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Tonight Slashback brings you updates (below) on the video card ATi isn't really putting out, home-brewed electronic multi-room temperature control, NPR's linking policy, and more. Enjoy!

Welcome to the Fantasy Hardware League Regarding our post on the allegedly upcoming Radeon 8500 MAXX, reader eyelove yu writes: "This pic is fake, as many people have suspected. HardOCP.com (on front page) quoted Rubeena Hussein of ATi as saying,'"We have no current intentions of making this or similar boards.'"

Soon we will be able to assemble an entire system created in Photoshop. Yay.

Or you could roll down the windows ... vt@home writes: "As a followup to the earlier story, here is a system that not only allows to monitor the temperature throughout the house and draw nice charts, but also does already have computer controlled vents and even allows to control the A/C unit. Basically, this is a do-it-yourself zoning system, for under $500. Of course, the source is GPLd ;)"

Next week, the sidewalks will practically be free for public use. juanfe writes: "It's not like they really had any power to enforce their previous one, but NPR modified their Terms of Use on June 27. Now, linkers do not have to submit a form asking for permission, but NPR "reserve the right to withdraw permission for any link". More commentary from others.

Nothing like hundreds of angry bloggers threatening to withhold membership contributions to their local station."

Raising a stink to the power of 10. Snarfangel writes "After seeing Yet Another Slashdot Article extolling the virtues of meretricious metrification ("Isn't it Time for Metric Time?"), I decided to fight back the only way I know how -- by subjecting an innocent website to the Slashdot effect: This site goes into great detail about the importance of being Ernst (or at least Max Karl Ernst Ludwig) Planck, especially his system of units that only depend the fundamental constants of the universe -- the speed of light, the gravitational constant, the Planck constant, and the charge of the electron. With appropriate scaling, you get a unified measurement system that is not only more logical than Le Systeme International d'Unites, but is also much better for calculating physics problems in your head.

After all, if we are going to go to all the effort to change our measurement system, why not use that same effort and get the system *right* the first time?"

On a different note, Colin LeMahieu writes "I noticed your post on metric time. I stumbled across this while looking for various computer timing related articles and found it pretty interesting. This might not be as popular as metric time, but it seems to make more sense. The whole system is based on time as a fraction of a day; it even has the scientific measurment on how to re-produce the time, as with any scientific measurement."

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  1. Of course by gusnz · · Score: 5, Funny

    We always knew that the existing measurement system was thicker than two short Plancks :).

    1. Re:Of course by Abreu · · Score: 2

      Thousands of years?

      Havent I told you millions of times not to exagerate?

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  2. Look at the pic of the Radeon "MAXX" by Cutriss · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Specifically, look at the screws on the heatsinks of each GPU. They're at exactly the same orientation on both. Someone copied the one on the left, shrunk it a bit for proportion, and copied it onto the card after rearranging the PCB a bit. Notice also the distortion in the upper surface of the heatsink, where it doesn't mesh very well with the voltage regulator behind/above it.

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    1. Re:Look at the pic of the Radeon "MAXX" by Fjord · · Score: 2

      I agree that the picture was faked, but I think it's important to note that just because the picture was faked doesn't mean it wasn't a leak. Companies put together draft pictures like this all the time for their sales efforts.

      Of course, I tend to believe ATI when they say it's all a hoax.

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  3. Re:Start with changing time slices by Papa+Legba · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's all well and good until our managers start making us catalogue were we spent our time , at all times, by the tick....

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  4. fundamental constants by s20451 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What if fundamental constants of the universe turn out not to be constant?

    My car gets 50 rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it.

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    1. Re:fundamental constants by jbuhler · · Score: 5, Funny

      > My car gets 50 rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it.

      That would be roughly 0.0025 miles/gallon. What do you drive, a Sherman tank?

    2. Re:fundamental constants by maxume · · Score: 2

      It seems more consistant to quote that as 400 gallons per mile, at least to me. but then again, who the fuck careS?

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    3. Re:fundamental constants by t · · Score: 2
      I figured that out too after reading the Simpsons Math page. I decided that the value could be semi valid for the type of car that Grandpa Simpson could have had when he was teenager.

      t.

    4. Re:fundamental constants by MrResistor · · Score: 2

      My car gets 50 rods to the hogshead and that's the way I likes it

      That's nothin! Mine gets 285 leagues to the oxhaft! Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, sonny!

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  5. I always wondered about units of measurement... by gusnz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...and why this hasn't already happened.

    The meter, for instance, was originally defined as one ten-millionth of the distance between the north pole and the south pole. Although now the Earth has been measured more accurately so it's off by a bit, and it's now defined by the length light travels in a vacuum in a very short time.

    But really, why are we basing measurements on all these arbitrary values anyway? Like the Imperial system originated from the dimensions of some king's thumb or similar, pretty much every measurement ever devised and in common everyday use is derived from non-universal values, which have no practical upshot -- if we want to measure the Earth, we're going to include some decimal places anyway.

    Personally I think this, if adopted, would make scientific calculations a bit easier. It's annoying to have to remember several different conversion constants for gravity, charge, gas constant (8.314 or similar?), and so on. And perhaps without all the continual conversions, relationships between different physical principles might become more readily apparent...?

    But I guess the downside is that some calculations are always going to have funny conversion constants, especially in the non-Physics world (Avogadro's number in chemisty perhaps for instance?). So even though the metric system isn't perfect, it's the standard so we might as well use it (although this could be the web developer in me speaking). It would be too much change for too little benefit to rescale the entire number system -- convincing the general populace would be just about impossible, especially considering how much trouble some countries are still having adjusting to the metric system ;).

    1. Re:I always wondered about units of measurement... by bcrowell · · Score: 3, Insightful
      But really, why are we basing measurements on all these arbitrary values anyway?
      The standards are chosen so that they're easy to reproduce accurately. If you're doing ultra-high-precision work, using the Planck system wouldn't even be an option, because G, in particular, is known with very poor accuracy. BTW, c now has a defined value in the metric system, but they waited to do it until technology made it a better standard than the previous one. There's also talk of defining the kilogram in terms of a certain number of atoms of a certain isotope, but right now atom-counting is a less accurate standard than the famous platinum-iridium cylinders in Paris.

      Many physicists do use natural units (systems of units where certain constants equal 1) very often for certain types of calculations. If you're doing relativistic stuff, it's much easier to work with a system where c=1. If you're one of the hardy souls working on quantum gravity, then you do indeed use the Planck system, simply because it makes all the equations simpler. But there isn't any advantage to the Planck system unless you're doing research in quantum gravity.

    2. Re:I always wondered about units of measurement... by LinuxCumShot · · Score: 2, Informative
      nice try but even wronger...

      history of the meter

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    3. Re:I always wondered about units of measurement... by os2fan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Back in the seventies, I played around with a system where the principle fundemental constants were powers of 10, eg

      light speed = 1,000,000,000 ft/s
      elect const = 0.000 000 001 'F' / ft
      magnt const = 0.000 000 001 'H' / ft
      gravitation = 0.000 000 001 lb s^2 / ft^3

      Such a system is easy to set up, and produces practical sized units. The nifty thing about this is that one could convert pounds and coulombs with a foot ruler, since the size of the foot, pound, and charge unit directly is in proportion to time. So a mars-ruler laid up against an earth-ruler converts pounds etc. The replacement for Volts, Ohms Watts, and Amperes are not changed from planet to planet. The only trouble is that the thing's hard to set up for practical use.

      On the other hand, I did try to look for a 'better' system. I did manage to get eight constants working in a google-system. In essence, the process of dimensional analysis is to let things like L, M, T and I have numeric values, being powers of 10^100. The set I used after much study is L=1E1100, M=1E73300, T=1E100, Q=1E32200. So a kilowatt is 1E75203. One can then work with a wide range of units, eg tonne = E73303 becomes coherent.

      You can do the same thing with the fine structure constant, and an assortment of natural constants as well. Instead of powers of 10, you use powers of 137.0359895, or its square root. The relevant units are:

      L 1K1100 = 137.036 bohr radii
      M 1K73300 = 137.036^2 electron mass
      T 1K100 so that c = 1K137.036^3
      Q 1K32200 = 137.036 electron charge
      t 1 th so that m_e c^2 / k = 137^4

      These units refers to one boron-sized molecule at atmospheric pressue, ~ 10 K. Most of the numbers come out as they should: avagadro's number in this system is 10.3 (ie 137.036/1868).

      It still does won't be used in science because of the way scientists works. Something like "cgs units" or "atomic units" is of their name.

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    4. Re:I always wondered about units of measurement... by tunah · · Score: 2

      some calculations are always going to have funny conversion constants, especially in the non-Physics world (Avogadro's number in chemisty perhaps for instance?).

      Er... Avogadro's number is just defined in terms of grams (12g of carbon=1 mole, 1 mole=[Avogadro's number] atoms). If we switched units we would automatically get a new value, possibly a nice clean one. Or we could just change 1 mol=10^21 atoms.

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    5. Re:I always wondered about units of measurement... by spasm · · Score: 2

      well, at least the metric system is internally consistent (unlike that other thing): 1 cm cubed of water weighs 1 gram and it takes 1 joule of energy to raise its temerature by 1 degree celcius. nice, huh.

    6. Re:I always wondered about units of measurement... by dsb3 · · Score: 2

      > If we want to measure the Earth, we're going to include some decimal places anyway.

      Not me. I reckon it's 1.00000 earthins (diameter), or 1.00000 earthons (circumference).

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    7. Re:I always wondered about units of measurement... by forkboy · · Score: 2

      It would just be a matter of figuring out how much 12g is in Planck mass. The definition of the mole is the number of atoms contained in precisely 12g of the most commonly occuring isotope of Carbon. (That number being about 6.022x10^23 atoms) As you can see, it wasn't picked arbitrarily, there really is a basis for that number.

      It would be easier said than done trying to find another element that had an integer for the atomic mass of it's most common isotope as well as containing 6.022x10^23 atoms, hence the definition of the mole would change.

      Not that there ever WILL be a change to this system of measurement, but if in some alternate dimension there was, I'm betting that they'd just use the Planck-mass that is the equivalent of 12g of carbon.

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    8. Re:I always wondered about units of measurement... by SEE · · Score: 2

      The reason that carbon-12 has an integral number of atomic mass units is that the AMU is defined in terms of the isotope Carbon-12, instead of being the mass of any actual subatomic particle. Protons are 1.0072766 AMU, neutrons are 1.0086654 AMU.

    9. Re:I always wondered about units of measurement... by Alsee · · Score: 2

      [meter] now defined by the length light travels in a vacuum in a very short time.

      Yep. Any distance less than 1,860,000 miles (3*10^9 meters) is one meter.

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    10. Re:I always wondered about units of measurement... by spasm · · Score: 2

      "Actually, 1 cc of water weighs about 1/100 of a newton, and one calorie will raise the cc of water by 1 degree celcius (about 4.2 joules)."

      newtons are a measure of force - m.kg.s^-2. or are you getting technical about weight vs mass? but I stand corrected about the 4.2 joules bit. that'll teach me to post on the basis of 15 year old memories of high school physics. : )

    11. Re:I always wondered about units of measurement... by alienmole · · Score: 2

      Actually, it'll appear to take forever from your point of view, but from my point of view with my bicycle speedometer reading 1 billion nano-c, the trip would appear instantaneous (zero time). But no matter which way you look at it, my fundamental problem is that I can't seem to pedal fast enough...

  6. Re:Dual ATI board by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    You don't understand how it works. The way it would work (based on ATi's MAXX technology) is one chip would draw one frame, and the other chip the next frame, and so on. The reason they scrapped the technology was (if I heard correctly) that it wouldn't work correctly on NT Kernel based OS'es, due to some kind of limitation on hardware communication or something. It's similar to 3dfx's SLI technology they used on their Voodoo2 and Voodoo5 lines of cards, which effectively doubled the power just by adding another chip.

  7. And how about luminance system based on Polaris? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    It doesn't matter how constant you think something is, it'll be disproven in 50 years anyway. Full (metric) speed ahead!

  8. Useful Slashdot Constants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Number of Good Articles: 0
    Number of Trolls: infinity
    Number of Spelling Mistakes/Article: 2
    Number of First Posts: 1
    Number of Wasted Work Hours per Day: 8
    Number of Linux Zealots: 2418
    Number of Mac OS X Lovers: 10
    Number of Microsoft Believers: 1
    Number of Bible Commandments Worth Following: 3

    Being able to pay with your Microsoft Passport: priceless

  9. Fake graphics and dual GPU cards by yakfacts · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This time, the fake GPU card would have fooled me. There are a couple things that look wrong, but it was a good enough job that I would have been fooled had I not known it was a fake.

    There was a fake post here in 2000 where somebody took an Adaptec 2940 card and tweaked it a bit, then claimed it was a Russian-surplus vector-based supercomputer-on-PCI card. Ignoring the fact that the fake graphic was obvious (you could still see the Adaptec logo and QC stickers on the card), I could not believe people would fall for a "cray on a chip" from Russian surplus. While Russia is a fine country with a great history, they are not known for their high-tech electronics. This is the same country that was still uses tube computers and radios in the mid-1990s, and used to buy new pinball machines just so they could pull the 68000 CPUs. If the Russians had any infrastructure to develop such a bleeding-edge device, the certainly would not be selling it. I posted my feelings then and got flamed for it.

    But I could fall for the ATI card. ATI has a history of Dual-GPU cards. I strongly disagree with the poster who said "dual is not as good"; depending on how it is done, it can be much better. Don't use Windows NT as your baseline for multiprocessor applications. Design an application (in this case, a driver) that expects to see certain CPUs in certain places and hardware that automagically divides the load. There are good ways to do this if you ALWAYS know what sort of hardware resources you will have. Systems that don't (standard Windoze or Linux applications) will suffer greatly as they try to adapt on-the-fly.

    1. Re:Fake graphics and dual GPU cards by toybuilder · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Do you have a link/biblio-reference to the info about the Russians buying the pinball machines?

      One of my favorite Russian-CS-is-screwed is the story about the metric chips... This Byte article alludes to the original story... In short, the Russians stole western-technology and produced knock-off copies using "the metric inch" -- except when their poor-quality copied failed, they couldn't use real (stolen?) chips to repair their machines.

    2. Re:Fake graphics and dual GPU cards by yakfacts · · Score: 2

      Sorry, this was back in 1989 or so. I don't remember where I read it, but if I find it I'll post it here.

  10. Re:It was photoshop.....or was it? by pjwhite · · Score: 2, Interesting

    According to a tag within the file, it was Adobe Photoshop 7.0 that was used.

  11. [Mod Parent Down Please!] by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What a load of rubbish. No one will read this reply as I post as AC, but spoofing DNS or a web site is trivial. *Anyone*, anywhere *in the path* between a Mac box and either a root DNS server or any apple website (or akamai'd copy) can fsck-up your Mac.

    Even outside the path, it's possible to 'poison' many DNS resolvers (including maybe the one on your Mac), but even without that approach, every router, proxy, transparent cache or other link can be subverted and made to feed you trojan content.

    Having your web connection subverted happens to you almost every click - I'm certain your ISP has a transparent cache, which just served you this article. How do you know it didn't serve you a bogus page with some Internet Exploder 'sploit embeded in it? Maybe the whole internet came from one PC on the other end of that phone line - did you go out and check it all yourself?

    The simplest way around this is for Apple to sign their software packages, using their private key, and for you to check that signature (or your Mac to do it for you when it installs) against the public key distributed on every genuine Mac install CD (or verified by 'out-of-band' means).

    This works fin for every other sensible packaging scheme (rpm uses gpg/pgp, for example), and even Mickey$oft have got the hang of it.

    You could use 'ssl' (https) to access the Apple site as an alternative, but simply signing packages works best, because then it doesn't matter how you obtain them - ftp, http, cdrom, floppy, email, kazaa, ed2k. If the signature doesn't match, don't install it.

    The issue then, is of Apples' disdain for simple, proven and widely used security measures, not one of having to have /.ers re-invent the wheel yet again.

  12. Finally, useful units! by ke4roh · · Score: 2, Interesting
    My favorite argument for the U.S. measurement system was the utility of the units - measurements of practical lengths based on things we have handy (like feet), practical volumes (like gallons (think "buckets")), and so on.

    Take a look at the Planck units - oddly enough, they work out to be particularly meaningful (equivalencies here are approximate see the write-up for specifics):

    • new meter ("finger") = 1.616 cm
    • pace = 100 new meters = 5.3 feet
    • new mile = 1000 paces = U.S. mile
    • gallon = (U.S. gallon + British gallon) / 2
    • new gram = 3/4 oz (mass)
    • new minute = .9 minutes
    and so on. Now the U.S. can skip over metric and go straight to Planck units. Brilliant!

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  13. "Metric" just means "a measurement standard" by Perianwyr+Stormcrow · · Score: 2

    In fact, "metric measurement" is redundant, unless you're measuring systems of measurement.

    The words "meter" and "metric" are both derived from Greek by way of Latin and French.

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  14. Deep Linking solution by peterdaly · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is possible, if you don't want deep linking, to just redirect to the homepage if the "referrer" isn't a site of yours.

    It's not rocket science. I have seen people protect linked javascript code that way, why not "deep" pages? That way they don't have to write a usage policy to cover their wishes, it is a technical solution.

    -Pete

    1. Re:Deep Linking solution by stripes · · Score: 2
      I think you missed my point. Once my browser gets the file it caches it locally. I can retrieve the file from my cache. Can you stop that?

      Once you come through the front page to see the item, I'm pretty happy, even if you decide to later look at a cached version, or a print out. I'm less happy if you give the deep link to all your friends and they skip the front page.

      Or at least that is the opinions I got from some people that wanted to prevent deep linking a few years ago. For my personal content so long as you link to one of my HTML pages that's fine (my JPGs, not so much). They should all have up links. More over they are all gone since I left UUNET, but that's another story.

      Mostly I don't so much care if people deep link to my stuff, or well designed commercial works. It's how the web was designed. Framing another site's stuff though, that is a rip off.

  15. Nice .sig by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    but it would have been nicer if you'd converted it for this post.

  16. Re:I figured out how they made the Dual GPU image. by sirsnork · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The [H] on the image is the HardOCP watermark thing that they place on any images on their site. So it wasn't there before they got it.. Other than that.. good post :-)

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  17. Re:"Timing" of screws by CharlieG · · Score: 5, Informative

    That would be called "Timing" of the screws. In a lot of old finely made mechanical items (watches, guns) the screws ARE timed - the slots ALL line up exactly the same way. it was a craftsmanship thing

    That said, with todays CNC milling machines that have what is called "Rigid tapping", or if the threads are "thread milled", it happens all the time, the tap goes in the same way each time, so if the screws are all made the same, all the screw heads come out the same. Looks strange, but it does happen

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  18. Re:don't you mean decimal time? by alienmole · · Score: 4, Informative
    doesn't the word metric come from meter? or is it the other way around?

    Neither, really, although it's true that the "metric system" is based on the meter as one of the fundamental units of measure. But both words ultimately derive from the Greek word "metron", meaning "measure". That's why the little dials that measure your electricity usage, for example, are also called "meters", and why software developers use the term "metrics" to refer to measurable aspects of their systems.

    surely the correct term is 'decimal' and not 'metric' time.

    "Metric time" is presumably meant to imply that the system of time in question would properly belong to the metric system of units. But you'd be correct in assuming there's nothing intrinsic about "metric time" that relates it to the "metric system", other than that both systems rely heavily on powers of 10.

  19. Re:Dual ATI board by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 2

    3dFX's SLI technology had two Voodoo2 cards working in tandem, one rendering even scanlines, the other rendering odd scanlines. Hence, Scan Line Interleave.

    The tech used in the Voodoo3, 4 and 5, who's name escapes me, would break the screen up into X number of sections and hand each section to a different chip. In theory, you could scale this up to however far you'd like. As I recall, though, the 6500 card, with four chips, (TMI or TDI or somesuch, it was called) required a wallwart and a wall socket.

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  20. here is the link... by edrugtrader · · Score: 2, Informative

    here is the link to the picture of the fake radeon

    FAKE!

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  21. Arbitrary Units by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm all for starting with universal constants, but the fact remains that no matter what you start with, the units you use will remain arbitrary. Unless we want to divide time by exactly a "Planck interval of time", we're going to be scaling it. So maybe a Planck unit of time is a universal constant , but if we still use "Planck Minutes", "Planck Hours", etc, it is still arbitrary. The problem is "to the power of ten" is _not_ a universal standard. In fact our entire base-ten system is just as arbitrary as our day/24 system.
    So a day isnt a universal constant. So what? Saying that we divide it by 24 is no more or less arbitrary than saying that a Planck minute is 10% shorter than a 'regular' minute. Why not multiply the Planck unit by 11 instead of 10? Wouldnt that just about clear up the 10%? [yes, I know, ~11.111, so sue me. The point is that the two are just as arbitrary]
    I wasnt going to say anything, but then I took a glance at the Hex-Clock page, which actually suggested that 16 divisions were somehow less arbitrary than 24 divisions. Is there somebody out there who actually believes this?
    I, personally, like the idea of using universal constants as the basis for some time scales. But to suggest that this somehow makes the way we talk about time non-arbitrary, that seems far-fetched.

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    1. Re:Arbitrary Units by os2fan · · Score: 2

      On the other extreme, you could go for a base-120 system like this.

      second = 20 thirds (day = 120^3 thirds)
      metre = 40.8 inches (so g = 1 in/th/th)
      kilogram = 68 ounces (so 1 cu in water = 1 oz)
      kelvin = 17424 seconds, so 100dC = 121*120^s sec

      In this system

      1 ozf = 1 oz in/th^2
      1 'cal' = 1 oz in^2 / th^2

      g = 1 in/th/th = 9.80392156 m/s
      d = 1 oz/cu in = 998.784 kg/m3
      j = 1 erg/oz t = 4186.8512 J/kg K

      The thermal, gravitational and absolute systems coinside, and the units are much better than the CGS: 1 W = 14.14944 power units. 1 KW = 0.9826 * 120^2 power units.

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    2. Re:Arbitrary Units by SEE · · Score: 2

      Sure. Adopting either replacement system (metric or "new metric" Planck) is changing the measurement system to match our base-10 number system. At least Planck-based "new metric" units do the job more consistently than SI units.

      And even if we went with powers-of-two on the grounds that it's less arbitrary since the universe has lot of polarity/duality to it, scaling the units to something useful for humans is arbitrary, too.

  22. Re:It was photoshop.....or was it? by Patrick13 · · Score: 2

    yah... with the new vaporware tool, I find that photoshop 7 allows me to create corporate FUD in half the time it used to take.

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  23. Looks real by itwerx · · Score: 2

    The upper left and lower right screws actually do NOT quite match. And what about the fan power connector? That looks pretty durn real. The silk-screening around it looks pretty clean too.
    -shrug-
    I'm no photoshop guru (I prefer Gimp :).

  24. Fake Card Story May have Affected ATI Share Price by frank249 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I wonder why someone went to all the trouble to fake the photo and leak phony specs? It could have been part of a plan to manipulate ATI's stock price. Look at the hourly stock price chart for ATI today. ATI (ATY on TSE) opened this morning at $10.70cdn and by 10:30 am was down slightly to $10.60. The story came out on slashdot at 10:30 and within an hour had risen to its daily high of $11.08 but then closed down .23 at $10.52. Not a big spike but someone could have made money on this.

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  25. Re:Think it out before entering paranoid frenzy by stripes · · Score: 2
    I haven't seen the bugtraq posting, but I've read the posting on Macslash, and nowhere does it make the claim that this attack has been proven to work. Instead, the claim is made that because Software Update uses port 80, the attack must be possible.
    [...]
    The hole exists _only_ if there is no client-side authentication of what's been downloaded.

    The authentication is either non-existent, or very weak. You can get fake update packages that are really backdoors and the updater will install them if you trick it into taking them. This guy used ARP spoofing which requires you to be on the same physical network. Maybe fairly safely outside the building via 802.11, but still on the same network. Or at least already have cracked another machine on that network.

    So yeah, I would say Apple needs to get it's act together and start signing it's stuff, and make the updater support signed packages. If they store the keys in the normal keychain that could even let 3rd parties using Apple's normal installer (assuming you check in the install app, not update!) do "more secure" updates. Of corse the better OSX apps are just "drag into place", and don't use an installer...

  26. If I install a GPL'ed zoning system... by tlambert · · Score: 4, Funny

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  27. Vinge's Second-based TIme by DoctorFrog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In "A Deepness in the Sky" Vernor Vinge uses seconds throughout the novel. If he wants to refer to a little over a quarter hour it's one kilosecond, a megasecond comes to about eleven and a half days, an Earth year is about 31.5 megaseconds... I found it actually quite easy to convert in my head by the end of the novel.

    1. Re:Vinge's Second-based TIme by Chelloveck · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I really liked this system too, especially for a space-faring culture which has no need for marking time as integer fractions of the rotation of an arbitrary blue-green planet. Seems to me that it'll make a whole lot of sense to use something like this when we get permanent off-planet colonies. (Especially Martian colonies, where a day is close enough to an Earth day for the residents to live by the Martian light/dark cycle, but just enough off to bollox calendars between there and mother Earth.)

      Of course, my favorite part about this system is Vinge's description of when the calendar began...

      Second by second, the Qeng Ho counted from the instant that a human had first set foot on Old Earth's moon. But if you looked at it still more closely... the starting instant was actually some hundred million seconds later, the 0-second of one of Humankind's first computer operating systems.

      "Beginning of the epoch" indeed!

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  28. Re:Pentium Pentium is coming out! by AnimeFreak · · Score: 2

    The 8088 was a different processor from the 8086 and 80186.

  29. Re:It was photoshop.....or was it? by ceejayoz · · Score: 3, Informative

    Affiliate link? lol... nice try.

  30. Not too many physicists on the street by LuYu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While a system that would depend on "the fundamental constants of the universe" is a great idea, I do not think most people on the street care to do physics problems in their head.

    Rather, they will be concerned with something that regulates their behavior as greatly as the rotation of the Earth. Not fixing the time to the cycle of a day would confuse most people. Imagine having to go to work at a different time every day of the year.

    This second time system also has a problem. While it looks very interesting, it is base 16. The entire argument was proposed over finding a base 10 system of time. Adding a base 16 time system to the metric system would be a step toward returning the metric system to something like the English Imperial System. Such a system would only be good for computers since it works no nicely with binary numbers. But if that is to be done with time, why not recreate the entire metric system for computers and base it on 16 and not 10?

    However, when arbitrarily choosing a time system to replace the current one, the choice should probably be something made for people. Base 10 works well for those of use without physics degrees or wetware interfaces, and it fits into the original scheme of the metric system.

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  31. Metric History by os2fan · · Score: 3, Informative

    The metric system was designed using the leading metrological thinking of the day, with decimals applied. It was not the only system around, there were more logical ones available. The two systems I show in parallel.

    ANGLE
    m circle -> 400 degrees -> 100 min -> 100 s
    g circle -> 360 degrees -> 60 min -> 60 s

    LENGTH.
    The nautical and itenery length are the same, based on a minute arc on some circle of the earth.

    m minute = kilometre = 1000 metres
    g minute = mile = 1000 fathoms -> 6 feet -> 12 in & c An ell of 20 inches makes 1 mph = 1 ell/s

    The km is too short, this from selecting the smallest value and underestimating it. The mile of 6080 ft Imperial, is closer to the mean.

    AREA
    For the sale of land, a unit of area is named. Normally square measure is used.

    m are = 100 sq metres. 1 sq km = 10,000 are
    g acre = 1000 sq fathoms. 1 sq mile = 1,000 acres.

    The unit suggested here is a comma-unit: ie 12,345 sq fathoms = 12.345 acres.

    VOLUME
    Cubic measure is used to express volume measured by linear extent.

    m stere = 1 cu m
    g acre-foot = 1000 tuns = 36000 cu ft
    tun = 36 cu ft

    CAPACITY
    For volume measured by bulk comparison (eg pouring), a more accurate system is used.

    m litre = 0.001 cu m
    g tun = 240 gallons, etc

    WEIGHT (Mass)
    For this, the basic weight is intended to be a capacity of water, under some conditions. In practice, a prototype is manufactured to fall in the range.

    m 1 litre = 1 kg [This had a name "grave"]
    g 1 tun = 2400 lb of 16 oz etc... = 0.972 lb

    FINE WEIGHTS
    This is a combination of the apothecaries, troy and other small measures. The pound is divided into 15 troy oz, and then according to the troy and apothecaries ounces respectively.

    Standards were originally defined in terms of the jewellers weights, as jewellers often crafted the system. A grain is 1/480 of the matching ounce. The avoirdepoise oz is 437.5 troy grains, but 480 grains avoirdepoise.

    The weights ran in France in the first stage of conversion is the 'system usualle', feet and pounds defined on round metric. The fine-weight usage was converted to metric. By the time that they came to drop the transitional system, the idea of dual weights had largely disappeared, and the fineweight was extended up to myriagrams, quintals, and tonnes.

    MONEY
    The value of a weight of silver or gold. Bullion-money has since gone out of fashion, but the franc was originally 0.1 grams of silver. cf pound, ounce, talent, mina, shekel, dram [weights that became money] vs mark, dram [money that became weight]

    Converting money is the first step of introducing decimal, etc. In australia, currency decimalisation (1966) preceded metrification (1975).

    Metric added some ambitious reforms that never took root, and were mercifully tapped on the head.

    TIME
    Division of the day, decimally. Unfortunately, the time units were already constant in Europe.

    CALANDER
    Grouping of days into weeks and years. This was a very localised affair. Attack on the calendar was seen, and is seen as, an attack on the core principles of society. Making a system dependant on the calender is now recognised as a folly.

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  32. Or you could roll down the windows ... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2
    My friend Charlie did something like this at darkwater.com, a geekhouse in Santa Cruz. Or at least, that's what used to be at that domain, I haven't looked recently.

    IIRC it was heat-only ... this is santa cruz we're talking about, not the gobi, or texas. (Of course, since texas is underwater right now, that's sort of silly sounding.) Anyway if any thermostat wanted heat, they all got heat, and any thermostat that wanted heat opened its own vent. More to the point, there's no server in this system, just some simple gates and some digital thermostats, and a little tiny bit of custom logic. Really, you can do the whole thing with relays, you don't even need ICs. You could probably steal every single part you needed from pick and pull if you looted some cars of their environmental systems and various relays.

    Remember, the paranormal hamster says, "Hardware solutions to software problems."

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  33. It's not arbitrary at all. by Inoshiro · · Score: 2

    ".. and it's now defined by the length light travels in a vacuum in a very short time.

    But really, why are we basing measurements on all these arbitrary values anyway?
    "

    A metre is how far light moves in 1/299,792,458th of a second. This is because light travels at the speed of 299,792,458 metres a second. See?

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  34. Off Topic? HTH is that Off Topic? by NanoGator · · Score: 2

    I have a feeling that the parent post here got modded down because he didn't sing the praises of Linux. Never mind that the focus of this guy's post was about the faked Dual GPU picture that was mentioned in this article. No no, he said RedHat was 'masochistic'.

    So what? If he found it hard to use, he's to get modded down for it? Yah, clever way to respond. Too bad whoever modded 'em down didn't have the balls to tell him why. Boy you really taught him a lesson: "Linux zealots are easy to tweak."

    All this over an opinion.

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  35. Water by PMuse · · Score: 2, Interesting

    With reference to water at Earth surface conditions,

    1 centimeter^3 = 1 milliliter = 1 gram = 1 degree celsius = 1 calorie

    Physics is nice, but life at the surface of this planet involves one heck of a lot of practical problems involving water.

    Furthermore, a measurement system based on fundamental constants is not all that helpful for solving problems at the human scale. As a portion of all math problems solved by all humans everywhere, those involving c, G, etc. are a pretty small subset. Viva Newtonian mechanics!

    Now, a system that reconciled pi and e with integer values would be helpful. Unfortunately, no such system can exist. "I have discovered a truly remarkable proof but this margin is too small to contain it".

    (7361 ,tamreF ed erreiP)

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  36. No law against linking by g_bit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Dear NPR,

    Your terms of use state "We reserve the right to withdraw permission for any link.". Unfortunately, you have no right to withdraw or grant permission to link to your website, as there is no law stating that permission is required to link to another entity's website.

    Furthermore, it states "By using the NPR Web sites, you agree to be bound by these terms of use.". This statement also has no power because a user of the website is not aware of the terms of use upon entering the website. Even if users were made to be aware of your terms of service before entering your site, the legal weight of the terms is still quite dubious.

    Thank you,

    A User

  37. Tubes are good (kinda) by pclminion · · Score: 2
    I don't know about "consumer" electronics in Russia, but one of the reasons they used tube technology in their military equipment was because it wasn't as susceptible to electromagnetic pulse damage during a nuclear strike. An EMP will destroy any unshielded semiconductor device. But if you are using tubes, and you know the strike is coming, you can just power your systems off. Since a vacuum tube only "conducts" when running at high voltage, this prevents the EMP from propagating throughout the entire circuit, thereby improving the chances of surviving the EMP.

    At least this is what I have heard from a Russian physicist.

    1. Re:Tubes are good (kinda) by yakfacts · · Score: 2

      That's true, but it is also because they could not design radiation-hardened chips. Other countries did.

      Also, the sophistication of a vacuum-tube computer is limited by the size, heat, power consumption and failure rate of the components.

      You can't do a supercomputer in tubes. Not with present tube technology.

  38. Intel can't call the 886 processor "P5" by yerricde · · Score: 2

    I saw a picture of [a Pentium V processor] on the web

    For one thing, it's "Pentium 4" not "Pentium IV".

    For another, Pentium 5 would be abbreviated as "P5", which is one of the generic terms used to refer to 586-generation processors such as the original Pentium, AMD's K5, and whatever Cyrix had out at the time.

    Athlon and Pentium 4 are 786 processors. Pentium 5 and the Hammer series will probably be considered 886's unless Intel tries to squeeze another chip out of its Pentium 4 core (the PIII was just a PII with SSE and a couple slight optimizations to the P6 core).

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  39. Re:Why are the fonts so ugly by treat · · Score: 2
    why don't you change your fonts in mozilla? geez.

    Surely when I said none of the options under the fonts menu influenced the problem, you understood that I was including the options to change the fonts.