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Slashback: Apache, DRM, Limbo

Slashback tonight has an important correction about the role of the Apache Foundation (none) vis a vis yesterday's ".NET for Apache" post. Also, another view of the recent DRM (stacked) roundtable in Washington, a review of Red Hat's new beta, and more. Anyone who has successfully downloaded the new Mandrake beta want to comment on that?

Those guys did not ride in with us. Sascha Schumann of the Apache Software Foundation wrote to correct the story presented in Monday's post (".Net for Apache"), writing "this is _not_ a joint Apache Software Foundation/Microsoft stunt. It has not been approved or endorsed by the Apache Software Foundation, nor does it require any of those acts -- it is a deal between two private companies, Covalent and Microsoft."

Fly on wall video, anyone? kikensei writes: "DSL Reports has a story summarizing last week's DRM round table that was stacked with corporate panel members. You can read it here. It presents a much more apt framework for discussion than the overly sensitive, passive account from Al3x that defined our discussion last week."

Dancing in limbo, limbo, limbo. Earlier this month, we mentioned Red Hat's new beta, called Limbo. wiredog writes "From eWeek, a review of RedHat 8.0 beta. With gcc 3.1,the latest versions of GNOME, Mozilla and OpenOffice, and Apache 2.0"

The force is strong in these metallic boxes. Verizon Guy writes "CNet is reporting that Industrial Light and Magic, the group responsible for rendering the special effects in the Star Wars films, is moving away from their proprietary SGI/IRIX/RISC based systems and is instead moving to Dells running Linux. This will give them 100% performance at 20% of the cost."

Here's a link to our post with the recent Linux Journal article on same; look for more on this soon.

Wear name tags, please. mpawlo writes "Slashdot meetup day is only a week away. Some 4 500 people have already signed up to meet all over the world on Thursday July 25, 2002, 7 pm. We need more fellow Swedes to meet in Stockholm and I guess the same goes for other cities."

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  1. The lone meeters by cheezycrust · · Score: 4, Funny

    According to the top meetup list, more than 200 meetings are with 5 or less people. I wonder how many of them will actually take place. The 70 meetups with only one member will be really cool... at least there's no risk the other guests are boring.

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    1. Re:The lone meeters by CoolVibe · · Score: 4, Funny
      The 70 meetups with only one member will be really cool... at least there's no risk the other guests are boring.

      Nobody will disagree with you either.

    2. Re:The lone meeters by ScumBiker · · Score: 2

      Worse yet, The EAA fly-in is in Oshkosh this week and I planned on going Thursday. Looks like rain up here in da nort woods, so I think I'll make the Madison meetup after all.

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    3. Re:The lone meeters by DaveHowe · · Score: 2

      does the first one there get to wear a t-shirt saying "1st p0st" and with a grayscale photo of ms portman?

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  2. I feel sorry for them... by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 3, Funny

    Some 4 500 people have already signed up to meet...

    4,500 people! I feel sorry for the three girls that are gonna show up. Behave yourselfz, gentlemen! Keep your 1337n335 where it belongs!

  3. why require email address by Hollins · · Score: 4, Funny

    In order to learn the secret location of a geek get together in your area, you must submit your email address.

    The site promises that I won't be spammed, but I have found repeatedly that many companies don't share my definition of spam. More often than not, when a company promises not to use my email address for spam, what they mean is that they won't sell my address (for now). However, they don't consider sending me a weekly newsletter consisting soley of product ads to be spam.

    1. Re:why require email address by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 4, Funny

      Really? Send me your e-mail and I'll make sure it all stops.

      ;)

    2. Re:why require email address by Hollins · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have about six such addresses. I create a new one each time the old on gets overwhelmed with spam. I'm sick of dealing with it, so I simply don't participate. I think others are, also. Hopefully folks will realize this to be the case stop trying to require registration.

      The real-world analogues to these types of promotions don't use similar tactics, because they know doing so is silly. When I'm offered a free sample at the grocery, I'm not asked for my phone number.

    3. Re:why require email address by zerocool^ · · Score: 2

      I have a friend who creates a sendmail alias on his box every time he puts an email address in a form just to see who spams him. He always opts out of everything.

      One time he called McAffee because he filled out a form on their site listing his email as user-mcaffee@domain.com and he started getting spam to that address. The claimed that they don't give out email addresses, and he informed him that they were the only people that had this email address, calling BS on them.

      But in the end, just delete the alias if it starts getting spammed.

      ~Will

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    4. Re:why require email address by Sloppy · · Score: 3, Informative

      The reason it asks for your email address is that it uses it. A few days ago it mailed people who had signed up, to let 'em know if there were enough people signed up, and to get people to RSVP, if the meeting was on.

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    5. Re:why require email address by digitalsushi · · Score: 2

      I used to just forward all my email into /dev/null. Then one day I decided to do a mail backup, so I gzipped it, and my computer disappeared!

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  4. Re:What is Sladhback? by brunes69 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yeah I suppose a newbie might not understand it first off. Slashback revisits stories posten recently with some interesting (and sometimes vital) additional info or clarifications. They usually do around one or two slashbacks a week. These are the articles where replys to the editorial team like "Thats not true!!" or "You should have also had a link to this..." go.

  5. Re:What is Slashback? by cheezycrust · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's a sort of errata. Corrections and updates to articles posted earlier in Slashdot are published here.

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  6. Commenting on Mandrake by great+throwdini · · Score: 3, Funny

    Anyone who has successfully downloaded the new Mandrake beta want to comment on that?

    What? We're no longer permitted to respond in-band? Or can the Mandrake Beta now claim to be /.'s quickest Slashback topic? In other words: huh?

  7. Can't miss this! by Otter · · Score: 2
    Hmmm, I have Red Sox tickets for tomorrow night but how can I possibly pass up the chance to socialize with the WIPO Troll?

    And it's only the Devil Rays...

  8. Wear name tags? by CoolVibe · · Score: 2

    Only if they provide tags I will. If they have these corny "Hello, I am " stickers/tags, I will blatantly refuse...

    1. Re:Wear name tags? by PDHoss · · Score: 5, Funny
      Only if they provide tags I will. If they have these corny "Hello, I am " stickers/tags, I will blatantly refuse...

      If you don't choose to wear a name tag, then some one will force you to wear a sticker that reads "Anonymous Coward."

      PDHoss

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    2. Re:Wear name tags? by Enry · · Score: 2

      Then most of the others will not listen to you.

  9. Where it belongs? by CoolVibe · · Score: 2

    I have no clue what you are talking about... ;)

  10. Manhattan ( <= 42nd) meetup @ Bowlmor Lanes by realgone · · Score: 4, Funny
    It's usually a good hour's wait to get a lane for even four people at Bowlmor. I can only imagine what will happen when 51 happy geeks (myself included) show up en masse this Thursday evening.

    I pretty much figure we'll see the first ever recorded Slashdotting of a bowling alley!

  11. From the studios shift to intel story... by Polo · · Score: 2


    > Digital Revelations is largely relying on
    > Intel-based computers for the effects on "Rendezvous
    > with Rama," a thriller coming out next year in
    > which a group of humans seek revenge on aliens
    > that blow up Italy.


    Possibly offtopic, but I don't remember Arthur Clarke's story having any mention of destroying Italy...

    1. Re:From the studios shift to intel story... by Galvatron · · Score: 2

      Well, if memory serves, a meteor destroyed (or at least severely damaged) Italy, which is why there was a group with the ability to link up with Rama when it is detected. So, I could see how a combination of alterations to the plot for the movie, and a reporter garbling the summary could result in the above, even if the movie is reasonably faithful.

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  12. Did they waited to see how others did ? by philipx · · Score: 5, Interesting
    ILM switching is another sign of the popularity Linux gains in the graphics market too. But what I found interesting was the way the changed happened.

    I have a friend who has a friend who etc. works for ILM. They had planned this thing for a loooong time and they had assigned three (small) teams to this swithover project.
    One of the teams was to investigate the actual power of Linux in this domain and the offer of the marked. Techies .
    Second team was to look over the market see about savings, opportunities, investors, stuff like that. Financial $tuff
    The existence of the third team will probably never be acknowledged, but their task was to look into what their competitors who switched to Linux (see preview slashdot's announces of switchovers) were doing, how were they doing it, what impact on their revenues had, etc. I'd say spies. They've done a pretty good job.

    Of course, this is highly fictional and has no relation to any living person or existing company ;) .

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    1. Re:Did they waited to see how others did ? by geekoid · · Score: 4, Funny

      not that the spies had a hard job.

      Go to competitors company
      wait until some techies get out of there cars
      say "There is no way Linux is any good at "
      Listen to the 30 minute lecture on why its been good for the company.

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  13. Re:I've got a bad feeling about this by Glytch · · Score: 2

    If I remember correctly, Venice was wiped out by a very small asteroid strike, which led to Spacewatch starting, which led to the discovery of Rama.

    As usual, CNet gets some individual facts right, others a bit wrong, and totally fucks up the connections between them.

  14. Another Good Story Bites the Hollywood Dust by FreeUser · · Score: 2

    > Digital Revelations is largely relying on
    > Intel-based computers for the effects on "Rendezvous
    > with Rama," a thriller coming out next year in
    > which a group of humans seek revenge on aliens
    > that blow up Italy.

    Possibly offtopic, but I don't remember Arthur Clarke's story having any mention of destroying Italy...


    IFF that caption accurately represents the Hollywood interpretation of Arthur C. Clark's masterpiece the movie will not be worth seeing.

    In the book a meteor of natural origion caused tremendouse damage to the Earth when it skimmed by the atmosphere (I don't recall if Italy was affected per se, but it may have been), resulting is the construction of a space defense against any future incoming rocks. This defense detected an inert alien craft entering the solar system (years or decades after the defense system had been built), and a science mission was sent to explore it.

    The encounter is a little remeniscent of Stanislaw Lem's Fiasco. The scientists experience a great deal, see a lot, learn a little, but those who survive come away at the end mostly baffled and uncomprehending of what they saw.

    No "evil alien attacking" or other such nonsense ... just an encounter with an intelligence (or perhaps just an automated machine) we are apparently unequiped to understand. A fun and very thoughtful story, which the blurb you quote above seems to imply Hollywood is shameless bastardizing into something unrecognizable and repellant.

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  15. Peer-to-peer risk by eagl · · Score: 5, Funny

    The meet FAQ specifically states that nobody "runs" the meets. They are instead pure peer-to-peer gatherings.

    If someone were to bring a floppy disk or CD with an MP3 file on it, or even a sheet of music with lyrics, wouldn't that technically violate the DMCA resulting in the RIAA attempting to prosecute the whole meet structure? As an organized peer-to-peer structure, it MUST have no other purpose than to violate copyrights, right?

    I've got my good buddy Fritz on the line. Maybe he'll funnel some of that good sweet Disney or RIAA Christmas money my way. I'll wash his campaign limo so it's all legal as payment for a service of course... You peer-to-peer criminals have only one thing in mind, and you're the biggest threat to individual expression and creativity the universe has ever seen!

    *wakes up in cold sweat, hits "decline" RSVP link*

  16. Industrial Light and Magic: by Cheetah86 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Industrial Light and Magic, you're getting a dell!

  17. Please cease and desist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Please stop signing me up for mailing lists. I am tired of getting your spam.

    Sincerely,
    Joe Dickless
    Society for the Prohibition of Circumcision
    dicklessjoe@dick.org

  18. Not Again by krmt · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Possibly offtopic, but I don't remember Arthur Clarke's story having any mention of destroying Italy...
    Or, for that matter, any humans seeking revenge, or even live aliens present on the ship (unless you count plant and animal life).

    I'm getting that "they're going to rape and pillage it like Starship Troopers" feeling. What a waste.
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  19. Re:I'm not signing up for Meetup, and neither are by fader · · Score: 2

    You might not sign up for Meetup, but I just want to say that Scott Heiferman (Meetup's Co-Founder & CEO) is a swell guy.

    Hey, Scott! Good to know you hang out on /. :)

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  20. The Quiet Majority by s20451 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Check out the top cities for Slashdot Meetup Day. First on the list is Toronto. Vancouver (13) and Montreal (Tied-14) are in the top 20; taken together they outscore the combination of San Francisco and San Jose. Outside of Canada, London (England) is second on the list (the top American city is Washington, at third). The Aussies are putting in a strong showing with three in the top 20: Melbourne (6), Sydney (7), and Brisbane (11); Perth weighs in at 32nd. "Majority" is too strong a word to use, but ... are us non-Americans taking over Slashdot?

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    1. Re:The Quiet Majority by Monkeyman334 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Your statistics mean nothing. The ACs are arguing that Americans just aren't interested in the meetup, but that's so subjective that it's not worth arguing, and I don't even think it's true. Anyway, the reason your stats are useless is because they don't take per capita into accont. The population of Seattle is 500,000 people, 500,000/100meetup people, it's about 1 in 5000. The population of Toronto is about 2.5 million people. Does Toronto have 5 times as many people as Seattle on the meetup? Not even close. I in 17,000. So no, Candians aren't taking anything over, they're just bad at math.

    2. Re:The Quiet Majority by lpontiac · · Score: 3, Funny
      The Aussies are putting in a strong showing with three in the top 20: Melbourne (6), Sydney (7), and Brisbane (11); Perth weighs in at 32nd

      I think I can explain some of this. Perth is fairly boring :P

    3. Re:The Quiet Majority by dietz · · Score: 2

      Seattle only has about 560,000 people because a lot of people live in suburbs. But that's bullshit. In your friendly neighbor to the south, Portland, we have about 530,000 people in the city, even though the metro area is obviously much, much smaller.

      You are guilty of spreading useless statistics yourself.

      A more useful measure would be metro areas. Taken from citypopulations.de, Seattle has 3.7 million people and Toronto has 4.9 million people.

      That gives them roughly the same ratios (1 in 37,000 for Seattle, 1 in 34,000 for Toronto).

      What conclusions can we draw? None really, but if you wanted to you could probably agree that the Seattle area and the Toronto area have roughly similar percentages of socially awkward nerds.

    4. Re:The Quiet Majority by Thornae · · Score: 2
      Perth is fairly boring

      Apparently, compared to Adelaide, it's a positive hive of excitement and fun:

      337. Adelaide, Australia (2 members)
      .
      That would be a lot cooler if it were 1000 places down, though... (=

      (Note for the non-Aussies: Adelaide and Perth are State capitals with quite a lot of similarities, including population sizes. Adelaide, however, is renowned for being the most boring place in au.)

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  21. Re:Manhattan ( = 42nd) meetup @ Bowlmor Lanes by seek3r2k · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I think its rediculous how the manhattan location is getting all of NY's members, what about Queens?? Long island?? There are 5 or 6 people to those locations. LAME!

    Theres more to NY than the over populated and polluted island. :)

  22. Re:My current view on MDK 9.0 b1 by DodgyGeezer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Strewth: do they not have a net installer with just a basic small (e.g. 35MB) bootableISO download yet? Why waste your precious bandwidth on packages you're never going to use? Try Debian see why I don't ever want to download Mandrake again.

    I wish Mandrake come up with some way for me to upgrade painlessly over the 'net without having to download and burn GBs of ISO. If I can't get it done, the next time I try to upgrade my Mandrake 8.1 system, I'll replace it with Debian and never worry about it again.

  23. Re:What is Sladhback? by david+duncan+scott · · Score: 2

    You've been coming here for four years and didn't work it out? Are the new glasses helping?

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  24. My Slashdot Meeting Invitation by johnthorensen · · Score: 3, Funny
    You have been formally invited to a

    SLASHDOT GET TOGETHER

    Please bring the following items:
    1. Trollbot
    2. Know-it-all Attitude
    3. Socialist Mindset
    4. Secret piggy-bank where you keep that big karma horde
    5. "I love/hate Linus" Flag
    6. e-Book version of the Bible, preprocessed to replace "God" and "Lord" with "Richard Stallman" and "Eric Raymond", respectively.
    7. Outrageously Customized Computer Case (Laboratory Eyeshades optional)
    8. Anti-Editorial-Censorship SLASH backdoor
    9. Photoshopped picture of you and a beautiful woman (woman stolen, of course from OMM's coverage of QuakeCon)
    10. Editors: Your favorite foot (for insertion into your collective mouth)
    Come one come all!!!
  25. Seattle by Com2Kid · · Score: 2

    Oh come on we are supposed to be the second damn silicon valley or something like that.

    Ok so granted most of the high tech companies around here /. is not exactly friendly to. . . .

    Err, but crud. With Real Networks, McNeel Software, Wild Tangent, Immunex, and so forth all around here, why doesn't Seattle have a few hundred people minimum signed up? Not to mention Boeing, Starbucks, Seattle's Best Coffee, and other Nerd and Geek related enterprises.

    1. Re:Seattle by Fnord · · Score: 5, Funny

      We seattle slashdotters tend not to gather. It makes it easier for that mob on the eastside to hunt us.

    2. Re:Seattle by ninewands · · Score: 2

      The small signup may somehow be related to the number of machine gun nests on the highway into Seattle from Redmond ...

  26. LA pretty much hung together... by MsGeek · · Score: 2

    The problem didn't happen in the LA-Beverly Hills-Hollywood (damn, who concatenated that unholy hodge-podge!) area. 48 geeks will be dropping by Jillian's Bowling Alley in CityWalk for the meetup. Including moi.

    I would have actually preferred a little more localism. A San Fernando Valley meetup would have been way better for my purposes (Sherman Oaks, anyone?) and I'm sure Westsiders would have been much happier with a Venice or Santa Monica locale. Downtown would probably have been better for the NOC geeks centered around One Wilshire. However, it's cool that there will be such a throng.

    I will be bringing the digital camera. Photos will be up at msgeek.org as soon as I can swing it after the big event.

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  27. Re:Manhattan ( = 42nd) meetup @ Bowlmor Lanes by MsGeek · · Score: 2

    Jillian's is a bowling alley too. At CityWalk. In Universal City, CA. This is where the LA /.-ers will be meeting.

    Two /.-ings of a bowling alley! Damn!

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  28. Then C-Net casually mentions: by Brian+Stretch · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Along with replacing its workstations, ILM also has installed a 1,000-processor render farm based on Advanced Micro Devices' Athlon processors and a server cluster built with Compaq Alpha processors.

    So Intel chips get the headline but Athlon MP rackmounts do the serious computation. I bet if ILM had found a top-tier vendor with a decent Athlon business (vs. consumer) desktop configuration they'd have Athlon XP's on their desktops too. Or Athlon MP dual CPU workstations, which cost about the same as a high-end uniprocessor P4. Having fought with some thoroughly screwed up Dell Optiplexes recently, the support geeks at ILM have my sympathies.

    (Not that the whole business vs. consumer thing really matters, until you try to convince purchasing of that point...)

  29. Re:My current view on MDK 9.0 b1 by CableModemSniper · · Score: 2, Informative

    Um the last time I installed MDK 8.1 It took 1 floppy for the net install. Not one cd. Not multiple floppies. 1 floppy.

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  30. Re:Mandrake 9.0 beta review by geekd · · Score: 2

    XFree 3.3.6 had 3D support.

    While this is true, it is sub-optimal.

    What you really want to do is tell it to install XFree 4.x, then go to nvidia.com and download the latest drivers and install them.

    Your 3D acceleration will be much faster.

    Mandrake does not include these drivers because they are not Open Source.

    When Mandrake's installer tells you that only Xfree 3.x had 3D support for your Geforce, that's because those are the only 3D drivers *it* has. The official nvidia drivers are better, and XFree 4.x kicks ass over 3.x any day.

  31. Re:My current view on MDK 9.0 b1 by ElNotto · · Score: 2, Informative
    CableModemSniper is correct. Mandrake has a network install floppy image for 8.2 (and previous releases), located on your favorite mandrake mirror at /pub/mirrors/linux/Mandrake/VER#/i586/images/netwo rk.img (where VER# is the version number, ie. 8.2). I'm pretty sure it only takes one floppy to get the install going, but maybe it takes two. However, they have yet to release anything for 9.0 but the ISOs on their main download page.

    Perhaps the 9.0b1 net install image is accessible somewhere and not made widely known because they want beta testers to test the cdrom install program, which is one of the features that leads people to choose Mandrake over other distros.

  32. Re:please clarify by allanj · · Score: 2

    To ensure that things get really complicated, some of us crazy europeans use a comma to seperate real and fractional parts and a DOT to seperate groups of digits (thousands, millions etc.). So where I come from (Denmark), 4500 could be written as 4.500, which I'm sure would confuse the American audience far more than 4 500. It's going out of style though - most young people don't seperate groups of digits in ordinary numbers, probably because of the confusion it often causes. We're a small country with limited resources for localization, so a lot of stuff used in higher education is foreign (typically anglo-american), where the 4,500.0 style is rampant. So to deal with that, we take away the grouping seperators and use a comma or dot interchangably as a real/frational seperator.
    Confused? You should be - we are :-)

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  33. And almost certainly... by MosesJones · · Score: 2

    Then went over to Company X and offered the person who oversaw their Linux shift a large paypacket to switch.

    Its the cheapest way to steal IP, just steal the people.

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  34. Re:why require email address (your answer) by gosand · · Score: 2
    In order to learn the secret location of a geek get together in your area, you must submit your email address. The site promises that I won't be spammed, but I have found repeatedly that many companies don't share my definition of spam.

    Easy. Your email is cmdrtaco@slashdot.org, and your password is slashdot. I tried it, and I guess I am not the first one to try it, because it says "Welcome back cmdrtaco!"

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  35. Spies? Get real. by fm6 · · Score: 2
    There's been buzz that all of SGI's Hollywood customers have been dissatisfied with IRIX-based solutions for 3 or 4 years now. It wouldn't take James Bond to figure out that all the other studios are looking for alternatives. Nowadays, everybody who owns proprietary hardware is asking themselves if they can save money by switching to commodity solutions. Most of their "intelligence work" probably just consisted of reading the trade journals or attending conferences.

    But then, that's what intelligence is like. Most CIA employees spend their work days analysing documents that are either public or not very hard to get. The people who sneak into the Pottsyvlvania embassy to photograph the secret war plans contribute to the information stream, but most of the work goes into analysing the information, not gathering it. Of course, nobody will ever make a movie about a guy sitting in a cube in Langley, reading foreign newspapers!