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Is Today's IT an Undervalued Asset?

mwillems asks: "I work in the technology industry, as a CTO. What I have increasingly seen in the last year, both in North America and Europe, is that IT has ceased to be a valid way to spend corporate money. IT spending used to be looked at as a way to gain competitive advantages. Since the .com bust, the arguments I hear everywhere is 'IT has now been proven to be a waste of money'. At many companies it is now easier to get a corporate account at a strip club than a new PC. Or a budget to develop a much-needed corporate app. If any spending is done it is on hardware - at least that is 'real'. Do Slashdot readers recognise that? Are there going to be many techies left ten years from now? What can we do to keep the spirit of innovation alive while this 'IT is bad' era lasts, and how can we make it end? And, how do you prove the value of IT? This is not as simple as it seems. Try it with a spreadsheet: as your typical CTO has to do so, every day." How do you feel about the cost benefits of IT? Is it worth what your company spends on it, especially if the advantages can't be reduced to a simple dollars-and-cents figure?

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  1. The way I see it.. by Xerithane · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most people in the tech industry are going to fade out. Thus, leaving the majority of workers those who have been around before the .com boom. Bigger salaries and more work, instead of the bloated staff in a lot of IT departments that you saw during the .com boom. Personally, I'm glad to see it. I know plenty of people who shouldn't be in the IT field. Luckily, those are the ones finding other professions or reverting to their previous professions.

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    1. Re:The way I see it.. by Xerithane · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Bigger salaries and more work"? Puh-leez!! Since when has the collapse of an industry caused salaries to go up? The whole reason why unqualified people flocked to IT in the first place was the high salaries. The high salaries were the reason why companies pressured the US government to relax immigration controls. Frankly, I think we will see smaller salaries and more work as proprietary programmers struggle to compete with open source.


      Why would people take more pay cuts? I'm in a secured position, for the most part. The only way I can go is up. In 5 years, you better expect me to want a lot more money. The IT field is a high paying field. End of story.

      As for your statement, "Since when has the collapse of an industry caused salaries to go up?" that is full of troll-fodder. First, the industry has no collapsed. It has merely gone on a diet, that was much needed. Since the creation of the Ford automobile, there has been 15,000 failed automobile manufacturers. You think when it was a boom people were getting paid a lot to design cars? Yeah, they were. Then, it started to decline and no automobile designers are again making very good salaries and most of them have been in the business for a very long time. Same thing in the corporate world. And saying that open source software is going to compete with developers is just utter I've-never-worked-in-a-large-company-bull-shit. In the company I work at, 90% of the server software (Excluding Oracle and WebLogic) we use is open source. Same with other companies I've worked at, for the most part. You know what keeps me employed? I know a lot about open source software. I know how to code to it, and expand on tools that are already available to better serve the corporation. That's why I still have a job. Most open source software is not ready to be used in an enterprise environment. However, with a few code modifications, and some clever front end GUI applications, they become very usable. I'll never worry about being put out of a job because of open source software. Purely because you need to have a coder in house to understand it.

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    2. Re:The way I see it.. by diverman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, while I agree that it would be nice to have those that caused the .com bloat, I don't think that things will happen the way you see it... not without other effects.

      I think that one effect of having a bloated industry of underqualified individuals, is that those who ARE qualified are being lost in the shuffle. Many of those that came into the industry because of the money, with business degrees, a few tech courses, and little to no real experience also had one thing going for them... something taught in business schools. That is "Networking". No, not packet or switch networks... but people networking. They cling to people they know, thus needing to rely on their own abilities less. Unfortunately, that "networking" mentality is something that many qualified IT professionals tried to avoid being dragged into.

      I am always trying to keep an eye out for the friends I have that I would really like to see remain in the industry. Not just because they are friends, but because they are the type of professional that I think can contribute positively to the industry, with their experience and their potential.

      So, while I agree that those .com'ers need to go... let's not forget that that shouldn't include people who were validly entering into the industry at that time, regardless of the boom. Many people who were caught up in the mess chose their majors before the boom occured, or before they were aware of such things. They may be a .com generation, but they aren't necessarily the ones that made the Net go to hell.

      So, in conclusion... I know plenty of people who should be in the IT field. Unluckily, many of those are also ones finding other professions.

      Just my $0.02...

      -Alex

    3. Re:The way I see it.. by God!+Awful · · Score: 3, Insightful


      These things go in cycles. If there's enough public disinterest caused by the "tech bust" that university enrollments go down past a certain point, it's only a matter of time before demand once again exceeds supply.

      Theoretically true, but I doubt that argument applies in this case. The industry crashed by such an order of magnitude that there will be ex-tech workers ready to jump on the bandwagon for years. And there are so many more kids growing up with computers these days that it is very unlikely that university enrollment in related fields will wane.

      Remember, certain kinds of tech jobs are difficult, and there's many a person who can't stand being a knowledge worker behind a desk all day, thinking about problems and solving them. If the pay goes too low, interest will be lost disportionately fast, because many kinds of IT jobs simply aren't very fun.

      Oh, I have no doubt that there will be some high-paying sysadmin jobs available in the future, but I don't see many high-paying developer jobs opening up. Much of the most demanding, coolest development will be on free software projects. Adapting an existing app to a specific situation is way less fun (and takes less skill and fewer man-hours) than writing something completely new. Hence, there will be fewer high paying development jobs.

      -a

    4. Re:The way I see it.. by br00tus · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I agree, the ITAA has very consciously been changing laws regarding H1-Bs, FLSA, section 1706 and so forth for years. Most programmers and admins never heard of these laws, ignorance is bliss but they are one reason why wages will decrease, the ITAA was and is changing laws with very little organized resistance from IT workers. Many of them are like the top parent poster, who is happy that positions have dried up and companies are laying people off. They seem to have this idea that there is a skill line which they are on the right side of which protects their salary. This doesn't explain why IT salary surveys for the past two years have shown all salaries coming down - factoring in inflation, it looks even worse.

      Salaries and wages are coming down for a long time, something which was planned by the ITAA (financed by Microsoft, IBM, Intel etc.) who has been spreading millions around Washington for years. In most professional industries - doctors, lawyers, dentists, whatever, you have skilled workers, who work many hours, but who are still concerned enough about the profession to form the AMA, ADA, ABA and so forth. These "super genius" programmers think that economics doesn't effect them. How many dentists say "I'm the best dentist there is, I don't care about what the HMO's are doing"? These people are displaying a lack of professionalism and calling it professionalism. And they always get modded up high.

      Anyhow, these people exist, but the important thing are that people who are more clued in exist. The best thing to do in these dark times where the ITAA is very powerful, and organizations like IEEE are beyond hope are to get into contact with one another (eg. the clued in people talk to one another) and go from there. I think the Programmers Guild is a good organization, and there are some interesting Usenet newsgroups although we probably need one moderated by one of us. Since this directly involves my lifestyle I have put a lot of thought into this, this is not esoteric to me, it is very important as it severely affects my life for years to come. Here is my web page on various IT work things which hopefully will help point people in a positive direction to do something constructive.

    5. Re:The way I see it.. by God!+Awful · · Score: 3, Insightful


      Why would people take more pay cuts?

      Because they will get laid off otherwise? Because unemployed IT guys are willing to work for less?

      I'm in a secured position, for the most part. The only way I can go is up. In 5 years, you better expect me to want a lot more money. The IT field is a high paying field. End of story.

      Wishing *will* make it so. Wishing *will* make it so.

      Since the creation of the Ford automobile, there has been 15,000 failed automobile manufacturers. You think when it was a boom people were getting paid a lot to design cars? Yeah, they were. Then, it started to decline and no automobile designers are again making very good salaries and most of them have been in the business for a very long time.

      I have no knowledge of the car industry with which to dispute your comment. However, you haven't really made any attempt to explain why the industry goes up and down, just that salaries track the market.

      And saying that open source software is going to compete with developers is just utter I've-never-worked-in-a-large-company-bull-shit.

      I work for a large company.

      In the company I work at, 90% of the server software (Excluding Oracle and WebLogic) we use is open source.

      And I work on product that is 90% open source and developed using 100% open source tools.

      Most open source software is not ready to be used in an enterprise environment.

      I disagree. We're not gullible enough to spend $50 per seat (or $1000s in developer-hours) on an improved product when we can get the stock version for free.

      However, with a few code modifications, and some clever front end GUI applications, they become very usable.

      I make some productivity tools and a few people use them, but if it was the kind of thing everyone wanted, it would already be in the free version. Some people want a CLI, others a GUI, others a TUI. You can't please everyone.

      I'll never worry about being put out of a job because of open source software. Purely because you need to have a coder in house to understand it.

      I guess because open documentation isn't particularly glamorous work.

      -a

    6. Re:The way I see it.. by xofty · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Assuming that the current belt-tightening trend in the industry will have long-term effects on budgets and spending practices, there's another effect you may not be anticipating. Namely, while companies as software consumers may in the very short term consider open source over commercial software for their needs where they might have otherwise not, the companies that employe the open source developers are just as likely to stop subsidizing open source development work. Of course, not all open source development is done on company time, but for the most part, the most commercially-viable open source projects have some corporate sponsorship at a minimum in the form of subsidized headcount. The net effect is that we may see a decline in the output (both in terms of productivity and quality) of open source projects. As someone who has purchasing influence across a few companies, I for one am thinking ahead and thinking twice about recommendations for committing to the use of open source software in this current economic environment. Who knows how many open source developers are going to lose employer support for their efforts (assuming they haven't already)? Of course this is a potentially circular discussion w/regards to cause-and-effect. But the point is, one should consider ALL of the ramifications of the current economic climate before jumping to conclusions about the impact on software development, whether commercial or open source...

    7. Re:The way I see it.. by God!+Awful · · Score: 3, Insightful


      Go ahead and lay me off, I know I'm worth more to the company here than not here.

      That's a rather silly attitude. I believe it's called cutting off your nose to spite your face.

      They'd just have to hire someone else in for a couple bucks less an hour who has no clue about the thousands and thousands of lines of code. I'm worth what they pay, end of story.

      That's a rather over-simplistic attitude. Worth can't be quantified in one variable, even if attempts to do so are often the source of political extremism.

      You are worth:

      a) The value of the work you do to your employer.
      b) The cost to your employer to replace you.

      Same thing with everyone else that still has jobs for the most part. If you don't have a job, you weren't worth what they paid for you.

      I am a highly skilled programmer and I still have a job. I know skilled people who got layed off and I know inept people who still have jobs.

      Sorry, it is. Just a fact of life. Always has been, always will be. It's up there with being a doctor.

      The medical profession wasn't always a highly-skilled and highly-paid profession. Doctors used to be real quacks. What makes them a highly-paid profession is the fact that they require a license to operate. That, and their monumentally expensive education, high insurance costs, and penalties against immigration. Programming is not a licensed profession, therefore the same rules do not apply.

      Even before the boom people were making well over $55K a year.

      Before the boom, there wasn't a computer in every household and kids didn't learn to use them in school. Back then, programmers were geeks with some very exclusive knowledge.

      Sorry, but for critical database apps Oracle is the way to go? Why? Simple: Accountability. You don't store $1M a day in transactions in Postgres.

      I fail to see the logic. Don't /. readers complain daily that software providers aren't accountable for bugs? They certainly seemed very vocal about Oracle's misleading "can't break in, can't break it" ad campaign.

      I guess because open documentation isn't particularly glamorous work.

      Which is why I'll always be paid well, and employed. I don't mind.

      You know what... I do mind. I *care* if all the glamourous work becomes free and I can only get paid to do the crufty bits. We had a good thing going and then we went and ruined it. I am lucky in that my job quality was largely unaffected by our shift to open source, but I look at the shitty work some of my co-workers now have to do and it totally depresses me. It is demeaning for a highly skilled programmer to be stuck writing glue code to glue two poorly written, heterogenous open source apps together.

      -a

    8. Re:The way I see it.. by Xerithane · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's a rather silly attitude. I believe it's called cutting off your nose to spite your face.

      Uhm, no, it's called job security. It's not asking for a higher price than what it would cost to replace you with someone cheaper. I can produce more than that person by a significant percentage, and know the software already deployed. There is a small (7K) program that is in production that not many people could understand, much less maintain. It uses some pretty advanced IPC concepts in it, and works very well. That's just one of them, and accounts for less than 10% of the code I've developed here. No noses are being sacrificied.

      I am a highly skilled programmer and I still have a job. I know skilled people who got layed off and I know inept people who still have
      jobs.

      The transition is not finished yet. Barring the company going out of business, if you were selected for a layoff, you were paid too much for that position. End of story. The only time I got laid off, I was one of the last ones to go. I got to watch the doors be closed and locked for the last time. Every inept person in the company was laid off months prior.

      Before the boom, there wasn't a computer in every household and kids didn't learn to use them in school. Back then, programmers were geeks with some very exclusive knowledge.

      I know about exclusive knowledge -- good programmers were, and still are, hard to come by. People can write good code, but don't know how to engineer, that's the difference. I'm not a coder, I solve problems.

      I fail to see the logic. Don't /. readers complain daily that software providers aren't accountable for bugs? They certainly seemed very vocal about Oracle's misleading "can't break in, can't break it" ad campaign.

      Accountability means shit in a courtroom. You get a backend CC providor on an Oracle database experience an Oracle bug that causes them to lose a days worth of transactions that they have to pay for, and you see who gets sued. Remember, you can sue anybody for anything.

      You know what... I do mind. I *care* if all the glamourous work becomes free and I can only get paid to do the crufty bits. We had a good thing going and then we went and ruined it. I am lucky in that my job quality was largely unaffected by our shift to open source, but I look at the shitty work some of my co-workers now have to do and it totally depresses me. It is demeaning for a highly skilled programmer to be stuck writing glue code to glue two poorly written, heterogenous open source apps together.

      Then they should get a different job. Do the work till they find a job that is more suited for their tastes. Jobs are hard to come by, but they are still there. If all they are doing is writing glue code, they could probably go somewhere else and end up making more money, and having more fun.

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    9. Re:The way I see it.. by Radical+Rad · · Score: 3, Insightful
      You know what... I do mind. I *care* if all the glamourous work becomes free and I can only get paid to do the crufty bits. We had a good thing going and then we went and ruined it. I am lucky in that my job quality was largely unaffected by our shift to open source, but I look at the shitty work some of my co-workers now have to do and it totally depresses me. It is demeaning for a highly skilled programmer to be stuck writing glue code to glue two poorly written, heterogenous open source apps together.

      Geez dude, What universe are you living in? Is reinventing the wheel your idea of fun? If your kid asked you to help him build a go-kart, would you start mining ore in your backyard so you could smelt it to cast an engine block? I'll bet that if you were asked to make something for people to do expense reports on, you'd spend 12 months building some bloated VB app instead of using a spreadsheet and being done in 2 or 3 hours. You ought to be thankful that that open source saved your company so much time and money because it probably saved your job from the sound of things.

    10. Re:The way I see it.. by Courageous · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The industry crashed by such an order of magnitude that there will be ex-tech workers ready to jump on the bandwagon for years.

      There's a name for a technical worker who's been out of work for years: "plumber". :) Seriously, though, have you looked at history? There was a tech bubble in the early 90's. When we were hiring, we'd get 50 _qualified_ resumes for just one opening. It was phenomenal. The people we could have hired then were 3 times better than most of the "wanna code Java web pages, dude!" guys that were later the bread and butter of our interviewees.

      Anyway, the ultimate long term consequence of "a computer in every electronic device, home appliance, and automobile" is a lot of computers, dude. Moreover, corporations need automation and still do. Enormous amounts of data pass through corporations.

      C//

  2. Security by HerrGlock · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hopefully the management will realize that having 10 minimum wage types working on their systems is not the way to go. They will then wrap up that money and hire one person who is worth a darn to do network security.

    That is where they need to spend money, not on sub-vice-assistant-coffee-boys in charge of creamer for the network.

    DanH

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  3. No, OVERVALUED by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 5, Insightful
    We have succesfully put to rest the cult of the superstar CEO, now it is time to put to bed the myth/cult of IT.

    Most firms now realize that they can survive another year without upgrading their router or servers, which were either so expenseive originally that they simply must sit in the rack room longer, or are "good enough" even if they aren't the latest model.

    Software is a whole other story. Most companies realize now that upgrades are a scam.

    On top of all of this, many buyers realize that the latest tech will simply make them part of a large beta testing mob, where their old tech is now largely debugged and productive. Certainly MS users understand this.

    1. Re:No, OVERVALUED by daemones · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Timing the jump from version to version, however, is important. Given their way, MS might make getting anything other than the newest version of their software patently impossibly. Legally impossible too, if they can buy enough senators.

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    2. Re:No, OVERVALUED by SpamJunkie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Superstar CEOs haven't gone away! We've just realised that they are more rare than we thought. Look at Steve Jobs, he's a superstar CEO is ever there was one. Gates would be too, if he was still CEO.

      IT is the same. You can't just say it's overvalued. It isn't that simple. Your points that upgrades are a scam simply suggest that commercial software is overvalued. With OSS software you aren't part of the beta testing mob unless you want to, by downloading the unstable branch.

    3. Re:No, OVERVALUED by Otter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, the whole tone of the question is indicative of what you're talking about.

      Can IT be used in to do things that will be productive? Sure! Can IT spending help your bottom line? Definitely. But those gains come from coming up with a good application, not from implementing an XML-based intranet system and having money magically fall out of the sky.

      Asking "What is the value of IT?" reminds me of the admins we always have to deal with who think the fundamental activity here is having a network and computers, and that all those things everyone tries to do with their computers are just irritating distractions from idiot lusers.

    4. Re:No, OVERVALUED by stwrtpj · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My post delves a bit into corporate politics and I'm risking an offtopic mod, but what the hell ...

      Most firms now realize that they can survive another year without upgrading their router or servers, which were either so expenseive originally that they simply must sit in the rack room longer, or are "good enough" even if they aren't the latest model.

      This is a true enough statement, but the problem that I have seen several times in the industry is that some companies take IT cost-cutting to a ridiculous extent. I have worked at two other companies before my present job, and in talking with others that stayed on, in each case the company followed these actions:

      1. Get into a budget crunch
      2. Look for ways to cut budget, finally notice IT budget bloat
      3. Some brilliant manager who is not even in the IT sector says "Why do we even need to keep this in-house? Let's out-source!"
      4. Company outsources IT department
      5. Budget problem solved, managers pat themselves on the back.
      6. Meanwhile, the rest of the company is now stuck with the bozos from the outsourcing company, a contract that went to the lowest bidder, and as they say, you get what you pay for.
      7. Productivity and morale nosedive and the managers never make the connection, instead blaming it on factors that are not even related,and they wonder why people keep leaving the company in droves.

      The point of this is that, yes, some IT budgets are horrendously inflated, but many companies wind up throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Trimming the IT budget intelligently takes time and effort, and a lot of upper management does not want to deal with this. They have a "just get it done" mentality, and get kudos for the money they save each year and not necessarily for making smart decisions about how they got the budget down.

      "You reached your goal of slashing costs by 25%? Excellent! Here's your bonus"

      Meanwhile, it takes the average developer about twice as long to get someone to do something simple like set up a database or add a new user account.

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  4. IT is overrated by adamiis111 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I love working on IT, but let's face it, this is just like any other department in a company. Many of us have seen the total waste of $$$ that an IT manager will sell to the higher ups - sometimes just to work with new technology, etc.. The fact of the matter is that at a typical company, IT budget is not seen with an eye on monetary rewards. That has changed recently. Business rules state that if a secretary does something well for 30k a year, don't spend 200k to eliminate his/her position as it is not cost effective (even 100k is too much because it probably doesn't include maintence costs and the cost of changing business rules (which is much more expensive for software than a secretary)).

  5. Innovation? by kin_korn_karn · · Score: 5, Insightful
    What can we do to keep the spirit of innovation alive while this 'IT is bad' era lasts


    This is easy - innovate. Don't just buy new hardware and upgrade software, do something that IMPROVES life at the office. There's more to IT than scalable switches and making sure that you can ping the server. Come up with new applications of the technology and make yourselves valuable.

    Create your own value, the rest of us have to do it.
  6. Cause and Effect by Fehson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is the outcome of the insane IT boom of the 90's. I see many companies that purchased false promises and have nothing to show for it now. The company I work for has boxes full of software from various vendors. Most of which doesn't do what it claims, or does it so poorly its not worth running.

    I don't think the attitude we're seeing the the death of IT, rather the maturing of it. There is now a need to justify purchases. The "we need it cause it's cool" attitude is long gone. People now look at a product and say, how will this help me.

    Innovation hasn't slowed down, false promises are no longer considered innovation. I can envision the next few years to be some of the most innovative we've seen in quite a while. The smoke is cleared and the mirrors are gone, tis time to do real work.

  7. First, justify it by NOT spending by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Unfortunately, it takes time to use the following strategy, but it might help to lose that battle a few times and watch as things go badly. Document everything, including the (negative, or less-than-maximum-positive) monetary impact.

    When it comes time to fight for financial resources for IT projects, point to the costs of NOT spending money on them and have the concrete history to back you up.

    Ultimately it's like answering the question "what happens if we don't buy any more pens?" . The everyday person will obviously say: "You'll have a problem getting work done eventually because you'll be out of pens", but it may be harder to make a CFO understand that the same applies to IT spending.

  8. New PC's by captain_craptacular · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This may not be a popular opinion but I really don't think the majority of corporate users NEED a new pc very ofter. I'm a full time software developer and I'm perfectly happy with my "ancient" PII 400... Granted there are always exceptions to the rule, but for the most part I think new PC purchases should be scrutinized.

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    1. Re:New PC's by sbedrick · · Score: 2, Insightful
      In my experience, it's often better to give secretaries anything they want... I work in academia, and if the departmental secretaries aren't happy, nobody's happy. Also, happy secretaries are productive secretaries. I used to work in industry, and it was the same story there.

      If, by spending a couple of thousand dollars, you can make your department's secretary happy (not to mention the number of karma points you'll earn with him or her), it's so worth it.

  9. The Mighty Pendulum by sterno · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The late 90's: All Tech Spending is Good
    The early 00's: All Tech Spending is Bad

    It's oversimplistic reactions to the problems that came from tech spending in the 90's. Many people were creating products that were full of pizazz that didn't work for crap and people bought them because they thought technology was their salvation. Well guess what, technology isn't a magic pill, and anybody who claims ANYTHING is a magic pill should be taken out back and shot.

    So now today, everybody is gun shy and overcautious. A company gets burned in the 90's converting their billing system to some flaky electronic system that has cost more money to keep together than your old system. Today they get the choice of buying yet another new system, taking the same risks again, or sticking with the known quantity. At this point, with money tight, few are willing to take that risk to get it right the second time because they can't afford to get burned this time.

    Over the next few years as a recovery slowly works its way into the system, some people will feel that they can take some risks again. Those flaky systems will have long since been purged from the software gene pool and there will be good products that people will be able to trust. We'll actually begin to see those efficiency gains that were supposed to happen during the 90's hype and the world of IT will be back in business.

    Until then, batton down the hatches and hang on tight :)

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  10. The legacy of the MCSE by gruntvald · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I have yet to meet an MCSE who has even moderate product knowledge of Windows and related technologies. Companies are afraid to do much of anything other than hemorage into the MS license fund now - and that's simply in the desperate hope that maybe one day their systems will keep going for long enough to get something done. Corporate IT customers have been shovel fed garbage for so many years now, that few would even be prepared to believe that IT can a) pay for itself, b) be productive.

  11. IT is OUT by godemon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Lets face it, the networks are in place, the companies have a computer (no matter how old) on every desk, and they've already run their network lines throughout - and if they haven't yet, then they aren't going to.

    They age of innovation and upgrading is over, the workers of IT have built a solid IT foundation, and now that it's constructed, budget is cut to simple maintenance. Of course the IT dept isn't disapearing, it's just no longer expanding.

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  12. Self-importance of IT? by Mononoke · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Just a theory:

    Could it be that management has finally caught on to the trick of buying hardware and software that requires constant expert maintenance? As an IT dept. head, wouldn't you rather buy stuff that you know would keep those under you busy and employed? You sure wouldn't want to be the one that made the decision to buy hardware/software that made the IT dept. unneeded.

    (I'm not saying this happens often, but it does happen. Ever had to try to convince some MSCE to let you buy the right tool for the job, instead of the electronic version of the spork?)

    Unfortunately, thanks to M$ licensing schemes, hardware that's outdated 3 minutes after the box is opened, hardware that is underdesigned and runs hot, vulnerable software, etc., IT is a money pit. This especially true in those organizations where some PHB just has to have the latest/greatest as determined by some marketing wiz.

    It's a pendulum that has swung way to far one way, and will swing far the other way. Hopefully it will settle in a comfortable position soon.

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  13. Nice question by daviskw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    IT is a value added resource in most companies but, sadly, in most companies it really doesn't directly contribute to the bottom line of profits vs. losses. IT's value is in making the employees lives easier without intruding on the day to day operations of the company. This tends to a be a cyclical trend based on two factors. The first is arrogance and the second is repentance.

    The arrogance factor is what drove IT spending a couple of years ago. In essence, it is drawn from the idea that for the vast majority of corporate America IT organizations have tended to view themselves as being "The Reason for all Existance." CIOs, and the organizations they represent, develop an over exagerated opinion of their place in the world. The inevitable happens when the CEO realizes that spending a third of the total corporate budget on new computers still means he has to use Microsoft Office.

    The repentance factor happens when after the arrogance factor has disappated and IT spending has flushed itself down the toilet. Computers start breaking and the two guys who program in COLBOL either retired or died. The peasants rise up in arms and the CEO takes notice, realizing that just maybe he needs to up the dollar count before he drives his company out of business.

    These two cycles make up the Hebrew Cycle of Corporate Management, or HCCM for short. This is named after the relationship that God's chosen people have developed with God.

    In a couple of years, when processes start breaking and computers get older causing more downtime than otherwise necessary the trend will turn around.

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  14. Will remain so by jag164 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Fortunately (unfortunaely for some) this will be the trend for a few more years while the untalented IT workers fade away. Before the boom, IT and IS had qualified workers. Then the web took off and my grandmother became a VB programmer b/c she's one of a few americans who can program her VCR. This led to calling HTML monkeys 'programmers'. Then the era of dot bombs and an increase in failed IT/IS projects came along.

    Of course companies are tenative on dumping money into IT becuase the money still has a better chance winding up in /dev/null then it does being productive. Basically the same reason why the majority of americans are afraid to invest money in the market today.

    A few more years when the unqualified IT/IS staff go back to ringing up Big Macs(tm), faith in IT/IS will return to normal. In the mean time, if you are good, just hang on and and do your best.

    Also, as we get a few years older, more and more people (employers, co-workers, and ourselves) will understand the role of IT and our field will be better defined...thus better 'trusted'.

  15. IT Needs weeding by corwinss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are many problems that have erupted in IT since the .com boom. These may or may not have been around before, but they are definitely known now.

    One of the biggest problems I see is that there are many managers of IT departments who are just that - managers. Think of the pointy-haired boss in Dilbert. Just because someone is a manager doesn't mean they know the first thing about IT. I'm not advocating the promotion of your average IT nerd in place of them, but there are always a few people who have both management skills and IT knowledge. A good manager passes things off to the big bosses as good ideas. If he (or she) understands what he's working on, then they will probably be good ideas. If he doesn't, then they will be things that look good on paper and get him more funding. Nevermind that it makes the people below him aggrivated. It makes him look good, and gives him more money to spend on his desktop toys.
    I have seen this problem in action. It's always fun to get a blank look when you try and explain the simplest of tasks to these people. It's like trying to explain matrix algebra to a 3rd grader, only with less chance of success.

    Another problem I've seen is that, in the name of saving money, people buy inferior products. Some manufacturers are more reliable than others. Before ordering 100 systems from a company because its "cheap", it might be a good idea to order 5 of them and test them for a month or two, and see how well they perform. Maybe even order 5 from another company to compare them to. Also, ask the people who regularly maintain the ystems which kind of systems they have the most problems with. It might be a good idea to get their advice on who to order systems from. Then you will avoid problems like the one I have seen recently, which involves losing more than 1 computer a week to hardware failure. These computers are not even a year old, and still under warranty, but it still causes problems when you have 4 more break before the first warranty part gets there.

    Hopefully, the cutting of funding to IT departments will drive off people who are "in it for the money", like these managers without IT skills, and also will cause people to take more care when selecting computers.

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  16. No, Undervalued by ergo98 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One mistake that people often make when looking at industry is presuming that there is some "stopping point" at which the company has been tech enabled: How utterly insane. Business is competition, and if you're in a billion dollar field and spending $20 million on a new database system will allow you to proactively respond to your customers quicker, gaining more marketshare, then it's likely worth it. If you got replaced a database server with a new, super hyper database server that gives you a CRM system that allows you to capitalize on every call, and keep customer satisfaction at its pinnacle, then not only is it a good investment, competitively it is likely crucial for you to survive as a company. There are countless examples like this where competition is the driving force behind technology: Sure, righteously deride technology in a luddite fashion, but remember your words fondly when you're in the unemployment line.

    Economic slowdowns cause a cessation in spending, and the reality is that often the spending reduction turns out to be disasterous for those companies that fall behind.

  17. Darwinism, IT-style by Spencerian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This was going to happen since nothing can stay badly broken forever, not even Microsoft Windows.

    The success of IT rested on three assumptions:

    1) The Internet was a cash cow that needed only to be milked.
    2) Microsoft Windows was the key to all things in the computer world.
    3) IT staffing is always needed to service the legions of PCs in business.

    But each of these failed to pan out for logical reasons. The Internet was a cash strategy, but was abused by stupid people placing money into businesses without a business plan and no real product--dot-coms. Bye-bye, they said to their money. Screwed up the stock market, that.

    Microsoft Windows was indeed the way to all things computer-related, from apps to training. And quite a few businesses contracted with "kitchen-sink" computer service companies who could buy, service, or administrate all kinds of PCs (unless you're Mac OS or Linux--that's another sad story in most locations). And training would guarantee most everyone with certification the chance to submit their resumes.

    But this business was based on the fact that Microsoft Windows was ALWAYS in need of maintenance and companies would ALWAYS upgrade their systems for the "latest and greatest."

    Enter Windows 2000--the first Windows OS whose stability and performance claims were justified. Microsoft built this OS with greater strengths as word spread of a newcomer that was free and just as stable: Linux.

    As budgets tightened, managers again asked the budget questions, but weren't accepting the usual answers. "Why do we need to upgrade?" IT managers were able to answer firmly in the past that these upgrades would improve performance, or administration. But managers knew, now, from personal experience that their computer running Windows 98 or 2000 was just fine, and didn't want their copies of Office 2000 messed with for now.

    As the IT monies dried up, IT managers (and contractor companies) tightened their belts and downsized, kicking out some experienced techs but quite a few inexperienced (but certified!) techs to the curb. Windows didn't need armies to support any longer. Servers didn't either--a few new technologies consolidated some sysadmin functions.

    And now we're back to the availability of techs and sysadmins with real experience, talent, and diversity. You could be a Windows NT admin, but you may also know Linux. No longer was there room for "computer religion." You might do Mac desktops, but also know PC desktops. It's a screwy kind of Darwinism (no pun intended for the OS X folks), but the competition between the stable UNIX operating systems vs. all things Microsoft have brought a new (or rediscovered?) dawn to the personal computing world: the generally stable computer.

    Are techs still needed? Sure. However, if all you have are a bunch of certification certificates beyond you and little experience, those papers and 50 cents are probably worth a cup of coffee at McDonalds.

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  18. Re:From my point of view... by NineNine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What about all of the power to power your precious machines? You ever thought about that? I'd guess that 80% of all companies today could *get by* without a computer system, just as they did years and years ago. I'd guess that 0% could get by without power. Yet, you don't hear the electrical engineers saying "I bet they'd appreciate me if I shut down this transformer". Please. Grow up.

  19. Re:you want the truth? by ocbwilg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    how can you justify paying a HS graduate with a "certification" that tells people to reboot their machine as a fix for everything souble what you would pay a marketing person with a college degree?

    I assume that's "double" and not "souble". At any rate, marketing people are a dime a dozen. Good IT people are not. If your marketing person is a fuckup, they blow an ad campaign and lose their job. If an IT person is a fuckup, your web server doesn't work (resulting in the failure of your marketing campaign), your payroll and accounting system goes down, your supply chain stops running, and someone hacks into your system and steals trade secrets. So it's a considerably more important job working in IT than in marketing.

    Honestly, your diatribe about a high school grad with a cert and the reboot solution sounds like it came out of the mouth of a marketing employee who feels like they're underpaid and has no idea what is involved in keeping systems running. Or it may just be that your company has a fuckup working in IT, in which case he'll be found out and eventually canned. But your post really does sound like a case of sour grapes.

  20. Hype, but not. by elocutio · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Where IT fails is when people start throwing around the pie-in-the-sky goals of "creating new marketplaces" and believing in the myth of "cyberspace" without having a mature plan before rolling out "the next new thing."

    Let's face it--marketers love hype. They love those guru types who can jingle little bottles of snake-oil technobabble, producing a glassy hypnosis in the eyes of the corporate decision-makers. All the marketers hear is the sound of the till bell. Ch-ching. Unfortunately, some of us closet geeks really like the attention, and we can get caught up in the hype, too.

    Maybe I'm cynical, and maybe my view is pretty short-sighted. But I think that information technology simply exists to cause an efficiency of the information infrastructure of an enterprise. Therefore, one can reasonably conclude that the "value" of IT is proportional to some factor of the company's value and the worth they place on their data. IT is more immediately important to a banker than it would be to a construction worker. Or better yet, IT serves a great purpose to the librarian, but could go totally unnoticed by the bakery chef.

    That's one of the failures of the dot-coms--failure to realize the spurious and fickle expectations of the at-large consumer. Aside from not being able to create the consumer experience of a traditional storefront, the virtual world couldn't fully engage the consumer's confidence and euphoria. A quick personal testimony: I love to buy on impulse. It's a great feeling. However, I never bought on impulse when shopping online, which I do a great deal. Multiply my experience by whatever factor that you think is relevant, and that is the rate of growth that the dot-com world never matured enough to reach.

    I hope that the lesson learned from recent years is that no product "just sells itself." The success of the IT factor of a company is going to be only as success of the enterprise that surrounds it. This means that it takes more than just knowledgeable engineers to make the thing fly; the executives have to be knowledgeable and make informed decisions. And they have to spend money. A lot of money.

    A successful IT infrastructure is probably more valuable than its assets. A very efficient, mission-critical system like the one that runs the trading floor on NYSE is probably much more valuable than the assets/manpower that it took to create it. However, take that same scenario and make the IT solution very inefficient. In fact, make it somehow less efficient than the pencil-pushing system that it replaced. Suddenly, the value plummets from "invaluable" to "worthless."

    There were many immature IT strategies in the last decade, and they failed to succeed. Hopefully, the successful IT stories will last long enough to convince another group of hypnotized executives to buy a bottle of snake-oil.

  21. IT is important by jschank · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I understand that it is hard to prove the value of IT departments, but that is because you have to show , somehow, all of the bad things that DIDN'T happen because IT was on the ball. So to that extent it seems me to be a lot like insurance. How do you justify the cost for fire insurance if there isn't a fire?

  22. IT Undervalued? by 4of12 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Only at some companies.

    I'm guessing that some of the big decision makers got burned by some bad decisions during the heyday of the .com boom.

    You have to admit they have a point. They were sold on something which

    • they know absolutely nothing about (have an MBA, not an BS CS)
    • which turned out to be a dud.
    Why should they believe the next hyped up set of buzzwords coming from the IT community? (Certainly they should be skeptical of the same vendors that sold them that previous pig in a poke, whoever they happen to be - hopefully not you!)

    So first dispel any illusions that every new buzzword technology is a good thing.

    Also, gain some credibility with those skeptics by validating their skepticism where it was well-founded. Yes, we sunk thousands of dollars into that supposed cure-all and it was nothing but headaches. It was mistake and you're right to call it a mistake. But also point out where things went right, or perhaps unexpectedly right (eg, Joe put in an open source proxy server that was the bees knees.)

    If a vendor comes painting a picture, demand references to current users, and then dig down to the worker bee level in that organization to see if things really are working. Why dig? There's probably plenty of upper level folks in the showcase example company that want to look as if they made a good decision to go with vendor Y and technology Z. The CIO doesn't want to look bad to the other C level people, so definitely dig down. I can't tell you how much money has been poured down holes as a result of an uninformed decision coming down from on high, where there is too much insulation from everyday reality of things like hung servers.

    You need to back things up with solid arguments showing non-IT folks how introducing some technology helps their business' bottom line.

    A worthy competitor that has implemented technology X where you can show it has had a beneficial effect is one good argument. Another argument is a detailed analysis of a small low-budget prototype roll-out: eg, we created an XML based mechanism for tech-friendly Salesman Fred to access the manufacturing database so he could know how much leadtime to let a customer know he could expect. Etc.

    In the big overall scheme of things I've heard an argument made, and I believe most of it, that the unexpected growth in productivity over the past 15 years or so has been largely due to the adoption of IT. (Some growth is due to improved business processes, but I would argue that many of those processes wouldn't be possible 20 years ago given the technology of that day.) If you believe that, then stopping all further investment in IT will likely lead to a stagnation in productivity growth and profitability.

    Nothing's ever that simple, of course, and there's no iron-clad arguments for adopting new technologies. There's risk, no two ways about it. But taking the risk earlier than others leads to more substantial rewards, if you can afford the investment.

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  23. it spending by psin+psycle · · Score: 5, Insightful
    There are two types of IT spending.
    1. Infrastructure Maintenance and Development.

      This one is pretty obvious - you have an IT network, you have to keep it running. You have existing software that is providing some sort of value, you must keep it running. Maintenance means replacing broken/failing equipment, it does not mean constantly upgrading to the latest gadgets. This type of IT spending is currently way to high. NT4.0 is good enough. Office 97 is good enough. There is no compelling need to upgrade to newer versions. When we upgraded from office 95 to office 2000 the only reason to upgrade was because of the compatibility issues. And this only affected about 1% of the office! This is not money well spent.

    2. Re engineering Processes

      This is a bit more complicated. Actually it's a lot more complicated. Most businesses have been doing things one way since the beginning of time. When asked why they do something the answer is usually "that's how we've always done it."

      Spend a few days looking around your corporation. Maybe you can apprentice with some of the Secretaries/Assistances for a few days. Learn their processes. Find out why they do things... question everything and look for redundancies. It probably won't take you long to find cases where people are re-keying information that has already been in the PC once. This type of work adds no value - if there is a significant amount of time spent doing this you can easily build a case to correct this. Start a project to extract the data from its original home, put it in a format that your clients will be able to use. These are the easy projects to get approval for - low political risk, high pay out.

      Another way to find potential IT projects is to spend some time trying to trace processes from the original entry into the company, to the final delivery to the customer. Create a complete processes map. Find out what the original input is, and what the eventual output is supposed to be. As an outsider you should be able to look at the process and see major areas that could be improved. Anything that doesn't add value to the final product (in the eyes of the customer) probably does not need to be done.

      Focus on areas where a customer request passes between many different people before it is filled. There are usually ways to improve or eliminate hand off time. Possibly there are many 'specialists' involved in a process when really they need one generalist and an expert system. These types of projects are difficult because many business units will need to cooperate to accomplish an improvement - but at the same time this is where the highest return can be.

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  24. Lazy in-house IT development groups by Nonesuch · · Score: 3, Insightful
    A major gripe I have seen at a number of large corporations is that the in-house "IT" groups (web development, server administration, software engineering,etc) become:
    1. Greedy.
    2. Lazy.
    3. Incompetent.
    Greedy. I constantly see internal web development groups quote even a tiny, simple web site as dozens of hours and thousands of dollars, a price that would have been outrageous even in the pre dot-bomb days. Then they have the never to say "Why do you care how much we bill? It's all internal chargebacks, so it's really just 'play money'!"

    Lazy. All too often, in order to complete a project on time, I end up building and maintaining my own servers instead of handing off server installs and maintenance to the in-house "server management group". Why should the internal sysadmins be pro-active when there is no penalty for slow response time, no competition for customers, and when they know that by doing nothing, the most demanding customers will eventually just go away and solve their own problems?

    Incompetent. As firms cut down on staff and cut out the perks, their most qualified web developers and sysadmins are recruited by headhunters or flee to better, more stable positions as each round of downsizing takes it's toll on morale. In the end, with very few exceptions, the only staff who remain are those not talented enough (or too apathetic) to move on to a better job.

    In my experience, in many larger organizations, IT staff might once have been an undervalued asset, but in the past year, most of the valuable staff have fled for greener pastures.

  25. IT down, back to basics: just code stupid by bwt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "IT" always represented this flashy thing where the company was paying a bazillion dollars to move everything to platform X with some flashy vendor and new "in" technology. This type of IT is dead. It's dead because people started to see it as an end in iteself, and somebody finally asked "where's the bang for the buck in our core business operations?"

    I've always felt that simply polishing the hell out of your internal apps is the best way to spend money on IT. It's pretty easy in most business system to find ways to take business functions that take a minute or two but are done by several hundred / thousand people a day (or more) and reduce them by 50-90% time-wise. If those take a month or two each of programmer time, that is big-time ROI.

    Lets say the programmer makes double what the typical business process user costs. If it takes the programmer two months to do a project and the net result is that a business function/transaction occurring 480 times a day is cut from 90 seconds to 30 seconds, then the project pays for itself in four months. That kind of work isn't sexy, but it sure does pay for itself, especially when departments can delay hiring more people because their existing folks are more productive.

    There are a lot of crappy apps out there that waste user/customer time, especially because IT managers were hell-bent to shove new apps out so they could claim victory in the time-to-delivery game. The whole IT industry needs to step back and focus back on the end user experience and business fundamentals: eliminate waste in core business processes.

  26. "Innovation" is the problem by Infonaut · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Here's why: The desire to "innovate" purely for the sake of innovation is something that all geeks innately love. It's not something that everyone else innately loves. In fact, "innovation" often gets in the way of business, because the actual human beings who have to make use of the innovative new systems have enough to pack into their work day already.

    IT has a reputation in corporate America as the most unresponsive and least human-centered department in any organization. Here are the stereotypes I've encountered:

    1) IT people are more interested in their machines than in helping me do my job.

    2) IT people have no understanding of what I do on a daily basis.

    3) IT people are penny-wise and pound foolish. They won't pay $200 so I can have a Zip drive that will allow me to take my work home, but they'll spend $1.5M on a VPN that will take a year and a half to implement and won't work properly when finished.

    I've been on both sides of the fence, serving as IT support and being one of those people griping at poor IT support. It seems to me that if more IT departments thought of themselves as enablers rather than as an end to themselves, they'd receive much more respect.

    Want to see a good example of how it works in a good support organization (and IT is always support)? Go to your nearest Air Force base and talk to the pilots and crew chiefs. Sure, the pilots get all the glory, because missions are oriented around flying the aircraft and hitting the target. But the crew chiefs are given tremendous respect, because they are responsible for making sure the aircraft fly properly. They understand and take pride in their role.

    Many IT folks seem to have the opinion that they're smarter than the people they serve. They may be smarter, but that doesn't change the fact that people above them in the organization have to make the truly difficult decisions about hiring and firing, where to spend money, how to stay competitive, and so on. It's not that IT decisions aren't difficult, but in any organization, the more important the decisions you make, the bigger your salary.

    If more IT departments realized that they actually are part of a larger team supporting the same goal, and took off their wizard's hats, they might find a lot more acceptance on a human level.

    That's where IT folks commonly fall flat on their faces. They don't realize that business people make decisions based almost exclusively on human factors, only secondarily on money, and a distant third on technical factors.

    IT departments that grasp the human factors, take care of the other people in the company, and bend over backwards to help people go about their daily tasks are far more likely to get the money they need to conduct glamorous "innovative" projects.

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  27. Management, Operators and Administrators by Kowh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Consider this possible scenario:

    Optimally at company X, IT is made up of many "Operators", few "Administrators", and even fewer in "Management". Operators handle the Help Desk, the new user setup and other day-to-day repetitive low-key issues. Administrators handle the larger issues as well extend and improve the various services IT provides. Management (for simplicity, this includes "administrative assistants") manages all the paperwork, inter-group company communication, etc.

    Instead, at company X, there aren't enough and/or properly trained operators working as operators, too many operators acting as administrators, the few administrators overworked and management merely creating more things to manage and causing the administrators to also perform management duties. Generally, pretty much making it impossible for Company X's IT group to be cost-efficient (or even helpful to users).

    When company X was swimming in money, they got along by throwing more money at any IT problems. Hiring more operators, paying expensive consultants (who recommend what the administrators proposes, or worse, recommend a white elephant solution) and buying software and hardware based largely on which vendors played golf with the upper management of IT.

    Now that they are no longer awash in money to throw at problems, they have to cut back. Cut back on management? Of course not. Consultants? University buddies and management doesn't trust the opinions of the experienced administrators. Use better vendors? And face him on the golf course this weekend? A lot of the "fat" is valued more than the "muscle" by the management and so when it's time to make the company leaner, they end up with little muscle supporting lots of fat. The remaining muscle ends up overworked and generally not skilled enough to handle a lot of the work assigned to it. To push the body analogy further, this generally only leads to three outcomes. Optimally, the management "Gets it" and the system is strengthened and made more efficient, or the company continues to work with IT on life-support or enough functions fail that the company goes under.

    Luckily where I work is far from having a "heart attack" as it were, but I suspect that at too many other companies the situation is closer to "Company X" and that most problems are largely the fault of mismanagement (including problems of incompetance on the part of operators, as management hired them in the first place). Find and give more authority to management that "Gets it", and you'll likely find the "IT problem" will solve itself.

  28. Metrics? by Neumann · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Interesting point missing from the story is the response to the statement "'IT has now been proven to be a waste of money'".

    Wouldnt this be a good time to whip out your spreadsheet telling how much you saved the company because you implemented a custom built app that filled a need the users had. Dont have one? Gee, what is your justification for building those apps then? Where is the business case? Where is the follow up to the business case that tracks the amount you have spent on the app in comparison to what you were spending doing it manually? Dont have either of those figures? Maybe you should start getting them.

  29. Am I the only person tired of the term "IT"? by Ross+Finlayson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can't recall anyone referring to "IT" prior to about 1990. This term seems to be a fad that sprouted up sometime in the '90s - but now people are acting as if it's an established term that's been around forever.

  30. Re:you want the truth? by nscally · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I want to clarify that what you are referring to is 'desktop support' and not all of IT. When you hit send on an email and it magically goes where you want, and when you don't have to worry when the electrician fries your computer because all your important files are on the server where they are backed up, and and and....
    Most of what IT is is NOT visible to the user. So when you ask what your IT budget is paying for, think of what you use your office pc for. Take that pc away, take email away, take your failsafe backups and your virus protection and software updates and everything that you take for granted will be there in the morning, and you will have a business that can't communicate with anyone.

  31. IT inflation by starX · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One of the reasons for this bust is that people were spending money on IT stupidly. I'm sure we all know a few people who have insisted that they need a new computer because their old pentium is "impairing their productivity" when all they really do is word process. And let us not forget this sub-moronic idea that just because M$ comes out with a new version of office, you need to have it in order to keep up. The result is that companies have way more features in house than they can typically use, which translates into wated money.

    Now tell me who out there is naive enough to think that the people running the show are sdmart enough to learn that IT is a worthwhile investment as long as it is well thought out and carefully implimented? Reactionary attitudes tends to be the norm in just about everything everywhere. Right now the pendulum is in the process of swinging back towards a cut corners mentality, which is good to a certain degree.

    "We can't install the latest release of Windows/Office on our old k6-2? Why can't we just use the old version?" That's intelligent thought, and as techs, it should be up to us to answer that question. I truly believe there will come a time when we are no longer in a recssion, and invester confidence has returned, and when that time comes, the people who approve budgets might be willing to listen to and consider your answers.

    Until that time comes, you're just going to have to accentuate the negative. If you need to develop some app, but there is no budget, then make sure you accurately predict how, in the long run, not devbeloping it will actually cost your company money. When enough techs are proved right often enough, then the pendulum will start to swing back the other way, of course this gives us all an even mightier responsibility; to learn from the lessons of the past 6 years and NOT try to solve every problem with something newer and "better."

  32. It's the users by sneakerfish · · Score: 2, Insightful

    IT still has value, but only as infrastructure for now. The B2B and ERP bread and butter (or was it pie in the sky) days will subside for a while.

    But pull a wire on a laser printer and watch them jump for the IT support guy. Do they get out the old Selectric and carbon copy? Heck no. They're lost without Word and that HP5 pumpiing out copy.

    What if the phone and voicemail system breaks? Do people get out the backup carrier pigeons? Bullhorns? Interoffice mail? Probably not.

    These are just the technologies that the end users have figured out how to use. The flashy powerpoint demonstrations on all that whiz bang, expensive stuff looked good, and promissed a lot but the end users could not actually use the product.

    They will catch up, someday, eventually. I hope...
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  33. Effective Management by asreal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What IT needs is honest, effective, and knowledgable management.

    If Jane has no reason to be communicating with the outside world, do not give Jane access to anything outside the Intranet. Jane will still be able to collaborate on projects and use the corporate network, but she will spend less time posting on Slashdot and sending personal email. Jane may "waste" just as much time by talking to co-workers, but co-workers who are friendly and know each other well are better team players.

    If Bob's job is to write reports, his PIII-500 will do the job. Jim needs to do graphic design, so he gets a new PC, while Bob sticks with his old one, or gets Jim's hand-me-down.

    Harry the office temp probably doesn't need a computer at all. Don't give him one.

    Unfortunately, managers are not always as knowledgable about their IT as they should be. There is a lot of money to be made in the IT consulting field just by being honest and not telling managers they need more than they really do.

  34. Harder to compete with Out-Of-The-Box Stuff by parabyte · · Score: 3, Insightful
    In early times, you had to make your own PCB design for your machine, solder it together, write your own kernel, write some Libraries and and put together almost any app within a reasonable time.

    In the late eigthies, you still had to write almost every application if you required something like a workflow and wanted the system to be used by mere mortals.

    Today, one person alone can set up an integrated office system with document management, customer database, accounting, reporting, E-mail access, firewalls, printing, backup, telephone integration, banking, video and audio editing, ftp and webserver, dns, dhcp, wavelan, gigabit backbone, raids, computing clusters and mobile vpn access within weeks, and several hundredthousand apps are available for free or very little money. You can easyly afford a database software or an office-suite worth a few hundred million dollars of develepment effort, and get even millions of man -months delivered on a $50 Linux Distribution, including the source code. Or if you buy a Mac or a PC today, you can actually do useful things without even installing additional software - remember, what you could do with an AppleII out of the Box ?

    So today, if you want to roll your own stuff, or even spend a few days on improving your customer database access, you need many thousand customers to justify even using a real database instead of MS Outlook contacts or a simple spreadsheet.

    Trying to build a new 3D-Engine, a Web-Browser, a database engine or a new GUI library is almost insane from a business point of view, so the deeper you descend into the swamps of IT-Development, the better your justification has to be for shelving out that money and taking the risk of failure.

    I try to ride Moore's law and aim for something unique that does not exist so far because it was impossible or too hard to do in the past. I try to stay current by spending a lot of time hands on new technology, and I steadyly improve my and my team's knowledge and skills, but I admit: it is increasingly harder to find and exploit those niches where you have both: Fun and Profit.

    OTOH, there will always be the Linus way: Build something for the sheer fun and knowledge, and the worst case is that you are happier and smarter afterwards.

    And if you don't mind to listen to someone who has been around for a while and covered some distance: Never do things for the only purpose of profit. It will minimize your chances, but even if you succeed, you will not be any happier than today. And probably have fewer friends.

    parabyte

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    Without order, nothing can exist. Without chaos, nothing can be created.
  35. Re:I blame the geeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can't....Resist.......Flamebait.......

    People who think they can show up to work dressed in a suit and tie, and people will respect them whether they know their ass from their elbow?

    You must be in marketing... :)

  36. Blame Microsoft? by Alien54 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Let's Look at the facts;
    • Microsoft,at least according to their on PR, Is the way that IT should be run.
    • Microsoft has dominance, especially in large corporations.
    • Much of the way MS software runs requires extra personel to program and to make the best use of it's capabilities.
    • Corporations are seeing that IT is a inefficient use of resources, and so that IT is a waste of TIME

    The obvious conclusion is that it, Microsoft, is the root cause of the problem, because the things that corporations are complaining about are in fact characteristics of Microsoft Products.

    Microsoft products are used through out the industry, and are the standard. Are they not? Whose software is left to blame?

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    "It is a greater offense to steal men's labor, than their clothes"
  37. I see stupid people - lots of 'em. by buss_error · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Since the .com bust, the arguments I hear everywhere is 'IT has now been proven to be a waste of money'

    If this were true, please explain:

    why we are using word processors instead of typewriters or movable type presses.

    Why spread sheets are needed? We could use register paper instead of an expensive computer.

    Index cards are cheaper than databases. Lets go pull the plug on that expensive DB server.

    Customers and vendors don't really need to do stuff with our web site, they can call in to our customer service lines. Oh, we'll need more bodies in customer service...

    Who needs e-mail. Snail mail is fine for what we do...

    Why should we search the web for the best prices, just order catalogs once a year and go to the public library more often to do research.

    Now that we've deflated the hype around computers, lets talk about telephones, fax machines, pagers, and cell phones, and why we don't need them anymore.

    After that, if they back off, then ask a simple easy question: Do you think any of that stuff runs itself?

    Seriously, if anyone said that IT has been proven to be a waste of money, I'd look for an ulterior motive. Fast.

    Now, if they mean that a lot of people went overboard, well, I don't think I could argue against them there. One only needs to look at Darwin Awards to see that a lot of people do go overboard... and kill themselves doing it. The trick of it is not to be a lemming.

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    Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
  38. I LOVE THE CURRENT MARKET by Coppertron · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This whole market bust is a boon for some. Right now I have 3 techs that just paid their own way through getting their MCSE's. I've trained them each extensively and each has been assigned specialties that is extremely effecient for our company. As long as I keep rolling out new systems and allow them to get hands on real world experience installing and maintaining the latest and greatest, they are likely to actually STAY here!!! The thought of having employees that actually know what they are doing stay here at their current salaries would have been unheard of 2 years ago. And this isn't such a bad gig being 10 minutes from the beach...

  39. Re:you want the truth? by kasparov · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Here is the real problem that people just don't seem to get. IT people (the talented ones), by and large, are different from just about every other department in your company. The majority are never going to be "company men." We feel no loyalty to the company. Many of us even resent it. We are there for the money and the "toys." The only thing we truly respect in other people is intelligence. Most of us take great pride in our work, and will do anything we can to make sure that the systems keep running and you can keep working.

    But, when the marketing/accounting/phb people keep breaking things by doing pointless, stupid, non-business-related shit, it pisses us off. Yes, VP Smith, I'm sure that you thought clicking the Naked Wife attatchment was a business related activity. BTW, you just killed the Exchange server. No one has been able to get their mail for the last three hours. Of course, we get chewed out because it happened. Even though we turned down in our request for the Exchange agent for our virus scanning software.

    It always seems like everyone wants all the benefits of the great new technology without spending the money to do it right. They think, well this new widget has the features that would really make us more productive! Why can't we install it on the Domain Controller/Terminal Server(yes people actually do that-ARGH!)/Exchange Server? They forget, too, that if it wasn't for us they would still be doing everything on paper.

    We realize that we wouldn't have jobs if it wasn't for the marketing/sales/etc people, but frankly you all do some really stupid shit (repeatedly). You blame us for things that are your fault. Guess what, we're salaried. Guess what? We were up until 4am fixing that last virus problem that you caused--not getting paid. Guess what? We don't get commissions, free lunches/dinners with clients, and don't get corporate sponsored vacations to the Bahamas.

    No matter how you glorify your people skills, I can emulate them. All of my end-users like me because I pretend to like them. I'm cordial, congenial, and many even find me funny. Of course, being nice all day at work really drains me. 70 percent of the people I work with are idiots. Some of them may be nice idiots, but they are still idiots. I'm not just talking about computer skills, either. They are just not very intelligent. Its hard to respect the stupid.

    So no, we don't tend to value people skills. Creativity on the other hand is something that almost all good techs that I have come across value deeply. Coming up with a creative, efficient, beautiful solution to a problem is highly regarded. Most of us are even fans of other creative enterprises: music, theater, art--we respect all of these. Junk mail, spam, lame commercials, and sales people who sell things that don't really exist that we have to implement some way for a customer--these things we have no respect for.

    Well, I guess that's enough ranting. We know that the rest of you in "the enterprise" don't share our view, but thats because we have different values. It will probably always be that way.

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    There's no place I can be, since I found Serenity.