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Adam Bresson Demonstrates Fair Use at DefCon

nigelc writes: "Adam Bresson showed how to make copies of copyright-protected videos in a speech at DefCon. To quote the article, 'I hope he's got a lawyer and that they talked to somebody'" From the article, it sounds like Bresson simply used a video conversion box to defeat MacroVision -- something my notorious criminal father has been doing for years.

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  1. I'm shocked by A+Cheese+Danish · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From the article:

    In his demonstration, Bresson used a device sold online for about $200 by United Kingdom-based Canopus. The box allows people to make copies of videocassettes and DVDs even if the video is locked with software to prevent such tampering.

    Now Canopus has offices in the US. I figure that Bresson would probably not be prosecuted, basically cause there's no money involved. However, since Canopus has a branch in the US, I wouldn't be surprised if they were sued.

    After all the best way to stop all of us "pirates" is to eliminate the tools we use.

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    1. Re:I'm shocked by NanoGator · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "After all the best way to stop all of us "pirates" is to eliminate the tools we use."

      I hope that was sarcastic, heh.

      In all seriousness, the way to stop 'unauthorized copying' (I refuse to call it piracy because there are fair reasons to do it) is to find it why people want/need to do it.

      "People are downloading movies off the web, maybe it's beacuse they don't want to pay $20 for a DVD. Maybe we should sell a $10 no-frills DVD."

      "People are ripping DVD's and saving them to their computer. Maybe they're doing that so that they can keep their DVD's safe. We should make it easy for somebody to get a replacement DVD if it gets damaged or lost."

      "People are swapping movies they've never seen before on-line. Maybe we should make it easier to 'preview' the movie to see if it's worth buying on DVD. How about cutting deals with HBO so they can get movies faster?"

      Imagine if they were to use logic like that...

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    2. Re:I'm shocked by RollingThunder · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Purchasing DVD's is not out of the question, but buying more than a few a year stresses my budget. I did buy Oceans 11 and Lock Stock...Since I wore out my HD watching them on divx.
      Problem 1: Students' incomes are quite low, and not continuous all year long.
      Problem 2: I need to buy books. Textbooks are expensive.
      Problem 3: 10 DVDs * $20 each = $200. 200 bucks is a large percentage (don't laugh) of my annual income.
      Meta-Problem: you have no intrinsic right to these products. It doesn't matter that you can't afford to buy them or can afford to buy them. If you can't, you don't get them. Simple as that - or it should be.

      You have a choice. Pay for the movies, or pay for the books - but don't pretend that being short on cash makes it OK to watch rips off the net. It's still wrong.
  2. Blah, which some knowhow you can get rid of it by SkipToMyLou · · Score: 5, Informative

    On some DVD players, you can disable Macrovision by means of uploading a new ROM into the player by burning it onto an ISO 9660 CD-R, or by hitting a secret key combination on the remote. It's mostly APEXes and Daewoos that let you do this; ironic that they are the cheapest yet most hackable DVD players. I have a cute little APEX I scored for $70 at Circuit City... that sucker plays DVDs, VCDs, SVCDs, CD-Rs, MP3s (!), and they kitchen sink. Most DVD players have a "Factory setting" menu that you can get to, but you need to know the secret code. Of course you'd never get goodies like this from the big boys (aka Sony, Toshiba, Panasonic).

  3. Why spend $200? by Quixote · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why spend $200 on a box to make a copy of a DVD, when my sub-$100 DVD player will do it for free? Plus, it has no region coding either. Go Apex!

  4. The tools we use... by daemones · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...and we should make sure that all of the copy machines in the MPIAA officies are removed. They're obviously there for copying books anyway; if they want to do that they should have to do it by hand!
    (and then we go after the pens)

    We really do need a nuclear war to put all this in perspective.

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  5. *** Breaking News *** by metacosm · · Score: 5, Funny

    Today, the father of Timothy of Slashdot fame was arrested when his son finally turned on him with a bold and public statement about his fathers criminal past and present.

    Supportors of the DMCA where quoted as saying "We are very happy a public supporter of the DMCA has finally come forward from the slashdot crew movement"

    :)

    1. Re:*** Breaking News *** by Dr.+Awktagon · · Score: 5, Funny
      ((((when his son finally turned on him with a bold and public statement about his fathers criminal past and present.))))

      Hey, shouldn't that be: .. a bold and italic statement .. ?

      yuk yuk yuk

  6. I hope he gets charged with infringement... by Temsi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...and gets tried and aquitted in open court.

    We very much need a test case with a judgment in favor of consumer rights.
    We need a legal case to which we can point, when we're arguing what our rights really are...

    Personally, I've used one of those anti-macrovision boxes (I got mine for $50) and it works great. I didn't create the technology, and I've only used it in the privacy of my own home, excercising my 'fair use' rights as a consumer, so I should probably be safe.

    The methodical corporate destruction of consumer rights must be stopped.

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  7. MacroVision Defeating Hardware...?!?! by philovivero · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was at Best Buy a few days ago and found a device into which you plug any two audio/visual devices, and which stated that it would "even out erratic signal levels, enabling the VCR to get a clean image again."

    It is a MacroVision-defeating hardware device, prepackaged, for $50 or so.

    I was actually a bit astounded that someone hadn't come and stomped on the balls of this company.

    For my money, though, it's VideoLan Client or nothing.

  8. History by Skyshadow · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This brings to mind an interesting question:

    Has there ever been an industry which has survived solely on the basis of legislation?

    The recording and software industries suddenly find themselves without the natural protections of severely limited bandwidth or formats which discourage copying. As such, their business models (which have only really existed for the last few decades) seem dangerously out of date, especially on the music side. Video games and movies are still somewhat protected by large size, but with the proliferation of available bandwidth this seems only like a matter-of-time issue (although non-console video games and other computer software have some other outlets, the effectiveness of those recourses is also open to question).

    So, it appears that their only tool to perpetuate their current business model will be legislation like the DMCA. Can anyone think of an industry where this survival-by-lawyers tactic has worked for more than a few years? Or are they destined to slide out of business as they know it?

    Of course, we live in a historically litagous time where the law and lawyers have more power than ever, so maybe part prescindent isn't relevant. It seems entirely possible to me that they could stave off any sort of mass-advancement just be completely crushing those who oppose them (am I going to risk any real threat of a massive fine just to copy a few CD tracks?).

    If the RIAA had owned the buggy industry in 1900, I think we'd all still be whipping our horses to get to work in the morning.

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    1. Re:History by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Funny
      Has there ever been an industry which has survived solely on the basis of legislation?
      Lawyers?
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  9. Re:Is this really fair use? (ie. Devils Advocate) by Temsi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since the copyright laws specify you're paying for the CONTENT not the MEDIUM it is stored on, it makes perfect sense to ensure the content you've paid for will remain in your posession even if the storage medium fails for some reason.

    You get another bag at the grocery store if the first bag rips on the way out, right? Or would you leave the groceries on the sidewalk? Of course not. You've already paid for them.
    Now imagine if the store told you you'd have to pay for the groceries again in order to get a new bag.
    Same thing as when a record store asks you to pay full price for a replacement cd.

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