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Sandia Labs Creates "Sim-Terrorist Attack"

linuxwrangler writes "This article in the San Francisco chronicle describes the new "Weapons of Mass Destruction Decision Analysis Center" software created at Sandia labs. Work started on the software, modeled after the popular Sim* series of games, well before 9/11. It is designed to simulate a "war room" atmosphere and looks like a cool way to put geek toys to practical use. Now if I could just download the tarball...." Be sure to examine the picture of it running on their CAVE like system.

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  1. Did they not see "Wargames"?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Have these "scientists" learned nothing from the esteemed Dr. Falken?!?!

    1. Re:Did they not see "Wargames"?!?! by MxTxL · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wouldn't you prefer a nice game of chess?

    2. Re:Did they not see "Wargames"?!?! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 2
      Have these "scientists" learned nothing from the esteemed Dr. Falken?!?!

      Well,
      They got better chairs !

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  2. CAVE-like? not... by jabbo · · Score: 5, Informative

    That thing looks nothing like a CAVE. I worked at the Cornell Theory Center and my group used our CAVE a lot... it is ideal to cover 3 angles (via 3 walls and projection) for immersion, and a CAVE is typically used for more immersive visualizations than spreading out information ala' their display.

    Theirs is more like a movie screen.

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  3. Oh Great... by M.C.+Hampster · · Score: 3, Funny


    I'm glad to know that our elected officials will be prepared to deal with the threat of large monsters destroying our cities...

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  4. Cool Toys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I don't see any cool toys in the pictures.

    It looks a lot more like non-technical people spending government money and trying to come up with something to show for it. And not doing a very good job...

  5. geek toys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    "looks like a cool way to put geek toys to practical use"

    Geek toys are never of practical use. That's the whole point of them.

  6. Is it just me... by Gudlyf · · Score: 2, Funny
    ...or does the notion of playing a game of simulating a terrorist attack seem sick? The original poster mentions their want of the simulation "game" that was created, but I mean, c'mon.

    Then again, there have been plenty of nuclear war sim-type games released throughout the years, so why would this be any different.

    Damn...I just flamed myself.

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    1. Re:Is it just me... by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 2

      We just have to be careful that the computer knows the difference between the game simulation and the real weapons. We should start it off slow with an easy game like tic-tac-toe. We should also make sure that the launch codes can be hacked one character at a time should the computer decide to take control.

      -B

    2. Re:Is it just me... by sql*kitten · · Score: 2

      or does the notion of playing a game of simulating a terrorist attack seem sick?

      Game is just the term used to describe a simulated situation in which all variables are free to move within constraints and the outcomes, combinations and emergent properties aren't scripted or known in advance. There branch of math for studying systems like this is called game theory.

      It's not a "game" in that it's played for fun, although it has characteristics in common with games that are played for fun. After all, something like this is really just chess on a grand scale.

  7. Getting ride of terrorists attacks is easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just go up to the menu and turn disasters off.

  8. Bathroom time and Quake by T-Kir · · Score: 3, Funny

    modeled after the popular Sim* series of games

    Sim City: Do they include the scenario when the aliens visit?

    The Sims: So will it take them 15 minutes to go to the bathroom, and set fire to the simulation room centre when trying to cook a snack?

    I thought it was funny enough when games were used for real life scenarios. Esp. the designers of a major building, creating a virtual version in the Quake engine... and then prospective clients/investors took a virtual tour and promptly died when trying to use an evelvator (falling down the lift shaft didn't help either).

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    1. Re:Bathroom time and Quake by Jonny+Ringo · · Score: 2

      I think they wanted to go with Sims model so they can use that cheat that gives you a ton of money. I forget the amount, its been to long.

  9. Gee... by Alex+Belits · · Score: 2

    ...software run on Windows... people use giant projection screens filled mostly with empty space in dialog boxes yet don't have their own monitors, and sit in Aeron chairs... photos show infamous "text projected on a face" effect except that it's real this time, someone actually got a face in front of a projector, blocking it from all others...

    Why does it all look like a PR stunt, dotcom style, or something from a low-budget TV series?

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  10. Aeron Chairs?! by guttentag · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What are thousand-dollar Aeron chairs, which the dot coms were criticized for wasting money on, doing at a government lab?

    1. Re:Aeron Chairs?! by beer_maker · · Score: 4, Informative
      I work across the street, at Lawrence Livermore National Lab, and the answer is simple: They have the high tech ergonomic chairs to prevent RSI. It's one of the coolest features of working here that they will go to almost any length to accommodate a ergomonic need (not want, but need.)

      Waste of money, you say? Actually, given the cost of the security clearances (up to $100K) it's insanely cost-effective to spend money on keeping their people well. They don't buy these chairs because the chair is comfortable, they buy the chair because it is designed to let you work without hurting yourself, which seems to involve a high level of comfort.

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    2. Re:Aeron Chairs?! by Sc00ter · · Score: 2
      Perhaps they got them on ebay from a failed dot com for way cheap..

    3. Re:Aeron Chairs?! by Mr+Guy · · Score: 2

      No you aren't. Americans put the dollar signs before the amount, $1000 chairs.

  11. Wow... by T3kno · · Score: 4, Funny

    That text is really sharp. It's amazing how the pale whiteness of her skin makes for a really good projection surface.

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  12. The Essence of Wargames by Mittermeyer · · Score: 2

    Keep in mind that the value of such a simulation is NOT to play the game but to experience the decision-making cycle and understand the process of what comes at civic leaders with a potential pandemic on their hands.

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    1. Re:The Essence of Wargames by geekoid · · Score: 2

      you mean:
      Keep in mind that the value of such a simulation is NOT to play the game but to experience the decision-making cycle and understand the process of what comes at civic leaders with a potential pandemic on their hands, while sitting on 1000 dollar chairs.

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  13. How long... by I+Love+this+Company! · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...before Maxis releases this as another cheesy $30 expansion pack for The Sims?

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  14. Hasn't this been out for a while? by SoCalChris · · Score: 2, Funny

    I thought Microsoft published this a while ago.

  15. Looks like Windows... by unsinged+int · · Score: 3, Funny

    "You have chosen to distribute medication to halt the spread of the bioterror weapon. Windows must reboot to continue saving the world. Please wait."

  16. Flaws in this System by Mirell · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Since they term the system: Weapons of Mass Destruction Decision Analysis Center, then obviously it deals from simple plagues to tactical nukes, no? The article mentions about a possible nuclear holocaust. They plan to distribute this to various public agencies. The only problem that I have with this is the fact 1) This has already been done by the military, playing "war games" of such where you have a group of military/civilian high-ranking officials, being presented with a situation, having a narrator provide more details and sparse messages that manage to get through.

    The problem with allowing non-military public officials to use this software to possibly prepare for various "Attacks" of sort, is the issue of possible other means that could arrive from the military, since they are kept classified. Intelligence gathering and analyzing most probably does not play an issue in this situation. This is for the "anthrax attacks". And if it was a bioweapon to cause that many people to die, you would also have to deal with such things as A-4 Skyhawks with 80 rounds of Zeni missiles patroling the area, the National Guard mobilized, ports closed, airports closed, phone lines shifted for emergency use only, et cetera. I fail to see how this program could easily deal with the large amount of variables for a seemingly "attack upon the nation", without all the information for each and every military post, equipment, flight patterns, tours of duties, et cetera.

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  17. Typical Disaster Prep Software by e2d2 · · Score: 2

    This is just another Disaster type of Preparedness/Emergency Management (DP/EM) software. I had the chance to see similiar software used by large government installations/institutions. This particular one was purchased by Camp LeJeune developed by Applied Ordanance Technology. The typical scenario use was either for prepardness, running simulations of disasters (everything from terror attacks to floods), or for Emergency Management where emergency professionals would use the software on site at an emergency location to help plan their efforts. Usually all of this was tied into GIS/Mapping software compiled with all kinds of information. You could program the software to raise the water levels by X feet in one area, or map out affected areas depending on a WMD you specify, weather, social events, population, season, etc. It would even allow you to get all the way down into the nitty gritty getting detailed architectural plans of any building you specify. This is great for emergency personel who need to know what type of materials are stored in a building at a location before they enter.

  18. huh? by gol64738 · · Score: 2

    you mean the WOPR?

  19. heres a cool cave (like) system by HelloKitty · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here is a 6 sided cave(like), and a 4 sided with movable walls... http://www.vrac.iastate.edu/about/otherLabs/index. html ---- http://subatomic.vrsource.org!!

  20. CAVE-like or not.. by ldopa1 · · Score: 2

    I want one. This would be perfect for Half-Life..

    That said, I think Sim-Terrorist actually sounds like both a good idea and a good game. Honestly, Counterstrike is based on an counter-terrorism scenario. Why couldn't you build a game where you're Tom Ridge, and it's your job to stop the fanatical flavor of the month.

    Speaking of "fanatical flavor of the month", Who's it going to be next? Think I'm being too cynical? Think Quadaffi, Khomeni, etc etc etc. In America we NEED someone to hate, otherwise we won't feel like we're better than everyone else.

    When the economy gets slow, we bomb stuff. Sometimes it's stuff we've never bombed before, but most often, it's the usual suspects...

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    1. Re:CAVE-like or not.. by Stonehand · · Score: 2

      Ummm, the Ayatollah Khomeni has been dead for quite some time, so if he's back to bother us there's something /really/ funky going on. The Colonel ain't yet, but he's actually been behaving himself lately as far as I've read.

      But you can see the fanatical flavor of the month anytime, by tuning into al-Jazeera or anything else that covers public opinion in the Arab world. You want interviews with young children who praise martyrdom as a worthy objective, and how if they die for The One True Faith they go straight to Paradise? They got it. You want "Death to America" protests? They've only been doing that since... well, at least the revolution against the Shah of Iran, and maybe earlier.

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  21. Older than it may seem... by lostchicken · · Score: 2

    Look at the middle image. Clearly a Win32 app running under WinXP, right? It would make sense that all the computers used for the same project would be running the same OS, and that is likely what is happening.

    However, on the left, we see a Windows 2000 style window. The two machines could still be configured the same, and the system would look like the picture, if the app running on the left was a Win16 app. This would suggest that the system is much, much older than we are led to think.

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  22. Sandia by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 2

    Sandia should be very experienced with mass destruction, after all, they've (along with Los Alamos) been developing weapons of mass destruction for decades.

    Guess it takes one to know one.

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  23. Sounds like fun... by MarvinMouse · · Score: 2

    Where can I purchase a copy? Is it multiplayer? :-) j/k.

    Albeit, it would be really cool to try out.

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