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Interview with Ian Jackson
Figuring you can never get too much Ian Jackson, Trevelyan writes: "Debian Planet has an
interview with the long time Debian maintainer, and a former DPL, a current member of the
technical committee and the author of
dpkg.
Also
announced Debian GNU/Linux 2.2r7 released. In case some of you thought Debian won't be releasing anything this year =)"
clit, get it in her
security through obscurity = modding down anti-linux posts so maybe noone will see them
Debian is always out of date so why dont they add a bsd like ports system.
Free Unix? Free Windows. http://www.reactos.com
Congrats on your very fine fp! I do however have to ask that you site me as the source whenever you use the phrase (or any derivative of) 'Get it in you!'
Thank you for your time.
Oh well, back to dowloading pr0n...
Pr0n K1ng
Why is it that my bios can recognize my usb mouse but debian cant?
Huh?
It seems that the Janitors, in their infinite wisdom, have banned people who have low/negative karma from posting more than twice per day. Personally I find this completely stupid.
All the trolls will simply post AC as I am doing now. Proxies can be used to get around any ipid bans that result from AC trolls.
Surely it is better to let the trolls post at -1 where it is out of most peoples way rather than have them all post at 0 and suck up mod points and time from "legit" users?
I have tried to communicate my thoughts to the slashcode team but alas, to no avail. They are probably all sittin on their starwars bed sheets watching anime hentai tentacle rape pr0n.
Here is my proposal: All trolls that cannot post using their account post as AC. Use proxies if need be (www.antiproxy.com is a good source). I suspect this will show them how useless this idea is. Will blocking troll uid's stop trolls? NO! will ipid bans stop trolls? NO!
I seriously fail to see the point of this and consider it a stupid move by the janitors.
They want us to troll and crapflood at 0 rather than -1? Fine! So be it! No longer will we post at -1 where few people dare to visit, now we will post at 0 where we will be more visible and waste peoples time, energy and mod points! Hoorah!
The next thing you know, posting AC will be banned! Then what will you do? No more posting interesting insider tidbits! Groupthink all the way baby! oh yeah!
So logout, post shit, use proxies and above all have fun!
Let the games begin! -- on by
- poopbot: lovely snot! wonderful snot!
Lick my nuts and ENJOY it.
You have tried to oppress us for the last time.
The HOLY TROLL JIHAD will soon be upon you.
Dude... you are so getting a Dell!
I do it wrong
Laying here in the shadows of my room, I squint up at my love. My Ms. Portman. I am sore and tired after fucking her for eight solid hours. My chapped and aching dick is soaking in grits to relieve the pain. She gets on her knees and starts lapping the grits up out of the bowl. She places her beautiful hands on my penis and starts to lick the grits off my achy piece.
Massaging my nutsack she....
WAIT, I DO IT WRONG!!!!
Yanking my dick out of her mouth I throw her to the ground and shove it in to her gaping freshly fisted ass.
OH BIG ASS SPORK!! Fuck my ass, fuck my ass good. DEEPER, my stallion, deeper!! Make a Beowulf cluster of sperm on my back!!
Imagine a Beowulf cluster of this baby!
I DO IT WRONG!!!!
I continue to hump her alabaster form. Glistening with beads of sweat, she bites her lip in delight as I tear her ass open with my engorged dick.
Queen Amidala!! I shreik as I near climax.
She looks up at me and screams, You are so alive in me, unlike *BSD or VA Software!!! Fill me with seed!! Yes, Yes, Yess!!!!
For me you are calling, hhhmmm?
YODA?!? What the fuck, can't you see I am using the force here?
He savagely kicks my Natalie aside, he pulls out his large green penis and impales me...
I DO IT WRONG!!
All your sporkz are belong to the dead homiez!!
I thought I had Debian 2.2.19...
What is 2.2r7? These version numbers always confuse me...
Anyway, when are they going to release Debian 3??
May 1st was two month ago now!!!
Jaime McCarthy is a fag, linux sucks, MS ownz you, suck my dick, etc, Kathleen fent is a hoe, Rob Mald a is a turd burlgarhi, just posting crap, please mod down to -1.
There comes a time in a person's life when they must change. When we're growing
/;p;};}' %" to read
up, with all of our hormones, we'll do anything. Gone are the days for many of
us for rebellion, anarchy, and bedlam. Gone are the days where we live in
pandemonium, of screaming and shouting for our friends, of living like its our
last day every day.
With that stability comes comfort. A comfort we all need. The comfort of knowing
that law and equilibrium won't fall out from under us. Knowing that, if we wake
up tomorrow, there's still going to be something left. Microsoft gives us that
comfort. And Linux doesn't.
I'll do the computer-illiterate a favor and explain the history of computers.
You see, Microsoft was started by a computer genius named Bill Gates. He wrote
an operating system called MS-DOS. In the early 70s, MS-DOS was the operating
system of choice for computing professionals. In the early 80s, he added a UI
(usable interface) to DOS and called it Windows.
At the same time (in the late 80s) Bell Labs made an Operating System called
UNIX, a copy off of MS-DOS only without the UI. In Unix, you had to type commands
like "sed -ne '/^-----/{;n;h;n;/^----/{;g;/^.\{72\}$/s/ */
your e-mail or "find . | awk -F/ '{for (x=1;xNF;x++) { printf "\t"}; print
$NF}'" to make a new document for word processing. Over 10 years later and they
still don't have the industry standard GUI (Good User Interface).
You may be wondering where Linux comes in. Linux is based on Unix, only 10 years
later. It was started in 1996, when cracker (computer criminal) Linus Torvalds
decided to create a free clone of the obsolete operating system. Obviously
rebelliously (and questionably illegally) he created this clone with help of
other hackers. After 6 years, it finally has a UI (though not a GUI) and runs on
most x86 processors available (except Pentium 4).
Meanwhile, Microsoft has done nothing but innovate. Over the past few years,
their GUI is the most acclaimed. Don't believe me? Just ask Linus. He was
recently quoted in IT Professionals Today Magazine as saying "Linux may not be
as stable, secure, or easy to use as Windows, but I'm going to try my hardest."
So who are you going to stick with? The hunter or the hunted? It may be fun to
root for the underdog at sporting events like the SuperBowl, but when it comes to
your business, your family, and your money, who are you rooting for? Are you
going to root for the fly-by-night operating systems or the ones that will fly
and take you where you want to go today?
"Interview with someone that 99.9% of the Earth's population has never heard of."
Thanks, bye.
don't vote for gray davis
SUVs are for fags
...thanks to the new system, 11 out of the first 12 comments appear to be trolls (mostly AC). Great work, /. Now I don't have to lower my threshold to be entertained!
100% noise, 0% signal. The ed's fucked up...
Hi. I heard lots of stories about security bugs in debian on /. but what is debian? Is it like ssh and apache?
I'm an intelligent apple user, how would u define Debian to me?
I would be interested for slashdot to host and interview with Ian. As a user of gentoo linux I have experienced much of the power of a ports based system with its portage package management system, which has close ties to Debian's very own apt-get and dpkg. Debian seems very focused on a stable kernel, even more so than any other distribution I know of. Would it not serve Debian to focus more on the Server side of things and leave the desktop to the propeller heads, Gentoo that is. :)
Go Illini!!!
If there's somethin' strange and you can't get wood
Who ya gonna call (goatsebusters!)
If its asshole's wide an' it won't look good
Who ya gonna call? (goatsebusters!)
I ain't afraid a no goatse
I ain't afraid a no goatse
If you're seein' Rob sucking on some head
Who can you call? (goatsebusters!)
An' anus stretched man sleepin' in your bed
Oh who ya gonna call? (goatsebusters!)
I ain't afraid a no goatse
I ain't afraid a no goatse
Who ya gonna call? (goatsebusters!)
If you're all alone playing with your bone
Just call (goatsebusters!)
I ain't afraid a no goatse
I hear it likes the cock
I ain't afraid a no goatse
Who you gonna call? (goatsebusters!)
Mm...if you've had a dose
Of a freaky goatse anus
You better call goatsebusters!
Fistin' makes me feel good
I ain't afraid a no goatses
Don't get caught alone oh no...goatsebuster
When he cums on your floor
Unless you've just got some more
I think you better call goatsebusters!
Ooh... who you gonna call? (goatsebusters!)
Who you gonna call? (goatsebusters!)
Ah, I think you better call (goatsebusters!)
I can't hear you...(goatsebusters!)
Who you gonna call? (goatsebusters!)
Louder goatsebusters!
Who you gonna call? (goatsebusters!)
Who you can call goatsebusters!...(till fade)
Hello Slashdot:
;).
How are things in the civilized world? You probably don't know who I am. That's
okay. I'm here to inform you of my mission, what I've found, and what I hope to
teach all of you.
I work for the United Christians Food for Poor Kids Foundation, and let me tell
you, there's a lot of poor kids in Afghanistan. As in most countries in the
Middle East, most people are unemployed, and therefore poor. And where there's a
lot of poor people, UCFPKF is needed.
UCFPKF always has the latest in technology. In this instance, we had access to
some Pentium 4's(r) 2GHz. Obviously, we needed an operating system that could
handle the power of Intel's beast. Unfortunately, we didn't have any computer
experts on hand up to the task, so it was going to be trial and error.
We'd heard good things about Linux and its "ACL's". Little did we know of its
incompatibility with modern hardware. It didn't even support Token Ring
networking, the newest form of Ethernet(r), which we require to always keep
in contact between bases. Also, it didn't seem to use SSE optimizations, which
when processing food amounts, are also very important. Also, there were
homo-erotic implications in the structure of Linux, which is strictly
unallowable in a Christian organization such as ours,
The next obvious step was to install Windows. We hesitated because we knew that
it was common knowledge that Windows crashed incessantly. Our experience was
less than stellar. It also didn't support Token Ring networking. Security is
important in this region because many people try to steal food, but "Windows
2000" (which I hear didn't even come out in 2000) doesn't even allow you to
have seperate permissions. Once again, the SSE optimizations were not used.
I was in a situation that seemed impossible. The two most famous operating
systems had failed me. I walked around the base in a dazed stupor. What was I
going to do for our ultra-important network? A boy saw me pouting and sighing,
and asked me what was wrong. I said nothing, but we exchanged names, and little
did I know, that young Junis had a gift for computers.
Junis saw me the next day, slaving away at the sparse terminal that "Windows
2000" makes you type in. He asked what I was doing with that primitive OS. I
laughed and told him that I was doing inventory. He ran to his village, into his
hut, and pulled out a box I had never seen before. The box said "SCO Xenix" the
front. I had never seen or heard of this Xenix before. But I soon learned that
Junis was a computer genius.
All we had to do was put the Xenix CD into the computer, and everything worked
like magic (not the devil's magic... good magic:) ). Our Token Ring network
integrated flawlessly with it. And it even used SSE optimizations. Well, me and
Junis are now on a new mission. We're spreading the word. It might not be the
word of the lord, but then again, maybe it is
SCO Xenix: The Unix of Tomorrow.
Janet Milman
Network Administrator, UCFPKF
Afghanistan base
I was serious! I ain't no Troll!
Guess some 'user' (read: editor) made my post part of the slashdot crap that is going on now...
Well, no Debian 3, no alcohol, no future, notable bore... Another typical saturday I guess
Im in awe of Debian Unstable! It has the GNOME2 desktop environment.. but alas not a single GNOME2 application!
Who cares though? Because all the Debian users are moving to Gentoo now, as its not 3 years out of date!
PLD JOO DEBIANERS!
"I'm a man!" I groaned. "I've been fucked by a man's cock! I'm not a boy anymore!"
I scooped Dad's and Uncle Brian's shit into my hands and smeared my body with their warm filth. Lying on the floor of the basement, wallowing in
the waste of these two men, I gazed up at the candles. They flickered silently. I lay at the foot of the cross as upon an altar where I was
the victim being offered up to the God of raunch!
Dad and Uncle Brian held me in their arms. Our filthy, smelly bodies rubbing against one another. My cock stirred and jerked upward within the confines of the leather jockstrap. I reached down and pulled it free, stroking it with my shit fillled hand.
The warmth of manturd on my cock, the stench that wafted into my nostrils made my body tremble and my asshole, my dirty asshole, quivered at the sensation it had just felt for the very first time!
My tight boy hole was no longer virgin territory. My father had filled me with his manhood and his seed. I belonged to him now in a special way.
Reaching up to my Dad, I grasped the back of his neck with my shitty hand and drew his lips towards mine.
"Am I a man now, Dad?" I whispered, as his lips grazed mine.
"Yes, my son!" he answered, softly. "You are now a man!"
Uncle Brian slid down, trailing wet kisses along my filth covered body. Closer and closer he slid his mouth towards my hard cock.
"Mmmmmmmmmmmm!" I moaned, as he took my raunchy dick into his mouth and sucked. "Yeah! Suck my dirty dick, Uncle Brian! Fuckin' suck your
shit off my dick!"
I squirmed, thrusting my hips upwards, sinking my cock deep within my Uncle's mouth.
As he sucked on my dick, he reached up and to his left, ramming his fingers up his brother's asshole!
"Aaaaaahhhhhh!" Dad groaned, welcoming this intrusion. "Fuck! Give it to me Brian. Fist my shitty hole!"
Slowly, Dad got up on all fours. He positioned himself over me, his cock hanging over my mouth.
"My fuckhole is so hungry, Brian! I need your fist up my ass!"
Uncle Brian took his mouth off of my dick and knelt between my outstreatched legs and Dad's upturned ass. He worked several fingers in and out of Dad's asshole. The pasty goo oozing out of Dad's shithole served as lube as Uncle Brian inserted all five of his fingers in Dad's butthole!
"Fuck yeah! Give it to me, little brother! More!" Dad groaned, pushing his hairy ass back onto Uncle Brian's disappearing fingers. The knuckles penetrated. Dad maoned out loud and reached for the bottle of Rush.
I could hear him inhaling the vapors from the bottle deeply. I sucked his cock into my mouth.
"Ah fuck!" Dad cried out, as my head jerked upward to swallow his semi-hard cock and Uncle Brian's hand sunk into Dad's gaping, hungry hole!
"How's that feel, brother?"
"Fuckin' wonderful, Brian! Fuck me! Punch my ass, little brother!"
Uncle Brian scooped some of the shit from my body and coated his arm
with it. Sighing with animal lust he began fucking Dad's ass with his
fist.
"More! More!" Dad grunted, pushing his ass back taking more of Uncle
Brian's arm up his ass. "Find something up there you like, Brian?"
"I feel shit, Chris!" Uncle Brian yelled, "I can feel your fuckin' butt
slop!"
"Yeah! Dig for shit, little brother! Dig for my stinking shit! That's
your playground, Brian! Give it to me, fucker! Punch my dirty ass!"
Uncle Brian pistoned his fist in and out of Dad's ass. When he withdrew
his hand completely I could feel Dad's warm shit oozing out of his
asshole onto my dick. I sucked his cock harder.
"Yeah! You fuckiin' cocksucker! Suck my dick, Philip! Suck it while
your Uncle fists my shitty asshole!"
"Fuckin' shit pigs!" Uncle Brian shouted. "We're fuckin' dirty pigs!"
"Fist my raunchy ass, Brian! Shove your fuckin' arm up my dirty ass!"
Uncle Brian lunged forward. Dad's greedy hole swallowed his brother's
arm up to the elbow!
"Yes! Yes! You fuckin' bitch! Pound my ass, Brian! Suck my fuckin'
dick, Philip! Don't stop! Please don't stop, the both of you!
Aaaaaahhhhhh! Fuck!"
Uncle Brian and I worked in unison giving pleasure to Dad. The one
fisting; the other sucking; Dad moaning in ecstacy.
"Need more!" Dad yelled. "I wanna feel Philip's fist up my ass with
yours too!"
I gasped as Dad pulled his dick out of my mouth.
"Get back there with your Uncle, Philip, and shove your fist up my
hungry asshole! I want you both at the same time!"
I wiggled myself from beneath my Dad and knelt beside my Uncle Brian
whose arm was embedded in his brother's shithole.
"There's some crisco in the toy bag, Philip. Lube your hand up with
it."
I retrieved the can and proceded to grease up my hand and forearm.
"Are you ready, Philip?"
"Oh yeah!" I hissed as Uncle Brian retracted his arm to his wrist.
"Fuck me, guys!" Dad hollered, "I wanna feel the both of you up my ass
digging for shit!"
"Slide your fingers up your Dad's ass, one at a time, Philip. Do it
slow. Take your time. When you're all the way in, hold my hand!"
I did as I was told. One finger at a time.
"Fuck! Fuck!" Dad yelled. "Give it to me, son!"
Slowly, my hand disappeared into the gaping, dirty hole. My hand slid
alongside that of my Uncle's and he curled his fingers around mine.
"Ah shit!" Dad let out a loud gasp. He looked back at us, his eyes
glazed with lust. "Fucking pigs!" he screamed. "Fuck me! Fist fuck
my shitty ass!"
In tandem, Uncle Brian and I pumped our fists deeper and deeper into the
willing, hungry asshole. As we fisted Dad's ass, Uncle Brian kissed me
deeply. Our mouths greedily sucking each other's tongues as our fists
punched away in the sewer of my Dad's filthy butthole.
"Aaaaaahhhhhh! Yeeeeessssss! Yeah! Pound my motherfuckin' dirty ass!
Fuck me! Dig the shit outta my ass, you fuckin' sluts! Fuckin' pigs!"
As I gazed upwards, the candles flickered softly, casting their glow
upon the cross which the three of us, eerily were kneeling before.
Together, we were upon the altar of Raunch. A new sacrificial lamb was
being offered up to the God of Shit!
I clasped my Uncle Brian's huge, uncut cock in my free hand and began
stroking.
"Jack me off, Philip! Make me cum!"
I pull and pull on his cock, milking the pre-cum from his pisshole. He
reaches for my dick and returns the favor. Stroke for stroke, we
masturbate one another as we bury our fists up Dad's filthy asshole.
A million shocks of pleausure envelope my body. I'm tingling all over.
So much has happened to me tonight. So many new discoveries. Pain with
pleasure. Pleasure with pain!
The journey that began several months ago has opened up for me a whole
new world that I embrace willingly.
"Yes! Yes! Jack me off too, Uncle Brian! I wanna cum again!"
Together, the three of us pull on cocks. We are untied, bound together
in a very special union.
"Fuck! Fuck!" we gasp in unison, "I'm gonna fuckin' shoot!"
Our bodies heave and tremble. Dad impales himself more deeply upon mine
and Uncle Brian's fists as he ejaculates upon the floor.
One by one. One right after another, our cocks explode sending ropes of
cum flying in the air.
As Uncle Brian and I retract our hands from Dad's ass, a slurping sound
is heard. His puckering bud flares and a foul smelling fart hisses from
his fisted hole. It's stink fills my nostrils as I collapse onto him,
my mouth at his asshole. Sucking. Nursing at the brown shit log he's
pushing out of his asshole into my mouth.
I tumble onto the floor, my mouth filled with Dad's shit. Uncle Brian
collapses beside me and kisses me deeply. A sloppy, slurping shit kiss.
Dad too, crashes to the floor, panting heavily in the aftermath of his
orgasm. He moans and releases a flow of warm piss that streams its way
towards Uncle Brian and I.
I am in heaven! The journey of a boy to manhood is completed.
Epilogue
January 1, 2000
It's cold outside. The wind is whipping snow against the window. I'm
making this enty into my journal sitting on a rim seat gazing at the
falling snow.
Dad is under the rim seat receiving my morning dump, the way he always
does, in his hungry mouth!
As for Uncle Brian. He lives here with Dad and I now. He's our lover.
We're each other's lovers. Strange isn't it, how things come about?
As Dad feeds from my asshole, Uncle Brian is sucking on my pissing cock.
Outside, the snow is swirling. Everything is beautiful. What more
could a sixteen-year-old teenage boy ask for?
You tell me! Slashdot.org
Its current (stable) distro has the oldest Linux software of any of the major distributions. If they do not release a 3.0 stable soon, they will most likely go the way of other dearly departed Linux Distributions, such as SLS (Steve's Linux System), and Yggdrasil.
Lots of current Debian users have all ready moved on to Gentoo. And while it is a fairly nice setup, I will continue to enjoy my uncrackable OpenBSD install. There's a reason they're going on 5 years without a remote hack.
debian is old outdated crap made by a bunch of stuck up assholes.
just use a real distro.
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Debian is just an hobby toy for rabid people who like to argue on the internet.
# New check (July 2002): there is a max number of posts per 24-hour
# period, either based on IPID for anonymous users, or on UID for
# logged-in users. Logged-in users get a max number of posts that
# is related to their karma. The comments_perday_bykarma var
# controls it (that var is turned into a hashref in MySQL.pm when
# the vars table is read in, whose keys we loop over to find the
# appropriate level).
if ($user->{is_anon} && $constants->{comments_perday_anon}
&& !$user->{is_admin}) {
my $num_comm_posted = $slashdb->getNumCommPostedAnonByIPID(
$user->{ipid}, 24);
if ($num_comm_posted >= $constants->{comments_perday_anon}) {
$$error_message = getError('comments post limit daily', {
limit => $constants->{comments_perday_anon}
});
$form_success = 0;
return;
}
} elsif (!$user->{is_anon} && $constants->{comments_perday_bykarma}
&& !$user->{is_admin}) {
my $num_comm_posted = $slashdb->getNumCommPostedByUID(
$user->{uid}, 24);
my $num_allowed = 9999;
K_CHECK: for my $k (sort { $a <=> $b }
keys %{$constants->{comments_perday_bykarma}}) {
if ($user->{karma} <= $k) {
$num_allowed = $constants->{comments_perday_bykarma}{$k};
last K_CHECK;
}
}
if ($num_comm_posted >= $num_allowed) {
$$error_message = getError('comments post limit daily', {
limit => $num_allowed
});
$form_success = 0;
return;
}
}
I've been trying to find that message and could not find it in the [crap] slashdot search. Can any of you good trolls post that for the sake of our sanity?
-1: 45 comments
0: 31 comments
1: 10 comments
2: 2 comments
3 and 4 and 5 all have zero in them!
note that the totals above are cumulative so the -1 number includes all the others (ie -1 and higher).
-- Terry
Call It A Night, Cowboy!
Slashdot only allows anonymous users to post 10 times per day. You've already shared your thoughts with us that many times. Take a breather, and come back and see us in 24 hours or so.
If you think this is unfair, please email jamie@mccarthy.vg with your MD5'd IPID, which is
928347982374932749
Did you ever notice how slashdot is like america?
They just keep taking away more and more freedoms in an attempt to make it more nice/secure/friendly/whatever and it stays the same or gets worse...haha.
There are many other parallels with the crapiness of america but i'm to lazy to write them all down.
I'll leave that as an excersize to the reader.
http://www.debian.org go here and try it!
Re:[on by] pearls of wisdom, now at 0! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 14, @00:44 (#3879333)
Wow i almost forgot how much perl fucking sucks.
That was a blast from the past.
[ Reply to This | Parent ]
How come debian sucks? (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 13, @23:51 (#3879191) Why is it that my bios can recognize my usb mouse but debian cant?
Huh?
[ Reply to This | Parent ]
Re:How come debian sucks? (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 14, @00:27 (#3879296)
That was totally on topic. Everybody knows that debian is a shite distro, so why aren't we allowed to mention that on slashdot?
[ Reply to This | Parent ]
Lick 'em good (Score:-1, Troll)
by That Dell Guy on Saturday July 13, @23:56 (#3879203) Alter Relationship
(User #579690 Info | http://www.dell.com/) Lick my nuts and ENJOY it.
You have tried to oppress us for the last time.
The HOLY TROLL JIHAD will soon be upon you.
Dude... you are so getting a Dell!
[ Reply to This | Parent ] crap (Score:-1, Troll)
by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 13, @23:58 (#3879213) Jaime McCarthy is a fag, linux sucks, MS ownz you, suck my dick, etc, Kathleen fent is a hoe, Rob Mald a is a turd burlgarhi, just posting crap, please mod down to -1.
[ Reply to This | Parent ] SUVs are for fags (Score:-1, Troll)
by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 14, @00:02 (#3879221) don't vote for gray davis
SUVs are for fags
[ Reply to This | Parent ] OT: I would just like to point out that... (Score:-1, Troll)
by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 14, @00:02 (#3879223)
[ Reply to This | Parent ] [BAS] Impressive!! (Score:-1, Troll)
by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 14, @00:03 (#3879226) 100% noise, 0% signal. The ed's fucked up...
[ Reply to This | Parent ] What's debian? (Score:-1, Troll)
by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 14, @00:04 (#3879228) Hi. I heard lots of stories about security bugs in debian on
I'm an intelligent apple user, how would u define Debian to me?
[ Reply to This | Parent ]
Re:What's debian? (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 14, @00:20 (#3879268)
Yes, Debian is the next version of Apache
But you need ssh to boot a Debian, so you all guessed right Mr Troll
[ Reply to This | Parent ]
Re:What's debian? (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 14, @01:14 (#3879426)
It would not surprise me if Ian found Debian booting via ssh as "intuitive",
much in the same way as he found bash(1) "intuitive" and
made the whold distro depend on a bloated shel. Then
again, I will prefer Ian and this (unbounded ego)
than the TC of today.
[ Reply to This | Parent ]
who cares? (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 14, @00:29 (#3879299) Debian is just an hobby toy for rabid people who like to argue on the internet.
[ Reply to This | Parent ] Please repost "Debian is dying" bsd-is-dying-clone (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 14, @00:42 (#3879327) I've been trying to find that message and could not find it in the [crap] slashdot search. Can any of you good trolls post that for the sake of our sanity?
[ Reply to This | Parent ] [on by] current thresholds (now at 0!) (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 14, @00:46 (#3879339) -1: 45 comments
0: 31 comments
1: 10 comments
2: 2 comments
3 and 4 and 5 all have zero in them!
note that the totals above are cumulative so the -1 number includes all the others (ie -1 and higher).
[ Reply to This | Parent ] LOL and slashdot gets a bit gayer! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 14, @00:51 (#3879355) Call It A Night, Cowboy!
Slashdot only allows anonymous users to post 10 times per day. You've already shared your thoughts with us that many times. Take a breather, and come back and see us in 24 hours or so.
If you think this is unfair, please email jamie@mccarthy.vg with your MD5'd IPID, which is
928347982374932749
[ Reply to This | Parent ] slashdot is like america (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 14, @00:54 (#3879360) Did you ever notice how slashdot is like america?
They just keep taking away more and more freedoms in an attempt to make it more nice/secure/friendly/whatever and it stays the same or gets worse...haha.
There are many other parallels with the crapiness of america but i'm to lazy to write them all down.
I'll leave that as an excersize to the eader.
[ Reply to This | Parent ]
Warning! Goatse.cx link in parent!
Grins. That was not exactly my experience. I used to work with him whilst he was doing a summer job before he went to Cambridge. He didn't actually get fired or have to resign; but let's just say that at the time he was rather more interested in security than the system administrators would wish perhaps...
Anyway he matured loads at Cambridge; must have done, cos he's still alive ;-)
Bloody smart guy.
-WolfWithoutAClause
"Gravity is only a theory, not a fact!"Yes! DebianGNU/Linux does got soul, it is the distro. of choice.
I can't wait until the stable 3.0 release will arrive, it will kick the other distros. out from the distro marked.
Shame on me, opensource is about sharing, and have freedom of choice.
I choose debian.
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12. What happens if an intellectual property owner, who claims that your use of GPL code infringes its intellectual property rights, sues you? As noted above, Section 11 suggests that you are "on your own" with respect to defense of the suit and payment for damages.
13. What is the extent of your liability for GPL-related infringements? Several provisions of the GPL may be read as requiring a GPL licensee to effectively sublicense its rights to the rest of the world (e.g., Section 2, relating to the modification and distribution of GPL works). GPL licensees should ask themselves whether, and to what extent, they might be responsible for the actions of their sub-licensees. For example, suppose Business A distributes a modified copy of GPL code to Businesses B, C, and D, and each of them further distributes 1000 copies. If Business A is sued for patent infringement relating to its use of GPL software, the patent owner might claim that the business is liable for direct infringement based upon the three copies distributed to Businesses B, C, and D and is further liable for direct, contributory, or induced infringement by the 3000 additional copies distributed by these businesses (and, of course, any and all later distributions by such businesses and their downstream sub-licensees). While actual liability would depend upon a host of factual issues, if Business A has deeper pockets than the other businesses, it should not be surprised to find plaintiff's counsel pursuing such an approach and claiming theoretically unlimited damages caused by Business A's limited initial distribution.
14. Can the author of a GPL program 'unilaterally' withdraw your right to distribute the program? Section 8 of the GPL gives "the original copyright holder who places the Program under this License" the right to preclude distribution in certain countries based on patents or interface copyrights. It is not clear that a licensee has any right to object to this restriction, which may be solely within the discretion of the original copyright holder. It is also not clear whether this restriction can be imposed retroactively, although Section 8 does say, "this License incorporates the limitation as if written in the body of this License." Companies relying on GPL code should carefully consider the potential impact such a geographical restriction could have on their business.
15. Can you use GPL tools in the development of your own software without subjecting your software to the GPL? As noted above, the GPL is sometimes referred to as being 'viral' because it attempts to subject related third-party code and intellectual property to the GPL. People concerned about this aspect of the GPL are probably careful about modifying GPL programs or combining their code with GPL code, but they may assume that their use of GPL tools cannot 'infect' the software they are developing. While this is probably true in many cases, it is not necessarily a safe assumption. For example, the 'Bison' parser developed by Richard Stallman, Robert Corbett and Wilfred Hansen was licensed under the GPL for some time before users realized that the software they were developing with the tool was arguably subject to the GPL. The potential exposure resulted from the parser's inclusion of incidental GPL material in the tool's output. In response to this problem, Bison version 1.24 and later was distributed with a 'special exception' regarding output files. The implication is that businesses concerned about the possible infection of their software by the GPL should make sure they consider: what, if any, GPL tools are being used by their developers; how those tools are used; and the possibility that such uses might subject their own code to the GPL.
16. If the GPL requires you to 'contribute' your modifications to GPL code to 'the community,' are you sure that your competitors are doing the same? Assuming that two competitors are making similar use of GPL code, their obligations under the GPL should be the same. There are, however, a number of scenarios to consider. Some competitors may not understand their obligations under the GPL and, for that reason, might not share their improvements with competitors. Other competitors' interpretation of the GPL might lead them to conclude that they have no obligation because they might believe the GPL is unenforceable in its entirety. Some competitors may intentionally ignore their obligations under the GPL to obtain a competitive advantage, relying on a variety of factors to avoid compliance. These factors might include obscuring object code to hide use of GPL code and the strength and enforcement of intellectual property laws in the country where they are doing business.
17. Does the GPL present any special challenges for businesses developing or distributing products with embedded software? The GPL does not expressly impose any 'special' obligations on embedded software businesses, but embedded businesses should consider whether the GPL presents any unique risks based upon scenarios common to the embedded product space. For example, the manufacturer of a hardware system that includes some embedded GPL software and some of the manufacturer's own proprietary software may find it particularly important to carefully assess whether the GPL and proprietary software form a 'mere aggregation' (GPL infection disclaimed under Section 2); a 'collective work' (GPL infection apparently intended); or something else altogether. Some embedded software developers, such as Caldera and Wind River, have publicly expressed concerns about the risks associated with the GPL.
18. Are your software developers aware of the many development-related issues that may affect GPL risks and obligations? Are you asking (or allowing) them to act as your legal counsel and are you willing to accept that risk? Are you 'betting your business' on informal or anonymous interpretations of the GPL posted on the Internet? As noted by the Free Software Foundation (FSF), the potential implications of the GPL on software development ultimately depend on the way in which judges will interpret provisions of the GPL. A host of relatively detailed, development-related questions are also likely to be critical. You should probably make sure your developers are asking themselves a number of questions, including: Given the subtle nature of some of the legal issues presented by the GPL, you should also make sure your developers know when to consult legal counsel regarding any potential risks presented by a particular development activity. All businesses would be well advised to avoid taking actions based upon general 'understandings' of the GPL that are not based on a careful reading of the agreement itself.
19. Who can you go to if you have a question regarding the GPL's interpretation, want to clarify your risks under the GPL, or amend your obligations? The GPL was developed under the auspices of the FSF. The FSF is not, however, necessarily the owner of any and all intellectual property rights embodied in particular programs licensed under the GPL. Section 10 recognizes this by suggesting that a GPL licensee could write to a program's author (or authors) for permission to distribute the program under different terms. In some cases, no single person or entity may own all of these property rights. As a result, a prospective (or existing) GPL licensee may find it impractical, if not impossible, to negotiate a desired change in its rights and obligations or even obtain a clarification of those rights and obligations. Even if a licensee were somehow able to identify key contributors and reach agreement with all of them regarding a desired change or clarification, presumably those contributors would be unwilling or unable to represent and warrant that they had the entire right and title required to do so.
20. Are you using any software governed by the Lesser General Public License (LGPL) and, if so, how does that license affect your rights and obligations? The LGPL was developed by the FSF to give library developers an alternative to the GPL. Specifically, although the FSF generally discourages use of the LGPL, it notes that "using the Library GPL permits use of the library in commercial programs." The LGPL retains the 'viral' provisions of the GPL in the context of modifications to an LGPL library (Section 2). But a different set of obligations are imposed when code is linked to an LGPL library (Sections 5 and 6). If you are developing programs that link to LGPL libraries you should review and understand these obligations. You should also check whether the LGPL libraries used, in turn, link to other libraries and especially consider the implications if the LGPL library links to a GPL library.
21. Does the use of GPL software reduce the acquisition value of your company (as a start-up) or a particular business unit (as a spin-off)? As noted above, the GPL attempts, under certain circumstances, to subject licensees' code and related intellectual property to the terms of the GPL (see, e.g., Section 3). Once your software is 'infected' by the GPL, it is not clear whether and how this process can be reversed. So, while GPL code may seem like an inexpensive, convenient and useful way for a start-up to develop a new product quickly, it may also have costly and long-term consequences for the start-up. Parties interested in acquiring the business are likely to conclude, as a part of any acquisition due diligence, that the business has already effectively given away most of the commercial value in its code.
22. Does your use of GPL code present any issues re shareholder value and exposure to suit? In the context of initial public offerings, at least some businesses based upon GPL software have concluded that such software introduces risks that should be disclosed as part of the offering. These risks include: the companies 'inability' to offer warranties and indemnities because the code is developed by independent parties over whom the offering business has no control or supervision; the uncertain future of the code base (will further development occur and, if so, in what direction); the availability of the same code from other sources for free; and concerns about negative reactions from the open source community. (These issues are discussed in the '10Ks' of several of the publicly traded companies that distribute GPL programs). If you are beginning to use GPL code, you should ask whether this presents similar risks to your business.
23. Do you have a process for reviewing and approving prospective uses of GPL software? Are you willing to use precious developer resources required to assess the impact of prospective uses of GPL code that you will depend on? Most businesses that are engaged in software development establish procedures to avoid tainting their development process with software that is subject to other people's intellectual property rights. Although GPL code is often described as 'free,' as noted above it may impose severe obligations on users and is perhaps even more deserving of a company-wide process regarding review and approval before use.
24. Do you have or need any special procedures regarding potential GPL issues created by your licensing of third-party software and or acquisitions of software? Given the potential effect that the GPL may have on code and intellectual property acquired by (or licensed into) a company, it may make sense for businesses to develop procedures to ensure that such acquisitions and licenses are reviewed for GPL issues. For example, many companies have established 'due diligence' procedures to help them identify and evaluate potential issues associated with the acquisition of businesses, product lines, and intellectual property rights. Companies pursuing software-related acquisitions or investments should probably consider whether their due diligence procedures should be updated to specifically address GPL-related issues.
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I shouldn't feed the various trolls, but I guess I will. For one, someone mentioned OpenBSD's no remote hole in 5 years... Well that has changed now. Debian can compete with OpenBSD directly in the realm of security, because Debian backports EVERYTHING. They audit their code. No, they don't tout this fact like Theo does, but Debian is defintely covering their bases. And, you can be sure they will release a advisory AND a patch in a timely manner. Debian maintainers are some of the most talented guys out there, and highly motivated.
Someone said that Debian was dying because it hasn't made a stable release.. Well, clueless troll you are! Run Unstable. It is _cutting edge_.
I have ran Debian since 1.3, and for most of those years, I have used the unstable branch exclusively. I have been burned by it maybe 3 times. 3 bugs bad enough to affect my life. And every bug was fixed within a day. Let's see m$ or anyone else have that level of dedication.
Debian is very much alive and well, thank you very much, and I will continue to use for years to come, and should they stop maintaining, I will be happy to contribute, just to keep it going. Security, current packages, and reliability. Not bad for free software.
From an old fart whose first Linux box was Yggdrasil, whose second was SLS, and who is now a Debian developer.
'sup with that session-id? Shouldn't you strip it from the link...
Do they still exist? Can a project continue to work without a few senior/proven leaders?
Who founded debian then? I'm confused.
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J'Raxis humps the dogs! AL THE TIME, DAMMMIT!!!!!
-meerkat
Mind you, the bug is one thing but the attitude and culture of Debian are quite another. With such a horrible installer, why didn't the Debian people consider it job one to fix it? As a QA guy I think to myself, how dare they ship something so obviously flawed. What the hell are their priorities. It is still the same. There are outstanding bugs in Debian packages that were reported one and two years ago. Debian progress can only be measured on a glacial time scale.
And to be certain, things haven't changed much since my first encounter. Oh, the installer might be somewhat improved. But overall, Debian is an incoherent mishmash of half-baked packages, each with a zillion dependencies on other half-baked packages. Without a doubt, Debian is the most amateurish of all the Linux distributions. The Debian folks just don't give a damn. They live in their own detached world of deluded self-important unreality and are in complete denial on the needs of the average software user. If Debian just went away, it would be no great loss. Those considering Debian should reconsider. Give Gentoo a try. Or if you want something that just works without surprises, there is always Red Hat.
This is just a reminder to all the editors to eat my shit.
This crapflood dedicated to Trollaxor.com. FAGGORT!!!
I like to have fun at -1, but the editors didn't give me any choice. You see, a member of my (low-karma) caste is now only allowed to post 2 messages per day.
Thus I'll probably be posting my fun messages as "Anonymous Coward" more often that not.
Personally, I was content to post at -1. But since the editors are apparently less committed to free speech than they once were, they have decided to shift the focus of this site from technology and science to some sort of battle ground between the editors, moderators, and the "trolls" (the sad label that small minds place on we comedians and ne'er-do-wells).
If you are a reader who doesn't normally read at -1, I am sorry for wasting your time with this message. But you must understand-I had no choice.
The freedom to use the site as it was originally intended is at stake! There is only one solution.
Your Mission is to post completely whacked-out nuttiness on this board! Don't let yourself be branded by labels like "Terrible," "Excellent," or "Bad!" YOU DO IT WRONG, my friends!
The first step is easy: merely turn your threshold down to -1 and drink in the rich absurdity.
You may find that the juxtaposition of another tired "Microsoft vs Linux" debate with first-person account of psychdelic drug use, a tale of a heroic, sentient ATM is too heady a mix to resist.
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you mean "linux."
At the same time (in the late 80s) Bell Labs made an Operating System called /;p;};}' %" to read
...thanks to the new system, 11 out of the first 12 comments appear to be trolls (mostly AC). Great work, /. Now I don't have to lower my threshold to be entertained! [ Reply to This | Parent ] [BAS] Impressive!! (Score:-1, Troll) /. but what is debian? Is it like ssh and apache?
:) [ Reply to This | Parent ]
;).
UNIX, a copy off of MS-DOS only without the UI. In Unix, you had to type commands
your e-mail or "find . | awk -F/ '{for (x=1;xNF;x++) { printf "\t"}; print
$NF}'" to make a new document for word processing. Over 10 years later and they
still don't have the industry standard GUI (Good User Interface).
You may be wondering where Linux comes in. Linux is based on Unix, only 10 years
later. It was started in 1996, when cracker (computer criminal) Linus Torvalds
decided to create a free clone of the obsolete operating system. Obviously
rebelliously (and questionably illegally) he created this clone with help of
other hackers. After 6 years, it finally has a UI (though not a GUI) and runs on
most x86 processors available (except Pentium 4).
Meanwhile, Microsoft has done nothing but innovate. Over the past few years,
their GUI is the most acclaimed. Don't believe me? Just ask Linus. He was
recently quoted in IT Professionals Today Magazine as saying "Linux may not be
as stable, secure, or easy to use as Windows, but I'm going to try my hardest."
So who are you going to stick with? The hunter or the hunted? It may be fun to
root for the underdog at sporting events like the SuperBowl, but when it comes to
your business, your family, and your money, who are you rooting for? Are you
going to root for the fly-by-night operating systems or the ones that will fly
and take you where you want to go today? [ Reply to This | Parent ] Headline of story should read... (Score:-1, Troll)
by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 13, @08:01PM (#3879218) "Interview with someone that 99.9% of the Earth's population has never heard of."
Thanks, bye. [ Reply to This | Parent ]
* Re:Headline of story should read... Saturday July 13, @08:03PM
o Re:Headline of story should read... by Anonymous Coward (Score:-1) Saturday July 13, @08:12PM
o Re:Headline of story should read... by Anonymous Coward (Score:-1) Saturday July 13, @08:38PM
SUVs are for fags (Score:-1, Troll)
by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 13, @08:02PM (#3879221) don't vote for gray davis
SUVs are for fags
[ Reply to This | Parent ] OT: I would just like to point out that... (Score:-1, Troll)
by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 13, @08:02PM (#3879223)
by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 13, @08:03PM (#3879226) 100% noise, 0% signal. The ed's fucked up... [ Reply to This | Parent ] What's debian? (Score:-1, Troll)
by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 13, @08:04PM (#3879228) Hi. I heard lots of stories about security bugs in debian on
I'm an intelligent apple user, how would u define Debian to me? [ Reply to This | Parent ]
* Re:What's debian? by Anonymous Coward (Score:-1) Saturday July 13, @08:20PM
o Re:What's debian? Saturday July 13, @09:14PM
Desktop or Server (Score:3, Insightful)
by xannik on Saturday July 13, @08:04PM (#3879230)
(User #534808 Info | http://www.xannik.com/) I would be interested for slashdot to host and interview with Ian. As a user of gentoo linux I have experienced much of the power of a ports based system with its portage package management system, which has close ties to Debian's very own apt-get and dpkg. Debian seems very focused on a stable kernel, even more so than any other distribution I know of. Would it not serve Debian to focus more on the Server side of things and leave the desktop to the propeller heads, Gentoo that is.
* Re:Desktop or Server by reaper20 (Score:2) Saturday July 13, @08:12PM
o Re:Desktop or Server Saturday July 13, @08:24PM
* Re:Desktop or Server by Anonymous Coward (Score:-1) Saturday July 13, @09:33PM
* Re:Desktop or Server by jsse (Score:3) Sunday July 14, @02:15AM
[on by] Trollbusters! (Score:-1, Troll)
by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 13, @08:06PM (#3879237) If there's somethin' strange and you can't get wood
Who ya gonna call (goatsebusters! [goatse.cx])
If its asshole's wide an' it won't look good
Who ya gonna call? (goatsebusters! [goatse.cx])
I ain't afraid a no goatse
I ain't afraid a no goatse
If you're seein' Rob sucking on some head
Who can you call? (goatsebusters! [goatse.cx])
An' anus stretched man sleepin' in your bed
Oh who ya gonna call? (goatsebusters! [goatse.cx])
I ain't afraid a no goatse
I ain't afraid a no goatse
Who ya gonna call? (goatsebusters! [goatse.cx])
If you're all alone playing with your bone
Just call (goatsebusters! [goatse.cx])
I ain't afraid a no goatse
I hear it likes the cock
I ain't afraid a no goatse
Who you gonna call? (goatsebusters! [goatse.cx])
Mm...if you've had a dose
Of a freaky goatse anus
You better call goatsebusters! [goatse.cx]
Fistin' makes me feel good
I ain't afraid a no goatses
Don't get caught alone oh no...goatsebuster
When he cums on your floor
Unless you've just got some more
I think you better call goatsebusters! [goatse.cx]
Ooh... who you gonna call? (goatsebusters! [goatse.cx])
Who you gonna call? (goatsebusters! [goatse.cx])
Ah, I think you better call (goatsebusters! [goatse.cx])
I can't hear you...(goatsebusters! [goatse.cx])
Who you gonna call? (goatsebusters! [goatse.cx])
Louder goatsebusters! [goatse.cx]
Who you gonna call? (goatsebusters! [goatse.cx])
Who you can call goatsebusters! [goatse.cx]...(till fade)
[ Reply to This | Parent ] My experiences in the missionary position (Score:-1, Troll)
by rasactive (hslice52@myac[ ]et ['c.n' in gap]) on Saturday July 13, @08:08PM (#3879240)
(User #528598 Info | http://www.dms100.org/worksucks) Hello Slashdot:
How are things in the civilized world? You probably don't know who I am. That's
okay. I'm here to inform you of my mission, what I've found, and what I hope to
teach all of you.
I work for the United Christians Food for Poor Kids Foundation, and let me tell
you, there's a lot of poor kids in Afghanistan. As in most countries in the
Middle East, most people are unemployed, and therefore poor. And where there's a
lot of poor people, UCFPKF is needed.
UCFPKF always has the latest in technology. In this instance, we had access to
some Pentium 4's(r) 2GHz. Obviously, we needed an operating system that could
handle the power of Intel's beast. Unfortunately, we didn't have any computer
experts on hand up to the task, so it was going to be trial and error.
We'd heard good things about Linux and its "ACL's". Little did we know of its
incompatibility with modern hardware. It didn't even support Token Ring
networking, the newest form of Ethernet(r), which we require to always keep
in contact between bases. Also, it didn't seem to use SSE optimizations, which
when processing food amounts, are also very important. Also, there were
homo-erotic implications in the structure of Linux, which is strictly
unallowable in a Christian organization such as ours,
The next obvious step was to install Windows. We hesitated because we knew that
it was common knowledge that Windows crashed incessantly. Our experience was
less than stellar. It also didn't support Token Ring networking. Security is
important in this region because many people try to steal food, but "Windows
2000" (which I hear didn't even come out in 2000) doesn't even allow you to
have seperate permissions. Once again, the SSE optimizations were not used.
I was in a situation that seemed impossible. The two most famous operating
systems had failed me. I walked around the base in a dazed stupor. What was I
going to do for our ultra-important network? A boy saw me pouting and sighing,
and asked me what was wrong. I said nothing, but we exchanged names, and little
did I know, that young Junis had a gift for computers.
Junis saw me the next day, slaving away at the sparse terminal that "Windows
2000" makes you type in. He asked what I was doing with that primitive OS. I
laughed and told him that I was doing inventory. He ran to his village, into his
hut, and pulled out a box I had never seen before. The box said "SCO Xenix" the
front. I had never seen or heard of this Xenix before. But I soon learned that
Junis was a computer genius.
All we had to do was put the Xenix CD into the computer, and everything worked
like magic (not the devil's magic... good magic:) ). Our Token Ring network
integrated flawlessly with it. And it even used SSE optimizations. Well, me and
Junis are now on a new mission. We're spreading the word. It might not be the
word of the lord, but then again, maybe it is
SCO Xenix: The Unix of Tomorrow.
Janet Milman
Network Administrator, UCFPKF
Afghanistan base
I love Debian. I am a user. Without Ian and the other folks. I would be nowhere (using "%&8&$-Redhat) and go to dependency hell every other weekend.
Thank You!
rpm of course isn't anywhere near as snazzy as dpkg: you basically can't do remote, incremental upgrades without reboot
I always thought that it were the "losers" in de Debian userbase who don't know anything, but it seems that it even counts for project leaders.
Dpkg and rpm can do just about the same.
You can use a frontend for them to handle the dependencies, like apt or urpmi.
With rpm you can do incremental upgrades. I'm running Mandrake Cooker for about one and a half year, and it mostly works (ok, it's a development version of Mandrake).
Rpm can do post-install scripts and all the rest.
And you can upgrade from a gcc-2.96 distro to a gcc-3.1 distro.
It annoys me to hell when I read messages from Debian users on forums or on Usenet like "rpm sucks" and then try to explain why. Now, if even project leaders talk this kind of shit, it explains to me why the Debian userbase sucks.
Well, I can only assume he hasn't seen rpm in 5 years or so.....
That's the only excuse I can think of.
Well, don't worry about that. We can get you back before you leave. (Dr. Who)
Yggdrasil isn't dead. I am running a Ydrassil system that I set up on a 386 DX-33 (8mb of RAM) box about 8 years ago. The great thing about any Linux distribution is that you can upgrade the software manually, thanks to the source being available, including the kernel and libraries. Of course, on the desktop side, the Microsoft Windows series is still King. In the future, expect many game servers to be written for Linux systems, with clients mainly available on Windows and Mac platforms.
Steven Woston
Lead Programmer, J-j-j-julius SoftwareWhen I was at Cambridge, a couple of people living in the staircase opposite his knew him as "Nudey Man" because of his habit of greeting the new day by throwing open his curtains while naked.
Debian Stable is perfect for servers because it is stable. By definition, a 2.2 kernel is more stable than a 2.4 kernel, and arguably a 2.0.39 kernel would be best if you want to minimize uncertainties and surprises. That would explain the continuing development into 2.0.40 and the 2.2.x tree.
Althogh I know of people running idle "servers" that have money to burn for bragging rights, most serious server administrators actually have a budget. Hobby or professional, that means that 1000bT and RAID aren't usually purchased until the previous component is actually a bottleneck. Does SAN really exist outside of the enterprise? How many home servers are on SMP capable motherboards (including the infamously unstable BP6)?
Perhaps your 120GB of data really is crap, which could explain why instead of being properly partitioned, it is existing on a filesystem almost certainly an order of magnitude larger than it should be (according to any Unix administration rule of thumb). If this is the case, then maybe you won't care about your files falling corrupt when your journalling FS sacrifices them for the sake of metadata cohesion. I'm certain that a home server has no feasible means of backup for such a filesystem, so if the data weren't crap, the filesystem should be at least as stable as ext2 with asynch writes disabled.
Again, the point of Debian Stable, in case you didn't catch it, is that it is stable. Many servers are values more for their robustness, which is a typical byproduct of maintained stability. Flaws are addressed by backporting fixes without new features exposing new flaws. The latest featured advances in Linux based systems are definitely useful, but contradictory to the goal of stability. Rather than mad haphazard patching, Debian suggests tracking their Stable tree, which maintains well tested patches that don't add features. If this is a public system, then security takes a justifiable front seat to stability, and so follow that tree as well.
As for your parting shots, Debian Stable is indeed suitable for large systems, especially when it is hard for physical RAM to reach "large" in personal class servers. RAM too large to autodetect in less-than-recent kernels is easily accessible by passing the value to the kernel during boot.
Multiprocessor systems are definitely useable, the latest advances in 2.5 don't negate the previously available SMP functionality of 2.2. If you are maxxing out your SMP hardware, maybe less stability would be a valuable tradeoff for improved SMP utilization. Is your home server stressing the locking schemes? Remeber, Seti@home won't benefit from improved SMP - you still have to run multiple instances of the client.
If you use "PC" in the Intel-x86 sense, then you couldn't be further from the mark. Debian Stable supports a wider range of platforms than any competing GNU distribution's latest release. Higher Debian releases support even more architectures. I don't think SGI or IBM servers could really fall within the scope of semi-pro or personal without aiming half a decade into the past.
As for attached storage, propose a home or semi-pro serving situation where there will be heavy writing activity which may benefit from a journaling FS so that I know where you are coming from. Most serving implies reading, not writing of files, and serving from a read-only filesystem might even be prudent. (Notice my previous comment about partitions.)
As for your pissant serving tasks, wouldn't stability still be top priority? To promote further discussion, please point out which distros handle routing and firewalling better then Debian, and just how so. Which features are better than stability?
Honestly, I don't think any distro yet available will stop you from shooting yourself in the foot if you insist on running a "server" without following standard administrative guidelines... what does your fstab look like? Does your primary serving task involve MPEG2 rips of LotR, Shindlers List and Dances with Wolves? Please, choose between personal, semi-pro, or enterprise class serving. (SAN? give me a break.)
"Sure, Linux 2.2 is old, but it's heavily tested, and stable as hell". Fair enough, when when you start upgrading to a later brank of the kernel, you aren't running that "heavily tested stable as hell" kernel any more.... same level of testing and abuse...
stable but 3 years out of date.... yada yada.
If your hardware is brand new and only supported by unstable Linux, then it isn't considered stable hardware. If your Linux is brand new and only supported by unstable GNU then it isn't considered a stable kernel. If your server had more than one client, then you sould have been foolish to do all the hard of of upgrading, patching, etc etc yourself to the latest unstable Stable Linux. Much better to track a distribution's less volatile path towards your desired featureset even if it isn't "up to date." Most distributions of GNU have proven over time their priorities regarding stability versus featuritis. Choose one that reflects your comfort level.
The point of Debian is that you don't have to do the hard work of upgrading and patching yourself. When pointing at an appropriate APT repository, you type "apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade". While Debian Potato isn't considered Stable (offically sanctioned by the Debian Project) with Linux 2.4, that doesn't mean that it isn't stable. As for the hard work of DIY, Google for "Debian Potato 2.4" and feel the pain of typing "apt-get dist-upgrade".