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FreeBSD s/390 Port in the works
brad-x writes: "It appears that an enterprising gentleman has taken the time to port FreeBSD to the s/390. It needs some work yet, as his project page suggests, but if he makes it happen it will definitely be very cool. Check it out!"
i guess *BSD isnt dying after all....
Since the S/390 is a pretty parallel architecture...does this mean that the FreeBSD kernel is getting better at SMP?
Does it run with more than 2 processors on the 390?
Is the 2 CPU limitation an X86-only thing that I'm ignorant of (quite possible)?
That's not to say that I don't love the BSD's, but they do have (or maybe they had) their limitations.
-Turkey
-Turkey
...someone gives me a 390 to try it out on.
Anyone with a 390 given it a whirl yet?
It'll be interesting to see how long this takes. Surely an announcement after it is finished would have been better?
The more platforms supported, the merrier it will be.
Although, I don't expect to see FreeBSD on anywhere near the same number of platforms as NetBSD.
I'd like to see FreeBSD 5 running on RS/6000 hardware... That would be nice
-- The universe began. Life started on a billion worlds...
-- Except on one where stupidity was there first.
The thing I think is interesting about this port is that it puts freebsd on the s/390 while NetBSD isn't. They do say a port of NetBSD to the s/390 would be relatively staightforward though.
...until they can get off their duffs and at least give us PPC and sparc64 ports!
He:
1.) Reminded us how lame CLIT is. They didn't even get first post. Are they even still around?
2.) Reminded us that BSD has died. Something many people reading this site desperately need to realize.
Excellent job, fellow AC! I salute you!
Sorry pal. It's doing quite well. Linux, however, is a toy OS that's going nowhere fast.
Get a life, Mandrake luser.
Linux is garbage.
Are there really that many people that own s/390s that are going to put FreeBSD, rather than it's native OS, on it? Seems kind of odd that they're going through all this effort to port it to an arch that probably won't see much use, whereas a sparc or ppc port would see a lot more action. They have some odd priorities.
Beyond 2 CPUs FreeBSD may crawl, but it ought
to work at least. Getting up to 15 processors
on a PC is easy. Past that, IRQ routing has to
be done differently.
For most jobs, Linux 2.4 will scale well up to
at least 4 CPUs, and maybe to as many as 12.
It will operate on up to 32.
The S/390 is about reliability, not speed.
Some models will catch a bit flip in the CPU
by running every instruction twice, and
comparing the results.
The S/390 has been replaced by the 64-bit
zSeries hardware. Of course it runs Linux,
and it sure doesn't run BSD. (not even NetBSD)
Maybe someday BSD will be almost as portable
as Linux is.
to compile the linux kernel on this thing.
to have a Beowolf cluster -- oh never mind!
Before people get too excited about topics such as SMP, kernel threads, and I/O devices -- it only partially boots on a mainframe emulator. This is a VERY LONG WAYS OFF from asking, "so where can I download the ISO images?".
Important reminder: *BSD is dying
a toy os that works on S/390 already, and fully supported by IBM,unlike FreebSD (which is dying and losing developers)
Only brainDEAD trolls post such crap.
Ah no. He stole that idea from Cato ("... and besides, nuke Carthargo..") and that girl who invented the use of repetition for advertising purposes.
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSDleader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dying
The question is not whether *BSDs are dying, but rather whether S/390s are dying.
Unix machines have had more processing power than S/390s for years now, but they did commonly not support block-mode terminals (like S/390's 3270), and therefore it was difficult to implement host-/terminal-based applications on unix-systems without causing too much network traffic.
AS/400's (aka iSeries 400) have got 5250-terminals, which are quite the same as the 3270's, but a few years ago AS/400's did not have as much processing power and/or disk capacity as mainframes. Recent AS/400's are mainly based on pSeries-like hardware, with the same powerful POWER4 processors, lots of cache memory and lots of main storage (RAM).
Since the biggest AS/400s are now more powerful than the biggest z/900 but also are more mainframe-like than the pSeries, it could be possible, that IBM is going to replace the S/390's with the more modern AS/400's.
Maybe it's because BSD is dead.
Hear that? It's death at the door coming to collect BSD's bloated corpse. Maybe it's carcas will be ground into something usefull, like a word processor.
Has anybody here seen my old friend Berkeley?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
He freed a lot of people but it seems the good die young
I just looked around and he's gone.
Has anybody here seen my old friend Software?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
He freed a lot of people but it seems the good die young
I just looked around and he's gone.
Has anybody here seen my old friend Distribution?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
He freed a lot of people but it seems the good die young
I just looked around and he's gone.
Didn't you love the things they stood for?
Didn't they try to find some good in you and me?
And we'll be free
Someday soon
It's gonna be one day
Has anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walking up o'er the hill
With Berkeley, Software and Distribution
You Jerk!
A close aquaintence of mine WROTE
386BSD!
Actually, if people wern't such idiots,
386BSD would be popular!
But, I must admit, other *BSD's than
386 are very crappy.
P.S. Do not insult 386BSD! Its the other
*BSD's that are bad!
Hardware is what you kick, Software is what you curse.
Just follow this guide.
o pp ies/doc/install.en.html
http://people.debian.org/~sgybas/deb390/boot-fl
Quick!!! Look!! Hell is freezing over!
You sure seem to have a hatred for *BSD. You remind me of those guys that post on stockmarket boards trying to drive the price down. Please tell us what you prefer. Linux? The bandwagon jumpers OS of choice? I'd rather run *BSD than dirty Linux distros any day.
the BSDs love you they are your friends (at least freebsd anyways) =*
this is my sig which appears at the bottom of my post
One major NetBSD guy has on his website (I forgot the link and his name) explaining why he believes NetBSD qualifies as being more widely ported as an entire Operating System than Linux. It is a good argument in my opinion, but it's basically semantics of what are you calling a "port".
NetBSD's ports are complete ports, with software source compatible across all ports, whereas alot of the listed Linux ports aren't even working.
It's BSD starting to decompose.
Look guys, I know you're attached to it, but face it; BSD is dead! Let it go. You'll feel much better.
It's not health to cling to it like this.