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DotGNU Meet-a-thon
Gopal.V writes "It's time for the Quarterly DotGNU IRC Meet-a-thon. As usual, we'll be having it on #dotgnu on irc.openprojects.net. We will be discussing the current state of DotGNU, where we've gone and where we should be headed. Anyone who is interested should join us. In particular, we are not only looking for developers to be involved in this meet, but also potential DotGNU users. We are very interested in addressing any questions/input from anyone who will one day use our framework. So come one, come all. The last meet was a lot of fun and we expect this this IRC meet will be even better than the last. Again, the IRC meet is taking place on: Server: irc.openprojects.net, Channel: #dotgnu. The meeting will run for a 36 hour period from 22:00 UTC Saturday 29 July 2002 until 10:00 UTC Monday 31 July. Every 4 hours will be an official meet time, when the major DotGNU members will be online. Most discussions will revolve round DotGNU projects and other issues concerning freedom in the new MS initiatives like .NET , and Palladium." I think this announcement may be slightly wrong on the times since it disagrees with the post to the email list; but this is posted as submitted.
shouldn't that be GNU/dot?
IIRC, I read that DotGNU will enable you to run your C# programs on the free GNU/Linux operating system using exclusively free software. With DotGNU, you will be able to use C# if you wish, without surrendering your freedom to study, share, change, and generally control all the software that you use.
This is, of course a boon, however it is worthless without some soft of workaround for Microsoft's Palladium scheme:
Microsoft's "Palladium certification scheme will rip the guts out of the GPL. That is, the minute I begin tinkering with my software, my ability to interface with the Great PKI in the Sky will be broken. I'll have a Linux box with a GPL, all right; but if I exercise the license in any meaningful way I'll render my system 'unauthorized for Palladium' and lose business. So instead, I imagine I'll be turning to my vendor for support, updates, modifications and patches. And I'll be dependent on them for support services at whatever price they can wheedle out of me because I dare not lose my Palladium authorization. I wonder if the cost of ownership of an open-source system will actually be lower than the cost of a proprietary system under such circumstances."
The theory of relativity doesn't work right in Arkansas.
I've been upset with this too. I wouldn't put it as above, although there are some valid.. statements, heh ;)
Try this url too for a petition against this silliness.
Fighting .NET is stupid. .NET is a great technology, it's an ECMA standard.
.NET == MyServices == Palladium which is not the case.
I understand the fear of Hailstorm/MyServices (which is now dead, MS gave up on it), Palladium, etc.
It seems that the project leaders here are misinformed since they seem to think that
Support Mono, not dotGNU!
The times should have been "10:00 UTC Saturday 29th July until 22:00 UTC Sunday 30th July". Sorry for any confusion. Please join us on irc.openprojects.net#dotgnu, any time this weekend.
I'm especially disappointed with Rob Levin, but at the same time, I'm proud of OFTC.net which is turning out to be a worthy replacement for OpenProjects. Once again, people have demonstrated the Internet's abilitity to route around greed the same way it routes around damage.
For those who aren't up to scratch with IRC history, Rob Levin is the founder of OpenProjects, a successful forum for Open Source developers. However, recently he was sacked from his workplace. Despite being offered employment in his area and worldwide, he has refused them on grounds of "being too good" and has instead taken the easy way out and pilfered the OpenProjects funds to maintain his $150,000 per annum income. Levin is now nothing more than an opportunist who is exploiting the goodwill of sponsors and the community, misrepresenting his own personal keep-me-rich charity as an Open Source fund, despite never having contributed a single line of code to any Open project. Recently, he's taken to abusing volunteers and developers on the IRC network, threatening to shut them down or "K-Line" (permanent ban) them from the network unless they conform with his views and contribute to his salary, in effect trying to milk them for money. He also knows exactly what people with resources to donate want to hear and is often able to sweet-talk money out of companies and individuals who want to assist the Open Source community.
Note that I have nothing but respect for the other OpenProjects staff members, particularly their ircd coders. I hope that they will be successful in ejecting LILO from the team before he runs OpenProjects onto the rocks. After all, the network is every bit their property and the property of the bandwidth sponsorors as it is of this corrupt and misguided individual.
In the meantime, I welcome you to #Mandrake and #kernelnewbies on irc.oftc.net!
Is your browser retarded?
Fighting .NET is stupid. .NET is a great technology, it's an ECMA standard.
.NET functionality are another matter entirely.
Hardly. The only parts that have been submitted to the ECMA are C# and the CLI. Everything else, all the parts that provide the
Well, this is a surprising post. The thing about Ada is that the main point of it is the compilers and environments that are available for it (usually a lot of $ too). I really don't think people would care about running Ada on a .NET type platform.
At my job, we are switching away from Ada to Java. Enough said.
Why do people keep modding up this troll?
Ripped off from
Stallman added: "Mono will enable you to run your C# programs on the free GNU/Linux operating system using exclusively free software. With Mono, you will be able to use C# if you wish, without surrendering your freedom to study, share, change, and generally control all the software that you use."
I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
You have every right to disagree with Rob Levin's behavior. Lots of people do. But how does this have anything to do with the decision to use OPN for what it is intended for?
If you consider it a successful forum for Open Source developers, and you have nothing but respect for the other staffers, I don't understand why there is cause to discourage the use of OPN.
I'm surprised you revealed that you programmed ASP using VB and Javascript. I never tell that to anyone.
Yeah, but switching from existing Ada implementations to Ada on dotWhatever might as well be switching to a whole new language/platform.
.NET. The same would need to happen with Ada, though to a lesser exent. Just that little bit of change would probably panic existing Ada developers (not to mention using the whole new package system).
.NET. I don't think Ada would provide any advantages.
:-/
Microsoft had to change VB and JScript quite a bit to work with
As Microsoft says, C# is the best language to use for
Don't get me wrong, it would be cool to see Ada for dotGNU, but I highly doubt many would care beyond just some academics
Here's the dillema. I'm seeing this move from nice, open standards (C/C++) to languages that have strings attached, like Java and C$^H#. Even if C# is an ECMA standard, there is no getting around the fact that Microsoft is the one guiding its development and evolution. I don't know about the rest of you, but after what MS has done with Win32, I really don't trust them to come up with good API and language standards. And even if they do, I'd rather not have their hands on the riens. Why is there no truly open project (I'm talking ISO C/C++ open) trying to take on C# and Java instead of merely copying them?
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
You're not disappointed with his dismissal of OPN. You're disappointed with my dismissal which I posted to kerneltrap a good 24 hours ago. Nevertheless, I'm willing to let it slip by as a well-moderated post is more likely to get the message through. Still, sad that people have to copy-and-paste articles word-for-word :-(
I'm also disappointed to see people like you are still supporting Levin as I have seen him insult and hurt the feelings of innocent developers trying to use "OPN for what it is intended for" for no apparent reason. The abuse of power can't just be shrugged off; the issue must be addressed -- and the best way of doing so is by providing a community-driven alternative.
-- Richard Osborne
Still, sad that people have to copy-and-paste articles word-for-word :-(
Ah, well then my appoligies. It is a pretty sad state of affairs when one feels compelled to post on Slashdot so badly, yet can't think of anything intelligent to say, and proceeds to steal someone else's thoughts.
I'm also disappointed to see people like you are still supporting Levin as I have seen him insult and hurt the feelings of innocent developers trying to use "OPN for what it is intended for" for no apparent reason. The abuse of power can't just be shrugged off; the issue must be addressed -- and the best way of doing so is by providing a community-driven alternative.
Interesting that since I didn't outright slam Rob in my post, you assume that I support his actions.
Regardless, I do not see how one can assert that OPN is not community driven, considering the thousands of people that regularly sign on. As a long time regular in a handful of channels, I feel fairly confident saying there is indeed a strong community there, and that I am a part of it.
Frankly, I consider starting an alternate network over the behavior of one staffer to be a foolish waste of the resources that have been invested in OPN by countless individuals who are not Rob Levin. It seems to me a far more prudent solution would be to have him step down, rather than to encourage an exodous from a perfectly good network.
But then, according to the Open Source naysayers, it's a standard Open Source tactic to fork a project rather than contribute to fixing it.
It will be a better language with a better runtime (Parrot). Well, okay, you can debate the better language part, but Parrot will be slick.
I cannot figure out what's so great about .NET and .CLONES of .NET.
Inter-process communication over the web? What is wrong with existing standards, such as HTTP Post and Get (et al)?
Seems like nothing but a plot to compete with an over-complicated mess, known as Java, by making a new different over-complicated mess.
Table-ized A.I.
Except... Motorola is a member of the TPCA. And so is IBM. And so is nVidia. And so are a whole lot of other companies.
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In other words: good luck.
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