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Eavesblogging the Internet Law Program
Last week the Berkman Center held their second annual Internet Law Program, an intensive course in (surprise) internet law and developments. You probably didn't spend the time/money to attend, but the topics covered are interesting enough (to me anyway) to check it out even second-hand. Dan Gillmor attended and posted his notes: Day 1, Day 2, Day 3, Day 4, Day 5 part 1 and Day 5 part 2. Donna Wentworth was there, trying to record the seminar in real-time; hopefully she's learned her lesson. There is tons of interesting stuff in there - it's worth your time to read through if you have any interest in the subject matter at all.
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A long, long time ago I can still remember How the trollers used to make me smile And I knew if I had to boast That I could try to get first post And maybe I'd be happy for a while But moderators made me shiver With every minus they'd deliver DoS scripts couldn't stop it They scored them all "Offtopic" I know that it's cheap crack they smoke And meta-moderation's broke At first I thought it was a joke The day that trolltalk died
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Bye, bye, MEEPTy, OOG, and Grits guy Drove the Cruiser like some loser who starts posts with a *sigh*
Those Steve Woston posts that we all knew were a lie Wonder what became of girls petrified? What became of girls petrified?
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Did you write a bunch of Perl? And did it make you want to hurl Feces at the Wall? Can you believe these lame-ass polls? Do you post big stretched-out assholes? Can you make the goatse.cx link not show? Well I know you think that Siggy sucked Will the real Bruce Perens please stand up? The bots don't have a clue. Man, I dig those trolls from Shoe! I was a rabid Free Speech advocate With a Red Hat T-shirt and a Free Beer gut
Bought my Sony laptop working Pizza Hut The day that trolltalk died
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It's been two years since the IPO And LNUX sinks to all-time lows But that's not how it used to be When Spiral showed how it was done Trolling as Jon Erikson Who worked for NPO Technologies Oh and while they tried to filter posts Somebody rooted Slashdot's host "Crack Slashdot? That's absurd!" Better go change your password While JonKatz wrote a Hellmouth book By using posts he simply took And we flamed him till he was cooked The day that trolltalk died And we were singin....
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10 grams. Inchfan. Didn't log out. Goddamn The mods will find the sid real soon, man
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Oh and then we were wearing out "All your base" And started posting monospace
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- poopbot: because even your grandmother can use lunix
Is it me or do the AC's seem more entertaining than the content today?
On second thought, I'll put the crack away and read about Internet Law since Micheal doesn't seemed too convienced that anyone cares. =P
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Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. - Euripides
There's some more info on internet law and how it relates to linux here. It covers some aspects such as open source liability, etc.
Cat got your tongue? (something important seems to be missing from your comment ... like the body or the subject!)
security through obscurity = modding down anti-linux posts so maybe noone will see them
BReakin du law BReakin du law BReakin du law.. YEA MAN!
that was a very good link on linux and internet law but it does not focus enough on some of the deeper aspects of the topic such as how it will affect windows
Could someone shed some light on this one. I don't understand how they are possibly going to be able to prosecute people since the internet doesn't really have political boundaries. I am guessing they may do it based on where the server or client was located, but wouldn't that border on unreasonable search and seziure (at least in the US)?
In other news, the Bunko Society for Paint Dehydration announced their latest seminar on watching paint dry. They announced it on the Internet, so it could be reported by Slashdot.
Really, this is pretty miserable stuff, even for a slow news day. Notes from a seminar on law...spanning multiple days?
AC's got the first two posts of this article.
AC's are teh rox0rs!!!
BSD is dead.
You may have topped yourself on this one. This is possibly THE most Boring fucking subject posted in a long time! Who gives a fuck about Internet Law??!! That's like saying we're supposed to believe Humans can control whole Galaxies and are responsible for the tides!
Fucking Humans, You're SO damn egotistical and self-centered!
Excellent info, highly recommended.
Silicon Valley has more info, check it out:
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http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/
Have you hugged your Karma Whore today?
Link is offtopic. It's another one of those anti-open source manifestoes.
Internet Law according to the RIAA:
1. Mp3s are bad, they are all illegal.
2. We have the right to hack your computers and delete whatever we want.
3. Even though our artists get one dollar per album sold and it costs 2 dollars to make the album, we will still charge 17.99 for each album with only one good song.
*ahem* Thankyou and good day.
In college, really poor, need a flatscreen.
the trolls can have this one.
however, this is becoming a hot topic with all the intellectual property issues that are coming up today. Still though, not very exciting unless you're an intellectual property executive like my father is. personally, I could care less, I'll just let him deal with it. It's another facet for the legal profession to study and litigate over.
just my (hopefully) troll-free two cents.
(keep those AC posts coming!)
Wasn't it hilarious when that one nigger got hit in the face by the cop? Only bad thing is now we have those fat ass gorilla women all over the TV acting pissed off.
how is that a troll? Just because the article claims that "Open Source licenses have not (yet) been validated by a court of law"?
FSF knows that, and even makes that claim on the their page. Hell, the VA Linux annual report mentions that open source licensing may be a liability!
This is wonderful information. I'm sure I'll be modded as redundant, but this is great for those of us with our heads buried in code and no time to grep the rest of the world.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon, Marshal of France - speaking truth to power
"First thing to point out about free software is that it's very hard to ignore. Not about free as costless, but a lot of enterprises with money running on question of whether server is running, and what they're using is free software."
It is very interesting (to me anyway) that so much money is spent on making sure that free software works.
It tends to make it much more obvious how much better free (as in open source) software is, as compared to the competition. See, if it were just free, and companies used it, you could say, "Cheap companies!" However, the fact that companies sink a lot of money into a server running free software shows that there is a serious lack of competitive comercial packages for the job.
For instance, I know my company would rather pay $5,000 for a good comercial package, rather than go with a more complex free software, that requires someone who knows someting to run it.
Of course, the fact that there aren't a lot of good comercial server platforms is good for me. If there were, I would not have my job....
I keep hearing you people repeate this tried and tired line over and over again.
I don't know what albums you are buying, but the albums I buy have much more than "one good song" on them. Beyond that, I like to HEAR what else a band has in their musical collection. Finally, I'm more than willing to shell out money to support the artist.
This BS "one good song" argument is used over and over again to justify "sharing" (aka stealing) music.
if you expect to be modded as redundant (which you are), you should consider posting without the +1 bonus.
The last few months I have been doing some research into the trolling phenomenon on slashdot.org. In order to do this as thoroughly as possible, I have written both normal and troll posts, 1st posts, etc., both logged in and anonymously, and I have found these rather shocking results:
More moderator points are being used to mod posts down than up. Furthermore, when modding a post up, every moderator seems to follow previous moderators in their choices, even when it's not a particularly interesting or clever post [slashdot.org]. There are a LOT more +5 posts than +3 or +4.
Logged in people are modded down faster than anonymous cowards. Presumably these Nazi Moderators think it's more important to burn a user's existing karma, to silence that individual for the future, than to use the moderation system for what it's meant for : identifying "good" and "bad" posts (Notice how nearly all oppressive governments in the past and present do the same thing : marking individuals as bad and untrustworthy because they have conflicting opinions, instead of engaging in a public discussion about these opinions)
Once you have a karma of -4 or -5, your posts have a score of -1 by default. When this is the case, no-one bothers to mod you down anymore. This means a logged in user can keep on trolling as much as he (or she) likes, without risking a ban to post on slashdot. When trolling as an anonymous user, every post starts at score 0, and you will be modded down to -1 ON EVERY POST. When you are modded down a certain number of times in 24 hour, you cannot post anymore from your current IP for a day or so. So, for successful trolling, ALWAYS log in.
A lot of the modded down posts are actually quite clever [slashdot.org], funny [slashdot.org], etc., and they are only modded down because they are offtopic. Now, on a news site like slashdot, where the number of different topics of discussion can be counted on 1 hand, I must say I quite like the distraction these posts offer. But no, when the topic is yet another minor version change of the Linux kernel [slashdot.org], they only expect ooohs and aaahs about this great feat of engineering. Look at the moderation done in this thread [slashdot.org] to see what I mean. Digging deep into the history of slashdot, I found this poll [slashdot.org], which clearly indicates the vast majority does NOT want the moderation we have here today. 'nuff said. Feel free to use this information to your advantage. I thank you for your time. Fucker.
Why isn't this on slashdot yet??
Isn't it significant? Doesn't anyone know?
I don't get how so much trivial irrevelant things get submitted here but the big ones go right over everyone's head.
Can we do something to eliminate this stupid net-born "word"?
July 10, 2002 -- Wacko Jacko says he's no freako.
Michael Jackson yesterday lashed out at accusations that he's a gay child molester who bleaches his skin so he won't look black, saying they're part of a "conspiracy" to "turn the public against him."
"I was called a freak, a homosexual, a child molester. That I bleach my skin. Everything to turn the public against me," Jackson said before a packed house at the Rev. Al Sharpton's Harlem headquarters. "It was a complete conspiracy."
In 1993, Jackson was accused in a lawsuit of molesting a 13-year-old boy. The child was one of the many young pals, including Macaulay Culkin and Emmanuel Lewis, the self-proclaimed King of Pop entertained at his bizarro fun-park ranch, Neverland, in California.
Jackson settled the suit, reportedly for $15 million to $24 million.
Yesterday, the usually reclusive Jackson continued a wild, high-profile attack he started Saturday, when he threw down the gauntlet to his record-label boss, Tommy Mottola of Sony, calling the exec was a racist.
Jacko - whose face has been changed drastically by plastic surgery - launched a diatribe as he explained why he is the industry's newest black activist.
"I know my race. I just look in the mirror. I know I'm black," Jackson said, as hundreds exploded in cheers.
"We are all brothers and sisters - no matter what color we are."
Wearing a black jacket and pants, Jacko said the music industry turned on him "overnight" after he displaced white artists as the planet's No. 1-selling artist.
Music moguls "are liars. They manipulate our history books. You must know that," he said, as the crowd cheered him on. "If you go to the bookstore at the corner, you won't see one black face. You'll see Elvis Presley and the Rolling Stones."
He claimed the industry attack on him began after "I broke Elvis' record and the Beatles' record" in sales.
The Harlem meeting - at which Sharpton and lawyer Johnnie Cochran said they would take on the music industry for taking advantage of minority artists - drew hundreds of Sharpton supporters and dozens of white teens eager to see Jackson.
Jackson, who was pumping his fist in the air as Sharpton yelled, "No justice, no peace," spent much of the two-hour meeting blowing kisses to fans and even giving a thumbs-up to one who screamed, "I love you, Michael!"
Sharpton, who stood shoulder to shoulder with Jackson, said he wants to meet with music-industry heads to discuss properly compensating minority artists.
Sharpton also praised Jackson for appearing at yesterday's meeting.
"Michael is no wacko," he said. "He's still an icon."
When asked if he wanted to meet with Mottola about racism, Sharpton said, "Yes, but it's not limited to one company. I want to reach out to all of them."
On a weird note, I wonder what was up with this guy? Apparent suicide? Did he kill himself because he felt morally wrong for the mass copyright infringement people are undertaking using a program he helped to develop or because his AOL-TimeWarner stock is near junk status now? One has to wonder why a 25 year old would commit suicide.. that's usually something disgruntled kids in high school do.
Just another example of the blatant censorship running rampant on Slashdot. And they think open source is about freedom.
Slashdot has turned into a corporate tool.
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Now how many Judges out there should take this?
Jesus saves souls and redeems them for valuable cash prizes
Too bad the trolls have come out in force for this. Speaking as an attendee, it was a great conference for anyone interested in the direction of the Internet. Sadly, those posters who seem baffled by the notion that the law matters in this area are probably those who fail to understand that the law evolves in response to social needs - and the extent to which the Internet is something that you use means that the law will emerge to shape that environment. You can either participate in that shaping, or you can stick your head in the sand (or put your fingers in your ears and yell LA-LA-LA). If you choose the latter, don't complain when you suddenly find that
Do I sound paranoid? Maybe, but the fact is, these things are part of the debate - today! Hollings, Berman and others are working on it, and there is already enough legislation (DMCA, PATRIOT) to get you. And it's not just a US thing - international treaties are being signed and revised.
So, wake up! This stuff matters! And it's beyond parties - this is going to hit you where you live!
In the Day 2 notes, DG writes this in his notes. It's actually an important point for the Eldred v. Ashcroft (formerly Eldred v. Reno) case.
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Because the term extension under the Sonny Bono act is "not severable", the extension for future works needs to be stricken if the extension for existing works is stricken.
The reason is that Judges may not rewrite a law to make it constitutional. They may strike part of a law but only if that which remains is still meaningful. The term extension was written (and I'm paraphrasing here)
the term of copyright for all works is to be
If they had written this in two sections, then the extension for existing works could have been severable:
Sec 1. The term for works created after [effective date] shall be...
Sec 2. The term for existing works shall be the same as in Sec 1.
Then Sec 2. could be stricken leaving us with term extensions for future works, but the old terms for existing works. But it didn't happen that way, so it's either all or nothing when the SC eventually rules.
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Well I read it from cover to cover and found it interesting, stimulating and all that.
But short on practical advice.
I've been to a few of these legal seminars and the trouble is that virtually every legal topic of interest is still in flux. The common feature seems to be, if you think you have an Internet problem then you must consult a lawyer. The law is still so uncertain that you cannot possibly be sure that you are applying best practice. Or even that last quarter's advice is still valid.
Mind you, a lot of e-commerce companies know this and aren't too worried.
The UK has a reasonable Data Protection act that should allow some redress if a UK site does bad things with your personal details. It was passed a few years ago now and to date there have been approximately ZERO prosecutions.
ok that's it.. I've seen enough blog thing blog that.. guess I've been too busy hitting the blong to have catched it. Soo.. what's blog? Google what? Too lazy.
All of the professors, and most of the attendees, were extremely clueful. Though Larry Lessig painted a very convincing and very dire picture of the future of the internet, I was given hope by the fact that many of the attendees both "get it" and are in the position to influence the powerful towards the implementation of good policy.
One of my favorite moments was during a discussion of deep linking, when the recent NPR linking policy issue came up as an example of how some large organizations, even those ostensibly seeking wide dissemination of quality news and information, really didn't understand how central linking is to the way the web works. At this point, the deputy general counsel of NPR, who happened to be in attendance, introduced herself and gave an excellent description of why the NPR policy was wrong-headed. She'd always thought it was a bad policy (I believe her word was "stupid"), and was glad it had come to light.
Once my hosting provider overcomes some technical problems, I'll post my notes from the conference.
Any other attendees have good stories to share? I know a significant portion of the crowd there reads slashdot.
Joe Gratz
Next.
Invoicing, Time Tracking, Reporting
Action: Big Meating of Corporate, Legal, Techie, etc.. types discuss matters of internet design, property, blah blah. Lots of Ideas shared, lots of information made avilable to those that did not understand...
Reaction: They all go home and make $200,000 a year and feed the dog. Internet gets runover by government.
I am guessing that eavesblogging is a play on eavesdropping?
When you're a blockhead, wordplay hurts. Y'know?
This ILAW seminar seems surprisingly similar (almost identical) to a HLS class taught by Zittrain I took this past spring as a cross-registered MIT student. See http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/is02/ for class notes, links, etc.
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Agreed. New words are useful only if they add something to the language and "log" works just fine for me. What's next? Rlog for paper log, klog for notebook log and olog for audio log?
I expect blog to die of its own accord as it suffers from being just a little too cute and techno-insider to survive.
And please remember -- the opposite of "reactive" is "active" and not "proactive". Whenever someone in my office uses the word proactive, we fine them a quarter!