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Comparison Of Google to Teoma
randomErr writes "SearchEngineWatch.com was compared the good and the bad of both engine. They wrote the cool thing about Teoma is that its community-seeking behavior is both query-specific, and happens in real time. Whenever you type in a query, we're actually looking for the communities after you type the query. Teoma's approach differs from Google's, which uses a similar, but more static ranking system. It's also unlike the approach taken by Northern Light that classify web pages based on pre-defined categories."
Google rules. Teoma sucks.
But, seriously, Google has all sorts of features (cache, newsgroups, api, etc, etc) that Teoma doesn't. It's not just the size of your index, it's how you let people use it. There's a reason Google is my (and many other people's) start page.
I generally find Google is good enough for finding official sites. Maybe I just don't enter sufficiently obscure searches...
There are reasons why democracy does not work nearly as well as capitalism.
-- David D. Friedman
How many people know about google labs? It's got a lot of other cool stuff like sets, voice search, and my favorite, the keyboard shortcuts :)
"Teachers leave us kids alone
Whenever you type in a query, we're actually looking for the communities after you type the query.
Oops, did you let that slip?
+1 Insightful, -1 Troll. What can I say, I'm an Insightful Troll.
google has two great things:
a) pigeon rank
b) linux
Teoma has:
a) no animal employement
b) windows.
stuff
SearchEngineWatch.com was compared the good and the bad of both engine. They wrote the cool thing about Teoma is that its community-seeking behavior is both query-specific, and happens in real time. Whenever you type in a query, we're actually looking for the communities after you type the query."
This is some truly awful grammar and word choice, to the point where I can't figure out what the point is whatsoever. The whole first part of the paragraph seems poorly translated from some foreign space language. C'mon, slashdot editors... edit.
In some ways, Teoma is more innovative. It's using an extension of an algorithm designed a few years ago by researchers, HITS, that actually goes beyond just searching an index based on a keyword into utilizing the idea of social networks to try to get you closer to what you want. However, this probably impacts search speeds, which I'm guessing is a lot of the reason why their searchspace is so much smaller than the ones used by more contemporary search engines like Yahoo! or Google.
People don't really dig that far with search engines, and I think Teoma's features will be wasted because of this -- most people are just using it to look up the domain for an organization rather than exhaustively researching every page they can get their hands on.
Try not. Do or do not, there is no try.
-- Dr. Spock, stardate 2822-3.
writes "SearchEngineWatch.com was compared the good and the bad of both engine. They wrote the cool thing about Teoma is that its community-seeking behavior is both query-specific, and happens in real time. Whenever you type in a query, we're actually looking for the communities after you type the query. Teoma's approach differs from Google's, which uses a similar, but more static ranking system. It's also unlike the approach taken by Northern Light that classify web pages based on pre-defined categories
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In clear English, that would be:
writes "SearchEngineWatch.com has compared good and bad aspects of multiple search engines. They wrote that the cool thing about Teoma is that its community-seeking behavior is both query-specific, and happens in real time. Whenever you type in a query, we actually look for the communities after you type the query in. Teoma's approach differs from Google's, which uses a similar, but more static ranking system. It's also different from the approach taken by Northern Light that classify web pages based on pre-defined categories."
Sigh. Sure hope you're not writing any Open Source documentation
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--- Will in Seattle - What are you doing to fight the War?
Sure, but does Teoma have doodles? And if it does, what'd they call them? Toodles?
In Soviet Russia, Jesus asks: "What Would You Do?"
Google groups (Newsgroups) and the page caching. The page caching has been great for all of those sites that keep getting /.ed.
Also, finding Googlisms are fun. That is trying to find two words in the same search query that where the query only returns one result.
SearchEngineWatch.com was compared the good and the bad of both engine.
And so it begins
They wrote the cool thing about Teoma is that its community-seeking behavior is both query-specific, and happens in real time.
Quotes here anyone? Is this a quote? Are they summarizing? We'll never know
Whenever you type in a query, we're actually looking for the communities after you type the query. Teoma's approach differs from Google's, which uses a similar, but more static ranking system.
Google's approach or Teoma's approach??
It's also unlike the approach taken by Northern Light that classify web pages based on pre-defined categories.
Last time I checked, "the approach" was singular
I'm not trying to be a troll or a grammar_nazi here, but is just a little proofreading too much to ask for? This write-up is nearing the 1.0 sentence-to-error ratio
- Whenever you type in a query, we're actually looking for the communities after you type the query.
"We're"? Is this a post submitted by a participant inside Teoma? Is this story an attempt to garner marketshare amongst Googling Geeks who read Slashdot? Was any payola given in consideration for front-page placement? Can rhetorical questions ever be answered?-- @rjamestaylor on Ello
Has Google changed something lately? My search returns have been getting worse and worse over the past few months.
So Google's static but Teoma's a HeisenBUG. Now that's a sarch engine to (or not to) watch.
Google - easy to submit to.
Temoa - PITA to submit to.
Google wins.
(not to mention the other goodies, such as Google owning Deja. All of a sudden I'm pitchin a tent in my roos)
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But does it have pigeon power?
using namespace slashdot;
troll::post();
Here is a article on TechTV's site concerning Google's programming contest winner. Hey look I found the /. thread concerning the contest. I can't find the original thread, but I am sure someone out there started one.
I would imagine that if they awarded this guy $10,000 plus expenses for his trip out to visit them, that they would have serious thoughts about adding this feature to their website.
I wonder why Mr. Dan Egnor decided to release all his source code for this project under the GNU liscene when google is paying him all this money to essentially act as a consultant for them.
I wonder how long it takes for the other search engines to integrate this source code into their engines. Is this Teoma Google's closest competitor? They have the Teoma search bar and their site seems to be reasonably fast.
I certainly see no reason to switch.
Oh and by the way the Google Toolbar has been updated apparently since (6/7/02) if you haven't downloaded it since then you might want to check it out again. I think they added some new buttons.
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I typed in a computer query and 5th on the result list was someone from Entertainment Tonight.
You too? I thought it was just me:
query: whois failure
result: John Tesh
GMD
watch this
I typed in the query "Where can I find some pr0n?"
It responded with the single result, titled: "Even geeks deserve those really odd stocking fillers" and was actually about thinkgeek.
Hmm.
Hey maybe he's foriegn,
Maybe he's got better things to 'THINK' about than grammar.
In clear English, that would be:
Cheers for posting a reasonable
It's a good job he dosn't do Web pages
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
I think they added some new buttons.
OOOO, shiny.
Seriously though, Opera integrates search bar functionality right in the browser, and if you want to try a different search engine with the same query, just pull down the menu and pick another. Google is the default though.
I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
- "Teoma Sucks" returns "We found no matches for your search "teoma sucks""
Google's results:"Google sucks" returns 15 matches.
- "Google Sucks" on Google returns a boat-load.
Notice, too, that Teoma is an ASP=based system. *PeeYew!*"Teoma Sucks" A few results--obviously, not a popular topic
Teoma Sucks on Google returns a lot, too.
-- @rjamestaylor on Ello
Type "Slashdot" Into Teoma, here's what I got:
1. Article about Andover IPO
2. Slashdot.net domain placeholder/squatter
3. USGS article detailing the Slashdot effect on it's web site.
...and so on. Slashdot itself isn't even in the top 10. Unscientific I know - but the reason I use Google is that the most relevant like is almost always the top one (and certainly in the top 10).
Teoma misses the obvious stuff. Like "Slashdot," which does not bring one to slashdot.org within the first ten hits.
Teoma's technology is cool, and I'm glad to see Google getting challenged - I think it will make Google a stronger search engine.
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I hope high gas prices are depriving your children, you fucking dumbass.
Here's a fun test.
Go to Google and search the phrase "Teoma Sucks." Count the hits.
Now, go to Teoma and enter the same phrase. Count the hits. Who wins?
If your search results were the same as mine, you'll be amused at the #1 site returned by Teoma.
Enjoy.
This is my post. There are many others like it. If you don't like what you read here, go try one of the others.
AskJeeves (Teoma) sucks.
I'm sorry, but changing one's company name is not going to make a service any better.
Teoma is trying to urge users to use query expansion techniques for enriching their queries through the "Refine Search". Query expansion works well in Information Retrieval experiments. Problem is that users are too lazy to do all that clicking (an extra couple of clicks!).
Google definetely has the technology to add some query reformulation and expansion. They just realised user laziness right from the start. That's what makes them so irresistable. Google users feel that they save time and make less effort to find stuff. A good study on this can be found in this article.
Someone at Teoma should run a query on the Kiss Principle
Marcos
Teuma is not so much PITA (pain in the ass) to submit to
but more of a CITH (cash in the hand) method of inclusion, meaning no cash = no listing
basically charging people to fill Teuma's database for them,
not a lot of difference from those awful search sites you find , you know
Teuma is doomed for failure as soon as the cash runs out, and seeing that its a joint venture of ask.com (who no-one uses willingly) and themselves , it just seems a re-branding exercise for ask.com and a chance to promote their lame marketing tactics
... on perhaps the most incomprehensible Slashdot submission ever.
I like my pages to have been updated in this century..Yahoo's index is SOOO outdated often the top ranked page will be from 1998..great search engine if you want outdated incorrect or just plain wrong information, or you only really want results from Yahoo premier partners :)
Do you Yahoo ? I used to but my palms started getting hairy so I had to stop.
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
The Teoma toolbar is missing a lot of features that the Google toolbar has.
- Teoma's toolbar does not have a "Search Site" button.
- Google adds "Google Search" to Internet Explorer's context menu for selected text. Teoma does not. (This feature is built into Mozilla, by the way.)
- Shift+Enter doesn't open the search results in a new window like it does in the Google Toolbar.
- Alt+Enter doesn't go straight to the first hit like it does in the Google Toolbar (I'm Feeling Lucky).
- Alt+D (focus address bar) and Alt+G (focus Google toolbar) do not work while the Teoma toolbar has focus. Furthermore, CLICKING on the Google toolbar does not work when the Teoma toolbar has focus.
It does, however, have Alt+S to focus the search field in the toolbar (Google uses Alt+G). This is good because the first thing you're going to do after focusing the search field is type a search phrase using the keyboard.The Teoma toolbar makes it easy to add and remove toolbar buttons. I like that.
The "Email this page to a friend" feature is useless. It creates a message that advertises the Teoma search bar and almost hides the information you were trying to send. Unlike the "Send Page" feature in IE and Mozilla, Teoma only sends a link to the page (like IE's and Mozilla's "Send Link"), but it doesn't tell you this.
Problems with BOTH toolbars:
The shareholder is always right.
Mycroft now has a Mozilla search plugin for the version of Google with keyboard shortcuts. And to be on topic, Mycroft also has a search plugin for Teoma.
If you're using a new version of Mozilla (newer than 1.1alpha), you can press Ctrl+Shift+F to go to your chosen search engine. If you install and select the Google Keys search plugin it's easy to do an entire search using only the keyboard. You can press Ctrl+Shift+F, type your query, press enter, and then press '2' to go to the second hit or 'KLK' to go to the second adwords ad.
The shareholder is always right.
#1 return for "Teoma Sucks" on Teoma is baloney.com
I actually don't mind Teoma, I think friendly competition is good for us all.
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Slashdot crew buys OfficeXP
After years of grammatical and spelling errors we decided to spend a fraction of our millions and buy some MS software. OpenOffice is great, but Hemos insisted on a grammar checker. Hey we still hate Microsoft. Really we do! Aww, this little dog assistant is sooo cute.
So, technically, it is something of a non-sequitur to mention Northern Light in this posting.
It is also worth mentioning that Northern Light has been sued by several thousand members of the national writers' union for ripping off freelance writers, and violating their copyrights on an industrial scale. Its lawyers filed a brief with the Supreme Court supporting the (losing) position of the New York Times in the NYT v. Tasini case, which was the case in which the Supreme Court ultimately re-affirmed the rights of freelance writers to be compensaqted fairly for their work.
No stranger to irony, Northern Light Technology (now owned by Divine) has also hypocritically attempted to abuse its so-called "intellectual property" rights, as a sword and not as a shield, in an attempt to hijack the Internet Domain Name NorthernLights.com from its rightful owner (who owned NorthernLights.com almost a YEAR in advance of the launch of the now-defunct Northern Light "search engine"). "Northern Light," incidentally, is the name of an 1860 sailing vessel. The "search engine" was not named after the Aurora Borealis. Just because the CEO of Northern Light picked a really stupid name, and manufactured confusion because his brand name was knowingly proximate to a common dictionary word, certainly does not give him any more right to hijack his neighbor's address than the brand name "biznes (tm)" would give one the right to hijack "business.com" from its rightful owner.
For more information about the hypocrisy of this company (which still continues to drag the trademark dispute through the courts, even though it has discontinued its "search engine"), see
Search for the term "search engine" on Google, and Google is ranked first.
Search for the term "search engine" on Teoma, and Teoma is ranked nowhere in the results! (On the first page, at least). Lycos ranks tops there.
You decide.
i went there and i wanted to see their privacy policy before i used the engine, but i had to actually use their search engine before able to see a link, this was after the site had tried to place 2 cookies on my system,
one from teoma and one from a 1x1 gif webbug from askcm.com, after performing a search the webbug transmitted what i had searched for and a GUID to the askcm.com address as well in the form of a hash.
nearly every way of tracking your behaviour has been implemented on their site.
Of course it does finaly provide (after using) it mentions they will take if they can personally identifying info and they share it with 3rd partys (with permission) (yeah right like yahoo/hotmail did)
On using Internet Explorers "privacy report" feature (which uses the webstandards w3c p3p privacy method) it came up as not supporting that either
pretty un-professional if i cant view a privacy policy before using their service, isnt that what its for ?
not that google is any different of course as it too doesnt support the w3c privacy standard and tries to set a cookie, but it doesnt use webbugs to thirdparty sites and set 2 cookies so i guess thats an improvement.
Looking at the toolbar they offer i have to agree to the the same terms as their website!, which seems strange as they expect me to install software without a explanation of what its gonna do to my system (spyware anyone ?).
Teoma (ask) is yet another classic venture of YOU are the product not the search engine so selling you to the highest bidder takes more importance than the technology ever will.
Teoma slashdot+"first post"
Google slashdot+"first post"
If you want information in a particular domain, ask for it.
When I searched for my name, Teoma ranked my personal web site as the 3rd result. Google put my site 52nd on the same search. Clearly, Teoma likes me better.
Your fantasies contain the seeds of important concepts.
A search for "slashdot" returned slashdot.net as #3. Have you been there lately?
It is a placeholder page (in german) for the domain from a registar.
Yeah, that's crappy logic. I do have to say though, I read through the usgs page and it was interesting.
-Pete
Soccer Goal Plans
All I can say is that when you search for "Ulkarnis" on google, you actually get my site, ulkarnis.rpg.net.nz
On Teoma, you get nowhere close, despite meta tag descriptors and keywords, page title, etc...
I'll stick with Google.
HelpGeeks - don't bother visiting, it's not worth it! Really!
Google has a strong anti-gun bias - see Google Refuses Business from Gun and Knife Advertisers for details.
For me, that rules them out, despite the fact that I prefer the technical aspects of their service to those of any other search engine. If you want to know my position on such things, see my editorial on my homepage, titled Firearms And Self Defense for details.
I don't know why, but just lately (in the past month or so), Google has gone completely nuts and won't show pages that it used to show. For example, my father has a site that's all about little historic stone statues, and you used to be able to do a search for "Venus Figures" on google and get his site. No longer! Even a search for the title of his site doesn't return his site. Even a search for the URL doesn't return his site anymore! It returns some pages with links to his site, but not his site! For my money, the balance of power of the web search engines is shifting. I now use teoma and www.alltheweb.com when I want to do a search, and then try google. If we can make a decent operating system, web server, proxy, etc open source, why can't we make a decent open source search engine? Surely the geekier members amongst us can figure something out... Ben
I am artificially intelligent.
It doesn't give you what you're looking for right away -- it mixes it all in with advertised links and misc nonsense. If you want it 'your way, right away' Google will remain King of the Hill.
geeks are cats who dig a certain kind of cool
I can not even begin to count the number of crappy links google has tried to give me because it decided that some similar word was "close enough" to what i was searching for.
That might be a useful feature for when i'm unsure of what i'm looking for, but most of the time i _know_ what i want to find, and i don't appreciate Google cluttering things up with other "likely" variants. Using the "exact phrase" in the advanced search option returns the same inexact search results.
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I do absolutely nothing to achieve that placement, other than trying to provide useful content and not putting ads all over the place.
Try to search KX-TD290 (E1 card for KX-TD1232). 102 results from Google and ZERO from Teoma. Bye-bye, Teoma. Come back when you will find at least half of what Google finds.
I wonder if Google is responding to AllTheWeb's claim to have the largest nuber of indexed pages by refreshing/rebuilding their index? .sig and all pages mentioning or linking to it are no longer to be found by Google. Gone. Vapourised. The cache is empty as well. This and this site used to be the first results listed when you searched for "amigaos petition distribution policies". Now see for yourselves what turns up (it's just 3 hits).
I'm wondering because the site in my
Help savingAmigaOS and a free PowerPC market
I entered:
delphi "cd ripper"
in Google and got 6 hits. Teoma gave me 55, and I feel like they were more useful. I like Google a lot, but I'm adding Teoma to my very short list of useful search engines.
Hotbot's powersearch is still pretty damn good. I will probably use Teoma as well. I won't refuse to take advantage of the strengths of all of them.
also there are privacy issues in teoma, since it leads you to the final web site via a redirection through teoma
Google today is what Yahoo was in 1994--the, not a, way to find something on the web. When Google tommorrow becomes Yahoo today, there will be a new service that will dominate.
[Don't tell me about WebCrawler as the way to find something in the early web days. It wasn't as important as Yahoo.]
-- @rjamestaylor on Ello
No, that's a lengthy way of saying the same thing.
Look, it's like Open Source docs - don't use a long expositional phrase to say the same thing you can say in a few well-chosen words.
E.g. "The highly mobile and agile lupine, which was brown in fur coloration, cleanly vaulted over the slow and speed challenged canine." is worse than "The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog."
--- Will in Seattle - What are you doing to fight the War?
How is it a troll? I think it's relevant that both Google and Teoma are missing an important feature that is carried by a (nowdays overlooked) cempetitor.
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