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Gamespy Installer Spreads Nimda

NSG writes "Yahoo News is running this story about the Nimda virus infecting some Gamespy Arcade 1.09 installers. Approximately 3,100 infected files were served in a seven hour period. What responsibility does Gamespy have to the users who downloaded the infected file?"

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  1. Who downloads it anyway? by crandall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I mean, seriously, who downloads this anyway? I make a habit of not trusting any software that has to scan your entire harddrive in order to 'find' games.

    If a game doesn't have an ingame browser, then I stick to direct connect, or single player. I shouldn't have to run external programs to play games online.

    Still, I think the bad press alone will be Gamespy's punishment on this one. I've seen this news crop up everywhere in the past day or two, and chances are, anyone who reads any kind of net news knows as well.

    1. Re:Who downloads it anyway? by yomahz · · Score: 5, Informative


      If a game doesn't have an ingame browser, then I stick to direct connect, or single player. I shouldn't have to run external programs to play games online.


      Most in game browsers are really half assed and lame as hell.


      I make a habit of not trusting any software that has to scan your entire harddrive in order to 'find' games.


      Well, if you don't have the source to a program, you don't have any idea what it's doing anyways. At least it's telling you. You can always cancel it you know...

      One thing I do have to say is that gamespy "Arcade" is really lame compared to Gamespy "3D"... Arcade just seems like a spam filled piece of crap..

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  2. None, I'm guessing... by Shade,+The · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Legally anyway. I haven't looked at the EULA for Gamespy (haven't downloaded it, actually), but I'm betting some large odds it'll have some clause in it saying they're not responsible even if it destroys your computer, sets fire to your home, and heralds the End of the World.

    Whether this will stand up in court would be interesting to see, though. And the precedent it would set would be very wide ranging.

    1. Re:None, I'm guessing... by yomahz · · Score: 4, Insightful


      Legally anyway. I haven't looked at the EULA for Gamespy (haven't downloaded it, actually), but I'm betting some large odds it'll have some clause in it saying they're not responsible even if it destroys your computer, sets fire to your home, and heralds the End of the World.


      You mean like this one and this one, and this one, and every other EULA I've ever read?

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  3. Liability? Read their TOS. by User+956 · · Score: 4, Informative

    They're legally immune. From the GameSpy Website:

    To the fullest extent permitted by applicable laws, GameSpy and its employees, agents, suppliers, and contractors shall in no event be liable for any claims, charges, demands, damages, liabilities, losses, and expenses of whatever nature and howsoever arising, including without limitation any compensatory, incidental, direct, indirect, special, punitive, or consequential damages, loss of use, loss of data, loss caused by a computer or electronic virus, loss of income or profit, loss of or damage to property, claims of third parties, or other losses of any kind or character, even if GameSpy has been advised of the possibility of such damages or losses, arising out of or in connection with the use of this Web Site, software, or any Web Site with which it is linked. You assume total responsibility for establishing such procedures for data back up and virus checking as you consider necessary.

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    1. Re:Liability? Read their TOS. by I+Want+GNU! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not necessarily. Just because a company states that it isn't liable for anything doesn't mean it is. Several rights cannot be forfeited in contracts. If they could, companies could make people indentured servants instead of foreclosing on them. The EULA is designed to make a user think he or she has no rights, not to actually take them all away (although it does take away some rights).

  4. They copied Microsoft by I+Want+GNU! · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't believe GameSpy is doing this. It's sooo passé. Microsoft already did this. Next time GameSpy wants to get infected, it should be original and choose a different virus, maybe W32.Klez.E or even a McAfee homebrew bug, instead of just copying MS because it's an industry leader. Me, I prefer my KaZaA virus, because it has its own EULA.

  5. alternatives by Barbarian · · Score: 4, Informative

    Although many people believe they HAVE to use Gamespy Arcade to play their favorite game online, and some games bundle it on the CD and suggest you install it, most games also include their own in-game browsers and there are also alternatives available which don't try to force you into a chat room when ever you want to look for a game or shove banners in your face, although some (pingtool) are dead.

  6. Now I've seen it all by mcpkaaos · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was one of the original Gamespy employees from a few years ago, and I never thought I'd see Gamespy as the subject of a /. story. It just goes to show, before long everything ends up on this site. ;)

    It doesn't surprise me in the least that this has occured, though I hate to bash on my old company (especially since when I left, I left with enough stock to really want the company to succeed, or liquidate and get it over with, hehe.) Truth be told, the company has always been run by a man who truly couldn't care less about customers, a development manager who can't understand why you don't call virtuals from a constructor, and a project lead who thinks UI coding is the end-all-be-all of computer science. Put them together and you end up with very little experience trying to manage a product that has long since outlived its usefulness.

    And before you flame me or whatever, I do know a little bit about which I speak... having written much of the original Arcade myself (though I'm not too proud of the outcome, having followed its progress since I left in '00.)

    All in all, you can continue to expect inferior product from an inferior company, shameful as it is. I often lament on how things might have changed were L-Fire and I given a little more freedom to get stuff done. C'est la vie.

    /me waits to get flamed by crt and Walla now

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  7. They screwed up - so what? by Bjarne+Bula · · Score: 3, Insightful

    OK, so they screwed up. They're not the first, and it would surprise me if they were the last. At least we haven't had any major virus targetting online gamers. Yet. (I'm sure the anti-virus makers have some cooking in their skunkworks-labs, to unleash on us once the artifical panic from the JPEG virus blows over.)

    Part of the problem is of course the MS monoculture. Those of us wishing for a wider deployment of Linux (including me) may come to regret that wish, since it will inevitably lead to Linux virii. They will have a harder time of infecting the whole machine, but no doubt some clever cyber-{terrorist,vandal,take-your-pick} will come up with one that does exactly that, sooner or later.

    And as sure as flies home in on shit, MS will take that as an opportunity to tout Palladium and denounce Linux.

    Anyway, the big question is not really how to avoid having software distributions infected, but rather how to encapsulate software. On UNIX and Windows alike, any software you run, will run with the full privilegies of the user (at best) or root (at worst).

    It would seem to me that one interesting future development for Linux (or one of the BSDs, perhaps?) would be to find a non-intrusive way of encapsulating software packages, even at run-time. Let them define what they need access to, and then have an installer grant them rights only to those parts of the system.

    Most software really only needs write access to their own directory, plus perhaps /tmp. Why give them blanket access to everything? Software that manipulates random files could communicate via a system call/trusted library that would combine a file-browser and grant one-shot access outside of the applications "playground" for the specific file-name/directory chosen by the user.

    Oh well...

    1. Re:They screwed up - so what? by pyrote · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Doesn't matter, as a whole, we are moving to a 'computer' mono-culture. Every app is being ported to everything, hell, my palm runs gameboy, and has a simple dos prompt.
      with all of linux's efforts it's only a matter of time someone writes a virii designed to abuse all the windows compatibility software (read:wine), or codes a hybrid.

      eventually no one will care which OS we run, like now, in the handheld market, we don't care which Processor we run. we have ARM, MIPS, PowerPC, SH, and X86.

      It will come down to speed, and at thaat time, everything will talk to each other and virii won't care. it's the future.

      As for permissions, how many newbies will actually run a linux box on a sub user? hell, every XP box I see is run in admin mode. no newbie cares what a particular person or app needs access to... they want plug and play, which means no logging in or out to install crap.

      So there.

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  8. Re:This is an industry problem, not just gamespy. by some2 · · Score: 3, Informative
    Even a clause that says they are not liable does not exclude them from liability.

    Here's an article on software liability clauses and theories on lawsuits regarding software liability. The key to success in a lawsuit is as follows:
    Negligence: The company has a duty to take reasonable measures to make the product safe (no personal injuries or property damage), or no more unsafe than a reasonable customer would expect (skis are unsafe, but skiers understand the risk and want to buy skis anyway.) Under the right circumstances, a company can non-negligently leave a product in a dangerous condition.
    The users of the software would assume that this software would be free from viruses. This company, by both not securing its networked systems from known viruses, and by not verifying that it's software was not virus-infected prior to release, acted negligently.

    Now the question is -- would the reward of attempting lengthy litigation over a relatively small loss be worthwhile? Unfortunately, it's not all too often as such. To my knowledge, as of yet, data loss due to negligence (not resulting in death, destruction of people or property, etc) has not provided for large damages. I'm sure as judges and congress members become more technically savvy, we will see more resonable laws and judgements relating to software liability. Until then, good luck.
  9. Impact is probably relatively minimal by Ryu2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It does not absolve Gamespy of responsibility -- but fortunately the actual impact is now. Nimda only infects servers running IIS as a HTTP server, and I'm sure not many gamers are running IIS on their machines.

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    1. Re:Impact is probably relatively minimal by Alizarin+Erythrosin · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, it also tries to copy itself to any active network shares and opens your "Guest" account on Windows (should it have one) to administration level access, with no password, as well as random emails to people you know (or may not even know)

      For more information

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  10. SirCam!! by commodoresloat · · Score: 3, Funny
    The obvious choice for Gamespy should have been the Sircam virus. You're playing Unreal II and all of a sudden this girl shows up.... just before she blows you away she says:
    Hi! How are you?

    I destroy you in order to have your advice.

    See you later. Thanks

  11. GameSpy Revision History by keller999 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Arcade 1.1b This version of Arcade, released on June 28, 2002, included the following changes: - Removed nasty NIMBA virus - Fired security admin