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An anonymous reader writes: "Interesting article from the Philadelphia Inquirer that talks about the Cable industry's goal of creating a tv top device that can work in any franchise. 'Some fear that Comcast will wield inordinate clout in deciding what kind of box customers will be able to buy.' It's only their goal because the government made them.

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  1. FP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Just another fp. Go on, mod it down. *sigh*.

    In this sad world, people grudge first posts. :(

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    2. Re:FP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Damn. i was so close to a fp.

  2. What I would prefer ... by maxwell+demon · · Score: -1, Redundant

    ... would be a set-top box which removes commercials.

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  3. Expense? by MiTEG · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "... the DCP501 home theater system, a hybrid digital cable box, DVD player and high-end stereo that goes for $900."

    I'd be scared to spend that sort of money on any TV tuner because the widespread adoption of HDTV is on the horizon. Undoubtedly the tuners of today will become useless within a few years time with DRM being built into programming and all. I've always seen that as a reason not to buy combo systems; when one of the components becomes obsolete, you have to replace the whole thing.

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    1. Re:Expense? by t0qer · · Score: 2
      Hey good point on HDTV but what about the threat of internet movie distribution?
      Live from Iran, Film88

      An earlier /. story.

      If network capacity has a moores law to it, then the next generation of internet broadband may run at 10megs if most of us have 1 meg down on DSL now. At that point I think even HDTV will have a shelf life.

      Or maybe i'm a geek who spends too much time rotting away in front of my computer on slashdot.

    2. Re:Expense? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      what high end stereo goes for under 3k? and what true high end system goes under 30k?

      digital tv box'es however are kinda nifty around here, if you're without cable because it offers nicer picture and more channels.

      and plain analog tv is _supposed_ to end 2006(?) here(finland).

      imho hdtv is flunked...

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    3. Re:Expense? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      high end is a relative term. people can say a volkswagen is a high end, or an acura, or bmw, or what about aston martin? And as for any single person who would spend 30,000$ on a stereo, get a fucking life. go outside once in a while. enjoy nature while you can, so u can tell your grandkids about it when its gone. or tell them about the stereo you bought that could feed an african village for a year. your choice. totally off topic, so i appologize.

    4. Re:Expense? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True high end?

      Ah! Tjoeb CD (new) $500
      Melos SHA-1 (used) $500
      Sennheiser HD600 phones (new) $200
      1 RCA interconnect (choose one, or make it yourself) $100

      Spend any more and you're just jerking off. But if you want to spend $30K I suspect it's already an ingrained habit.

    5. Re:Expense? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was wandering around in an electronics store the other day, and I saw a 'CDR / CDRW player' for sale for over $400.

      This, when the right $200 DVD player is capable of doing it, in addition to playing DVDs from any region?

    6. Re:Expense? by BrK · · Score: 2

      You can get a high-end receiver for under $2k (Harman/Kardon, Denon, Yamaha, etc) a good set of speakers can be had for another $2K (5.1 setup) add maybe $2500 for a nice HDTV rear-projection set, a few hundred for a progressive-scan DVD player and you've got a very nice setup about $7K.

      Sure, the sky is the limit when it comes to spending money on A/V equipment, but it doesn't take $30K to get a "true high-end" system.

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    7. Re:Expense? by mosch · · Score: 2
      Five speakers, and a subwoofer for $2k? $2500 for a good HDTV projector? You're hilarious.

      Make those numbers $7,000 and $5000 respectively, and I'll agree.

    8. Re:Expense? by BrK · · Score: 2

      Yes, you can get a good set of speakers for $2k. Granted I spent more than that on *each* of my front speakers, but you can get a decent sub for $700, that leaves $1300 for the other 5 speakers, or a little more than $100/speaker. I'm not saying you're going to get a heart-stopping THX certified system for that price, but you *will* get a very impressive setup, if you know what you're doing.

      For the TV I said $2500 for a rear-projection TV, not a LCD/DLP projector. Again, you won't get the top of the line 500" super-mega-size TV, but you can get a very good 40-60" projection set, again, if you know what you're doing.

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    9. Re:Expense? by jandrese · · Score: 2

      Do you even know what you're talking about?

      While it feels like I'm being trolled, there are some things about your post that have me scratching my head.

      $1300 / 5 == $260. You're looking at quite a bit more than $100/speaker. Honestly I tend to gravitate away from the ultra expensive home audio equiptment personally (my ears aren't all that hot and my apartment is noisy anyway). So I can't really comment on the quality of the equiptment you'll get for that price.

      That said, I do know some things about HDTV, and I can tell you that you are crazy if you think you're going to get any sort of HDTV worth having for $2500, much less a rear projection setup. Depending on the size, $2500 will be tight for an NTSC rear projection unit.

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    10. Re:Expense? by BrK · · Score: 2

      You're right, $1300/5 =$260/speaker. I was typing too fast.

      Here is a HDTV (RPTV) worth having for $1900:
      http://www.valleycomputer.net/default.asp? ItemCode =55PP9401

      That is merely 1 example, and you can argue all day about what qualifies as "worth having", but the truth is that $2500 buys a lot of TV these days.

      RPTV and HDTV prices have come down quite a bit in the last year, they are no longer the toys of the .com stock-options weenies they were when I got mine a few years back.

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  4. Open source possibility? by 8282now · · Score: 0

    Any chance for an open source/hardware design to compete (or at least make an entry) in this market segment? It'd be great to have an alternative to the major "powers that be" as far as an source of supply for cable hardware.... I don't want to simply exchange who get's paid for the hardware...

    1. Re:Open source possibility? by Klerck · · Score: -1, Troll

      Judging from every other open source failure in the hardware market... no.

  5. UK has been there and done that by dun0s · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Before we launch into the conspiracy theory (government/cable company control of what you think etc...) I would just like to say that the UK has had this kind of interactive box for a while now... and they work really well. Both cable and satellite users have a digital set top box that not only allows them to watch TV but also interact with the programming. It lets them view different camera feeds, participate in polls and quizzes, interactive TV schedules that can be linked to hard disk recording, not to mention the ease of buying stuff with those home shopping channels. Just pressing the red button the remote control when watching a news program brings up a wealth of background information.

    Granted the boxes are provided by the cable or satellite company, and yes they do decide what you get to view... but hasn't this always been the way with television?

    --dan

    1. Re:UK has been there and done that by budalite · · Score: 1

      With the notable exceptions of the BBC & other similar state-run media, the cable/satellite/television companies do *not* decide what "we" view. What we view is literally decided by what we watch. The producers and advertisers spend a lot of money trying to discover what we watch so they can program and advertise to the largest/richest/whatever-is-today's-target crowd. We get exactly what we are asking for on TV and Radio. Or rather, we get exactly what the advertisers think the majority/richest/target crowd wants today. You can blame your neighbors. Enough to make you a geek, huh? :)

    2. Re:UK has been there and done that by gilroy · · Score: 2
      Blockqouth the poster:

      The producers and advertisers spend a lot of money trying to discover what we watch

      Yeah, but they spend it poorly, and then deduce unreasonably precise patterns from extremely coarse data. And then they make a decision based on their preconceptions of how the audience will respond... meaning, in the end, they do decide for us.


      It really doesn't matter what questions you ask or who, if you're going to massively filter the data...

    3. Re:UK has been there and done that by bitdamaged · · Score: 1

      This exists in the US but it's rolling out relatively slowly. I think Insight has a rollout in the Atlanta area, Charter has a test going on St. Louis and Cablevision has this in the New Jersey area.

      The issue in the US. is the actual boxes themselves. There is a huge cost overhead to delivering new boxes to all customers houses ($300-$500 per household) and there is no guarantee that there will be a significant cost return to the cable co. The importance of the announcement of a "universal" box is that the cable companies can pass this cost along to the consumer which will allow them to rollout additional services at a much lower cost.

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    4. Re:UK has been there and done that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just press the red button? That's standby on my remote control. Actually that is the best idea! Whenever the, "press red to watch the adverts on the shopping channel from 5 angles, and vote for the most boring one" message comes on, I DO press red, and switch off the TV!!!

      Excellent!

  6. Paranoia, Paranoia.. by CBNobi · · Score: 1

    A universal set-top box would be very convenient - it brings together a wide, demanding audience from various cable companies, and as a result, may provide a better "viewing experience".

    However, could this be another ploy by the industries to round the entire consumer base up in order to easily dish out digital rights management technology?

    Then again, it's just a black box...

    1. Re:Paranoia, Paranoia.. by Alien54 · · Score: 2
      They are threatened with losing a part of their perceived maonopoly, and want to hold o to it, naturally.

      Am I surprised? Me?

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  7. Soft, not Hard by squaretorus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Surely the future of TV decoding is in Software, not hardware.

    Even my laptop is quite up to the job of decoding a DVD glitch free without a funky card on board.

    Sell me a licence to a bit of software that I can install on any hardware, that will allow me to watch certain channels. When I want to upgrade just send me a patch, so I can watch more football.

    Soon it will be cheaper to bundle the hardware with a DVD player, or CD plater, or the TV, or you kettle - so why persist in trying to get people to buy boxes. People are scared of wasting money on black boxes.

    Sell them a bit of software on the otherhand - and give them a free box with it - and away you go. They then know that when the software or the hardware start to limit their fun they can upgrade without having to throw the lot away.

    1. Re:Soft, not Hard by BrK · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The future of TV decoding will be in hardware for quite some time. Hollywierd and the cable co's *are* worried about some rouge software cropping up that allows you to consume for free. They have *NO* incentive to let you watch TV the way you want to.

      People may be scared of wasting money on black boxes, but they want their TV! So, most lemmings will buy a new black box so that they can watch the latest lame reality-tv series.

      Gawd-forbid the American public read a book, or go outdoors and excercise in their free time.

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    2. Re:Soft, not Hard by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

      You mean like the
      rogue software I'm trying to create?

      And no, this isn't a "free tv" thing for me, it's more like a "vengeance against AT&T" thing.

    3. Re:Soft, not Hard by BrK · · Score: 2

      Is that a valid e-mail address?

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    4. Re:Soft, not Hard by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

      My slashdot hotmail account? Yes.

  8. ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Think outside the bun? The only thing that taco bell got me was nasty diarreah. think outsiide the cable box? Am I going to be shitting ICs?

  9. For a more technical slant by Gwaihir+the+Windlord · · Score: 1

    The IEEE had an article on it here in July. It's got some of the specs they're aiming for, as well as a few of the other big players. M$ is in there of course. The last paragraph is also a nice reality check.

  10. Why Comcast Sucks(not a troll) by phunhippy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Comcast is wielding monoplistic powers(yeah its not spelled right). I recently turned off my cable TV service in favor of DirecTV. However I kept my Cable Modem service as its the only high-speed internet service availble to me(no dsl yet). Comcast tells me they are very sorry i'm changing at that my bill will be $5 more a month now that i don't have cable TV.. fine no problem i say..

    So now 3 months later i get a letter in the mail informing me that the because that they have a great new pricing scheme for Cable Internet. In fact the price stays the SAME at $42 of your a comcast subscriber.

    But if yer not a comcast subscriber its now $60!! ok people thats insane!

    but wait! comcast will offer me(in same letter) truly basic cable tv of 30 channels(remember when that was a lot?) for 12 dollars a month more.. and of course since i would get cable from them the internet would go back down to $42.. and i would SAVE 17 dollars according to them.. Yet either way i still pay at least 15-17 more dollars.. and i don't even want their stinking Cable. Oh and i have 1 week to decide by next billing cycle the letter states..

    No not a abusive monopoly at all.. Now I'm just waiting for DSL to become available in my area and I'll switch first chance i can & Then i'll never have to give money to comcast again. They lost a customer with that horrible "new" policy of thiers.

    1. Re:Why Comcast Sucks(not a troll) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was in much of the same boat as you were. I decided to switch one day to Dish since it was cheaper for more channels, but I couldn't give up my cable modem. DSL was an option, but I thought that Verizon was more Evil(TM) then Comcast. At the time, Comcast charged like $5 more per month for non-subscribers. For that $5, I would receive the very limited cable (Local channels, weather radar...and I think USA) After everything was installed, low and behold I have the regular service that most people pay 40 bucks a month for. Come to find out, in my area they either don't want to shell out the extra money for the traps necessary, or they just don't care. Either way, I am not the only one since several of my co-workers are also like this.

      So for $50/month, I get cable tv and a cable modem. When people ask how I can justify paying $50/month for the internet when they only pay $10-20, I just point out that they are also paying $40 for cable, $10-20 for an ISP, and they tie up the phone line/have to get a second phone line.

    2. Re:Why Comcast Sucks(not a troll) by Duwke · · Score: 2, Interesting

      RoadRunner used to do this too, but one of the techs told me they got in trouble for the practice and had to stop. So now you can get RoadRunner cable service for the exact same price as if you had cable with them. You may want to check around and see if you can find anything...

    3. Re:Why Comcast Sucks(not a troll) by Windcatcher · · Score: 1

      Have you looked into RCN? It's another cable/local telco company that offers cable modem service. I know they're here and there in Delware County, at least...go and check it out. A friend of mine has it and he says it's way better than Comcast.

    4. Re:Why Comcast Sucks(not a troll) by phunhippy · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately in my town Comcast is the only game around.. its a shame too because it's never gone down once(cept once) and works well.. but if a company pulls stuff like that why should i give them more of my money? i'd much rather support their competior and let them know i'm doing it.

    5. Re:Why Comcast Sucks(not a troll) by kiwimate · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm utterly fed up with Comcast, and would dearly love to switch but have no options in my area. No DSL, and no other cable provider, unfortunately. Their crimes are many and grievous:

      * The initial kit they sent me contained a dead NIC. That didn't matter too much, seeing as how they didn't supply drivers. That was back in, oh, April, I think. I still don't have a replacement NIC. By the way, Comcast, it's unacceptable to tell me that I can always go and buy my own NIC. I shouldn't have to pay extra to fix a problem in which the fault is entirely yours!

      * Despite their advertising claims of "no disconnections" (a touted benefit over dial-up), I keep getting disconnected. I'll be surfing and emailing, then...nothing. Usually this results in me having to phone them and tell them they've got a problem (it's most frequently a server down). And, mate, do I love being told by them they don't have a problem and it must be on my end, until after five or ten minutes of arguing they finally say, "oh, wait, you're right, we DO have a problem in your area". No kidding.

      * I'll frequently start up my computer and check my e-mail only to discover my authentication isn't accepted. I can wait and hope, or log on and reset my passwords and watch it spring back into life. Account maintenance? What account maintenance? Strange, by the way, the only accounts which ever have this problem are the three (out of six) from which I've sent email complaints.

      * Their technical support staff have no idea what they can or can't do. I've phoned and been promised a specific resolution, then three days later phoned to find out the status only to be told "Comcast doesn't do that". When I've pointed out that I was point-blank promised they did do that only three days ago, I usually get some lame excuse of "well, we changed our policy last week".

      I've asked them to explain the advertising claims of "no disconnections" which are demonstrably false. Big surprise -- they're conveniently ignoring that little issue. I've also asked them to explain why I often have to reset my account passwords. (Most recently -- this morning, three of my accounts wouldn't authenticate until I'd reset the passwords.)

      Usually I get a reply asking me to call technical support. Why should I? The problem and resolution are clearly established, and calling technical support means I have to hang on the phone (wasting my time which I could be charging out at $250 an hour, thus resulting in lost revenue of $41.67 every ten minutes, which I'm sure they're not going to reimburse), only to get a reply which I can't be sure is going to be valid tomorrow.

      I've never been this angry at a company, and would almost consider it worthwhile to go back to dial-up simply to be freed from the appalling company that is Comcast. And therein lies the rub; it's just too convenient, and I don't have a high-speed option. But here is the most telling feature of a monopoly; whenever I've complained to Comcast about their service problems, their reply has been two-fold:

      (i) get a T1 line for my home to get more reliable connectivity (I kid you not, this was their recommendation);
      (ii) Comcast doesn't have any service level agreements. Out for more than 24 hours? Well, then we can credit your account out of the graciousness of our hearts. But we don't have to do anything, we don't have to provide any minimum level of service, and you can't do anything about it.

      So who do I complain to? I'm a permanent resident, but not a citizen (I've not lived here long enough to apply for citizenship yet), so can I complain to a politician given I can't vote for them? Will the Better Business Bureau do anything? Or is there something like a chamber of commerce at a local level to whom it would be appropriate to direct complaints? Because, frankly, I've had a gutsful of Comcast and I'm angry enough that I want to do something to make them take notice, but I haven't yet heard of a class-action suit against them. Is there anything I can do in Montgomery County, PA?

    6. Re:Why Comcast Sucks(not a troll) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      www.dslreports.com

      that is where you go for pointless ineffective comcast-bashing. i was reading this thread to learn about opinions on universal set-top cable ready boxes, and the fcc's recent mandates regarding digital cable-ready televisions.

    7. Re:Why Comcast Sucks(not a troll) by kc0dby · · Score: 1

      I have the same problems in Ohio. It should be pretty obvious just looking at their digital cable commercials:

      Claim 1: No extra fee for extra TV's

      Truth 1: Additional 'complex installation fee' as well as a monthly fee for use of the set top boxl

      Claim 2: 24 Hour Local Customer Service


      There's a local office, but they are open during regular business hours, one day a week, one week a month, one year a millenia. I usually got somebody with an accent so think I can barely hear through it.


      Claim 3:
      Always on...
      Yeah, sure...

      Well, I switched to DSL, and don't have many complaints so far with the exception of the lousy linux support: "What's My Username" "You use linux, we can't help you:

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    8. Re:Why Comcast Sucks(not a troll) by Zathrus · · Score: 2

      I despise Comcast... they were the original cable provider in my area. The ones that hooked up my cable without a ground line. Lightning strike somewhere vaguely nearby destroyed a VCR and damaged my receiver -- the VCR was cheaper to replace than fix and the receiver cost me a couple hundred to fix. Another surge took out my TiVo.

      Of course, they refused to pay my costs, claimed there was no fault (and quietly went and attached the ground wire), and eventually went bye-bye. I still have cable, but only because there are 60' trees blocking my SW view. Eventually I'll figure out which tree is the culprit and have it removed. Then I'll kick the cable company out once and for all.

    9. Re:Why Comcast Sucks(not a troll) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > is there anything..

      1) Write a few letters. Yes, a complete waste of time as the FCC is as just another industry extension office like the rest of the Feds. But, it might make you feel better.

      First letter... Focus on the Internet/TV service bundling. I believe bundling is illegal, if you can demonstrate monopoly. Gee, Cable TV is, by definition, a Government granted Monopoly (aka. a Government Franchise).

      Second letter... Rant about poor service, mention FCC's role at regulating these monopolies to protect the citizens who have little choice in the matter.

      2) Drop Cable for Dish Network or Direct TV. You'll likely save a few bucks on the TV bit. Plead for DSL, or go back to dial-up, or maybe Sat. Internet (Direcway) would fill the need. The key is to disincent Comcast at any reasonable cost.

      I started with Comcast internet, it sucked monkey balls. Switched to Verizon DSL, and for whatever people may think of them, their service has always "just worked".

    10. Re:Why Comcast Sucks(not a troll) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Eventually I'll figure out which tree is the culprit and have it removed.

      Dig around on the net. Twice a year the sun lines up behind the satellites for about a week. All you have to do is go outside and find the sun at the right time for your area.

      You can even check multiple slots on the same day. Go out for 101 (Directv), then come back later for 110 or 119 (either Dish or Directv). If you can see the sun at the designated time, your dish will be able to see the satellite.

      Incidentally, this sun-alignment makes life really interesting for the actual providers, since the receivers occasionally get overloaded for a few minutes. You actually lose channels briefly as it progresses across the sky.

    11. Re:Why Comcast Sucks(not a troll) by Dudio · · Score: 1

      My favorite part about Comcast Digital Cable is that the cable boxes they provide (at $15/month) don't have digital audio outs (however, they do have a Dolby Digital logo on the front just to piss you off further). When I called to complain, I was told "there are boxes with digital audio outputs, but we don't provide or support them because they cost more". Of course, the info on their website dances around the issue by saying it's easy to hook up to your stereo and it has high quality sound while stopping short of mentioning the fact that your audio is analog beyond the cable box. Pricks.

    12. Re:Why Comcast Sucks(not a troll) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As useful and entertaining as the internet occasionally is, my advice would be to suck it up and go back to dial-up. But do it loudly with letters to local newspapers and lots of complaining to the company itself. Really, when a company sucks this hard, you just have to go elsewhere. Maybe there's a coffee shop nearby with wireless for when you really need a fix.

  11. Don't forget our fair use rights! by svzurich · · Score: 1

    I would like to see these groups actually solicit input from and listen to the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Instead of letting big business install DRM copy-rape software at our expense, fair protections should be built into these boxes to allow us to timeshift, possibly skip commercials, and even to share broadcasts. I don't mind if a "pay per view" show can't be shared, or even if it has limited views after recording, but I want the ability to watch what I want when I want and how I desire. If the potential customers had some say in how these boxes are designed, we might be much more likely to buy the things. Ease the fears of your typical /. reader, and the companies will find lots of technology acolytes to preach the wonders to the masses. Make us happy, and we will recommend the boxes to our family and friends. Ignore us, and may these boxes go the way of the Divx boxes that Circuit City lost so much money on. Media companies, throw us a bone and gain valuable allies. Screw us over and we will hack our ways to freedom. To those who claim we have no fair use rights, I buy items to own. I expect the freedom to use my possessions as I see fit. Any restrictions on that perceived right of mine will be resisted by all means possible. Do not forget the power of the customer, we are always right. Note, I am not a consumer. I will not be spoonfed whatever the media companies decide. I am a customer and I exercise the right to withhold my money if mistreated.

    1. Re:Don't forget our fair use rights! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Please, EFF, help us cripple our copy protection strategy! We'll be happy to pay you so that you the money to defend the next person we attack with DMCA."

      Ignore you and these boxes will go the way of the hundreds of millions of similar boxes - into the lounge rooms of everyone, including all the slashbots who alternate between whining about monopolies and drooling over DVD releases and anime on cable.

      You don't buy items to own if you sign an agreement saying that you agree to other terms. If you can't get what you want without signing the agreement you can't have it - just try getting cable without a contract. Nobody has to sell you anything on your terms. Any other way just leads to bread lines and a broken economy.

      And the really sad thing is - for that little glimpse into your world of utopian communist fantasy, you'll probably be called "Insightful".

  12. I don't want another stupid box! by virtual_mps · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is one of the big reasons I canceled cable and continue to refuse to get a satellite system--I don't want a box, with another remote (that would make 5 total) and a barrier to recording one program while I watch another. We know why cable providers love these stupid boxes (they can send more vacuous, overly-compressed channels, and don't like time-shifting anyway) but unless they can come up with a convincing reason I should pay for inferior service, I'll continue to just say no.

    1. Re:I don't want another stupid box! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but unless they can come up with a convincing reason I should pay for inferior service, I'll continue to just say no.

      Personally I'd rather just pay for the stations I watch. There's about 5 or 6 channels I actually pay to watch. The rest of them are filler that come along "free" with my service. I've NEVER sat and watched the Food Network or the Home and Garden channel or BET or any of the other crap channels. How about you let me choose what channels I want to receive on this magical cable box and ONLY send me those channels for a reduced rate? Say $1/channel/month?

    2. Re:I don't want another stupid box! by Kamel+Jockey · · Score: 2

      Yea... I want to take your point further though... the convergence on a single type of set top box is useless unless it can be integrated with new TVs, much like all modern "cable-ready" TVs and VCRs you buy today will allow you to view standard cable channels without the need for a set-top box.

      Designers need to understand that in the home entertainment market, less is more. In addition to the very valid point you make about remote controls, I also don't like to mess with running extra cables, power cords, and other crap behind my entertainment system unless its absolutely needed. Most home-entertainment consumers also don't want to deal with the extra hassle. This isn't the same as a computer setup, where it can sometimes be helpful to have multiple, easily exchangeable components (e.g., an external cable/dsl modem connected to a router).

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    3. Re:I don't want another stupid box! by topham · · Score: 2


      Not all companies are like that. Maybe just the american ones??

      I have 2 digital cable boxes for Shaw (Canada). The extra cost? None, except purchasing the box itself. (In my case free, as it was given to me by a friend).

      There was no fee for enabling the second box, and no fee for continuing to use it. I -could- hook it up to my VCR and use it to record anything I want whenever I want. (VCR supports one of those ir-dongles to change cable box channels).

      At one time I agreed with you, but, having used digital cable for a while I'm generally impressed with the implementation and attitude.

      Yes, some shows are a little blocky, not compressed at the rate they should be, but most are fine. I've seen worse on analog cable as there are a couple of companies that get digital feeds and then broadcast them analog. (Worst of both worlds!).

    4. Re:I don't want another stupid box! by virtual_mps · · Score: 1

      I have 2 digital cable boxes for Shaw (Canada). The extra cost? None, except purchasing the box itself. (In my case free, as it was given to me by a friend).

      There was no fee for enabling the second box, and no fee for continuing to use it. I -could- hook it up to my VCR and use it to record anything I want whenever I want. (VCR supports one of those ir-dongles to change cable box channels).



      You really think having two seperate decoder boxes and an ir dongle is a great leap forward? I didn't say it wasn't possible to contort yourself through a bunch of hoops to get what you want, but why bother? I have an antenna that pulls in tv channels for free. If you're going to convince me to spend money for the same thing it needs to be easier and more convient rather than the opposite.
    5. Re:I don't want another stupid box! by ncc74656 · · Score: 2
      This is one of the big reasons I canceled cable and continue to refuse to get a satellite system--I don't want a box, with another remote (that would make 5 total) and a barrier to recording one program while I watch another.

      Hmm...my TiVo is perfectly capable of controlling the digital-cable box I obtained recently. Watching TV now is no different (other than the increased number of channels) than it was when the coax went straight into the TiVo: go into Now Showing, find something interesting, and start playing.

      The box came with a remote, but the only thing for which it's possibly needed is to order PPV (and you can do that over the phone or through the cable company's website). Channel changing is a little bit slower, but since I almost never watch live TV, that's no big deal. I still have the coax running straight into a couple of VCRs, too, so I could have up to three programs (one digital, two analog) recording at once if that should become necessary.

      (I swiped the batteries from the cable-box remote yesterday. They now power the thermostat in my homebrew fermentation fridge. The ability to make beer any time of the year without cranking the A/C down to ridiculously low temperatures will be nice. :-) )

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    6. Re:I don't want another stupid box! by topham · · Score: 2

      I could care less about convincing you, if you are properly served by what you already have.

      Me, cable isn't a choice, I'd be left with about 4 local stations that a hardly ever watch. And, once someone goes cable, around here the price difference is negligible (and, depending on options digital is slightly cheaper.).

      My point was that the same level of functionality can exist without significant increase in cost.

      You, currently, benefit from the fact that both your TV and your VCR have an analog tuner built in. In a few years it'll be a digital decoder instead. Right now the issue is the transition period.

      And, admitedly, keeping the companies from screwing us over.

      Note: I don't have to ever even see the second decoder box. It can be placed hidden in a cabinet. So, while it is an extra box/requirement it isn't a big deal either.

    7. Re:I don't want another stupid box! by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 2

      the convergence on a single type of set top box is useless unless it can be integrated with new TVs

      If OpenCable ever happens, I'm sure there will be OpenCable-ready TVs just as there are cable-ready TVs today.

    8. Re:I don't want another stupid box! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The DirectTV-TiVo DSS box can record *2* shows while watching a (recorded) 3rd - and I have to say, even though I have a nice Marantz super-programmable remote, I really like the remote that came with it...

      The future of digital television boxes (cable or DSS) is going to be with PVR features built in. It's by far the best innovation in TV I have seen in a LONG time... I worked on an "interactive TV" product for > 3 years and thanks to unbelieveable mismanagement by AT&T it was a huge waste of time and money!

  13. Why didn't this happen years ago? by standards · · Score: 1

    It seems like the cable industry has a great incentive to commonize the set-top cable box. With equipment manufacturers coming and going over the years, with diverging equipment standards, why didn't the cable industry collective deliver a conclusion a decade ago?

    Clearly they were able to do so with cable modems (DOCSIS). I know the whole cable modem buiness was on 3 or 5 years old, so maybe that was the difference.

    I think a study of their failure to get their act together would help other industries (like the wireless telephone industry) figure out what the heck they're doing wrong. Clearly, commonality of standards greatly lowers infrastructure costs. And CATV and Wireless Telco wants to minimize device cost, 'cause they sell service.

    Does some business school have a (good) case study that discusses this issue? If these business schools are worth beans, someone has studied this before and published it in a journal. Someone post a URL!

    1. Re:Why didn't this happen years ago? by BrK · · Score: 2

      I don't think there was any incentive before now. Int he past, most cable companies had monopoly territories, and could charge you to lease their juk equipment. With the advent of the DSS systems, and more towns with competitive cable companies they might finally have a reason to standardize.

      Of course, once they choose a standard box, they can extort more money from you, by forcing you to "upgrade" to the new box platform.

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  14. Easier said than done. by BrK · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, for one thing "they" are going to have to decide on a conditional access system (the part the encrypts/decrypts the premium content). The two big players, Motorola and Scientific Atlanta, both currently use their own proprietary schemes, and wield a lot of power on their own (after you spend several *illion dollars to setup a Moto system, switching to SA ain't cheap or easy).

    This whole thing sounds like it's going to go the route of HDTV in the US: it's going to keep getting pushed out further and further while Hollyweird and the current monoplies sort out how much they can gouge us, and how much they can minimize our use of the content.

    In the end, we all lose.

    I think I'm going to put my rabbit ears back on my tube, and tell 'em all to K.M.A

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  15. XP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft FP XP.net

  16. I clicked a banner ad on the Slashdot home page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does that make me a bad person?

  17. Simple soloution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One box, one cable company, one tv channel, one show.

  18. Game console, cable box, remote applications by jukal · · Score: 2

    I quess Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft and other game console manufacturers are already planning when to start production of devices which combine them all, and also develop remote applications (like office tools). Is this Microsoft's worst nightmare actually? Switching to another office suite, for example, is much more simpler if it does not require any installation but is done over network instead. Maybe this was another reason why they jumped into game console business.

    1. Re:Game console, cable box, remote applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but who wants to type a letter or do a spreadsheet on their tv? i highly doubt the future of the console is in office applications.

    2. Re:Game console, cable box, remote applications by jukal · · Score: 2
      > but who wants to type a letter or do a spreadsheet on their tv?

      Those, who do not fear the TV, but fear computers?

  19. Ha, good luck by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 3, Interesting
    We tried this in England. Back in the mid nineties, when digital TV was being planned out, the plan was to have 1 decoder box with plugin modules in the back for Sky/Cable/Digital Terrestrial decoder systems. By sharing the boxes, economies of scale would be reached, the hardware would be cheaper and so uptake would be faster.

    That was when it was just the engineers. Then the lawyers got involved. Oh yes. The lovely EU Competition Commision discovered this bunch of engineers from all the major players working together and decided that wouldn't do, and split them up. They forced ITV and the cable companies to eject Sky, and pay Murdoch a few hundred million pounds in compensation. From that point on things just went downhill. The idea of the universal box was killed the moment the managers, lawyers and marketroids got hold of it.

    The humble cable box, for years a mere channel-flipper, is in for a multimedia makeover: Beefed-up boxes of the future could let you play video games online, share digital photos with friends, and maybe do other things people in the business haven't even imagined yet.

    They need to come over to my house and play with Sky Digital if this is what they think. Playing games on your TV? Been there, done that, it doesn't work needless to say. For one, the games take forever to load - even with the gigabits of bandwidth they have coming off of Astra it can take several minutes to load games - it's like being back with a Commodore 64. Then, when the games do load, they are extremely primitive and loaded with advertising. Realtime games are out as the latency involved from the handset is huge - I tried a simple top down racing game one time, it was almost unplayable as the car responded almost a second after I hit the button. Finally, there aren't many of them, as interactive TV applications are far more expensive to produce than computer apps. Interactive TV is basically dead as a from of entertainment. Where it does shine is in getting information - BBC News Interactive and Sky News Active are great. It also does simple interactive additions to programs quite well. The multiple football camera angles are rare however due to the large amount of bandwidth required.

    Believe me, interactive TV on a universal cable box? It's a TV engineers dream but in the real world, we've done it, and the PC kicks its ass in almost every respect. It's a big (expensive) white elephant.

    1. Re:Ha, good luck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but that bee-hive bedlam(ie puzzle bobble/snood) is more worthwhile than watching live E4 big bother repeats from whatever angle you want.

  20. Use Open Standards by ives · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There is already an open standard called DVB MHP (see www.mhp.org) for interactive television boxes. MHP stands for Multimedia Home Platform. MHP conformant products have already been launched in Finland and Germany and other european countries will follow over the next coming years.
    MHP is gradually being adopted by other continents apart from europe (australia for instance) and in the US, CableLabs has announced that they will be using MHP in their OpenCable specification (see this press release)

    1. Re:Use Open Standards by jukal · · Score: 2

      Here is some MHP products, just to give an idea what it is concretely about. How concrete it is, is another question, there is not-so-little of chicken-egg dilemma.

  21. The Horse-1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:44:10 0100
    From: spunkboy
    Subject: The horse

    Warning! - Before you read any further, you should take the time to read
    through this carefully. The material written herein are of explicit
    nature, which may be offensive to some people. It contains explicit sexual
    descriptions of bestiality nature. If this offends you, please do NOT read
    any further. Likewise, if you are a minor or if such material is illegal
    where you live, please stop reading here. Violations of apllicable laws are
    at own risk, the author is cannot be held responsible.

    All characters portrayed in this story are fictional. The events and places
    are likewise also fictive. Resemblance to people, places and event are
    purely coincidental. If you are unable to tell the difference between
    fiction and reality, you should seek professional help.

    Critique and comments are welcomed at: spunkboy@gay-mail.net
    Copyright 2000 by spunkboy.

    _______

    I was standing there at the gate to the field. Out in the field I could see
    the horses run around. It was a beautiful summer night. I had made a bet
    with my lover a zoofriend, Geoff, that during this summer at least one of
    us should go for it. We have only talked about animal sex and fantasized
    about it while jerking off. Now we had found a place where the horses had
    both open field and a bit of a forest to run around. It was 2 am and I got
    hard just by thinking about what was going to happen tonight. I had thought
    about it all day, from the time we had made the bet, it was a 100 dollar
    bet, till now when I stood here. What I hadn't thought about was what the
    hell I was going to do if the horse didn't want to or if they started to
    move away when we were playing with them. I was suddenly snapped out if my
    trance when Geoff came up from behind and started to hum my ass. I could
    feel that he was hard as rock too.

    - Hi Jonathan, have you been trying them out while you were alone?

    - You bastard, you almost game me a heart attack there. I know you like to
    hump me doggiestyle but not in public. No I have not been out there with
    the horses yet. I have been waiting for you to arrive, you prick.

    - Ouch, stingy!!

    We both jumped the fence and headed over towards the horses. They looked up
    at us and then returned to eating the grass. When we were a few feet away
    from them they stopped eating again. We stopped and just stood there to see
    what they were going to do. They started to make sounds but didn't move.
    Slowly we got closer and closer to the beasts. They were magnificent. When
    we were here earlier this morning we had made out choices. The white one
    was mine, because I love blondes. Geoff would try the light brown one.
    There were a total of 4 stallions that was not neutered in this field. The
    other two horses seemed to be too small, but these two were fully grown. We
    proceeded to walk up to our chosen horses. At first they backed off a few
    steppes but didn't run away. We moved closer to them again and stretched
    out our hands for them to sniff on. The light brown one started sniffing
    Geoff's hand almost at once but mine just looked at it. Geoff had now
    advanced to pet the horse on his head and neck. The horse didn't move.
    Slowly my white horse put his nose to my hand and had a sniff, it was
    smelling of human cock and precum, because I had been beating off a little
    while I was waiting for Geoff to arrive. Hey what can you expect form a
    horny 22 year old guy who dreams of animal cock every night. Well it seemed
    that the horse liked the fragrance of cock and preecum because he walked up
    to me. I started petting his neck and head. Geoff was already moving back
    to the rear region of his horse. He was petting the back of his horse. He
    looked over at me and started to grin.

    - You got the horny one!

    - What do you mean?

    - He's already coming out of the sheath. Look at that monster. You are
    gonna win this bet!

    - Did you ever think that you would win it?? There is no chance.

    We both started to laugh. I started to bend down at the same time to be
    able to watch the cock emerge from the sheath. All I could see was a black,
    round tube protruding from the sheath. It looked huge already, but it made
    me horny as hell. This was it, I was going to play with a horse cock for
    the first time in my life.

    A car drove by on the road and both Geoff and I were startled. What the
    hell were we doing?? What if someone drove by and stopped when they saw us
    masturbating the horses? We decided to get the horses with us into the
    forest where we were hidden from spectators. Without further ado I put my
    hand on the neck of my horse and started to move towards the forest and he
    followed without any hesitation. Goeff and his horse followed us and soon
    we had come far enough into the forest and now we were alone.

    I took off my tee-shirt and my cut-offs. My dick was rock hard and I let
    the hors smell it. I think he really liked it because his nostrils were
    flapping with, as I understood it, excitement. Geoff took off his clothes
    as well and I couldn't help looking at this God when he stood there in
    front of his beast all nude and hard. I can't remember how many times I
    have been sucking that cock and getting it up my ass, but it's been 7 years
    since the first time we had sex with each other. Goeff was looking back at
    me and he smiled again. I proceeded back to petting my horse. I was now
    stroking his back and stomach, and he still didn't move away. Perhaps this
    was going to be easier than we had thought.

    I could see that my beast friend was starting to protrude again, as was
    Geoffs. I nodded towards him and he looked underneath his friend and saw
    the black stock emerge. I had moved so far back on my horse now that when I
    put my hand underneath him I could feel his balls. They were so heavy and
    big. I had dreamt of this for so long and finally I was standing there
    playing with a pair of horseballs. I loved the feeling of them. I almost
    had to put both my hands together to be able to cover one ball. But my
    other hand was playing with something else at the moment so I had no time
    to play with both my hands on his balls.

    He moved his head upwards and gave out a little noise, think it's their way
    of moaning, but I didn't bother me. I was holding this thick stock in my
    hand. It felt so dry and leathery. I knelt and was now watching my hand
    move up and down this black shaft. The shaft must've been at least two foot
    long and thick. The shape of his cockhead was round with a big hole in the
    middle, it almost looked like a straw. I could see that it was getting
    wet. I looked over at Geoff who also was sitting beneath his beast wanking
    both cocks at once. I laughed at the sight. I looked back at the monster
    cock I had in front of me. It was now close to my head. I hadn't noticed
    when my hand was moving it towards my own face. But now I had it there just
    in front of me. I stuck my tongue out and tasted the wet drop on the
    cockhead. It was so strong and masculine. I just had to get an other taste
    of it.

    I started jacking his big pole furiously to produce more precum, and I got
    more than I had expected. He was now leaking huge amounts of precum. I let
    the cockhead smear it all over my face. Geoff was laughing out loud. I
    stopped my action and looked over at him. He was covered with horsecum. He
    had been wanking his beast friend so hard and fast that the horse had
    erupted all over his chest and legs. He stood up and started to walk
    towards me. When he came over to me I could see how much cum he actually
    had been showered with. It looked like tones of it. I dropped the horseball
    and placed my hand on Geoffs stomach and smeared the horsecum all over
    him. It felt so great, still warm and sticky. I removed my hand from Geoff
    and placed it in front of my face so I could lick it clean. Geoff was
    amazed when he saw me lick up the cum. He know I was a sucker for his cum
    and would eat it any time he liked to deliver it to me.

    I returned to the horsecock in my hand and started to let my hand move all
    along the entire thing. I opened my mouth and put the cockhead inside.
    Geoff was astouned by this. He had never seen a human suck on a horsecock,
    nor did he ever think he would. I started to move my head on this horsecock
    like if it was a human cock. I couldn't take that much more than the head
    into my mouth due to the thickness, but it felt great to have one inside my
    mouth. My other hand was stroking the horse shaft in a greater speed now.
    Geoff moved up behind me and placed his cock in my ass crack and pushed
    in. He was going to fuck me while I was sucking animal cock.

    The horse was making his strange noises now and I could feel the cock
    jutter a bit and I knew that soon I would be showered with horsecum too.
    Geoff fucked me like a dog, just the way he liked to fuck me - like an
    animal. I was just about to bring my hand to my mouth and remove the
    horsecock from it when I felt Geoff tighten his grip and stiffen, this
    caught me off balance and I had to put both hands on the ground as not to
    fall over. At that moment the horse started to unload his thick juicy cream
    into my throat. First I got a puke feeling but I gathered my thoughts and
    started to swallow instead. Geoff saw what was going on and unloaded his
    creamy load into my ass violently and when he had finished his work in my
    ass he withdrew and crawled up to my face.

    He was looking at me happily when he saw me gulping down horsecum, some of
    it was sipping through my lips, but that Geoff took care of. When I thought
    that the horse was done I took the cock out of my mouth and at the same
    time I got two new shots of cum all over my face. That was the last cum he
    shot that time.

    Geoff was looking at me and smiling. I started licking my face and when he
    had filled his mouth with horsecum he kissed me and let me share the taste
    with him. When we were done with the horses I realised that I had cum
    without touching myself. When we stood up I felt like I had had one hell
    of a big dinner. I was so full.

    As we were heading away from the field and the horses we both agreed on
    that we had both won the bet and that we had to do all of this over again,
    but no bet the next time. When we got back home Geoff asked me if I think I
    could ever get a horsecock up my ass, the reason was that he knew how much
    I loved animalsex and he wanted me to be able to be bred by an animal, and
    to see me get fucked by a horse would make him happy. We both agreed that
    we would do anything we could to get me ready to be bred by a horse. A
    couple of weeks later I was.

    The end.

  22. Re:The Horse-2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 06:57:32 0100
    From: I'm myself
    Subject: The Horse part 2

    Warning! - Before you read any further, you should take the time to read
    through this carefully. The material written herein are of explicit
    nature, which may be offensive to some people. It contains explicit sexual
    descriptions of bestiality nature. If this offends you, please do NOT read
    any further. Likewise, if you are a minor or if such material is illegal
    where you live, please stop reading here. Violations of applicable laws are
    at own risk, the author is cannot be held responsible.

    All characters portrayed in this story are fictional. The events and places
    are likewise also fictive. Resemblance to people, places and event are
    purely coincidental. If you are unable to tell the difference between
    fiction and reality, you should seek professional help.

    Critique and comments are welcomed at: spunkboy@gay-mail.net
    Copyright 2001 by spunkboy.

    *******************
    NOTE NOTE NOTE!!!! Two guys wrote to me on January 2nd. Unfortunately I
    erased your mails before I had a chance to reply to them. So if you read
    this one PLZ write me again, because I wanna reply to you. One of you wrote
    me a long mail, what I remember is that you are a high school student.
    *******************

    The horse and then some

    The day after Geoff and my escapades in the woods with the horses we
    decided to start working my ass to get it ready for a big pole. Geoff
    fucked me raw in the morning and after he had fucked me he stuffed me with
    a cucumber. The further away from the initial encounter with the animals,
    the bigger the things he stuffed in me. It was anything from cucumbers and
    eggplants to finally his hand. We had now come to the state of fisting. Or
    to be exact, I was getting fisted. I didn't like it at all, but I couldn't
    stop thinking about what was waiting for me at the end of the tunnel.

    One day when I got back home from work I found a note from Geoff. He wanted
    me to come to the old bowling alley. That was an old closed down building
    that was located on the outskirts of town. I had my dinner and then drove
    to the old bowling alley. As I entered the building I could smell that this
    was a place of many ppl. It smelled of sex, hot raw sex. Don't know if it
    only was between males and females or if gay guys also got here and
    zoophiles. But they couldn't bring a horse in here, so that was out of the
    question. I could see a light burning at the far end of the alley so I
    started to move over there. As I got closer I could see Geoff. He was
    sitting there on a blanket, all naked and hard.

    - Hey good looking.

    - Look who's talking, hey man what brings you here?

    - Well your note for starters. Why did you want me to get down here?

    - Get undressed and I will tell you.

    I started to undress and Geoff told me about he had longed for having sex
    in this building. Since everybody else was talking about it he wanted to
    try it. I was now standing there in front of him, completely naked. Geoff
    moved over to me and started sucking my cock, which got rock hard in an
    instance. I started to moan, at the same time I started playing with
    Geoff's hair, back and ass. I shoved a finger up his ass and finger-fucked
    him. He was now working my cock like a vacuum pump. I eased him off my dick
    and walked around him, he was still on his knees, and raised his ass a bit
    and then inserted my dick to the hilt. Geoff inhaled and kept his breath,
    he was used to having my cock up his ass but he was always surprised when I
    drove all of my meat inside him in one shove. Steadily I started to rock
    Geoff back and forth, letting him ride my rod. All too soon I felt the
    familiar feeling of my nuts contracting up towards my pelvis. I was on the
    verge of flooding him. With a few more moves I surrendered to the nature of
    hornyness. I erupted inside Geoff. I had not released my seed earlier today
    so I was able to place a big load up his ass. When my dick had softened I
    withdrew from Geoff and placed myself on my hands and knees. I was always
    up for a good fuck doggie style.

    - Stand still like that while I catch my breath, will you?

    - Sure thing hun, just don't take too long.

    - I won't. just give me a few more seconds.

    I kept still on my hands and knees. All of a sudden I felt two hairy, small
    and sharp things on my waist. I knew them from my childhood. That was dog
    paws. As I looked back I saw this gorgeous German Shepherd looking down on
    me and behind him was Geoff. Geoff was rock hard and beating off at the
    show in front of him. I could feel the dog try to hump me but he was way
    off track. Geoff noticed it too and bent down and guided the dog into
    position. Then with one thrust I could feel the sharp pain in my ass as the
    dog cock entered me. I know I was very familiar with human cock and a dog
    cock was not that much thicker. And a dog cock is pointy in the upper end
    where as a human can be thick. But the feeling was great. The dog took me
    in as his bitch without any introduction, and I agreed to be his bitch
    without any complains. I could feel him growing inside me and he pushed
    more and more of himself inside me. I knew there was a knot somewhere
    behind me and that was the thing to watch out for. Because when that
    entered your ass you would feel some real pain. I just relaxed and let the
    dog take the command, not that I had any thing to say about it. I could
    also feel squirts of pre-cum flowing into my ass, and just the thought of
    it belonging to a dog made me horny. Geoff got up in front of me and
    produced his cock to me.

    - Hope you don't mind me bringing a dog to the meeting!

    - Nah, that's okay, but where did you get it from?

    - My neighbor is sick and he wanted someone to take it for a walk today
    when his wife was away so I thought it could be a good idea to volunteer
    for the job.

    - You are a sweetie Geoff!!

    - Thank you! You are a sugar too Jonathan.

    I opened my mouth and Geoff stuck his cock inside me. Now I was being fed
    both ways. Geoff was fucking my face hard and I knew he was making out with
    the dog, because I could feel droop dripping down on my back. The dog was
    pounding my ass violently and I could feel the know knocking on my outside
    wall. Soon I could not resist it any longer and he shoved his knot inside
    me. I froze to the occasion and could not move any longer. Prior I had been
    rocking myself in the same tempo as the dog was fucking me, now I was stiff
    as a statue. He slowed down his tempo and fucking but I could feel him
    swell inside me. He was now trying to almost climb up on my back. I must've
    been a real tight fuck hole for him and he seemed to like it. Geoff liked
    it a lot and he lost his control and flooded my mouth with his love
    nectar. The dog was still making short fuck motions and I could feel the
    tension building up inside me. I was filled with a good amount of dog
    pre-cum inside my ass and soon I was to receive the real stuff too. Just
    after I had thought that I could feel him erupt! I spat out Geoff's cock
    and moaned out load. The dog was almost nibbling my ear while he crept
    closer to me. He was sure loving it. I could feel all the dog cum inside
    me. It was warm and juicy. I was kind of sad that I had not been able to
    suck him off first. Would love to have a dog erupt in my mouth, well
    perhaps Geoff and I could borrow the dog again some day soon and then I
    would suck the dog dry. But now I could just stay there on all fours
    letting the dog empty his balls inside me. I can sure say that it was one
    hell of a fuck. In the end I could swear that ppl outside the bowling alley
    could hear the dogs balls smack into my ass. It was loud and I thought it
    was hot. Now my only concern was how long would he stay tied with me? I had
    read a lot of erotica on Nifty about getting tied with dogs, and the time
    varied from 15 minutes to 45 minutes. It felt like my ass was going to blow
    if he didn't get out off me soon. But there was not much I could do about
    it now was there? The dog got down from my back and turned around so we now
    was ass to ass. He started to pull a bit and I thought I was going to
    scream my lungs out. Got it hurt. But Geoff saw the whole thing and shoved
    a tee-shirt into my mouth so I wouldn't make to much noise. I could feel
    tears falling from my eyes due to the pain, but also tears of joy from
    finally being bred by an animal. It was not the dream of my life, a black
    stallion, but a dog was fine too. Geoff started to stroke my cock and in no
    time I flooded the floor. After about 35 minutes the dog was able to pull
    out of me. Geoff was quick to stuff a butt-plug in my ass so that I was
    able to save the dog cum inside me. The dog walked off a bit and then laid
    down and started to lick his cock. Slowly I could see it shrink down and
    finally disappear into the sheath again. I looked at Geoff, smiled at him
    and gave him a kiss.

    - You really liked that Jonathan. I could feel that the dog liked it too.

    - Yeah Geoff, that was awesome. I hope we can do it again soon.

    - I don't think that will be any problem.

    I tried to stand up, but the fatigue after being fucked like that still had
    the power over me and I fell down to my hands and knees again. Geoff
    laughed at me and came and sat down by me. I could feel the dog cum run out
    of my ass hole, God a dog could really fill one up.

    After another 20 minutes I was able to stand up again. Geoff took me by my
    arm and made sure I didn't fall over or collapse. We started to get dressed
    and walk out of the building. When we were on the way home we agreed on
    that we would try out the stallions again.

    The next night we headed out to the field again. We had been out there
    earlier dropping off some equipment for the nightly action. We had built a
    contraption that looked like a jump plint from a gym, though lower. When we
    got there our first goal was to bring the horses with us up to the woods,
    that way we would be out of sight for everybody. There was no problem
    getting the horses with us. Don't know if they remembered the fun they had
    had the last time or if they were just stupid. When we had walked them up
    to the contraption of ours Geoff immediately undressed, he was hard as
    ever. I followed suite and got undressed too. Geoff had found hit 4 legged
    lover from last time and was already petting it's head, back and belly. He
    swiftly moved his hands back towards the sheath. When he got there he
    started to caress it, stroke it and fondle the horses balls. I could
    clearly see the cock emerge from it's cave and Geoff soon grabbed a hold of
    it and started to stroke it up and down, up and down. Just by seeing that I
    could feel my dick getting even harder, if that was possible. Geoff went
    down under his stud and started to lick and suck that big cock that had
    emerged. I stood there next to my animal friend and watched Geoff have his
    way with the beast of his own. Geoff was a careful guy and just before his
    horse started to deliver he pulled the cock out and received the gift of
    that animal prick in front of him onto his body and in his face. When he
    was done he came over to me. We kissed and then Geoff asked me to bend over
    and get strapped into the contraption. When I was done he started to gather
    the horsecum he had all over himself and smear it into my asscrack and into
    my hole. He easily passed his whole hand into my ass. I oohed when I felt
    him make a fist inside my ass. Geoff fistfucked me for a little while and I
    have to say it started to feel good. Oh how I was looking forward to the
    next stepp. To get bred by a stallion. I felt so dirty right now but also
    so darn good. Geoff withdrew his hand from my ass and then helped me up in
    the contraption.

    The contraption we had built was like a vaulting-box with a soft top. It
    was built up to make the one on the top be in the right hight to be bred by
    a horse. When the one being bred was strapped in, there was a top put on
    above so that the weight of the horse would not be crushing it's lover. My
    legs was strapped in real hard and I could barely move them. My hands was
    holding on to the rails on the opposite side of the vaulting-box. My head
    was facing down into the vaulting-box and my ass was the only thing showing
    to the outside world. Geoff brought the white stallion to the love box. The
    horse sniffed my ass a little and then I could feel his tongue extend and
    lap over my ass once. He made some noises and then Geoff started to rub his
    protruding cock. The horse sniffed my ass once more and then jumped onto
    the vaulting-box. I was now it's mare and it felt wonderful. What happened
    next almost made my heart stop. Geoff took hold of the stallions cock and
    guided it towards my waiting hole. The first fuck-move he made his cockhead
    came in contact with my ass, it felt almost like a fist. The next fuck he
    rammed his cock inside me. It hurt so much I screamed and started to cry. I
    regretted to go along with it. I called for Geoff to abort the "mission"
    and get the cock out of me, but he was unable to. The stallion really took
    ownership of me and all I could do was to be strapped in the way I was and
    let the stallion have his way. Geoff got up in front of me.

    - Are you okay Jonathan?

    - It hurts!!! * sob * please make it end now * sob *

    - I've tried to get the cock out of you but I'm not able to. Hopefully he
    will be done soon. Just hang in there babe. I'll be here with you all the
    way.

    - But it hurts!!!!

    - Shush, babe.

    Geoff moved around the vaulting-box and to the back of stallion. He placed
    his hands on the cock that was pounding my ass to pieces and started to
    jack him off at the same time. It felt like a lifetime, though in actual
    time it was only 5 minutes. Geoff was talking to me all the time, trying to
    calm me down. After about one minute of getting fucked so violently I
    passed out. I don't have any memory of what happened around me, all I could
    feel was my body rocking back and forth hard. I slipped back into
    consciousness from time to time, and each time I came back to life I
    regretted what I was doing. I was however lucky enough to slip back into
    consciousness just before the stallion started to fill me up. He froze to
    the occasion as his cock started to jutter inside me. I was still crying
    from the pain, but also for the relieve that this was finally over. At that
    moment I could feel the first spurt of horse cum spew inside my ass. It
    felt like it was going straight through my body, up trough my throat and
    into my mouth. The second spurt made me aware of that I was only human. I
    could feel the horse cum spew out of my ass as fast as it was cuming into
    me. Geoff got on his knees behind me and placed his hands beneath my
    asshole and gathered up as much cum as he could, brought it to his mouth
    and swallowed it down. Third and fourth spurt made me start laughing. I
    thought I was going insane from all of this. But finally I knew it had come
    to an end. He had one or at the most two spurts left before he was spent,
    then he would disembark from me and I would get my dignity back. There was
    only one more spurt left in his balls. My whole body shook from the fuck
    and the cum flow that I felt inside me. After he had shot his final spurt
    into me, he kept still for about two minutes and then he got of the
    vaulting-box. When he withdrew his big cock from my ass I screamed again,
    he had torn my ass to pieces and I was actually bleeding from my ass. Not
    much, but enough to make Geoff and me freak out. There was no way that we
    could go to the hospital and explain to them that we had been in the woods
    getting fucked by horses. We would most certainly be locked up in a nut
    house. Instead Geoff made me lay still in the contraption for a few minutes
    and then he helped me stand up. My legs were barely holding me upright so
    Geoff held his arm around my waist. When I finally got my strength back in
    my body we slowly moved down to the car. Geoff made me sit in the passenger
    seat and then he went back to the woods and disassembled the vaulting-box,
    brought it with him back and put it in the back of the car. Then we drove
    off home. On the way back we discussed what had happened and the feeling of
    being fucked by an animal. I had been bred by two animals today so I had
    something to compare with. I had made up my mind, horses to suck off and
    dogs to be mounted by. Sure it was an experience to be fucked by a horse,
    but it was too big for me, so to speak. Geoff laughed a little.

    - You will probably change your mind later on again.

    - Well that is something we will have to see about. But I will stick to
    dogs and you for now.

    - I'll always be there for you Jonathan.

    He was always there for me, and he still is. I have never gone back to be
    mounted by dogs, yet, but we still go up there to give them a blowjob now
    and then. But to be mounted, I let that part of sex to Geoff and to the
    dogs that we find.

    The end

  23. Old mandate by alanjstr · · Score: 2
    That second link is to a 1998 news article for something that was supposed to be in effect in 2000. Look how far we've come. The closest we can get to a 'universal' box would be to get a tivo from your cable company. Conceptually, I don't see how this would be bad for the consumer. If you switch cable providers you don't have to return your leased box. Heck, you don't even have to pay a monthly leasing fee because you can buy one for the long haul.

    This will also help push out those interactive features so many people want. Well, someone wants.

    "Nearly 500 government and private-sector groups have toiled on the project since its 1997 inception."

    Obviously the DRM issue has yet to be settled as well.

    1. Re:Old mandate by hormiga · · Score: 1

      The push for standardization and interoperability started at least ten years ago. In the early '90s, one FCC official described a goal that the cable system might be as interoperable as the phone system. Specifically,

      (1) a customer should be able to own his/her cable box (just as you own your telephone); of course, boxes would be sold at the same places other consumer electronic equipment is sold

      (2) you should be able to take your cable box with you when you move, and plug it in anywhere in the U.S., and it should work (just as you can do with telephones)

      (3) subscribing to content should follow the same model as subscribing to long distance telephone service: getting local service from a cable provider shouldn't require you to buy premium channels only from that same provider

      The third idea was obviously terrifying to entrenched interests. It was easy to imagine some national enterprises bundling premium channels at prices that would deprive the cable companies (or phone companies) of much added revenue. In response to other threats and this, lobbyists and PACs spent long and hard. One result was the Telecommunications Reform Act of 1996, which not only protected against real competition but also served to reinforce the telecoms industry as a major political force. (Proving once again that we have the best Congress money can buy...)

      Along with the prospect of competitive service markets for content, came the "dangers" of competition for internet service. Now the internet services battle takes front page; it is all that most politicians can grasp. The larger technical and political issues of the greater network are too complex or arcane to make the news.

      We should not forget the grander vision of competition for all services - not only for content and the internet, but also for connectivity in general.

      It is true that the greater network poses problems (technical and otherwise) than those of the phone system. But the problems are tractable. Just as the phone companies once complained that deregulation was an insurmountable difficulty, now the entrenched interests complain of insurmountable technical and business problems blocking the way to real competition. If things are so difficult for them, perhaps they should not be running the show.

  24. ummm... by cr@ckwhore · · Score: 1

    ...TV-cum-Internet.

    Come again?

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  25. Just follow Europe... by MosesJones · · Score: 2


    I know you have to be different by the European standard body for this stuff has a standard called MHP Have a look which already does all of this stuff. The organisation is called DVB that produces this, most of the rest of the planet has gone with the DVB specs and MHP as a future technology direction.

    If you want everything to be different the go ahead, but wouldn't it be better all round if the box manufacturers could get cost multiples based on a world market rather than just the US, that way the price of the box could be driven even further down. And with an end game of PS3s being set-up as MHP boxes so you buy that and you've got the box.

    OpenCable have taken much of the DVB work and "tweaked" it enough to make it non-standard with DVB because of "differences" in the US market. The reality is that they've done this to keep a closed market rather than face the fact that TV is TV and iTV is just iTV the place where its broadcast is completely immaterial.

    Now if you could just use PAL as well we'd just have the French to convert :-)

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  26. Open standards, please by Autonomous+Coward · · Score: 1

    With free-as-in-speech, not RA(N)D, licensing. Because I want to be able to build my own box that doesn't send all my viewership data back to the Man.

  27. Why worry? by jht · · Score: 4, Funny

    According to my e-mail inbox, I can get all the descramblers I want for any cable system for only $50, anyways!

    And we all know that if an offer comes via e-mail, it must be legit...

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  28. Trojan Horse by Detritus · · Score: 2

    The CEA (Consumer Electronics Association), the trade group for the companies that would build and sell a retail cable STB (set-top box), has repeatedly said that the secret contract terms offered by CableLabs, known as the PHILA (POD-Host Interface License Agreement) are unacceptable. This has stalled the process of making STBs available as a retail product for several years. See the CEA press release. The HRRC (Home Recording Rights Coalition) is also opposed to the PHILA.

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  29. It's being done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In fact, DOCSIS 2 is largely based on MHP.

  30. Inside the Cable Box... by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 2

    Here

    C'mon guys, let's screw 'em like they've screwed us. Any help is appreciated, and I'm equally interested in Scientific Atlanta or Motorola/GI digital cableboxes.

  31. Re:Why Comcast Sucks - Charter too by bay43270 · · Score: 2

    It works this way across the industry. Charter offers three levels of internet service (they call them bronse, silver and gold). I bought their cheapest service for a reasonable price. A couple months later, I got a letter in the mail. The price of my service was going to rise $10 to just under the price of the next level. THAT VERY DAY, I get a phone call from charter - After the changes to the price structure, I can upgrade to the next level for only $5!

    Of course, if I wanted to upgrade, I could have at any time - for the same $15.

  32. Comcast is short for Communist Broadcast by InOverMyFeet · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I used to live in a market where our only choice for cable was Comcast. Year to year, little by little, they kept increasing the cost of basic service. When I moved to a larger city I had a choice between Comcast and two other companies. Needless to say, I didn't go with Comcast. My cable is now cheaper and I get more channels. My service has cable, telephone, and broadband internet all in one package for about $90/month. Before, I was paying almost $40 for basic cable. What a rip off.

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  33. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No because advertisers will realize that Slashdot != Sales!

    Eventually they will stop advertising and this shithole will go down for good.

    (How could they expect to make any money off of people who claim to be using "open source" software, but are really just pirating Windows?)

  34. A 1998 FCC mandate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... which counts for shit now, with son-of-a-general Powell in charge of FCC. Hold in there, maybe in a decade that area of consumers' right will be as advanced as it is in Spain today, where *all* cable and PPV and satellite boxes are interchangeable.

  35. What if EVERY TV had a PCCard (aka PCMCIA) slot? by MrChuck · · Score: 1
    Back in 1978 or so, you needed a cable box. Many TV's had no remote, so it was kinda handy.

    It's now 2002. Most of us don't tune with the TV anymore. Many of us have VCRs or some other tuner in between. Most of us are really tired of figuring out that the VCR (or PVR) must be 'listening' to the cable box to record the premium channels while the TV is watching something else. It's a big PITA. I spend too much time walking mom and her friends through how to set it up because of this stupid box.

    Most of us have laptops or are familiar in some way with PCCards.

    What if EVERY TV tuner had a PCCard (aka PCMCIA) like slot in it? What if there were no cable box? Let the card handle the decoding and all the roles of the big hot cable box. Let me slide the card into my VCR that is really the tuner, let me carry it into that spare TV I keep in the garage when I'm working there - it's not worth a box, but I've moved the box into there.

    Most televisions with tuners (non-"monitors") are capable of tuning in 200+ channels. Yet they are usually locked onto channel 3. The box demodulates the signal then remodulates it - usually with poor quality - to pass it to the TV. The Audio-Out of those boxes generally is limited to a 30dB range - too poor to run into the home ent. system, so I run it out of the demodulator (my VCR).

    Results of a no-box system?

    • Lower costs for cable weasels
    • Better quality for end users
    • Slight increase in costs for various tuners to support (run signal to card and take it back) (start now and it will be commoditized and can be advertised as an advantage)
    • Flexibility for the customer
    • Portability for the customer
    • Easier to program/upgrade for cable provider (need digital, fine - re-flash them or swap them out and do it remotely)
    Make it a standard and it will be cheap and work for your cable, or satellite, etc. No sony-only or comcast-only system. Pins 2&4 take balanced digital in, pins 8 & 12 put it out. A DSP and flash are "magic goes here", and you're done.

    TV industry, are you listening?

  36. Re:What if EVERY TV had a PCCard (aka PCMCIA) slot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    TV industry, are you listening?

    No. Thanks for asking though.

    -- TV industry

  37. Not as bad as you think by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 2

    Well, for one thing "they" are going to have to decide on a conditional access system (the part the encrypts/decrypts the premium content).

    The last time I checked, OpenCable moves the conditional access out of the cable box and into a module called a POD. So if your cable company uses Moto CA they'll give you a Moto POD and if they use SA CA they'll give you that POD.

    1. Re:Not as bad as you think by BrK · · Score: 2

      Sure, that's the way it is supposed to work. When we actually get there is another story...

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  38. A Day late and some Karma short by Mulletproof · · Score: 2

    Gee, it's only what Sony and MS have been attempting to do in earnest lately. Remember? Control of your living room? The all in one box? News? We don't need no stinkin' news!

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  39. if u get it, u can save it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    im sorry ppl, i work as a hardware engineer and any signal that you can get can be recorded, or shared. doesnt matter wut. its all in the specs of each hardware/software device. these last steps are a war cry plea for the media industries to try and save there selfs and wut market they have left. in bout 10 years, ull see wut i mean.