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Milestones in the Annals of Junkmail

fdc writes: "Web pages are a great source of postal addresses for direct mailers. Judging by some of the addresses we've seen recently, it's evident that the data is harvested not by humans, but by computer programs that scan web pages for names and addresses. Several weeks ago we (the Kermit Project at Columbia University) announced a new release of our Kermit 95 communication software for Windows -- SSH, secure FTP, etc; cousin of C-Kermit for Unix (search Freshmeat). Since this was a major release, we chose a new icon for it: the Columbia crown. A web page explained that this is the emblem of Columbia University: the crown of King George the II of England (1727-1760), who founded Columbia in 1754. JUST ONE WEEK LATER guess who received a postcard from Dell."

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  1. Dude... by InterruptDescriptorT · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thou art getting a Dell!

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  2. Re:new techinques by scott1853 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It would be very easy to interpret such simple encoding with a bot. I would think that such bots already exist that filter not only that but removing NOSPAM from e-mail addresses which seems to be another popular attempt at keeping a public e-mail address semi-private.

  3. Looks like a prank by someone at Dell by Gorobei · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There are no clear King George + address on the web-page. This just looks like a prank database addition by someone at Dell on a slow day (probably a Kermit user, tho.)

    1. Re:Looks like a prank by someone at Dell by banky · · Score: 5, Informative

      actually the address is on
      http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html
      most of the way down, under the "buy now" stuff

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    2. Re:Looks like a prank by someone at Dell by Mike+Schiraldi · · Score: 5, Informative

      In fact, on that page, King George is not refered to as King George, but rather as "George, King of England."

      Actually, it said, "George II, King of England". The harvester program ignored the "of England" part, and decided that "George II, King" looked a lot like "Smith, John". Just like it turns that into "John Smith", it got "King George II"

  4. Ask Dell about it... by FurryFeet · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Really, contact Dell and ask for an explanation. I think we'd all love to hear what kind of lame excuse they try to come up with in order to avoid admitting that they harvest spammable addreses from the net :)

  5. Nope... that would be "Your Majesty". by TDScott · · Score: 4, Informative
    "Your Highness" denotes royalty other than a King or Queen. "Your Majesty" denotes a King or a Queen. (Source)

    Just nitpicking...

  6. Dell doesn't harvest addresses by peterjm · · Score: 3, Informative

    Companies like Dell don't harvest addressess. They deal with direct marketing companies who either do the harvesting, or who buy large lists from email addressess from companies who swear up and down that they lists contain only people who asked to recieve information about this sort of thing (whatever this sort of thing may be).

    1. Re:Dell doesn't harvest addresses by jelle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Companies like Dell don't harvest addressess. They deal with direct marketing companies"

      Hiring a marketing company to do some work in your name makes you liable for whatever they do in your name.

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  7. Time to seed some pages by SeanTobin · · Score: 4, Funny

    I would just love to throw out a page with addresses like:

    Zephram Cochrane
    c/o Phoenix Research Institute
    186000 Miles Avenue
    Central, Montana 01701

    Seven Nine
    2349 Tendara Street
    Unimatrix, CA 79301

    John Kelly
    2032 Gravaton Ave.
    Mars, NC 02376

    Tobin Dax
    2135 Bajor Parkway
    Symbiant, UT 02230

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  8. Re:Artificial Intelligence?? by SpatchMonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That is a little different. The data you received clearly had a common structure as it was just retrieved from a database and placed into a template.

    Actually analysing language is a much more difficult task. Just look at the very imperfect quality of language translation tools on Google and Altavista to see just how hard it is.

  9. Re:Mod Parent Up by binner1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    The person responsible for this spam has just been sacked...

    The person repsonsible for the person responsible for this spam has just be sacked...

    Or something thereabouts! Sorry MP.

    -Ben

  10. Occams Razor by KFury · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems much more likely that someone on the team was registering for something somewhere and, wanding to avoid stupid spam, put in the clever King persona instead.

    Promptly forgotten, it was a surprise when Dell, seemingly unrelated to the registration account, sends email to that profile.

    More than likely someone on your team remembers it now, but finds the alternative 'harvesting' explanation so funny he's keeping quiet.

    1. Re:Occams Razor by KFury · · Score: 3, Interesting

      'sends email to that profile'

      Err, snail mail, rather.

      And it might not have been someone on your team at all. People use false data for setting up accounts all the time. Maybe they just thought this would be funny.

      Heck, they were apparently right.

  11. Re:Isn't Dell the company... by istartedi · · Score: 3, Funny

    uses prison labor to make their computers?

    Dude, you're gettin' a cell.

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  12. I don't really care about Postal junk mail by Ryu2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For me, postal spam it's not as bad as email, because it doesn't cost you in disk space or bandwidth.

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  13. The true test by Fat+Casper · · Score: 3, Funny
    Is whether or not ye King gets a pre-approved credit card application. Make sure the bills are sent c/o the office of Exchequer.

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  14. Let's use the system by Bouncings · · Score: 4, Funny
    Here we go:

    The Devil
    1 Microsoft Way
    Redmond, WA 98052


    Jack Fuck-me-in-the-ass Valenti
    MPAA
    15503 Ventura Boulevard
    Encino, CA 91436

    Just to start off with a few.

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