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Ohio Schools Drop Webcasts Because Of DMCA

An anonymous reader writes "The Toledo Blade is reporting that several Ohio universities have dropped their internet radio broadcasts due to the DMCA and CARP fees. It mentions how conviently parents, students and administrators used to be able to keep track of school news from accross the country and world. Now their silent thanks to the money and time that would be needed to comply with the new regulations."

43 comments

  1. Us Too by joeljkp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This happened to my college radio station also. Mississippi State University. Closed down this Spring.

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    1. Re:Us Too by antirename · · Score: 2

      They do this with normal broadcasts too... let's say you go to a university that is considering starting a radio station. Now assume that your university gets donations from the local stations/Streamcast or whoever. Do they want the competition? Will they make their views known? Did the radio station ever materialize? It happened where I live at least once in the last couple years. Result: no student station. Its not just webcasts, guys.

  2. Yeah by TheHouseMouse · · Score: 2, Funny

    Serves them right, those evil pirates were a threat to the music industry and artists creativity. One might even describe those webstations operators as terrorists! It's great to know that we can continue to pay $16 for our Avril Lavigne and NOW cd's. I mean, that Avril worked her way up through the ranks of the music business. She started off singing at local clubs with a band, and then she got her big break. Oh wait...my bad. She was most likely picked out of a pool of 300 other teenage girls. Whoopsie! But still, who's going to protect her from evil terrorist music pirates.

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    1. Re:Yeah by syrinx · · Score: 3, Informative

      I mean, that Avril worked her way up through the ranks of the music business. She started off singing at local clubs with a band, and then she got her big break. Oh wait...my bad. She was most likely picked out of a pool of 300 other teenage girls.

      actually, she did work her way up singing at clubs and so on. nice try though.

      then again, this is slashdot, don't let facts get in the way of posting!

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    2. Re:Yeah by Anonymous+DWord · · Score: 1

      Well, she's what, 17 now? What clubs would those be? nice try though.

      then again, this is slashdot, don't let facts get in the way of posting!

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    3. Re:Yeah by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 2
      Well, she's what, 17 now? What clubs would those be?
      S Club 17?

      *ducks*
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    4. Re:Yeah by TibbonZero · · Score: 1

      She can't even play in most clubs...
      lol...
      21+, 18+....

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    5. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the bouncers on those clubs are out there checking the age when the band arrives... cause otherwise nobody would notice her getting drunk up there on stage during the guitar solos.

      then again, this is slashdot, don't let facts get in the way of posting!

    6. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dontcha just hate it when you try to update your 'crappy manufactured pop idol' rant and suddenly find the charts no longer fit?

      But that darn Eminem, manufactured music industry shill... bet he doesn't even play an instrument.

      Hmm, that reminds me, must start planting tape recorders in psychiatrists' offices, might get a hit out of someone's parental issues.

  3. quick, get these stations back up by scrytch · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    "The Toledo Blade is reporting that several Ohio universities have dropped their internet radio broadcasts due to the DMCA and CARP fees. It mentions how conviently parents, students and administrators used to be able to keep track of school news from accross the country and world. Now their silent thanks to the money and time that would be needed to comply with the new regulations."

    Without these stations, the qwality of edducation is droppinng as we speek!

    Editors: it is acceptable to correct spelling. Sometimes even to paraphrase. Without editing, you're just a glorified usenet feed.

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    1. Re:quick, get these stations back up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Editors: it is acceptable to correct spelling. Sometimes even to paraphrase. Without editing, you're just a glorified usenet feed.


      If any of these newbies understood usenet, slashdot wouldn't exist. I guess I miss the days of rn and trn...

    2. Re:quick, get these stations back up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spelling and grammar are two different things. There are no spelling errors in that, just a grammatical error. A really annoying grammatical error. (sentence fragment)

    3. Re:quick, get these stations back up by Greedo · · Score: 1

      Uh, "their" should be "they're" ... which I would call a spelling error.

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    4. Re:quick, get these stations back up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, did you completely miss the bold-faced mispellings of "conviently" and "accross," or do you not know that those words are correctly spelled as "conveniently" and "across?"

  4. This sucks, but not as bad as they are saying by Directrix1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sure it sucks that they couldn't play music associated with the RIAA and junk. But they could probably play music from the local bands. This would be better for the community anyways. And why couldn't they just take the retarded mainstream music offline, and only have these useful college broadcasts like games and stuff that are so needed by everyone.

    Listeners need to quit crying, and producers need to quit scurrying away like scared animals at the thought of having to change their content because of those DREADED COPYRIGHTS. Give me a break people. Alternative content exists.

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    1. Re:This sucks, but not as bad as they are saying by PurpleBob · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You don't get CARP. It doesn't matter if they play all non-RIAA content - unless they've got logs from the past three years to prove it.

      Plus, the law is set up to assume that absolutely all music in the world comes from the RIAA, and then they have some weird agency that would supposedly give the money back to whoever it was supposed to go to in those cases where it doesn't.

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    2. Re:This sucks, but not as bad as they are saying by Lux+Interior · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, it's the Harry Fox Agency, and they are not associated with the RIAA formally. They're good, and very, very powerful.

    3. Re:This sucks, but not as bad as they are saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if you use only alternate content you still have to follow the procedures pushed forward by the various licensing organizations or you are in violation.

  5. Build yer own... by JetScootr · · Score: 2, Troll

    It's a university, dadgummit...isn't thare a music school thair? can't they generate they're own content? Why use someone else's copyrighted content? and thaer's lots and lots of artists out their who want theighr own stuff to get exposure. Thaiy'd probly be willing to reduce or waive their royalties to do so.

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    1. Re:Build yer own... by DDX_2002 · · Score: 1

      And then prepare for the flood of slashdotters up in arms over the draconian IP policies of said university which confiscate the performance rights of all music students who enrol. Five years later, a drop out hits #1 with a ditty he and his band started playing in coffee houses while back in university and the attack lawyers descend....

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  6. Questions about CARP by TheHouseMouse · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have a few questions about CARP fee's and how they may affect my listening. How does this affect webstations overseas? And what about non-riaa content? I mean...it seems like the answers are obvious, no they don't affect other countries, and they shouldn't affect non-riaa music. However when I check the webpages of some of my favorite webcasters, who are usually located in Britain or Spain, I get bombarded with notices about CARP and wanting me to fax my congressman. What's the deal?

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  7. Independent content by Ogerman · · Score: 2

    All the more reason small radio stations need to start broadcasting nothing but independent artists. C'mon now. A college town is the perfect place to do this with all the local bands, university concerts, etc.

  8. Just ignore it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's a novel idea, just ignore CARP and the DMCA. If state run institutions do it, there really isn't a damn thing the RIAA can do about it. It's not very easy to sue state and federal government and the institutions they run.

    1. Re:Just ignore it by siskbc · · Score: 1

      It's actually fairly easy to sue a university (yes, state schools too). They let their lawyers run practically everything they do. Schools have endowments, and they make lawyers drool.

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  9. WOXY 97X by erasmus_ · · Score: 2

    As anyone from Cincinnati can attest, the local Miami college radio station 97X (remember Dustin Hoffman in Rainman saying "Bam! The future of rock-n-roll!") is better than any other station here in town. The amount of cds in my collection that I bought after hearing it on that station, and that never would've gotten mainstream play is staggering. Unfortunately, due to reception problems and signal obstruction, I have to stream them here at work even in the same town.

    Recently, they sent out a poll asking whether listeners would be willing to pay a small monthly amount in order for them to continue broadcasting online. Although they haven't announced the results yet, I'm sure that many people, like me, indicated that they'd be willing to pay to have great music available to them. I said that $5/month sounded reasonable, but I might be willing to go higher.

    So if the station in the article is really that important to all those students, and those alum, maybe they can find ways of financing it. Besides monthly subscriptions, you could have a fundraiser with a band, sell tshirts, get more sponsors, whatever. I'm not familiar with the entire situation just from the article, but it doesn't look like the school in question even tried to keep this venture going.

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  10. Am I missing something? by daoine · · Score: 2
    After actually reading the article I'm still not satisfied with the explanation. UT is dropping its internet broadcast due to music licensing fees. Ok, I understand the music licensing fee issue.

    What I don't understand are the user comments. They complain about losing school news and sports broadcasts. I don't see why the compromise of "stream sports and news, not music" isn't mentioned. Dropping the station just seems to be a gross overreaction to prove the point that the legislation sucks.

    Am I missing something?

    1. Re:Am I missing something? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Teenagers cannot listen to news without music. It's part of the American ADD-oriented culture. Therefore if the station pursued this option, no one would use it except for a few people out there who are either overprotective parents or single old people who do not own enough cats.

  11. Boomer Sooner .... (this song has been interupted) by BoomerSooner · · Score: 0

    welcome to you get what you vote for. Every person that voted these assholes into office (or didn't vote and contributed by absention to these assholes in office) get out and make a difference.

    We used to be free then the medium was locked down. World Wide Web my ass.

  12. Remember who runs schools by serutan · · Score: 2

    It may seem like an overreaction on the part of the Ohio schools, but having worked for school districts over the years I can attest that they are run by what you might call "hall monitor" personalities. People whose first reaction to an idea is not, "What an interesting idea," but, "What rule does it break?" No matter how good an idea sounds or what the benefits would be, school district management people will go out of their way to make sure everybody in the world has ample opportunity to throw in a monkey wrench. It's sort of a compulsive failure mentality, and it drives a lot of excellent people away from the world of education.

  13. Umm... no. She was manufactured by her agent by Cletus+the+yokel · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Two years ago she was doing country gospel and new country in small-town eastern Ontario. She won a contest and got to sing a duet onstage with Shania Twain. Then she was "discovered", got an agent, and suddenly she was one 'bad-ass chick'. See this article for details.

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  14. I worked for a college radio station in Illinois.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the early 90's, the 100watt radio station I worked for was full of people talking about how wrong the Gulf war was, and how they were really taking a big risk in saying so because "the government could shut us down!"

    I occasionally reminded them that, thanks to sloppy record-keeping and saying a word that rhymes with luck five times a day on-air, the government could have shut them down a long time ago.

    Here's my point: oh, wait, I didn't have one.

  15. Do the Artists care? by TibbonZero · · Score: 1

    Some artists like being played on the radio (MP3 or otherwise). If they don't care, can they play them? There are plenty of underground artists and some bigger ones like Jen Chapin who I am sure wouldn't care at all if they were played on a streaming radio station.

    I wonder when MP3.com will be hit hard with RIAA stuff, because the Artists submit their stuff willingly...

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  16. Join the list. by martissimo · · Score: 2

    Decent article came out this weekend here about college webcasting troubles. Lot's of college stations are gonna fold up shop (the webcasting part at least) because of this it looks like.

    I remember when the rates were being discussed on NPR with a recording industry exec there, he flat out stated that the rates being proposed would only be a guideline and that they would gladly negotiate lower fees or possibly drop them all together for non profits (and also even commercial stations who played the music they "want promoted"). It sure sounds like they forgot all about that part now that the fees are set doesn't it?

  17. Re:Boomer Sooner .... (this song has been interupt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funny how that works when the only people on the ballot are assholes.