branding exercise for ask.com and a chance to promote their lame marketing tactics

    1. Re:its more of a CITH submission method by wcbrown · · Score: 1

      I sure am glad that I submitted my URL to Teoma before it started charging and before it got purchased by Ask Jeeves, which strangely occurred at the same time.

  35. Congratulations by xihr · · Score: 1

    ... on perhaps the most incomprehensible Slashdot submission ever.

  36. LOL Yahoo, the best index from the 90's :) by Archfeld · · Score: 2

    I like my pages to have been updated in this century..Yahoo's index is SOOO outdated often the top ranked page will be from 1998..great search engine if you want outdated incorrect or just plain wrong information, or you only really want results from Yahoo premier partners :)

    Do you Yahoo ? I used to but my palms started getting hairy so I had to stop.

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  37. Teoma toolbar by jesser · · Score: 2, Informative
    Teoma now has a toolbar for IE/Win, similar to the Google Toolbar. Here is a quick comparison of the toolbars:

    The Teoma toolbar is missing a lot of features that the Google toolbar has.
    • Teoma's toolbar does not have a "Search Site" button.
    • Google adds "Google Search" to Internet Explorer's context menu for selected text. Teoma does not. (This feature is built into Mozilla, by the way.)
    • Shift+Enter doesn't open the search results in a new window like it does in the Google Toolbar.
    • Alt+Enter doesn't go straight to the first hit like it does in the Google Toolbar (I'm Feeling Lucky).
    • Alt+D (focus address bar) and Alt+G (focus Google toolbar) do not work while the Teoma toolbar has focus. Furthermore, CLICKING on the Google toolbar does not work when the Teoma toolbar has focus.
    It does, however, have Alt+S to focus the search field in the toolbar (Google uses Alt+G). This is good because the first thing you're going to do after focusing the search field is type a search phrase using the keyboard.

    The Teoma toolbar makes it easy to add and remove toolbar buttons. I like that.

    The "Email this page to a friend" feature is useless. It creates a message that advertises the Teoma search bar and almost hides the information you were trying to send. Unlike the "Send Page" feature in IE and Mozilla, Teoma only sends a link to the page (like IE's and Mozilla's "Send Link"), but it doesn't tell you this.

    Problems with BOTH toolbars:
    • Neither Google nor Teoma makes their toolbar Search button search for selected text. (Same with the search buttons built into IE and Mozilla.) You can drag the selection into the search textbox, but that's awkward.
    • Clicking search brings you to a page with a search box but does not focus the search box for you. In contrast, the front page for each search engine focuses the search box automatically, saving you a mouse click.
    • Pasted Japanese text comes out as a bunch of question marks, and clicking search actually searches for question marks (%3f).
    • The only version available is for Internet Explorer for Windows.
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    1. Re:Teoma toolbar by pseudogratixsignatus · · Score: 1
      Pasted Japanese text comes out as a bunch of question marks, and clicking search actually searches for question marks (%3f).


      Try setting your default Browser language to Japanese. If no luck, set your encoding to auto-select-> Auto-Japanese. Still not luck, download the Japanese version of the Google bar. http://google.co.jp

    2. Re:Teoma toolbar by pseudogratixsignatus · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, set Japanese as your language preference at Google.

    3. Re:Teoma toolbar by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > The only version available is for Internet Explorer for Windows.

      googlebar.mozdev.org

      Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to install properly on
      current versions of Mozilla, but it worked great with
      0.9.9, and I suppose the bitrot will be fixed eventually.

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    4. Re:Teoma toolbar by seanmeister · · Score: 1

      I'm using the googlebar with Moz 1.0 (build 2002053012) and it works just fine.

    5. Re:Teoma toolbar by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > I'm using the googlebar with Moz 1.0 (build 2002053012)
      > and it works just fine.

      I'm using a trunk build, and am unwilling to return to the
      1.0 branch because it lacks an enhancement that is very
      significant for me (namely, tabs close left-to-right).

      But the googlebar was nifty while I had it, and I imagine
      the bitrot will be cleared up at some point in the future.

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  38. Mozilla search plugin for Google Keys by jesser · · Score: 1

    Mycroft now has a Mozilla search plugin for the version of Google with keyboard shortcuts. And to be on topic, Mycroft also has a search plugin for Teoma.

    If you're using a new version of Mozilla (newer than 1.1alpha), you can press Ctrl+Shift+F to go to your chosen search engine. If you install and select the Google Keys search plugin it's easy to do an entire search using only the keyboard. You can press Ctrl+Shift+F, type your query, press enter, and then press '2' to go to the second hit or 'KLK' to go to the second adwords ad.

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  39. Cult of Scientology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lets just hope that Teoma can keep the cult of Scientology from taking advantage of their system. :P

  40. For the lazy... by URoRRuRRR · · Score: 1

    #1 return for "Teoma Sucks" on Teoma is baloney.com

    I actually don't mind Teoma, I think friendly competition is good for us all.

    --
    "Oh no, 3 horny women and only 2 condoms...Thank god I read slashdot"
    1. Re:For the lazy... by kitzilla · · Score: 1

      Actually, I ran an interest area of mine: waka (it's a form of short verse). Teoma offered me several waka hits, along with a nicely organized grouping of "Japanese Poetry." Helpful, that. The links were of very high quality.

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  41. Future slashdot article: by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2

    Slashdot crew buys OfficeXP

    After years of grammatical and spelling errors we decided to spend a fraction of our millions and buy some MS software. OpenOffice is great, but Hemos insisted on a grammar checker. Hey we still hate Microsoft. Really we do! Aww, this little dog assistant is sooo cute.

  42. Northern Light is no longer a search engine by Eric_Grimm · · Score: 1
    Northern Light has discontinued the indexing of 'Web pages. In other words, it is not really a "search engine" anymore. Now, it seeeks to compete with Lexis-Nexis and Dow Jones, as a pay-per article database of things that (mostly) were originally published in magazines and newspapers.


    So, technically, it is something of a non-sequitur to mention Northern Light in this posting.


    It is also worth mentioning that Northern Light has been sued by several thousand members of the national writers' union for ripping off freelance writers, and violating their copyrights on an industrial scale. Its lawyers filed a brief with the Supreme Court supporting the (losing) position of the New York Times in the NYT v. Tasini case, which was the case in which the Supreme Court ultimately re-affirmed the rights of freelance writers to be compensaqted fairly for their work.

    No stranger to irony, Northern Light Technology (now owned by Divine) has also hypocritically attempted to abuse its so-called "intellectual property" rights, as a sword and not as a shield, in an attempt to hijack the Internet Domain Name NorthernLights.com from its rightful owner (who owned NorthernLights.com almost a YEAR in advance of the launch of the now-defunct Northern Light "search engine"). "Northern Light," incidentally, is the name of an 1860 sailing vessel. The "search engine" was not named after the Aurora Borealis. Just because the CEO of Northern Light picked a really stupid name, and manufactured confusion because his brand name was knowingly proximate to a common dictionary word, certainly does not give him any more right to hijack his neighbor's address than the brand name "biznes (tm)" would give one the right to hijack "business.com" from its rightful owner.


    For more information about the hypocrisy of this company (which still continues to drag the trademark dispute through the courts, even though it has discontinued its "search engine"), see

  43. Self-reference? by Quixote · · Score: 3, Funny

    Search for the term "search engine" on Google, and Google is ranked first.
    Search for the term "search engine" on Teoma, and Teoma is ranked nowhere in the results! (On the first page, at least). Lycos ranks tops there.
    You decide.

  44. YOU are the product not the technology ! by sh0rtie · · Score: 3, Informative


    i went there and i wanted to see their privacy policy before i used the engine, but i had to actually use their search engine before able to see a link, this was after the site had tried to place 2 cookies on my system,
    one from teoma and one from a 1x1 gif webbug from askcm.com, after performing a search the webbug transmitted what i had searched for and a GUID to the askcm.com address as well in the form of a hash.
    nearly every way of tracking your behaviour has been implemented on their site.

    Of course it does finaly provide (after using) it mentions they will take if they can personally identifying info and they share it with 3rd partys (with permission) (yeah right like yahoo/hotmail did)

    On using Internet Explorers "privacy report" feature (which uses the webstandards w3c p3p privacy method) it came up as not supporting that either

    pretty un-professional if i cant view a privacy policy before using their service, isnt that what its for ?

    not that google is any different of course as it too doesnt support the w3c privacy standard and tries to set a cookie, but it doesnt use webbugs to thirdparty sites and set 2 cookies so i guess thats an improvement.

    Looking at the toolbar they offer i have to agree to the the same terms as their website!, which seems strange as they expect me to install software without a explanation of what its gonna do to my system (spyware anyone ?).

    Teoma (ask) is yet another classic venture of YOU are the product not the search engine so selling you to the highest bidder takes more importance than the technology ever will.

  45. Teoma gets my vote by superflippy · · Score: 1

    When I searched for my name, Teoma ranked my personal web site as the 3rd result. Google put my site 52nd on the same search. Clearly, Teoma likes me better.

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  46. Re:Here's my evaluation - search "Scientology" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I completely agree! Teoma is pretty crap... If you try doing a search on the term "scientology" in Teoma, the first anti $cientology site is number 29 in the list! Google rates that same anti-$cientology site as number 1 (or 2, depending on what day of the week you search...).

    Is this something to do with their community based searching? Or could it be one of those more sinister conspiracy theories about $cientology (either pro- in the case of Teoma, or anti- in the case of Google).

  47. Teoma Wins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I performed a simple, unbiased, search for m38a1.

    In Teoma, my site comes up in the "Resources Link collections from experts and enthusiasts". Cool!

    In Google, it comes in 9th. Humph.

    Obviously, Teoma is the *vastly* superior search engine.

  48. Teoma Sucks...here's why: by peterdaly · · Score: 2

    A search for "slashdot" returned slashdot.net as #3. Have you been there lately?

    It is a placeholder page (in german) for the domain from a registar.

    Yeah, that's crappy logic. I do have to say though, I read through the usgs page and it was interesting.

    -Pete

  49. Be nice if Teoma worked. by KhaliF · · Score: 1

    All I can say is that when you search for "Ulkarnis" on google, you actually get my site, ulkarnis.rpg.net.nz

    On Teoma, you get nowhere close, despite meta tag descriptors and keywords, page title, etc...

    I'll stick with Google.

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    HelpGeeks - don't bother visiting, it's not worth it! Really!
  50. Big deal, they track your searches... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what they count your searches.

    Are you in the US? Winder how pissed you would be to find out that the CRA's (Credit Reporting Agencies) are selling your SSN, Name, Address etc...

    http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s70600/menton1 .h tm

    What is even worse is that it is part of the LAW, that's right, the US Gubment requires the CRA's to maintain a database on you and allows them to sell not only your financial history, but your SSN and if you look closer, they also keep a list of your criminal convictions.

    You cannot opt-out of the CRA's database.

    And you are worried about a search engine logging your anonymous searches for porn.

  51. Googles anti-gun bias by duncan+bayne · · Score: 1

    Google has a strong anti-gun bias - see Google Refuses Business from Gun and Knife Advertisers for details.

    For me, that rules them out, despite the fact that I prefer the technical aspects of their service to those of any other search engine. If you want to know my position on such things, see my editorial on my homepage, titled Firearms And Self Defense for details.

    1. Re:Googles anti-gun bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good for google! More companies need to stand up to the gun lobby. Any coporation that has proper morals and can stand up to the irrational fear mongering and violent threats of the gun lobby has my FULL support.

    2. Re:Googles anti-gun bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      ...Wow, Google gets my vote! The lunatics with the guns can keep their money...

    3. Re:Googles anti-gun bias by mystran · · Score: 1
      I find myself weak. I find I like this Google policy. And yet it is "censorship".

      Still, in this particular case I can't find any good reasons to stand against google.

      Gun's are good for exactly one thing, that being hunting, which is for the most part deprecated activity.

      Self Defense ? What a sick society...

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    4. Re:Googles anti-gun bias by duncan+bayne · · Score: 1

      Self Defense ? What a sick society...

      I agree - there are many sick people (murders and rapists especially) in society, as well as the people who would prevent potential victims from defending themselves.

      I notice you didn't actually question any of the findings I reported in my editorial....

    5. Re:Googles anti-gun bias by mystran · · Score: 1
      ok, i was no clear in my point.

      I don't want to say that owning a gun is bad. I know people that own guns (legally) and there is nothing wrong with it. Guns are fun for sports, I agree.

      My feeling was basicly that Google is doing wrong thing by limiting free speech, but because I oppose guns for self defence I just didn't feel to bother myself.

      Now, I don't say that using guns as self defence means you have to shoot anybody. I just oppose the idea of even owning a gun with the idea to be able to defend oneself.

      I think I'd rather die than defend myself or anybody else with guns. I certain situations I could shoot someone for fun, but if I knew there was considerable risk that can be reduced by carrying a gun, I'd move to anoher part of world. Also, this doesn't mean I was afraid to defend someone, it just means that I find doing it with the threat of violence a sign of weakness.

      Everybody has the right to do what they feel, but Google banning gunsites isn't something I can opppose if I'm to keep my sanity, even if it was wrong..

      I just hope they'd find the fine line between "guns as sports"-sites vs. "guns as self defence"-sites if they want to ban the latter one.

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  52. Re:google searches lately (correction) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    oops, I meant "to the left of the text ads." Too much irony in that post for this bear of little brain.

  53. Google sucks lately by nebbian · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't know why, but just lately (in the past month or so), Google has gone completely nuts and won't show pages that it used to show. For example, my father has a site that's all about little historic stone statues, and you used to be able to do a search for "Venus Figures" on google and get his site. No longer! Even a search for the title of his site doesn't return his site. Even a search for the URL doesn't return his site anymore! It returns some pages with links to his site, but not his site! For my money, the balance of power of the web search engines is shifting. I now use teoma and www.alltheweb.com when I want to do a search, and then try google. If we can make a decent operating system, web server, proxy, etc open source, why can't we make a decent open source search engine? Surely the geekier members amongst us can figure something out... Ben

  54. teoma is ass by lo_fye · · Score: 1

    It doesn't give you what you're looking for right away -- it mixes it all in with advertised links and misc nonsense. If you want it 'your way, right away' Google will remain King of the Hill.

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  55. What about Altavista? by Daetrin · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Altavista has a very nice feature that was lacking in both google and and teoma last i checked. Altavista will search for _exactly_ what you typed in, caps, punctuation, and all.

    I can not even begin to count the number of crappy links google has tried to give me because it decided that some similar word was "close enough" to what i was searching for.

    That might be a useful feature for when i'm unsure of what i'm looking for, but most of the time i _know_ what i want to find, and i don't appreciate Google cluttering things up with other "likely" variants. Using the "exact phrase" in the advanced search option returns the same inexact search results.

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    1. Re:What about Altavista? by tunah · · Score: 2

      And a dot (.) matching anything. Impossible to search for files!

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  56. Human labor? by Mizery+De+Aria · · Score: 0

    Whenever you type in a query, we're actually looking for the communities after you type the query.

    You mean you people actually manually produce the results for us to see? For free? So quickly?
    Wow! Google charges for that service and it takes a day or two or longer for results.

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  57. Didn't your mother teach you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not to submit stories to /. in an attempt to get a free slashdoting. Self submited 'personal' sites are ok, but once you start doing it for cash, abusing the /. effect is *not cool*.

    Seriously, I don't think I'll ever even load your page now, it's disgusting that you would abuse the /. userbase like this.

  58. Better dept. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought this came from the "david-vs-goliath" dept.?

  59. Teoma gives me good placement by Animats · · Score: 2
    "Downside" and "Deathwatch" both bring up my site as #1 on both Teoma and Google.

    I do absolutely nothing to achieve that placement, other than trying to provide useful content and not putting ads all over the place.

  60. Northern Light is no more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unfortunately, Northern Light has apparently become a financial search engine geared at investors. At least when I go to northernlight.com, I don't get a regular search engine anymore, and normal queries produce no results. What happened?

  61. Teoma is not yet ready for MY use by burbilog · · Score: 1

    Try to search KX-TD290 (E1 card for KX-TD1232). 102 results from Google and ZERO from Teoma. Bye-bye, Teoma. Come back when you will find at least half of what Google finds.

  62. Teoma runs on M$! by tplayford · · Score: 0

    Another reason to dislike teoma, it runs on ASP!
    where as dear ol' Google runs Linux. :)

    Teoma will NEVER win.

  63. Re:Google sucks lately -- what is the website? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is the website?

    There may be an explanation.

    Post it, and someone could explain it.

    Cheers.

  64. Insider's scoop: Why BSD is dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The End of FreeBSD ed note in the following text former FreeBSD developerMike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD When I stood for election to theFreeBSD core team nearly two years ago many of you will recall that it was after a long seriesof debates during which I maintained that too much organisation too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project Today as I read the latest discussions onthe future of the FreeBSD project I see the same problem a few new faces and many of the oldgoing over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes Frankly Im sick of it FreeBSD used to be fun It used to be about doing things theright way It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane choresof programming for a living got you down It was something cool and exciting a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile Its not anymore Its about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones tellingothers what to do and doing what youre told Its about who can rant the longest or shout theloudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best Individuals notwithstanding the project as a whole has lost track of where its going and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics So Im leaving core I dont want to feel like I should be doing something about a project that has lost interest in havingsomething done for it I dont have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battleI have a life to live and a job to keep and I wont achieve any of the goals I personallyconsider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project Discussion Im sure that Ive offended some people already Im sure that by the time Im done here Illhave offended more If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make asincere effort to address the problems Im discussing here please do us the courtesy of playingyour politics openly From a technical perspective the project faces a set of challengesthat significantly outstrips our ability to deliver Some of the resources that we need toaddress these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since wemade the mistake of electing officers Others have left in disgust or been driven out by theculture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then More may well remain availableto recruitment but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach aresorely diminished Theres no simple solution to this For the project to move forwardone or the other of the warring philosophies must win out either the project returns to itslaidback roots and gets on with the work or it transforms into a superorganised engineeringproject and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what ultimately we all know we want Whatever path is chosen whatever balance is struck the choosing and the striking are theimportant parts The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sortof progress Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shotno matter how distended All I can reallyask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big pictureWhat is the ultimate goal here How can we get there with as little overhead as possibleHow would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers Shouts To theSlashdot BSD is dying crowd big deal Death is part of the cycle take a look at yoursoft pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment parts of you are dying SeeIts not so bad To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community atlarge keep your eyes on the real goals Its when you get distracted by the politickersthat they sideline you The tireless work that you perform keeping the system clean andbuilding is what provides the platform for the obsessives and the prima donnas to have theirmoments in the sun In the end we need you all in order to go forwards we must first avoidgoing backwards To the paranoid conspiracy theorists yes I work for Apple too No myresignation wasnt on Steves direct orders or in any way related to work Im doing may domay not do or indeed what was in the tea I had at lunchtime today Its about real problemsthat the project faces real problems that the project has brought upon itself You cantescape them by inventing excuses about outside influence the problem stems from within To the politically obsessed give it a break if you can No the project isnt a lemonadestand anymore but its not a worldspanning corporate juggernaut either and some of the moregrandiose visions going around are in need of a solid dose of reality Keep it simple stupid To the grandstanders the prima donnas and anyone that thinks that they can hold the projectto ransom for their own agenda give it a break if you can When the current core were electedwe took a conscious stand against vigorous sanctions and some of you have exploited thatA new core is going to have to decide whether to repeat this mistake or get tough I hope theylearn from our errors Future I started work on FreeBSD because it was funIf Im going to continue it has to be fun again There are things I still feel obligated todo and with any luck Ill find the time to meet those obligations However I dont feelan obligation to get involved in the political mess the project is in right now I tried Iburnt out I dont feel that my efforts were worthwhile So I wont be standing for electionI wont be shouting from the sidelines and I probably wont vote in the next round of ballots You could say Im packing up my toys Im not going home just yet but Im not going toplay unless you can work out how to make the project somewhere fun to be again

    -pwpbot

    1. Re:Insider's scoop: Why BSD is dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      F'off and be terrified you damned crapflooding BSD troll. May your balls fall off in a tragic conveyor belt accident. May you be tied to a chair for all eternity and watch your mother and father shag in front of you while having red hot pokers shoved up your ass. Begone foul 'BSD is dying' trolls!! Out! Out! I cast you out!!

  65. Google "rebuilding" index? by Seehund · · Score: 1

    I wonder if Google is responding to AllTheWeb's claim to have the largest nuber of indexed pages by refreshing/rebuilding their index?
    I'm wondering because the site in my .sig and all pages mentioning or linking to it are no longer to be found by Google. Gone. Vapourised. The cache is empty as well. This and this site used to be the first results listed when you searched for "amigaos petition distribution policies". Now see for yourselves what turns up (it's just 3 hits).

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  66. YHBT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Moderators, you have been trolled

    1. Re:YHBT by Daetrin · · Score: 1

      How is it a troll? I think it's relevant that both Google and Teoma are missing an important feature that is carried by a (nowdays overlooked) cempetitor.

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  67. What?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "SearchEngineWatch.com was compared the good and the bad of both engine."

    What the fuck does that mean?

    I mean, REALLY!

    WHAT THE FUCK?

  68. Try another engine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Google Sucks" on AlltheWeb returned 278 mathces - plus you can click on a category 'The Google Sucks Saga Continues'

    "Teoma Sucks" on AlltheWeb returned 10 resutls, not too popular - but can click on the category 'Google Kicks Ass, Teoma sucks'

    Guess size DOES matter occasionally. Plus, AlltheWeb is based on Free BSD- doesn't sell out like Teoma.

    And does Google have MP3's, software downloads, and catagorization? Didn't think so. But pity the person who actually suggests going to someone other than the Google goliath.

    1. Re:Try another engine by rjamestaylor · · Score: 1
      Yes, pity them.

      Google today is what Yahoo was in 1994--the, not a, way to find something on the web. When Google tommorrow becomes Yahoo today, there will be a new service that will dominate.

      [Don't tell me about WebCrawler as the way to find something in the early web days. It wasn't as important as Yahoo.]

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  69. Teoma pases my first test by Dark+Warrior · · Score: 1

    I entered:

    delphi "cd ripper"

    in Google and got 6 hits. Teoma gave me 55, and I feel like they were more useful. I like Google a lot, but I'm adding Teoma to my very short list of useful search engines.

  70. Google's my favourite too but... by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

    Hotbot's powersearch is still pretty damn good. I will probably use Teoma as well. I won't refuse to take advantage of the strengths of all of them.

  71. It's all in how you say it, trippingly by WillSeattle · · Score: 1

    No, that's a lengthy way of saying the same thing.

    Look, it's like Open Source docs - don't use a long expositional phrase to say the same thing you can say in a few well-chosen words.

    E.g. "The highly mobile and agile lupine, which was brown in fur coloration, cleanly vaulted over the slow and speed challenged canine." is worse than "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog."

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