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DVD Region Encoding on Verge of Collapse?

Spudley writes "It seems like the infamous Region Encoding system used by DVD manufacturers to prevent us buying disks from overseas is about to collapse - due to widespread flaunting of the system. This article on the BBC doesn't go into much technical detail, but does include an interview with a company that manufactures DVD players ("You can find codes for more or less all brands of DVD player including ours") and some speculation on the future." It always seemed like an idea destined to fail.

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  1. Re:why? by Caballero · · Score: 5, Informative


    Strictly economics. The studio wants to control the spread of the movie to maximize profit.

    Movies often open in the US 6-9 months before they show in Europe. In many cases, the US DVD is out before the move has opened in Europe. With region codes they make it hard for Europeans to buy the DVD instead of going out to the theater.

  2. Um, no, it works just fine by gerf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It always seemed like an idea destined to fail

    No, i think it did its job spledidly. It prevented the general populace from spreading movies where they don't want, and it still does. How many people do you think buy a Gateway Computer, with DVD, tech support, ect., and don't know jack about Regional encoding. Trust me, they've done what they wanted to do, and it will still work, to a surprising degree, well into the future.

    Just think how many people still can't program the time on a VCR. Do you seriously think they're going to find a go-around to Regional encoding when they're barely competent enough to wipe their own arse?

  3. Re:It was a bad idea to begin with... by jmu1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Added to that, there are multinational/multilengual people that wouldn't get the chance to see something from their homeland unless they bought _another_ player.

  4. Not just release scheduling by crow · · Score: 5, Informative

    If it were just a matter of scheduling releases (which is the most often cited reason for the coding), then they wouldn't include region coding except on recent movies. But look at DVDs of classic movies; they're all region coded.

    Why?

    They want to maximize profit by charging different prices in different markets. They know that if they set the price 50% or 100% higher in some region, then people will import from the cheaper region. Region coding is supposed to stop that. In practice, this is the main reason that people want to bypass region coding--cheaper discs from other regions.

  5. Simple solution by rhadamanthus · · Score: 5, Insightful
    APEX AD-3201. At K-mart for about 100 bucks. Open the tray, press 8-4-2-1, and turn off region encoding and macrovision. Wonderful. Some people say the quality of the player is questionable--but it works fine for myself, and so does the one I got my dad...

    this will probably be modded as offtopic--which only makes my sig more ironic than usual...

    ---rhad

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  6. Industry's 2 "real" reasons for region coding by lordpixel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you ignore the possibility that they won't fit in the available MB because of the extra 30 minutes of outakes and inane commentaries, then the original idea was that DVDs could be sold with multiple soundtracks & subtitles thus reducing costs.

    In reality, 2 reasons are cited in defense of region coding:

    * fees for extras (commentaries, FOX tv "making-of" specials) are often negotiated per region. It would cost the studios some effort and $ to get permission for all of the pieces in every market, so they make a European version without all that stuff [1]

    * Censorship. Most European countries have their own version on the MPAA rating scheme. What's OK in the UK might not be in France, and vice versa. So there end up being a dozen different little cuts that have to be made to get the rating [2]

    My personal feeling is it exists to maintain the old price differentials. DVDs are more expensive outside of the UK. Most of the studios have a European distributor who fiddles with the artwork, replaces the [R] rating with a (18) logo etc. If you could just use the region 1 disk, all of the "value" these people add wouldn't be needed anymore. The middleman would have to adapt - and we know that unfortunately people often try to use a technical fix to prop up their existing revenue model.

    For a reverse example, the BBC usually region codes its TV shows. This is, I've heard, because it has a US distributor (Warner Home Video) who is supposed to get first refusal for all US releases - and they would feel threatened if people could just import what they wanted to watch when its released in the UK. So they mandate region coding. Not sure what would be in it for the BBC otherwise - its certainly a Hollywood studio thing.

    [1] the smart reader will have figured out you can do this whether you region code the disk or not.
    [2] once again the smart reader will be wondering how the hell this sort of granstanding by a few un-elected arbiters of taste is supposed to be beneficial in any way.

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  7. Re:why? by tftp · · Score: 5, Informative
    The business justification is simple. Advertisement of a movie in one country costs N million dollars; if you do it in M countries you must have N*M million dollars. But this is expensive, and where the money would come from? Especially right after the movie is done and all the investment/loan money already spent?

    The easy way out is to start in few countries, collect money, recoup your advertising expenses, and reinvest into advertising in another country or group of countries. This way you only need N million dollars regardless of how many countries you sell the movie to. This, of course, takes time, and that's where the delay comes from.

  8. Re:why? by rekoil · · Score: 5, Funny

    To translate a film from American English to U.K English? What do they do, overdub "F*cking" with "bloddy" every time it's uttered?

  9. Good article by Featureless · · Score: 5, Informative

    This covers the subject pretty well, discussing the economics, sizes of markets, theoretical justification for region subdivisions, etc.

    DVD Region Coding

    Region coding is a perfect example of how the content production trusts abuse their special status. You see, our government, in its infinite corruptibility, has granted legal sanctity to the IP producer's content control systems. But the MPAA isn't just trying to use this new favor to prevent theft. They really see themselves as the natural owners of the whole transport layer and presentation medium, and they exploit it in any way possible - including with region coding, which (I suspect) allows them to sidestep the perils of free trade to further control prices.

    What gets me is that I don't even see region codes as a big loss for the MPAA; I'm curious about the substance of the price differences across region boundaries that this allows them to create. I understand that the movie industry is in the habit of doing theatrical releases months apart on different continents, and that this allows them to make sure that the American DVD does reach Australia before the movie hits theaters, but really, how often is that in danger of happening? I suppose there are cases where they decide some time after a release in one country to go for a release in another (probably based on sales figures)... But how much hardship are we really talking about, I wonder?

  10. The economics of region encoding by jcam2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The real reason behind region encoding is not
    to delay releases between different countries,
    but to maximise income. Movies (and many other
    kinds of intellectual property) sell at different
    prices in different countries, due to differences
    in purchasing power.

    A particular movie might make the most money
    when sold at $20 in the USA, but in Australia
    $10 might be the best price point. However,
    without region encoding there would be nothing
    to stop someone in the USA importing and
    re-selling movies from Australia. The end
    result would be that prices would be roughly
    the same in all countries.

    So if you live in a rich country, region
    encoding is a bad thing. But for citizens of
    poorer countries, it means that they are
    getting DVDs at cheaper prices than would
    prevail under total 'free trade'.

    So maybe the breakdown of region encoding
    isn't as good for consumers as you might
    first think ..

  11. On Verge of Collapse? I don't think so. by frozenray · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wholesale import of non-RC2 DVDs is forbidden by law in Germany and, since 1 August 2002, in Switzerland. I don't know about other countries, but the outlook for the EU is not good.

    I can still legally import RC1 DVDs from the US as a private person here in Switzerland, but this takes time and is rather expensive because of overseas shipping and customs expenses. Stores such as MediaMarkt used to have a good assortment of RC1 DVDs at reasonable prices, but this is now illegal. Since the primary reason to switch to DVD for me was the possibility to see a movie in English with English subtitles, I have practically stopped buying DVDs locally (the RC2 versions are often missing features from the US releases, and the English language audio track has permanent German subtitles).

    Bottom line: Thanks to the industry's ridiculous policies, the money they get from me is down to about 1/3 of what it used to be. Maybe I'm the only one, but if not, they'll sure find a way to blame the slump in sales to "piracy" instead of acknowledging that they're shooting themselves in the foot.

    And, by the way: How is this compatible with the "free trade" idea so cherished by many politicians today? Does "free trade" really mean "free trade as long as we can profit from it"?

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  12. Re:why? by cei · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The UK DVD of Star Wars Ep II will be missing the 26 frames of head-butt in the fight sequence between Jango Fett & Obi-Wan, for ratings reasons...

    Likewise, the UK version of Disney's Lilo & Stitch has Lilo climbing into a cabinet with a pizza box lid for a door, while in the US version she climbs into a clothes drier. The UK ratings board had issues with that...

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