Where did you get the base-12 idea from? Indo-European languages also have decimal-based number systems (although the French twist it a bit with quatre-vingt-dix and suchlike). There are traditional numeral shorthands based on 2/pair, 12/dozen and 20/score, and time units hark back to the Babylonians, but they are normally expressed in decimal.
Fair enough, I was extrapolating too far here (and yes, from French, as well). It's just that 11 and 12 are given specific words in most European languages but Finnish doesn't.
Personally, I think Finnish is a 1.0 release, and is in dire need of several patches. Something definitely needs to be done about the partitive case, for instance. I have some grasp on most of the other cases (essive, inessive, adessive, illative, etc.), and the lack of definite and indefinite articles does not trouble me (studying Latin inured me to this particular quirk), but the partitive case regularly trips me up.
I think the Finnish language codebase needs a total rewrite. I'm a native speaker so I don't have to think about it, but just reading some rudimentary grammar can cause internal bleeding for me. And I couldn't explain "why", really.
Funnily enough, the partitive can be used to define indefinite qualities/quantities a bit like the indefinite article. In some cases, of course.
And while we're on the subject of numbers, how come yksitoista means eleven, but puolitoista means one and a half? I propose that in Finnish v1.1, puolitoista would mean ten and a half...
It sort of makes sense... "toista" means "of the second" (kind of) so "yksitoista" would mean "1st of the 20th" (second "decade"), so puolitoista (extremely bad translation follows) "1st half of the second [number]". For instance, in English the expression "first decade of the 21th century" follows this logic (I think).
I'm counting 15, although a sentence fragment like this is not probably the best way to measure efficiency... it's probably said in the same time as the English one.
...apart from the fact that that's slightly wrong. It's two words and not strictly a numeral anymore.
"Kahdennessakymmenessätoisessa kerroksessa" would be the right expression. And that includes specifying the location, so it doesn't work out much more difficult or long than a similar expression in English.
The Finnish numeral system is decimal-based instead of the 12-based ones in most european languages.
Whether that makes it easier to learn or less space-y, I don't know.
To the ones complaining that "PC" is not "a machine running Windows", please note that no Linux (or *BSD, or Solaris x86 or, or...) using geek/nerd/unsanitary person is ever going to call a Intel-based computer running the said operating system a "PC". It's a "Linux box". The cooler ones use the plural "Boxen"
You know it's true, now focus on bashing either Apple or Microsoft, or maybe Dell or some big PC manufacturer, I don't know.
A method in which I look in the fridge on a regular basis and realize it is empty. I then get in the car and drive to the beer store to replenish my supply of beer.
Man... If I'd ever done that I couldn't count the number of DUI's I would've ended up with...
The Dead Collector: Bring out yer dead. [a man puts a body on the cart] Man: Here's one. The Dead Collector: That'll be ninepence. OpenBSD: I'm not dead. The Dead Collector: What? Man: Nothing. There's your ninepence. OpenBSD: I'm not dead. The Dead Collector: 'Ere, he says he's not dead. Man: Yes he is. OpenBSD: I'm not. The Dead Collector: He isn't. Man: Well, he will be soon, he's very ill.
Just joking, here's to hoping OpenBSD gets better (financing) soon. (and you can change "Linux Zealot" to "Man" if you're so inclined...)
Just a quick and highly biased an opinionated, well, ummh, opinion on the subject at hand. I might be talking out of my arse but this is how I see it, and how it applies to DJing as I practice it. Technical matters are all dependent on what kind of music you play, and I'll let other people duke it out when it comes to their favourite software/controller/turntable/stylus/cd-deck/etc/e tc/etc...
A DJ is someone who plays music for people, this means only two things:
-Access to a suitable music collection.
-Knowledge of the crowd or listeners you're playing to.
Nothing else.
Now... depending on the style of music you're playing to people this might mean picking up some technical skills, but these are not really mandatory, if you can read the crowd and play just the right tune you'll be alright.
Skills you might need:
-Beatmatching
-Harmonic matching
-Needle dropping
-Scratching
-Doing voice overs (for instance, in radio work)
-Putting on a show, in the visual sense, might mean video screens or maybe costumes, maybe even (shudder) dancing
Listen to some mixtapes, radio shows etc. of suitable variety to see what you're aiming to. Talk to people: DJ's, listeners, music geeks, partygoers, the list goes on. Once you're aware of what you're trying to do, just practice. As much as you need to. Also, if you're a DJ of the bedroom variety,and have no other feedback: record your sessions/sets, and listen after some time to hear all the mistakes you've made. It's painful but there's no way around it. Maybe play them to people who might give some insightful comments.
Again, in my opinion, what you're aiming for is entertainment, something that is seamless and builds up to a cohesive whole. Something that keeps people dancing, listening, tapping their toes and nodding their heads. Tell a story, you can line up your records by tempo, theme, artist, melody, intensity etc. To do this you need to know your music well. Listen.
Don't let your ego rule your thing, people aren't going to be there to watch you (unless you dress up in drag and do spastic dancing for show), they're there to dance or listen to music, make it worth their while. Audience comes first.
Hmmh, but then again... maybe i've got it all wrong. Plus I'm slightly drunk. Take this with a grain or two of salt.
Now, I might be wrong, but chances are that what you got instead of Ogg Theora compressed files were
Ogg Media Files (.ogm).
OGM is a container format for audio/video that supports multiple subtitles (just like you mentioned) and multiple audio tracks. From what I personally know, the video is usually compressed with XviD and the audio with Ogg Vorbis.
(see also Matroska which does the above, and more)
Now, this is just my view (which, surprisingly, might not have any basis on reality...), but i've observed that DC tends to be more "regional" and "communal" for a couple of reasons...
DC hubs don't scale well (at least the software that i know of), 1000-1500 users per hub seems to be the maximum, therefore hubs tend to be more private, usually, and anyone can start a hub. Plus most of the hubs i frequent have some restrictions on user population (for example, amount and types of files shared)
There's a couple of DC hubs in my local area that allow only local people to connect and people look for stuff there first, and then resort to other methods (bittorrent, ftp, kazaa etc.). The ISP knows of the existence of these hubs, but seems to look away, since it keeps the traffic to the outside world down. The pattern seems to pop up on many campus LANs as well. And yes, there's legal stuff in there as well (*gasp!*), a quick search shows the ISOs for all the major linux distros.
Maybe that's why... anyone can get to kazaa or use bittorrent, but dc hubs seem to be more restricted
There's lots of (quality) music released today that's released
only on vinyl. DIY punk/noise, techno, electro and house, to name a few.
Personally (as a wannabe-DJ) I buy vinyl instead of CD (as a form of protest?), and preferably from small labels. And I've got a collection really old 7" artifacts and oddities. It's a big plus to get the tracks in mp3 (or ogg), for archival and sharing purposes (which I almost consider the same). After all, one day, you might not find a working turntable anymore...
Yes, I believe it's okay to share stuff that's limited to 500 pressings, sold out and almost impossible to find. There are actually labels that release their music on vinyl and free mp3 download.
The point of this post? Not really any, just wanted to let you know what this software might be used for.
Is it? I mean, probably a lot of us do online banking. That's not just browsing anymore, is it?
Posting to slashdot is not 'just browsing' as well.
The point is, the browser is an UI for a lot of things these days. Web banks, forums, groupware or whathaveyou use the browser. Why is improvements etc. a bad thing for these?
And (unfortunately or fortunately, depending on your point of view) these web applications will get bigger and have a lot more functionality. Maybe this is not a good thing, but anyway the browser is a key point in these things.
I don't think this is just egomania on the browser peoples side, but the web browser, as simple as it seems to be, is an important app these days. Why people shell out to buy Opera, if it's 'just browsing'?
Has this 'e'-business thing become a goddamn competition?
I mean, it's a competition all right, but shouldn't they compete with best prices, best service or best selection? (etc)
Or, what else are Amazon going to do with these,
keep them on the walls for posterity? I can't imagine any other reason for these than to shut down (or lessen) competing sites.
Please, people, if you don't know what s/he's asking, keep your trap shut, m'kay? We're talking audio here, so signal-to-noise ratio counts, you see...
But, do you want to go the hardware or software recording route?
If you have a decent enough computer (G3 macs or PII upwards x86s will do the trick for about 16 tracks), you might consider getting a good soundcard.
I personally use a
M-Audio Delta44, 4 inputs, 4 outputs, nothing more. Perfect for recording. They have nice break-out boxes, so you don't have to crouch behind your computer when plugging in your guitars, basses or mics, they work under Macs, PC's and have linux support via
ALSA
(yes, linux can do multitracking as well).
When you need more tracks, you can just add more cards and get 8/8 or up to 16/16 in/out-system.
As for recording software, well... my delta came with a cut-down version of Logic Audio, which should be good enough for start. Most 'pro-sumer' soundcards come up with basic software, so you shouldn't need to cough up any more money for it in the beginning.
Other software: Cubase is nice, and there's nice 'lite'-versions for beginners (some soundcards come with this instead of logic).
Cakewalk is quite popular as well.
If you just want audio recording (the aforementioned do MIDI as well), then there's Cool Edit Pro. For free, there's Audacity
(audacity does Windows, Linux and Mac) which is proficient enough multitrack audio editor. SLab is a good linux multitrack recorder.
And mp3, well, you don't want to use mp3 for multitrack recording, but most modern software can import mp3-sounds, and output the result to mp3 (some of them [cool edit/audacity] can do ogg as well)
If you want a proper hardware recorder (which are nice, since you can take them to your rehersal space, summer cottage,..., what have you), then there's plenty to choose from. Most of these are a couple of years old, so you can find them for reasonable prices used (or even new!)
Roland VS-8xx series, they're nice, compact, can do 4-track recording, and 8-track playback. Loads of features, and useful later on even if you grow out of this one. Earlier models had inbuilt harddrives, the later ones have ZIP-drives (if I remember correctly). If you can get one for cheap (and i think you should), then go for this one.
Korg D-8. A bit easier to operate, but quite useful nevertheless.
And i think Fostex had some as well, just keep your eyes open in the pawnshops.
(straight from the FAQ... i found this, for some reason, quite amusing.)
What are the recommended specs for enjoying Live Phish Downloads?
Windows
Windows 98SE, 2000, ME, XP, or later
128 MB RAM
10 GB Hard Drive (a larger hard drive is optimal)
Pentium III 750MHz or faster (or equivalent)
Cable Modem or DSL
Internet Explorer 5.5 or later
Mac OS
Mac OS 9.1 or later
128 MB RAM
10GB Hard Drive (a larger hard drive is optimal)
Cable Modem or DSL
Internet Explorer 5 or later
No, i'm not from the US. The mr.kirk thing comes from the early UK rave etc. scene (think along the lines of altern-8;) thing i listened to when i was younger. Still, a great track (your son is dead. dead, how?).
Need to check out ceephax, only thing i have from
him is a remix of squarepusher's 'schism track', and
it sounds... well, like something;)
What's the name of the label? That sounds interesting, so probably it's goodbye to my next paycheck...
Hmm, i was thinking more like old school as in 4Hero (Mr Kirks nightmare etc.), but maybe that doesn't count in as jungle yet. But i definitely agree with your list.
Cutting edge D&B right now? I would say the recent Dom & Roland stuff is fantastic, Kemal, the DSCI-4 crew, Bad Company, Ed Rush & Optical, etc. etc.
I haven't been following 'cutting edge'-stuff for a while, obviously, since i still get kicks from Krust's 'Coded language', but i will check your list, thanks a lot!
and squarepusher... well, maybe that's just me, but i like to think his stuff as drum'n'bass, go figure...
Next time you jump in, get a clue what you're talking about first, 'cos you never know who you might be replying to;)
ummh, and what exactly does this have to do with craig david and 2-step and whatnot???
you really haven't really heard oldschool jungle music, now have you?-),or meat beat manifesto (older breakbeat), or squarepusher (newer drum'n'bass), or... well, you get the point.
sorry to step on your musical toes, but, sometimes you gotta;)
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Hey, my wife is also Finnish!
I feel your pain.
Where did you get the base-12 idea from? Indo-European languages also have decimal-based number systems (although the French twist it a bit with quatre-vingt-dix and suchlike). There are traditional numeral shorthands based on 2/pair, 12/dozen and 20/score, and time units hark back to the Babylonians, but they are normally expressed in decimal.
Fair enough, I was extrapolating too far here (and yes, from French, as well). It's just that 11 and 12 are given specific words in most European languages but Finnish doesn't.
Personally, I think Finnish is a 1.0 release, and is in dire need of several patches. Something definitely needs to be done about the partitive case, for instance. I have some grasp on most of the other cases (essive, inessive, adessive, illative, etc.), and the lack of definite and indefinite articles does not trouble me (studying Latin inured me to this particular quirk), but the partitive case regularly trips me up.
I think the Finnish language codebase needs a total rewrite. I'm a native speaker so I don't have to think about it, but just reading some rudimentary grammar can cause internal bleeding for me. And I couldn't explain "why", really. Funnily enough, the partitive can be used to define indefinite qualities/quantities a bit like the indefinite article. In some cases, of course.
And while we're on the subject of numbers, how come yksitoista means eleven, but puolitoista means one and a half? I propose that in Finnish v1.1, puolitoista would mean ten and a half...
It sort of makes sense... "toista" means "of the second" (kind of) so "yksitoista" would mean "1st of the 20th" (second "decade"), so puolitoista (extremely bad translation follows) "1st half of the second [number]". For instance, in English the expression "first decade of the 21th century" follows this logic (I think).
I'm counting 15, although a sentence fragment like this is not probably the best way to measure efficiency... it's probably said in the same time as the English one.
We need to be able to moderate to (Score:6, Funny) for comments like these...
Well, at least it was meant to be funny, but there's no telling these days...
Because someone is running a pirated version of OS X on a "beige" PC?
I love to sing when I'm drunk.
Careful there, if you do that RIAA might actually get back to you...
People, people!
To the ones complaining that "PC" is not "a machine running Windows", please note that no Linux (or *BSD, or Solaris x86 or, or...) using geek/nerd/unsanitary person is ever going to call a Intel-based computer running the said operating system a "PC". It's a "Linux box". The cooler ones use the plural "Boxen"
You know it's true, now focus on bashing either Apple or Microsoft, or maybe Dell or some big PC manufacturer, I don't know.
(It's [trying to be] funny, laugh)
A method in which I look in the fridge on a regular basis and realize it is empty. I then get in the car and drive to the beer store to replenish my supply of beer.
Man... If I'd ever done that I couldn't count the number of DUI's I would've ended up with...
Yes, exactly that.
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Needle_drop for more.
The Dead Collector: Bring out yer dead.
[a man puts a body on the cart]
Man: Here's one.
The Dead Collector: That'll be ninepence.
OpenBSD: I'm not dead.
The Dead Collector: What?
Man: Nothing. There's your ninepence.
OpenBSD: I'm not dead.
The Dead Collector: 'Ere, he says he's not dead.
Man: Yes he is.
OpenBSD: I'm not.
The Dead Collector: He isn't.
Man: Well, he will be soon, he's very ill.
Just joking, here's to hoping OpenBSD gets better (financing) soon. (and you can change "Linux Zealot" to "Man" if you're so inclined...)
A DJ is someone who plays music for people, this means only two things:
-Access to a suitable music collection.
-Knowledge of the crowd or listeners you're playing to.
Nothing else.
Now... depending on the style of music you're playing to people this might mean picking up some technical skills, but these are not really mandatory, if you can read the crowd and play just the right tune you'll be alright.
Skills you might need:
-Beatmatching
-Harmonic matching
-Needle dropping
-Scratching
-Doing voice overs (for instance, in radio work)
-Putting on a show, in the visual sense, might mean video screens or maybe costumes, maybe even (shudder) dancing
Listen to some mixtapes, radio shows etc. of suitable variety to see what you're aiming to. Talk to people: DJ's, listeners, music geeks, partygoers, the list goes on. Once you're aware of what you're trying to do, just practice. As much as you need to. Also, if you're a DJ of the bedroom variety,and have no other feedback: record your sessions/sets, and listen after some time to hear all the mistakes you've made. It's painful but there's no way around it. Maybe play them to people who might give some insightful comments.
Again, in my opinion, what you're aiming for is entertainment, something that is seamless and builds up to a cohesive whole. Something that keeps people dancing, listening, tapping their toes and nodding their heads. Tell a story, you can line up your records by tempo, theme, artist, melody, intensity etc. To do this you need to know your music well. Listen.
Don't let your ego rule your thing, people aren't going to be there to watch you (unless you dress up in drag and do spastic dancing for show), they're there to dance or listen to music, make it worth their while. Audience comes first.
Hmmh, but then again... maybe i've got it all wrong. Plus I'm slightly drunk. Take this with a grain or two of salt.
Now, I might be wrong, but chances are that what you got instead of Ogg Theora compressed files were Ogg Media Files (.ogm).
OGM is a container format for audio/video that supports multiple subtitles (just like you mentioned) and multiple audio tracks. From what I personally know, the video is usually compressed with XviD and the audio with Ogg Vorbis.
(see also Matroska which does the above, and more)
Now, this is just my view (which, surprisingly, might not have any basis on reality...), but i've observed that DC tends to be more "regional" and "communal" for a couple of reasons...
DC hubs don't scale well (at least the software that i know of), 1000-1500 users per hub seems to be the maximum, therefore hubs tend to be more private, usually, and anyone can start a hub. Plus most of the hubs i frequent have some restrictions on user population (for example, amount and types of files shared)
There's a couple of DC hubs in my local area that allow only local people to connect and people look for stuff there first, and then resort to other methods (bittorrent, ftp, kazaa etc.). The ISP knows of the existence of these hubs, but seems to look away, since it keeps the traffic to the outside world down. The pattern seems to pop up on many campus LANs as well. And yes, there's legal stuff in there as well (*gasp!*), a quick search shows the ISOs for all the major linux distros.
Maybe that's why... anyone can get to kazaa or use bittorrent, but dc hubs seem to be more restricted
Well mine said a while ago:
Are you sure that Linux is really safe? I'm scared.
The Manual - how to have a number one - the easy way.
Written by the Timelords (the KLF)
(i know, this is a bit offtopic, but hey!, why not?)
There's lots of (quality) music released today that's released only on vinyl. DIY punk/noise, techno, electro and house, to name a few.
Personally (as a wannabe-DJ) I buy vinyl instead of CD (as a form of protest?), and preferably from small labels. And I've got a collection really old 7" artifacts and oddities. It's a big plus to get the tracks in mp3 (or ogg), for archival and sharing purposes (which I almost consider the same). After all, one day, you might not find a working turntable anymore...
Yes, I believe it's okay to share stuff that's limited to 500 pressings, sold out and almost impossible to find. There are actually labels that release their music on vinyl and free mp3 download.
The point of this post? Not really any, just wanted to let you know what this software might be used for.
The killer app for the web browser is browsing.
Is it? I mean, probably a lot of us do online banking. That's not just browsing anymore, is it? Posting to slashdot is not 'just browsing' as well.
The point is, the browser is an UI for a lot of things these days. Web banks, forums, groupware or whathaveyou use the browser. Why is improvements etc. a bad thing for these?
And (unfortunately or fortunately, depending on your point of view) these web applications will get bigger and have a lot more functionality. Maybe this is not a good thing, but anyway the browser is a key point in these things.
I don't think this is just egomania on the browser peoples side, but the web browser, as simple as it seems to be, is an important app these days. Why people shell out to buy Opera, if it's 'just browsing'?
Scores another patent?
Has this 'e'-business thing become a goddamn competition?
I mean, it's a competition all right, but shouldn't they compete with best prices, best service or best selection? (etc)
Or, what else are Amazon going to do with these, keep them on the walls for posterity? I can't imagine any other reason for these than to shut down (or lessen) competing sites.
Can you?
Please, people, if you don't know what s/he's asking, keep your trap shut, m'kay? We're talking audio here, so signal-to-noise ratio counts, you see...
But, do you want to go the hardware or software recording route?
If you have a decent enough computer (G3 macs or PII upwards x86s will do the trick for about 16 tracks), you might consider getting a good soundcard.
I personally use a M-Audio Delta44, 4 inputs, 4 outputs, nothing more. Perfect for recording. They have nice break-out boxes, so you don't have to crouch behind your computer when plugging in your guitars, basses or mics, they work under Macs, PC's and have linux support via ALSA (yes, linux can do multitracking as well). When you need more tracks, you can just add more cards and get 8/8 or up to 16/16 in/out-system.
As for recording software, well... my delta came with a cut-down version of Logic Audio, which should be good enough for start. Most 'pro-sumer' soundcards come up with basic software, so you shouldn't need to cough up any more money for it in the beginning.
Other software: Cubase is nice, and there's nice 'lite'-versions for beginners (some soundcards come with this instead of logic). Cakewalk is quite popular as well.
If you just want audio recording (the aforementioned do MIDI as well), then there's Cool Edit Pro. For free, there's Audacity (audacity does Windows, Linux and Mac) which is proficient enough multitrack audio editor. SLab is a good linux multitrack recorder.
And mp3, well, you don't want to use mp3 for multitrack recording, but most modern software can import mp3-sounds, and output the result to mp3 (some of them [cool edit/audacity] can do ogg as well)
If you want a proper hardware recorder (which are nice, since you can take them to your rehersal space, summer cottage, ..., what have you), then there's plenty to choose from. Most of these are a couple of years old, so you can find them for reasonable prices used (or even new!)
Roland VS-8xx series, they're nice, compact, can do 4-track recording, and 8-track playback. Loads of features, and useful later on even if you grow out of this one. Earlier models had inbuilt harddrives, the later ones have ZIP-drives (if I remember correctly). If you can get one for cheap (and i think you should), then go for this one.
Korg D-8. A bit easier to operate, but quite useful nevertheless.
And i think Fostex had some as well, just keep your eyes open in the pawnshops.
I don't know the price, but if you think along the lines of sport cars prices, the answer is:
"If you have to ask, you can't afford it."
(yeah, i know it's a poor joke...)
What are the recommended specs for enjoying Live Phish Downloads?
Windows
Windows 98SE, 2000, ME, XP, or later 128 MB RAM 10 GB Hard Drive (a larger hard drive is optimal) Pentium III 750MHz or faster (or equivalent) Cable Modem or DSL Internet Explorer 5.5 or later
Mac OS
Mac OS 9.1 or later 128 MB RAM 10GB Hard Drive (a larger hard drive is optimal) Cable Modem or DSL Internet Explorer 5 or later
Unix
You probably don't need our advice.
No, i'm not from the US. The mr.kirk thing comes from the early UK rave etc. scene (think along the lines of altern-8 ;) thing i listened to when i was younger. Still, a great track (your son is dead. dead, how?).
Need to check out ceephax, only thing i have from him is a remix of squarepusher's 'schism track', and it sounds... well, like something ;)
What's the name of the label? That sounds interesting, so probably it's goodbye to my next paycheck...
Hmm, i was thinking more like old school as in 4Hero (Mr Kirks nightmare etc.), but maybe that doesn't count in as jungle yet. But i definitely agree with your list.
Cutting edge D&B right now? I would say the recent Dom & Roland stuff is fantastic, Kemal, the DSCI-4 crew, Bad Company, Ed Rush & Optical, etc. etc.
I haven't been following 'cutting edge'-stuff for a while, obviously, since i still get kicks from Krust's 'Coded language', but i will check your list, thanks a lot!
and squarepusher... well, maybe that's just me, but i like to think his stuff as drum'n'bass, go figure...
Next time you jump in, get a clue what you're talking about first, 'cos you never know who you might be replying to ;)
So true, so true :)
ummh, and what exactly does this have to do with craig david and 2-step and whatnot???
you really haven't really heard oldschool jungle music, now have you?-) ,or meat beat manifesto (older breakbeat), or squarepusher (newer drum'n'bass), or... well, you get the point.
sorry to step on your musical toes, but, sometimes you gotta ;)