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Apple Buys Emagic

sapporo writes "Apple has apparently bought Emagic, developers of Audio Logic, music production software used by 200,000 people worldwide. Emagic will operate as a wholly owned division of Apple, and the Windows versions of their software will be discontinued on September 30, 2002. Whoa!"

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  1. Good news. by Pahroza · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is not only good news, but great news. Pardon me for feeling gleeful that Windows users will now feel the way some of us Mac users have felt in the past. It's about time that the Windows world lost a piece of software which is important to them. Although there are still options for them such as Digidesign'sProTools and Motu's Digital Performer, at least I can bask in the schadenfreude I have knowing they've lost a fantastic application like Logic Audio.

    On to something more serious now, will this acquisition be good for Apple ? Certainly they've got the majority of Logic users, but can they improve upon this product to the degree that it will cause the Windows users to switch? I'm not sure whether they can. Getting someone to switch platforms when there are other solutions available is obviously not easy. But some of these audio applications take a lot of experience to master, and it may be cheaper in the long run for someone to buy a PowerMac instead of having to learn one of the other available applications for PC.

    I do hope that everyone benefits from this, and that the small audio guy who only has a PC isn't left completely out in the cold, I do realize not everyone can afford a Mac. Hopefully the existing user base will not be immediately left out in the cold when they drop PC support. There should be some modicum of respect for the users who helped make Emagic as popular as it is today.

  2. Spending spree by zaren · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While I don't exactly approve of this "buy software and then kill the Windows branch" stragety, it's interesting to see it happening. As a shareholder, I'm curious to see if all these purchases are truly being made to improve Apple software, or just to limit Windows users access to such software.
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  3. Killing by BigBir3d · · Score: 3, Informative

    off the windows version is fine with me, but when it is 35% (inferred from statement that macintosh is 65%) of revenues sounds rather stupid.

    not to be a troll, but it is stupid business decisions like this that hampers the growth of apple. steve jobs is good for some things, but i don't think long range planning is one of them (he is great for revitalizing the 'look and feel' of things though).

    i wonder if stuff like this is filed into the memory of bill gates when he negotiates with apple? it could be on a list of reasons to discontinue ms office, or IE (no great loss that one).

    1. Re:Killing by feldsteins · · Score: 3, Informative

      not to be a troll, but it is stupid business decisions like this that hampers the growth of apple. steve jobs is good for some things, but i don't think long range planning is one of them (he is great for revitalizing the 'look and feel' of things though).

      I think what the Big Steve has done over the last few years constitutes quite a bit more than "revitalizing the loook and feel of things." Give the man some credit, for god's sake. His company is not only back from near-death, but by some measures one of the healthiest computer companies around - and this through a tight-belted economy! "Look and feel" my butt. So to speak.

      off the windows version is fine with me, but when it is 35% (inferred from statement that macintosh is 65%) of revenues sounds rather stupid.

      I think the idea here involves more strategy than a) make software product, b) sell software product for more than it costs to make it, c) make profit.

      I think we can count on a consumer and a professional application to come out of such a purchase. "iAudio" would come free on every Mac and would allow pimply teenage wannabes pretend they're DJ's, "Audio Studio Pro" on the other hand would sell for a bit less than it's competitors and have the tight hardware integration and high polish typical of Apple software. With the former, they caputure consumer sales of iMacs and iBooks. With the later they sell pro hardware and potentially capture a large portion of the pro audio software market.

      What about iMovie and Final Cut Pro? I forget what Apple bought to get the core guts of these apps going...but whatever it was, if they had cut off the Windows versions to do it, would you still call it stupid after the sucess of the resulting products? I don't see how you can.

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    2. Re:Killing by Andy_R · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The sensibility of this decision rather depends on how much of the Emagic's expenditure went into the PC version, and supporting the myriad hardware combinations and windows versions that the PC environment has.

      If the PC version consumed 70% of their development and support costs, but only provided 35% of their revenue, then it's probably a sound business decision to cut it off, regardless of the advantage Apple would gain from the software moving to a single platform only.

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    3. Re:Killing by DavidRavenMoon · · Score: 3, Informative
      What about iMovie and Final Cut Pro? I forget what Apple bought to get the core guts of these apps going...but whatever it was, if they had cut off the Windows versions to do it, would you still call it stupid after the sucess of the resulting products? I don't see how you can.

      FCP was being developed by Macromedia. I don't think it ever had a name, and I'm sure MM would have made a Windows version.

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  4. This just sucks by RaboKrabekian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As a registered user of Logic Audio Platinum for Windows, I'm very dissapointed with this. I've spent hundreds of dollars over the years buying and upgrading this software, only to have it discontinued right out from under me.

    I'm kind of in shock right now - this just sucks! Good move for Apple, though - Emagic makes great software and is a well-run company.

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  5. Apple on a buying streak by tolldog · · Score: 4, Informative

    Apple has purchased 2 companies with compositing software and now a company with audio software.

    Where are they getting all this money???

    And from what I understand, in all cases they are looking at discontinuing Windows support and posibly Linux as well.

    I am all for Apple having strong authoring tools, but to buy out software that people rely on to do work and then drop support for their platform is pretty shadey. It is forcing us to move to a Mac or to find some other software, and in some cases, all the other software is a few generations behind.

    I may not mind getting a Mac, but please don't force me into it.

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    1. Re:Apple on a buying streak by tolldog · · Score: 3, Interesting

      True.
      But I don't want a Windows or a Mac solution.

      I am happy with my Linux farm. With an investment of 500 machines, I don't want to have to change because software had been rendered useless due to some marketing strategy.

      From what I understand from others in the movie industry, the studios are looking at packages for a feature, not packages for long term use. I think all of this stems from the way software vendors create a product, rest on their laurels, and then get replaced by somebody else.

      Being in a smaller shop, I don't know if we can play that game. We are trying to finish a 3d movie using composer as our compositing software and it is a major bottle neck. Composer is good, don't get me wrong, but the software runs on older, slower SGI boxes. Shake and Rayz are what we are looking at in the future, but neither may be arround for Linux in 2 years.

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  6. Re:Audio iMovie over Final Cut Pro by Andy_R · · Score: 4, Informative

    Emagic already have a free version of Logic, called Logic Fun, that roughly fits the bill.

    It's only got 4 tracks, and no CD-burning built in, but it's free, and comes in Mac and PC flavours (for now)

    You can download it from http://www.emagic.de/german/education/download.htm l (this page is in German, but the application is English language)

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  7. Offtopic: Schadenfreude by mjpaci · · Score: 3, Offtopic

    Only the Germans would have such a great word.

    Word of the Day for Wednesday May 10, 2000:

    schadenfreude \SHAHD-n-froy-duh\, noun:
    A malicious satisfaction in the misfortunes of others.

    The historian Peter Gay -- who felt Schadenfreude as a Jewish child in Nazi-era Berlin, watching the Germans lose coveted gold medals in the 1936 Olympics -- has said that it "can be one of the great joys of life."
    --Edward Rothstein, "Missing the Fun of a Minor Sin." New York Times, February 5, 2000

    Often the people Pi met in Mendocino wanted to hear these terrible stories, the personal disasters, or they quoted them back to her from what they'd read, with a certain glitter in their eyes -- giving Pi the chance to wonder again as she once had in a Wittgenstein seminar why there wasn't a word in English for Schadenfreude, that very human pleasure taken in other people's misery.
    --Sylvia Brownrigg, The Metaphysical Touch

    If self-replicating e-commerce baby tycoons get on your nerves, it's schadenfreude time. It's true that the Nasdaq rebounded after its staggering loss Tuesday. Nonetheless, what AP described as "the most volatile day ever for U.S. stocks" left a distinctly bearish aftertaste.
    --"Market Motion Sickness." The Industry Standard's Media Grok, April 5, 2000

  8. Great for Linux by heikkile · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I hope this will be an eye-opener for many users of commercial software. This is what may happen to any such software. The only guarantee is to do like the electronics industry does, and prefer stuff that has more than one provider. In software the only way to do this is to go with Open Source. That always leaves open the possibility of hiring someone to continue to support the stuff, no matter what companies get sold, close down, or change strategy.

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    1. Re:Great for Linux by feldsteins · · Score: 5, Insightful

      While that is a valid point, it's equally valid to point out that if the open source community was willing and able to create an audio application that could sucessfully compete with the commercial big boys they haven't done so yet.

      Please do not flame me with two dozen sourceforge URLs pointing to unknown or half-finished projects. The key descriptor here being that can sucessfully compete with the commercial big boys. And do please remember that I'm not saying it can't be done...only that it hasn't yet.

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    2. Re:Great for Linux by foobar104 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I hope this will be an eye-opener for many users of commercial software. This is what may happen to any such software. The only guarantee is to do like the electronics industry does, and prefer stuff that has more than one provider. In software the only way to do this is to go with Open Source.

      You know, for all the posts on Slashdot that point out the failures of the commercial software industry (most of them with the subject "Great for Linux"), the fact remains that there is no competitive open source software for these sorts of applications. There's no open source equivalent of Flame, or Shake, or Boujou, or Audio Logic. There's nothing out there that even comes close.

      Tclosed-source software model may have flaws, but despite those flaws it has one thing going for it: software.

  9. Big news in the audio industry by Adam+Wiggins · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is big news, for two reasons:

    1. Logic Audio is quickly becoming one of the most used pro audio sequencers. I'm not sure where it stands next to Cubase and Protools (the other two big names), but it has gained a lot of market share lately.

    2. We've been waiting for the OS X version of Logic for over a year now. This damn well better mean that it come out really soon, otherwise Apple owns a company that only creates MacOS 9 software!

  10. Very Likely by BitGeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > PC version consumed 70% of their development and support costs
    That seems unlikely


    No, I would expect that to be the case. Usually it is that way when you release a product on both platforms. I know this, I've done it.

    Your costs on the PC side are much higher-- both in initial development, and in support. This is due to the poor quality of the development environment for Windows and the poor quality of the machines people buy- bad power supplies cause memory corruption, causes your program to crash and the computer illiterate mother isn't going to think that maybe she shouldn't have bought a computer from some fly by night company for $400-- she's going to wonder why your software doens't work.

    Developing software for Windows is also more expensive because in order to get a unit of sales you have to spend more money to reach the customers-- there's a lot more competition. Whereas on the Mac side, getting the same unit of sales is a lot cheaper because theirs less competition for it.

    The reason companies support windows at all (given this situation) is that marketing guys are idiots and not businessmen-- they never take into account the costs of development and costs of sales, they decide based on the size of the market. And non-marketing CEOs believe them.

    There's a great opportunity for Mac software developers... but so few have taken it, that apple has started doing it itself.

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  11. Sensible Plan... by ablair · · Score: 3, Informative

    There's currently a discussion on this very topic on MacSlash, but a few /. people may be interested in some Apple ramblings too:

    Strategy: Buy Low, Sell High.
    How low can the stock values of companies go? Since last fall, many in the tech sector have certainly been trying to find out. This is a great time to buy companies or technologies and lately Apple has been wisely acting when opportunities arise. Even if Emagic GmbH, Spruce Technologies, Nothing Real, and Zayante in the last year had all been privately held, they would have still been sold at a favourable price compared to buying them before the .bomb bubble burst.

    Strategy: Niche Market Growth.
    It's clear that Apple wants to defend the Macintosh strength as a music & audio creation tool in the long term. Since pro audio software has been lagging on the march to MacOS X, Apple is at least applying heat to developers if not exactly lighting a fire under them. Logic and associated software & hardware on the Mac will mean that Digidesign, Twelve Tone Systems(Cakewalk), MOTU and Steinberg will have to take the market segment more seriously (although MOTU & Digidesign have historically been great friends of the Mac already). The way it's looking is that a larger majority of pro audio will be done on the Mac. Can Steinberg, Twelve Tone et al. risk being caught with their pants around their ankles if this happens?

    Strategy: Technology Cross-Pollination.
    Now that Apple has a substantial video-production, streaming, compression, audio & other technologies, they may consider adding many good features from one to another and developing truly feature-rich packages. It dosen't take a dreamer to see the possibilities, from unheard-of professional solutions to trickle-down pro capabilities in new iSoftware (eg. look how technologies purchased from Marcromedia were crafted into Final Cut Pro & iMovie). This is one area that users, down the road, can really cash out with if Apple encourages the flow of technologies between it's new divisions.

    Strategy: Sorry, Mac-Only.
    One thing that is a bit sad about this, ironically enough, is the immediate cancellation of the Windows versions of some software (notably Shake & Logic) with this strategy. While perhaps more upfront than an MS-style purchase and feature-deprivation in non-Windows versions, Apple still isn't making any friends (and perhaps losing potentially loyal customers & money) by doing this. Still, one cannot say that it's not what happened to Mac users through the late 1990s (even now - look at Bungie) but it would be better karma to be more merciful once the shoe is on the other foot. Apple would be smart to mitigate the anger of Windows users by offering discounts on upgrades to the next Mac version.

    Next Strategy: More Vertical Markets.
    The Macintosh still has a real chance at gaining significant market share if it can be a strong alternative in enough vertical market segments. Apple is rightly building on it's strenghts, but should diversify enough so that the Macintosh is not pegged as only good for those niches (remember what happened to the Amiga? Games machine!)

    A Holy Grail almost as worthy as dominating the business market for Apple is the scientific & engineering markets, often with high software margins all around. A purchase or substantial investment in Autodesk à la the MS $150M in Apple would make Apple a huge player in the professional engineering, architecture, and manufacturing industries overnight. Considering Autodesk is not the most expensive stock right now, with a market cap of approximately USD$1.4B, Apple could conceivably purchase the entire operations in cash and still have about $2B in the bank. Autodesk's Design Segment develops AutoCAD, Autodesk Inventor, Mechanical Desktop, Autodesk Architectural Desktop, Architectural Studio, Autodesk Map, Lightscape, and Autodesk Land Desktop, to name a few (most industry-standard in their fields) and the Discreet Segment develops 3D Studio MAX, Animator Studio, flame, inferno, smoke, combustion, cinestream, plasma, cleaner, MPEG supercharger, Topper, and many others.

    With a stable of industry-dominating software products as great as this, such a purchase (or even investment ensuring MacOS X compatibility) would send massive shockwaves across the engineering & architectural markets, and ripples in the scientific & pro graphics markets who are by now used to this. No immediate cancellation of the Windows version would be posible here, rather a years-long strategy to ensure first Mac versions and then Mac feature-parity. A purchase like this too rich for Apple's blood? Try something smaller like privatley-held ESRI (makers of ArcINFO, ArcView, ArcGIS & associated imaging systems), or continue to add strength in the crucial areas of coming scientific importance such as biotech and bioinformatics, in which Macs already have a growing following as you can see.