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Dealing with Abusive E-Mail?
sheetzam asks: "I am the manager of the mail system for a reasonable (3000 employees) sized media company. Recently a website has decided to post the e-mail addresses of a few of our employees, and suggest readers send those people abuse. We know we have no legal recourse for removing the e-mail addresses from the offending web site. We can't filter the abusive e-mail based on header information because it is coming from many places. Our only choice seems to be to change the person's e-mail address. If this were an abusive phone call, we'd know exactly how to handle it. But e-mail is quite different. How are others dealing with this?"
PIERST FOST!
Might be a good idea to contact the police, both where you are, and where the person who put this web site up is. This is just in case they get nasty and do something violent (could happen, don't take any chances). They might also be able to suggest some legal recourse.
Finally, why not post the URL for the website here on Slashdot? We'll knock them over in no time...
If so, you deserve everything you get. losers
Before I (and I imagine a fair few others) decide whether to lend a hand, I'd like to know why people are emailing you in a manner you seem abusive. Respond and put your side of the case forward, and show us the web site so we can make up our own mind.
You may perceive it as abuse, but it is also a chance to put across your side of the story.
The first thing to do is to route the incoming mail correctly. Many mail systems permit redirection of mail "by rule", including by content of the body of the message.
The first step is to do this is to ask all the people affected by this feedback campaign to forward these mails to a single mailbox, and then to analyse the messages for words they use. Typically, with campaign-type mails, people use very similar phrases to those used by the writer of the campaigning website. So, if the writer says, "Write to corporation X, and tell them to stop oppressing the natives of Peru", a shedload of people will write in and include the phrase, "Stop oppressing the natives of Peru!" in their message.
Set up a rule and reroute the messages to a "Unsolicited comment" file. Keep an eye on what gets through and what doesn't, and refine the approach.
The second thing to do is to take all these e-mail addresses, and create a mailing list for issues connected to your company. Get a note or two pumped out saying, "We at Megacorp X take your comments very seriously and are doing A and B about them. Please mail me, Mr Bigcheese if you have any other concerns you'd like to raise." Set up a website yourself and engage these people in debate.
If you just ignore what is happening, it is likely that a number of the correspondents will take the time and trouble to trash your reputation in the market place. Much better to manage the feedback and reach out to its senders.
"Well, put a stake in my heart and drag me into sunlight."
If it is abusive, then there are likely to be recognisable phrases or other patterns in the text. This will likely be particularly true if it is driven from one particular source.
My personal approach would be to write a quick perl program, and alias those e-mail addresses to that. If the program detected abuse, then the program could automatically reply expressing your point of view.
If no abuse was detected then you could just pass the e-mail through to the intended recipient at their new e-mail address, if you want.
This should take only a few hours to implement, max.
mailserver# shutdown -h now
No more abusive mails !
I don't speak the language but the address list suggests it might have to do with the attacks on Yugoslavia in 1999. They still list Bill Clinton as President and NATO officers are included in the list as well.
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This sounds like the kind of question a spamming company might ask.
E.g one of the ones listed on my Shitlist.
So what is this "media" company and why are people angry enough to send abusive emails?
no sig.
You said you work on a media company. RIAA and MPAA are the incarnation of evil, and totally abuse their consumers. Some media companies just push the limits and want to make rules, such as hacking into users machines looking for MP3s , making CD's that break computers, etc. This kind of stupid things MUST be fought.
E-mail and petitions can sometimes be the only weapons regular people have to fight something wrong.
Because of this fact, added to the fact that you didn't disclose your company name, nor exactly what idoes, chances are your company really deserves it. In this case, keep your head down and just accept it.
I can see why you want to stop these abusive emails, but you dont go into too much detail about why you are receiving them.
All the suggestions thus far have been sound, but deal with this current epidemic of abuse being active already and also for the forseeable future.
As others have pointed out, maybe blocking these mails isn't the answer, if its a problem with your method of business or who you are, then it would probably be more efficient to speak to the people with the offending website.
How many mails are we talking about anyway?
You can't force the web site to take the e-mail addresses down?
No problem!
Just post the site's URL here on /., and we'll take the web site down for ya. Of course, the first zillion slashdotters that manage to get through before the server catches fire will probably make use of those e-mail addresses...
Note to ACs: I usually delete AC replies without reading them. If you want to talk to me, log in.
--what happened to make some people put up a web page and to encourage people to contact these individuals in your company? this is a time honored technique with web forums and political activism, say to private companies, news people and agencies, politicians, etc. Hasn't this same thing been advocated here? Is your company and those people engaging in practices that insult or harm others FIRST, which resulted in this return email "abuse"? Or where they just picked at random for absolutely no reason to be come victims of the emails?
Legit questions not addressed in the parent post. I see neither any indication the company is the 'goodguys" or if the website is "the good guys" so far, so I have no other option than to ask for details. thanks.
Being a reasonable size media company, that you rely heavily on Microsoft products. There are numerous mail filtering packages, such as Mime Sweeper, that can filter these abusive messages rather effectively out of the box. For a Linux solution, you will have to do a lot more work but, it is still possible.
there is no legal resource, send them a few email bombs. I am guessing 20,000 or so a day for a week would do the trick.
Or you could do the data mine thing, and sick your legal department on them. You know, cease and desist orders, with a note saying that the local police (yours and theirs) has been notified.
Media company...
valenti@mpaa.org is one of the addresses?
-- Linus Torvalds
Did you ever think about getting in contact with them and maybe talking to them about the problem. It sounds like this guy/girl had and issue that did not get resolved, and resorted to using the only means they had, e-mail. Now we preach the power of such things here, and it looks like it is working. They got your attention, no? Now you did not give any specifics about your problem "why they are doing this" so I can't say that this is even something you want to do. There are not many people here that are going to feel sorry for a Media Company. It is even a good chance that the very person sending you this e-mail is from this community, and I find it ironic the one of the very "media corps" that many of the people here hate with a passion may be here asking the people causing the problem how to stop it. That is it thick baby.
Give us a clue about who you are, what you are doing to make this happen to you, and what steps you have taken on a social level to get fix the problem. You many have just open pandoras box because you may find no one here is very sympathetic to your plight.
Neck_of_the_Woods
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If the email are truly abusive, then I would treat them the same way I would a phone call campaign or letter campaign - call the police (I'm assuming here that abusive means threatening).
Treatening to sue is stupid - what grounds? But if the emails drift into the area of crack calls/treats/etc then the police are more than capable of dealing with this.
Hope this helps
Personally its not God I dislike, its his fan club I cant stand (bash.org)
It all started a couple of months ago, new neighbors moved in across the street. He was a traveling salesman that was gone most of the time. She was a corporate attorney who was taking some time off to tend to there 4 mo old baby who had become quite ill. My wife and I became friends with Steve and Vicki, and did things together socially. My wife and Vicki were friends and I kept An eye on things while Steve was away. It was a Saturday and I was out doing yard work, and had a tee time set for later in the afternoon and my wife had taken the kids to her mothers for the weekend. I was just finishing up, when I noticed Steve and Vicki's lawn was in need of attention, Steve had been gone for a couple of weeks out of the country and Vicki had been at the hospital again with the baby. Being the nice guy that I'm I went over and mowed their lawn. I had just finished trimming the edges and was gathering all my stuff up , when Vicki appeared on the porch, with a nice big glass of ice water, I had assumed no one was home and had planned on doing a good deed unnoticed. So much for that. I asked her how the baby was doing, and she started to cry, explaining that this time he was very ill and had been unable to nurse for a couple of days. I had noticed her breasts where extremely larger than normal, and probably explained why she was wearing one of Steve's dress shirts. We sat down on the bench in the coolness of the porch and talked about the problems with the baby. I had a hard time keeping my eyes off her breasts, especially when they showed signs of leaking. I asked her if I could do anything to help, She started to ask, but hesitated, I was finally able to coax out of her what she needed, She desperately needed to relieve her breasts and had brought home a breast pump from the hospital that she couldn't get to work.... So we went inside to have a look. I found the problem quickly, the batteries were in backwards. I changed them around and flipped the switch the pump hummed to life....she was a little red with embarrassment, with it being so simple a fix. I handed her the pump and she went to the kitchen, and I sat on the couch in the living room, telling her that I would wait and see if it worked ok.. I could hear her as she got ready to milk herself. Remembering my wife doing the same thing I began to get a hard on. I looked for something to take my mind off of the matter, as a good neighbor shouldn't be thinking like that(yeah right) I saw a new copy of a magazine on the table across the room I went and picked it up, as I looked up I saw a mirror that was in such a position that gave me a view of Vicki in the kitchen, that enabled me to watch her with out being seen, the shirt was unbuttoned and both breasts were fully exposed and what a sight it was. I have always been a breast man and would have to say these breast was one of the finest pair I had ever seen. I could tell she was struggling with the pump and only had a little of her mothers milk in the jar of the pump, I could also see the tears running down her cheeks as she tried in vain to relive her milk. After a few minutes of watching her I realized her problem her nipples were so big and protruding that the suction cup wasn't quite sealing off , so it couldn't build the suction to pump out the milk. I know because my wife had had the same problem. I return to my place on the couch and ask how she was doing, her answer came back in the form of her sobbing, and saying it wasn't working. I told her it was ok, and everything would be all right, I told her if my wife was here she could show you a trick we had developed when she had returned to work, and had wanted to continue breast feeding, (which was fine with me.)She laughed and asked...a trick you developed?? seemingly questioning my involvement in the matter. With that I walked into the kitchen catching her off guard, she quickly covered up her engorged breasts, saying what are you doing? I told her that since my wife wasn't there to help, I would teach her the trick. I picked up the pump and removed the jar, and set the baby bottles in a row, and just in case there was more then enough to fill the bottles, which once again looking Vicki's enlarged breasts I fully suspected more than enough. I had her hold one of the bottles and I stood behind her overlooking her shoulder and reached around her grabbing her right breast, I told her to hold the bottle up and I squeezed her nipple ever so gently, she let out a sigh as I stroked the extended nipple and it began to expel the milk, at the sight she started to sob a sob of great relief, and my cock harden to its full mast and pressed against her butt, I could tell she could feel it as she tensed up, I told her to relax and continued to hand milk her breasts, and full she was, I could tell the right tit was about empty and we moved to the left one, this put my cock more centered on her butt but she no longer was tense, she commented that she didn't think the right one was empty yet, I said I know we'll get back to that later she looked up at me with a puzzled look, and I just smiled , knowing that what was left was for me!!! as I continued to milk her I could hardly contain myself at the sight of these breasts of my neighbors in my hands, she showed obvious signs of relief and she thanked me over and over for helping her, I said I was just being a good neighbor... by this time I had began rubbing my hard cock against her ass, and could smell her wetness so I took one of my hands to see how wet, when mine hand arrived to her pussy she tensed again and tried to pull away,asking what I was doing. I said I was checking to see how this milking was making her react, I couldn't believe how wet she was, by this time the left breast was almost empty and the last bottle was full so I took it and set it down. I turned her towards me looking at the now smaller but still quite large tits and exclaimed now its time to empty them all the way, she said she didn't have any more bottles, I smiled and said we don't need any more bottles, again she looked puzzled, I just bent over and put my mouth to her breasts and began emptying the left one as I played with her pussy through her shorts, she at first tried to pull away but quickly relented and began to enjoy herself. I noticed that she was breathing hard and her pussy began to gush as a big orgasm ripped trough body I had to act quick as she slumped to the floor to catch her before she hit I manage to get her to the couch, as I laid her down I looked into her startled eyes, I then realized that this could have been her first, so I asked her if it was she said she had never felt anything remote to this, nor had she ever had her tits sucked, I was dumbfounded, how could a man married to this lady never had sucked them, didn't he know what a good thing he had, we talked for a few minutes as she recovered from the emotional roller coaster of the day, she told me of the boring sex life they had the husband was gone so much and when he was home he was to busy to spend any time with it, settling for as she said a wham bam thank you maam. So I asked her if she had ever been satisfied sexually she said no, but I really haven't had much of sexual life to compare with,I was amazed here was a lady that most men probably wished they could have, and allot fantasized about, who today had her first full orgasm. I felt like beating the shit out of her husband, how dare he not take care of his wife properly. By this point she had tears running down her cheeks I leaned forward and kiss them off and moved down her neck back to her breasts sucking what was left out of them, how I missed the mother milk, after they were bone dry ( I wasn't about to leave a drop)I continued down reaching her belly button I spent a few minutes there, it was clear she had never had a tongue there before, I continued my ascent and started to kiss her pussy through her shorts she wasn't sure what to do and once again I got her to relax I pulled down her shorts and went back to eating her sopping wet pussy through her panties, which were drenched,it didn't take long for her to cum again I told to let it all out and she let out the loudest wail I ever had heard , and her body convulsed as I continued to lick her flowing juices, by this time it was all I could do to hold my load back, I climbed back up and slide my throbbing cock in to her pussy. Vicki clearly enjoyed it, exclaiming wow your so big, I didn't consider my self much more then average, so as I rammed her wet box she told me how small her hubbies dick was, (now I could have guessed that)and that she never had felt so good I could sense her building up to another strong orgasm I told her to tell me when she was going to have it, after a couple of minutes she once again let out a loud wail and I proceeded to spew my hot load into her at the same time she continue to have those little after tremors for a number of minutes , as I could feel her pulsating pussy on my cock . We laid there for a few minutes and she feel asleep I got up and covered her up with a lite blanket and put my shorts back on, put a couple of bottles in the frig and the rest in the freezer. When I showed up barely in time for my tee time my buddies asked what the big smile for. oh nothing just been helping a neighbor out, I remarked When I returned home the phone rang it was vicki asking me if I could come help her again, I said no problem I'll be right over. After we had filled some more bottles this time leaving more for me, as I sucked her tits this time she asked how it tasted,I kept some in my mouth and brought it up to hers lips and kissed her and let her taste it, she replied it does taste so sweet, I went back to sucking her tits, and then had an idea. I stopped and looked up she ask what was the matter I took a tit in my hand and pointed her nipple up, at the same I grabbed the back off her head and pulled it down, she fought at first but like always quickly relented as I made sure her lips met with her nipples, the look in her eyes told me she liked that and she quickly emptied her own tit and switched to the other quickly emptying that one. When she was finished she looked up smiling as she went through another orgasm. When that had subsided I asked her to suck me dry!. Once again she looked surprised and asked what I meant , I told to relax and not worry as I sat her down and pulled out my cock and slid it into her mouth and instructed her on how to milk a man, she was hesitant at first but quickly got into the rhythm of it and soon I was unloading my load down her throat and remarkabley she didn't miss a beat or a drop, when she was sure I was dry she stopped and look up,licking her lips and said thank for being so helpful I smiled and said you can call me anytime, she grinned and said she would as she pushed me back on to the couch and mounted my still hard cock and fucked me like I had never been fucked. She sure had changed that day but I don't complain, I like being a good neighbor and she has since refereed some of her friends from the hospital for my services,of the milkman and occasionally she comes to help. But that my friends is a whole different story!! And she has divorced her husband, because according to her, I'm the man!!!!!!!!
well, what exactly does your "media" company do? My old "media" company sent borderline spam. Thats why i quit. And if they had targeted me with their "opt-in" lists, you better fscking believe they'd get some abusive e-mail from me... take a serious look at those "abusive" e-mails. Why are they getting sent in the first place?
If you treated your customers with even an ounce of respect, they wouldn't have such a big hard-on to take you out.
Companies like yours make me sick.
Bastard.
The people sending abusive email, assuming they are actually offensive, are almost certainly violating their Term of Service or Acceptable Usage Policy. Complaining to their ISP will almost cetainly result a termination of service.
Before I (and I imagine a fair few others) decide whether to lend a hand, I'd like to know why people are emailing you in a manner you seem abusive. Respond and put your side of the case forward, and show us the web site so we can make up our own mind.
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Whilst I also wondered, I did my own research/data mining and turned up rather than jumping to conclusions.
1) The poster sheetzam[at]earthlink.net also posted these messages.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=
These suggest he is Anthony M Sheetz, the postmaster or SysOp for the Washington post.
This search seems to confirm this.
In 90 Seconds we seem to have confirmed, this is not junk emailer, troll and has nothing to do with RIAA/MPI. Indeed it would seem to be a legit bastion of free press.
Hey his email address is at earthlink, I'm sure i get tonnes of abusive emails from that spamming company every day.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
"For instance, I would never work on a tobacco company, because I simply don't agree with killing people."
I'm sure you have mad hax0r skillz and could get a job *anywhere* even in this economy but not everyone has that option. A lot of people have things like car payments, mortgages/rent, and children.
If I had to work for a tobacco company to feed my children, then so be it. Idealism doen't put food on the table.
There's always the "delete" button. But that lets uppity (readers? viewers? listeners?) off the hook too easily.
If there is any way you can determine the emailers' places of employment (from the email address or info included in the signature), why not forward their letters to their employers?
Put the fear of losing their jobs in 'em. It's a great way to silence critics.
There is the generic form letter. Nothing says, "I don't care. Go away. Here's my answer" like a form letter does. But it really doesn't generate good PR.
I think the BEST thing to do is to get someone in there who is totally unrelated to what is being complained about. Have them get touchy-feely and converse with them. Tell them you can see their concern and want to know more about it. From there, you could actually learn something, or throw it all in the trash. But if you take it as an opportunity, instead of a problem, you can turn those lemons into lemonade.
Hate mail is probably the best way to show the mettle of your company. Flame back? Ignore it? Standard reply? Embrace it? You choose.
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