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Chicken-Feather Chips

gtaylor writes "The Washington Post reports that University of Delaware chemical engineer proposes to replace silicon with chicken feather composites -- since the feathers apparently make the electrons fly. (Unlike turkeys.)"

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  1. What? by SpatchMonkey · · Score: 3, Funny

    April 1st was months back. What nonsense is this?

    The whole point of using silicon is it's semiconducting capabilities. You just don't get that from 'chicken feathers'.

  2. Opens up whole new marketing opportunities... by Smeg}{ead · · Score: 5, Funny

    Would you like your Pentium in Original or Extra Crispy?

    1. Re:Opens up whole new marketing opportunities... by Nate+Fox · · Score: 5, Funny

      I guess that puts a new twist on overclucking...

  3. Awesome by CaffeineAddict2001 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can you imagine what Chicken Run 2 will look like?

  4. In other news... by littleRedFriend · · Score: 3, Funny

    Mc Donalds recently replaced the chicken burger by an artificial silicon-based meat substitute.

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  5. Very scientific article ... by Rolo+Tomasi · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The chicken-feather microchip is not as weird as it sounds. A microchip is basically a wafer of silicon inscribed with a dense maze of transistors. For the chip to do its computational magic, electric signals have to travel across these transistors.

    These signals travel faster in the presence of some materials than others. Air, for instance, allows the fastest movement of all, because it provides essentially no resistance. When traveling near solids, however, the movement tends to kick up opposing positive charges. These charges can distract the signal from completing its appointed rounds.

    So what are they saying? Air offers no electrical resistance? Last I heard, air was one of the best insulators around. Or did they perchance confuse resistance with the dielectric value?

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    1. Re:Very scientific article ... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Informative

      hen traveling near solids, however, the movement tends to kick up opposing positive charges. These charges can distract the signal from completing its appointed rounds.

      So what are they saying? Air offers no electrical resistance? Last I heard, air was one of the best insulators around. Or did they perchance confuse resistance with the dielectric value?


      Yes, they confused resistance with dilectric value. The phenomenon described is the the slowing of propogation of signals in a wire surrounded by a material of high dilectric constant.

      What puzzles me is the description of this material as a replacement for silicon. The point of the silicon is that it is a suitable material for the fabrication of transistors. The article talks as if the transistors were painted on and the wiring was in the silicon, rather than the other way around. While chips sometimes have a layer of polysilicon wiring for interconnecting slow signals, the bulk of the wiring is successive layers of metal separated by glass above the chip.

      Now maybe if they laid layers of this stuff on top of the wafer and built the wiring in it, or etched away the silicon around the active components and filled it with this stuff, it would be useful.

      And once the transistors are again discrete components fabricated by nanotech, perhaps something like this might make a suitable microscopic "circuit board". But the techniques to fab nanotransistors in bulk may also provide a way to construct a low-dilectric-constant matrix to contain them and their interconnecting wiring.

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  6. Aw hell. by Havokmon · · Score: 3, Funny
    Now KFC will have to grow chickens WITH feathers..

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    1. Re:Aw hell. by uncoveror · · Score: 3, Funny

      Forget the Snopes story that says Chick'n isn't real. We investigated it at The Uncoveror, and found that it is real. Here is the original Chick'N story, and it's follow-up.

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  7. This guy's living in a dream world by Cutie+Pi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This article is very poorly written... lots of technical errors. As a professional in the semiconductor industry, I'm having trouble envisioning how this guy could actually replace silicon with chicken feathers.

    For one thing, they seem to talking about the dielectric constant of the materials. For chips, a low dielectric constant material between the metal lines is good, because it reduces the RC time delay. That's why you might have heard all the buzz about low-K dielectrics. But these are state-of-the art nanoporous materials that are designed for good deposition, thickness control, and etchability... I just can't see how you could do the same with chicken feathers.

    As for replacing the silicon itself? No way. Silicon is a unique material with semiconducting properties, meaning you can change its resistance by added small controlled amounts of dopant atoms. It can be made in large single crystal ingots with very low defect and impurity level. How in the world could you replace a single crystal with chicken feathers??? Hell, the fibers alone are 100's of times bigger than current gate widths.

    Me remains a bit skeptical.

  8. Re:What about PETA by Tazzy531 · · Score: 3, Funny

    No. Basically this would spur on the "Animal Free" PC industry. However, the Animal Free PCs would be much hated and protested by environmental protection groups because of the harmful chemicals found within instead of biodegradable chicken feathers. Now the people that are both are going to be very confused.

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  9. Is this guy for real? by Target+Drone · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Maybe someone with an engineering degree could answer a couple of my questions.

    Wool's team took chicken feathers and plant oils and molded them into a composite material that approximates the shape and feel of silicon.

    Wouldn't "approximates the electrical characteristics of silicon" be better then just making a silicon substitute that looks and feels like silicon?

    When the researchers tested it for speed, they found that the composite allowed movement at about twice the rate of silicon. Though that's still slower than the speed in air, Wool said, "I was jumping up and down."

    It doesn't sound like they actually created a gate. Isn't creating something that conducts electricty a far cry from creating something that can actually be used as a gate in a circuit?

    And finally. Why does it sound like this guy is wasting the tax payers money?

  10. Hopefully just dumbed down too far. by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 5, Informative

    The reason silicon is used for integrated circuit chips is because it's a semiconductor - a material that can conduct or insulate depending on the electrical conditions around it. Chicken feathers do not semiconduct.

    As for electric signals travelling best through air... would you rather be standing ten feet from a power line, or reaching out with a metal fishing rod to touch it?

    As far as I can tell, the discussion seems to be a garbled description of using organic fibers/composites as a dielectric (insulating) material instead of oxides or nitrides. Much research has been done over the past several years looking for "low-K dielectrics". The "K" parameter is a measure of how an insulator interacts with an electric field imposed on it. A high-K material has more capacitance when you put a voltage across it; low-k materials for bulk insulators reduce the capacitance between wires (and between wires and the substrate). This reduces wire delays.

    An attractive area of research has been to put voids (bubbles or pores) into the dielectric material. Because gases tend to have low dielectric constants, introducing gas-filled voids in the dielectric will reduce the capacitance that two wires insulated by the dielectric will feel. This is what the "microbubbles" comment in the article refers to.

    I guess this guy wants to grind up chicken feathers and paste them on to a wafer instead of growing an oxide. Among other things, he'll need to remove all particles larger than a few tens of nanometres for this to not introduce defects in the chip. Good luck.

  11. Intel picked up the technology... by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    They said that the new 'Camilla' processor will be out in q4 of 2002.

    1. Re:Intel picked up the technology... by NanoGator · · Score: 3, Funny

      "They said that the new 'Camilla' processor will be out in q4 of 2002."

      Oh man. Hehe. There's going to be like 3 people who get that joke. *snicker* At least Gonzo will finally get some work.

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  12. Man electricuted in a batch full of AIR by oliverthered · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What a load of blox
    " These signals travel faster in the presence of some materials than others. Air, for instance, allows the fastest movement of all, because it provides essentially no resistance. When traveling near solids, however, the movement tends to kick up opposing positive charges. These charges can distract the signal from completing its appointed rounds.

    Though these signals move more slowly in the presence of silicon than they do in air, silicon offers less resistance than many other materials do. That's why it has been used in microchips for so long. But engineers are always looking for ways to turbocharge their chips. Historically, they have been able to do this by inscribing more transistors into ever-tinier spaces. But some worry that a physical limit may be approaching. "

    SFAIK, this is shit. Silicon is good because it produces the second hightest number of compounds (carbon comes tops) and it's metalic, SFA to do with risistance. copper/gold and diamond have less resistance?

    Mr wool and his wooly ideas!
    Next he'll inject sheep so that they shead there flease.

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  13. Re:Mod parent down by CaffeineAddict2001 · · Score: 3, Funny

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