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Lasers for Pain-free Dentistry

Chris writes "Australian researchers say that frequency-doubling a femtosecond laser is the way to pain-free dentistry. Using two different Ti:sapphire sources it was found that the 400 nm second harmonic gave the best results. Lasers have long been touted as pain-free replacements for the dreaded dentist's drill. However, the hardness of dental tissue has demanded high-energy pulses for drilling. Previous attempts have resulted in unacceptably slow removal of tooth enamel, and have also damaged teeth. These previous efforts caused shock waves, vibrations and also heated up the tooth's softer tissue, causing significant pain to the patient. Because femtosecond pulses are so short, heat conduction effects are virtually eliminated."

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  1. Ouch! by operagost · · Score: 5, Funny
    Previous attempts have resulted in unacceptably slow removal of tooth enamel, and have also damaged teeth. These previous efforts caused shock waves, vibrations and also heated up the tooth's softer tissue, causing significant pain to the patient.
    Remind me not to sign up as a guinea pig for any dentistry trials.
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    1. Re:Ouch! by VikingBerserker · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's exactly why I practice dentistry on myself.

      I've found the most effective solution is to coat my teeth with sodium hydroxide. I'll let it sit or a few minutes, then put on a coat of hydrochloric acid. I'm done in no time at all.

      The best part is that I then have a nice solution of salt water to gargle with. It's a little hot, but I think that actually helps with proper gum care as well.

  2. And this is bad how? by nizo · · Score: 2

    Previous attempts have resulted in unacceptably slow removal of tooth enamel, and have also damaged teeth.
    Silly me, I thought tooth enamel was what you wanted to keep, not remove.

    1. Re:And this is bad how? by sql*kitten · · Score: 2

      Silly me, I thought tooth enamel was what you wanted to keep, not remove.

      If it's damaged or decayed, you have to remove it and replace it with an artificial compound: it can't heal or repair itself. So the dentist will remove existing enamel until what's left is solid, even if it's only partially decayed, or cracked or chipped, to provide a foundation for the filling.

  3. Oo oo ee e o a? by sam_handelman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dentist: What?
    Patient: I 'ed, doo oo ekek e to tahk!
    Dentist: I can't understand you.
    Patient: Tak jis kra ow o ny nouh.
    Dentist: Oh, okay (removes stuff from patient's mouth.)
    Patient: I said, how do you expect me to talk with this crap in my mouth?
    Dentist: I don't, Mr. Bond. I expect you to die!

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    1. Re:Oo oo ee e o a? by Russ+Steffen · · Score: 2

      How about a more obscure movie reference... Marathon Man, the 1976 classic.

      Dr. Szell (Lawrence Olivier): So tell me, is it... safe?
      Babington (Dustin Hoffman): Is what safe?
      Szell: I'll ask the questions here. Is it safe?
      (Puts dentist laser drill in Babingtons mouth)
      (**ZORCH**)
      Babington: Ahhh! What do you want?
      Szell: I asked you a simple question. Is it safe?
      (**ZORCH**)
      Babington: (Screaming) I don't know what you're talking about!
      (**ZORCH**)
      Babington: (Frantic) It's safe! It's safe! Dear god it's safe!
      (**ZORCH**)

      I rented that movie ten years ago, and I still get flashbacks of that scene whenever I go to the dentist.

    2. Re:Oo oo ee e o a? by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      That does it! If I ever become a superhero or top spy, I am *never* going to the fricken dentist!

    3. Re:Oo oo ee e o a? by daeley · · Score: 2

      I made the mistake of mentioning that to my dentist who is normally a really nice guy. He got this evil look on his face and said, "Yes, I love that movie."

      Ack!

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  4. Yaiiii!!! by Winterblink · · Score: 2, Funny
    These previous efforts caused shock waves, vibrations and also heated up the tooth's softer tissue, causing significant pain to the patient

    I second the opinion of the fellow who posted a similar response below. I'd hate to be the guy they strap on the chair when they wheel in a volkswagen-sized prototype with steam pulsing out of vents, crazy piston-like thingamajigs, and electrical doohickeys shooting arcs. "We don't know if this will hurt, so let us know." *cue Ghostbusters backpack startup sound*

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  5. Re:Hmm.. pain, what pain? by pieterh · · Score: 2

    I agree: when was the last time dentistry actually *hurt*? I just hate the idea of someone cutting into me, and lasers / knives / drills / chainsaws all provoke the same reaction: AAAGH.
    It's far simpler to cut out the sugar from your diet and keep your teeth healthy like that. I stopped eating sugar about 20 years ago and have had one trip to the dentist since then.
    Do we really need more expensive hitech solution to stupidly simple problems?

  6. Cool by yeoua · · Score: 2

    Now all they have to do is make a portable version so the dentists can make housecalls.

    1. Re:Cool by oliverthered · · Score: 2

      Or the home version, I trust my sister!

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    2. Re:Cool by Arandir · · Score: 2

      It already is portable. I had it done to me last tuesday. The unit was about the size of a tower PC, on rollers, and plugged into a regular power outlet.

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  7. Ozone dentistry by !splut · · Score: 4, Informative

    So this is how Aussies do dentistry. While it's swell and all to be able to painlessly zap a hole in my tooth, it doesn't eliminate the fact that you'd be zapping a hole in my tooth.

    The Brits, on the other hand, have gone for a no-hole approach. They're using a new treatment called Healozone, which involves fitting a rubber cap over the tooth and then smothering it with ozone, which eliminates all the bacteria in a matter of seconds. Painless, and much more cool.

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  8. The problem isn't the drill... by Dalroth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem isn't the drill, or at least it never was for me. Sure, the drill is uncomfortable, afterall the dentist is generally pushing the thing around violently inside your tooth. That's annoying. It's the nerves that are the problem! First of all, there's the shot of novocaine (which is quite traumatic in and of itself). Then there's the drilling. Oops we hit the nerve (like the laser will never do the same thing?) and the novocaine wasn't as strong as we'd have liked. Time to do another shot of novocaine RIGHT DOWN THE CENTER OF YOUR NOW OPEN TOOTH (yes I did go through that). HOLY FUCK THAT HURT. I can't feel anything now.

    Drill or no drill, it's the nerve stupid!

    1. Re:The problem isn't the drill... by BluBrick · · Score: 2

      Yep, I had the very same thing... during a root canal filling. I know exactly what you are on about. First, he tried the standard local anaesthetics and then a nerve block. When it finally became patently obvious that neither approach had worked, he opted for the injection directly into the nerve.

      And then this...
      Dentist : I'm very sorry. I can tell that this is not just imagined pain, but I can't give you any more anaesthetic. You're going to have to bear with it.

      Me: (shuddering and convulsing as he drills) : AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! HUUCCHHH!! NNNGGGOO!!!

      Never again! Fuck that! From now on, if it needs filling, it gets pulled out. No correspondence will be entered into.

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    2. Re:The problem isn't the drill... by sql*kitten · · Score: 2

      What are nerves in your TEETH for anyway???

      Presumably to provide feedback on how hard you're biting down on something. If you couldn't feel anything with your teeth, you might crack one opening a beer bottle and never know. The nerves have to be sensitive because they need to work through the tooth, with is mostly bone. That's why they hurt so much when they're exposed. Unfortunately this also leads to sensitivity to hot and cold - I guess our evolutionary ancestors mostly ate food that was closer to their own body temperature.

    3. Re:The problem isn't the drill... by Zathrus · · Score: 3, Informative

      Just how long ago was this? If recently, I suggest you change dentists.

      They have a topical anesthetic now that it swabbed on to your gums prior to the novacaine shot. Takes a minute or two and then they can administer the shot to an area that's already numbed. Very nice. If your dentist isn't doing this yet, either tell them to or change dentists.

    4. Re:The problem isn't the drill... by PD · · Score: 2

      A better place to put the bite pressure sensor would be in the jaw muscle. Or better yet, just construct the teeth out of a material that has a load capacity in compression higher than the maximum force the jaw muscle can apply. Then you can do away with the bite pressure sensor entirely.

      At least, that's how I'd do it...

    5. Re:The problem isn't the drill... by sql*kitten · · Score: 2

      A better place to put the bite pressure sensor would be in the jaw muscle. Or better yet, just construct the teeth out of a material that has a load capacity in compression higher than the maximum force the jaw muscle can apply. Then you can do away with the bite pressure sensor entirely.

      The problem with that approach is that it can only sense load on the jaw as a whole, not on individual teeth. A pressure that could be easily withstood by multiple molars may cause a single molar to fail, so there needs to be an interface that can measure with greater granularity than the joint.

      Also, the strength of a tooth is fixed when it is constructed ("compile time"), but jaws can be strengthened though use and exercise ("run time"), and there may not be a good correlation between the theoretical/genetic maximim strength of a jaw muscle, and the extent to which that muscle is developed in an individual.

    6. Re:The problem isn't the drill... by AnalogBoy · · Score: 2

      I've had 17 Crowns and 11 root canals. I tend to regard myself as an expert on end-user dental experience. (Before you ask, it's a dental condition called maliogenesis imperfecta, not bad tooth care). All my baby teeth were crowned, too. :P

      I've experienced what you've experienced. My dentist, who's extremely good, worked on one of my top front teeth about 6 months ago. No matter how much novicaine he pumped in through the gums or into the bone (intraosteal or something) I could still feel pain. I went to the endo in a hurry - they couldnt get it numb either. I had to grin and bear it as they drilled through to the pulp chamber and anesthitized the root. Most rightous pain i've ever felt.

      And i've never felt the initial stick of the needle for more than a couple seconds.. its that nice pink crap flavored goo they swab on your mouth.. topical lidocaine, or something.

    7. Re:The problem isn't the drill... by Arandir · · Score: 2

      Much of the pain, at least for me with my extremely sensitive teeth, is the intense vibration of the drill. If the drill is touching a nerve, then you're getting a root canal. Otherwise it's not. It just feels like it.

      I went to the dentist two days ago and she used her brand new laser. It didn't hurt at all. It was slightly uncomfortable, as it felt like a microscopic woodpecker was tapping away at my tooth (that's what it sounded like too).

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    8. Re:The problem isn't the drill... by Zathrus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Dunno... I'd have to ask my friends and coworkers who have had dental work recently to find out. My insurance is through a dental HMO though, so it must be cheap... otherwise it wouldn't be covered (I'm often thankful that novacaine is covered...)

      The stuff my dentist uses is yellow-orange, rather thick, and put on a large cotton swab and put in your mouth. They go away for about 3 minutes, come back, and give a pain free injection.

  9. Re:Old News? by Hittite+Creosote · · Score: 2, Informative

    The idea of lasers in dentistry is old news, but "Discover" won't have had the details of this latest improvement (which is published in the 15th August 2002 edition of the Journal of Applied Physics (subscription required to read articles), so it is brand new news. Admittedly it isn't a huge advance, as subpicosecond lasers have been used before, but what they have done is work out exactly which wavelength, pulse duration and intensity is required to obtain fast ablation with no thermal collateral damage.

  10. Next week... by BluBrick · · Score: 4, Funny

    Honest politicians and the paperless office.

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  11. The Needle?! by Tranvisor · · Score: 4, Funny

    Perhaps you forgot, but when you got numbed up, do you remember the huge fucking needle the dentist stuck in your mouth? And he said "Little pinch" and it felt like somebody stabbed you with a dagger in the cheek?

    Lasers == no more big fucking needles

    sounds like an improvement to me

    1. Re:The Needle?! by Zathrus · · Score: 2

      Nitrous doesn't affect everyone. Others it affects very well.

      I've had nitrous before - did nothing to me. The previous patient getting some dental work done, however, was apparantly trying to get the entire office to sing along with her.

    2. Re:The Needle?! by mskfisher · · Score: 2

      When I got my wisdom teeth out, I discovered that I react very poorly to nitrous. The best description I can manage is "bad trip".
      It put me just under consciousness, and I drifted back slowly... all the while not knowing where I was, and feeling trapped inside my paralyzed body... listening to my panic-induced pulse increase on the heart monitor.
      The assistants' inane chitchat (part of the plan to "relax"/distract me, I'm sure) was painful, too, as everything was happening in slow-motion... (Sssooo tthhee wweeaatthheerr'ss bbeenn wwaarrmmeerr..... heeeheeeeheeee...) and I would say whatever they would prompt me to, not what I wanted to, even though I knew it was false.

      All in all, next time I just go for the injection straightaway, none of that NO2 crap.

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    3. Re:The Needle?! by Arcturax · · Score: 2

      Ouch, you should have asked for full anethesia. Its expansive but well worth it for this type of operation. It helps if your insurance covers some or most of it like mind did (about half the operation was covered).

      As it turns out, I just had mine out (all 4, impacted) this Tuesday (yes I'm still very sore but healing up nicely and even made it into work today).

      They put a tube into my vein, which was like a small pinprick, the only pain I would feel for the next few hours. The doctor then put in 3 mini hypo's of "the good stuff" and pressed them in one after another. By the time he was pushing in he 3rd one, the room was getting a bit spinny. I laid back in the chair to relax a bit and didn't even finish my "I wonder how long this takes" thought. Next thing I know, I'm waking up on some kind of bed and being helped into a wheelchair. I saw double for a good hour or so afterwards, but it was worth not remembering a damn thing about the operation between the pinprick and waking up :P

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    4. Re:The Needle?! by bani · · Score: 2

      When I heard I was going to have to have all 4 of my impacted wisdom teeth removed, I DEMANDED full anethesia.

      It was well worth it: It turns out they were so crowded and impacted that they had to take each tooth out by sectioning -- cutting them into several pieces and taking each piece out individually.

    5. Re:The Needle?! by mskfisher · · Score: 2

      Oh, i got the anesthesia too. I am still baffled as to why they thought that gassing me beforehand would be helpful.
      It knocked me for a good solid loop, afterward - I don't remember the drive home (thanks, Dad), and I just collapsed into bed, gauze and all.
      I woke up a few hours later...

      My basic recollection of the whole recovery experience was that "it hurts until it doesn't."

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    6. Re:The Needle?! by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      You know, misquitos are able to inject anethesa into people without them feeling a thing.

      Why can't we replicate the misquito's techniques?

  12. Frickin' laser beam by patiwat · · Score: 3, Funny

    Great, now I'll have a frickin' laser beam attached to my head...

  13. Really... lasers? by huhmz · · Score: 2, Funny

    I mean come on... lasers? I don't like this new wonderous technology from nowhere. Next thing you know we're all confined to our houses and martial law rules and a bunch of fucking lizards is taping earths water.
    I for one will not stand for it, Im going to research red anti-lizard powder.

  14. OK, so... by altgrr · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...if you can make a Tesla coil out of an old TV, can you make a few slight modifications to a CD-ROM to make a dentist's (finger quotes) laser...?

    Come to think of it, Doctor Evil does look slightly like my dentist. Time to run, methinks.

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  15. No pain? by Skyshadow · · Score: 2

    Aw, what fun is that? Steve Martin would be very upset.

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  16. Re:Hmm.. pain, what pain? by DecoDragon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My dentist has a laser, he loves it.

    My tooth was cracked. To have the crown fitted properly, because of the tooth shape and the deep crack, he needed to get below the gum line. There was sort of an indentation in the shape of the tooth, so my gum was coming over where the cap needed to go. My dentist used his laser to cut back the gum and importantly - cauterize - the cut at the same time. That allowed him to continue the work, it didn't hurt for me. My dentist says he couldn't have done it as quickly or easily, that it would have been quite difficult, if he hadn't had his new laser.

    I'm a big fan of brushing and flossing also. Who would have thought that a bagel would be so bad (bagels are a leading cause of cracked teeth - don't eat stale bagels).

  17. But...but...but... by mhore · · Score: 2, Funny
    No pain means no more dentist gas! Please leave the pain in!

    Mike.

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  18. My Dentist by swagr · · Score: 2

    My dentist always asks me if I'd like nitrous oxide along with the "freezing". I always say yes.

    If these lasers are painless I WON'T GET MY NO2!

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  19. Pain free... by jsonmez · · Score: 2, Funny

    Until you accidentally move your head to the left during the process.

  20. Free Dental Work by stilwebm · · Score: 2

    I feel sorry for the people who answered the sign at their university to finally get that aching tooth worked on. Does this hurt? (muffled scream) How about this? This?

  21. Re:Ozone dentistry (from the Brits!) by gosand · · Score: 2, Funny
    Warning! Total karma-whoring post to follow...
    The Brits, on the other hand, have gone for a no-hole approach...

    Sorry, but taking dental advice from the Brits is like taking security advice from Microsoft.

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  22. Pain free, huh? by beleg777 · · Score: 2

    Right up until they miss. "Oops, sorry about that small hole in your cheek."

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  23. Dr. Evil as dentist by bshroyer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Remove this drill from my presence! All I ask for is a frick'n "Laser."

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    1. Re:Dr. Evil as dentist by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      Heard on Luke Skywalker's answering machine:

      "Luke! [heavy breath] This is your dentist! [heavy breath] You are overdue for an appointment. [heavy breath twice] [beeeeep]..."

  24. Re:Ozone dentistry (from the Brits!) by gosand · · Score: 2
    But when they've got Austin Powers incisors, then there's clearly a need for serious research.

    Speaking of that, did you notice at the end of the first AP, his teeth were fixed? In one of the scenes where he is in the hotel room, he smiles and his teeth "glint" because he got them fixed for her. Then in the next movie, they were crooked again. Man, it must be genetic if cosmetic surgery can't even fix them. :-)

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  25. Re:Ozone dentistry (from the Brits!) by sql*kitten · · Score: 2

    Sorry, but taking dental advice from the Brits is like taking security advice from Microsoft.

    Or diet advice from a Yank!

  26. Lasers can do anything! by WinstonSmith · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wow. First laser eye surgery, and now laser teeth surgery.

    I'll bet we all get spam in a few days telling us to INCREASE YOUR PENIS SIZE USING LASERS!

  27. Pushing it around violently? by Danse · · Score: 2

    Who's your dentist? Orin Scrivello, D.D.S.?

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  28. Re:No drill dentistry...expensive? by Garin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I can't give you a detailed comparison. I'll tell you what I've learned so far though.

    First, some background. My education is physics and mathematics. My wife is a dentist. About two years ago, I attended a lecture by a visiting professor who was doing work building things like dental lasers -- the so-called sub-picosecond-pulse lasers. It was an excellent lecture and he really knew his stuff. Naturally, I came home all abuzz, and started talking to my wife about it.

    It turns out that many dentists think the lasers may be cool and all, but they'll probably never use them for drilling out teeth. Cutting softer tissue, sure, but not drilling the actual tooth. She says that a huge part of the drilling process is feel. While you're drilling, you can feel when you're drilling softer, infected enamel and dentin versus hard, clean tooth. Taking that feel away would severely compromise her ability to be sure that she's drilled out all the decay, without drilling out too much of the tooth and possibly compromising its integrity or perforating into the pulp.

    My wife has left for her office already, so I can't get her to comment directly. I'd love to hear from any other dentists, though. What do you think? Is feel really that important when you're drilling?

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  29. In a dentist's office, far away by Torgo's+Pizza · · Score: 3, Funny
    DR. TARKIN: Since you are reluctant to provide us with the location of the cavity, I have chosen to test this dentist's chair new laser... on your bicuspid.

    LEIA: No! My bicuspid is fine. It has no cavities. You can't possibly...

    DR. TARKIN: You would prefer another target? Some plaque perhaps? Then name the tooth!

    Dr. Tarkin waves menacingly toward Leia.

    DR. TARKIN: I grow tired of asking this. So it'll be the last time. Where is the cavity?

    LEIA: (softly) Left back molar.

    Leia lowers her head.

    LEIA: It's on my left back molar.

    DR. TARKIN: There. You see Darth Dentist, she can be reasonable. Continue with the operation. You may fire when ready.

    LEIA: What?

    DR. TARKIN: You're far too trusting. Your back molar is too remote to make an effective demonstration. But don't worry. We will deal with your cavity soon enough.

  30. the joy of budget cuts by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    If the gov fedralizes dental work, then they can do missle defense and dental work at the same time off the same laser. Just hope they don't get the lenses mixed up.

  31. Re:Ozone dentistry (from the Brits!) by Abreu · · Score: 2

    Well, it would make sense that Gringos do a lot of dietary research and Brits do a lot of dental research.

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  32. simple fillings are simple already by g4dget · · Score: 2
    If you can get by with the laser, chances are that your filling is pretty simple anyway. You probably wouldn't feel anything with a modern high-speed drill on such a filling even if you didn't get Novocain. Or you can use one of those new sandblast-like drills.

    The big stuff--crowns, root canals, removal of old fillings, and all that, still requires a drill, often of the slow variety, to get the right shape and surface. The mechanical feedback is important to dentists to know when to stop drilling and to create subtle surface features that make the fillings actually stay in.

    And even if you could ablate half a tooth with a high powered laser, frankly, I wouldn't want to have half a tooth, or old amalgam fillings, for that matter, vaporized inside my mouth.