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Telstra Considers 45,000-Seat Linux Deployment

stressky writes: "Looks like major Aussie telco Telstra are looking at deploying Linux as the new Standard Operating Environment across their 45,000 desktop LAN workstations." An anonymous reader offers evidence that Telstra isn't alone; apparently, many other Australian businesses are considering a similar switch.

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  1. Good news for Home Linux by Alranor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And once people start having to use Linux at work, and see that it's a perfectly usable system and a nice desktop, they might start switching over at home.

    People are lazy, they know windows, they're not likely to change to something they don't know unless they're forced. But if they've already had some exposure to Linux, they'll be much more willing to try it out at home.

    1. Re:Good news for Home Linux by BlueWonder · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I don't believe that linux is ready or designed for home use

      I don't believe that Linux is designed for anything. Keep in mind that there isn't a single driving force behind Linux which works towards a well-defined design goal. Instead, Linux is a collection of software, written by many different people with different goals and ideas. IMHO, this is both its weakness and its strength. :-)

    2. Re:Good news for Home Linux by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, I'll give you some examples that I battle with dayly:

      I browse using Opera, use GnomICU for ICQ and OpenOffice.org as my office-suite.

      If I get a ICQ message with a web-address, it doesn't make a link from it, so I have to copy it by hand. This involves marking the address with the mouse, then waiting ~4 seconds for KDE to figure out, that the text that is marked, just might be a URL, and ask me what I want to do with it. I want to copy it to the clipboard (which I can't seem to do any other way).

      Now I go to opera, where I happen to have another page open, so I doubleclick in the address bar and curse loudly, because now that address is in the clipboard, and kde again asks me what I want to do. Press delete to clear the address-bar

      Go back to the ICQ message and repeat.

      Go back to Opera, press paste and HOPE it's the right clipboard that I'm accessing this time (because I've only been using linux as a desktop for roughly a month, I keep mixing shortcut access to the various clipboard up). If not, I can delete the text by depressing backspace until the text is deleted. Then try to remember how to access the clipboard that the URL is located in.

      OpenOffice is worse and better. I spent four hours writing this and then had to spend 15 minutes trying to figure out how the bloody hell I could move that text into Opera!

      Sure, blame the programmes of the programs I mentioned for being sloppy programmers. Blame me for being a stupid luser. But don't blame the developers for enabling more than one single clipboard in a system at a time.

      My experience with just the clipboards leads me to believe, that the developers and programmers have never heard of the concepts of concurrency and deadlocks. I haven't seen a deadlock of the clipboard, but I have seen the precursors of it.

      Sure, I know how to change clipboards (but not on a system wide level), but would your mom know how to do that? Would Mr. Johnson, the accountant at 3H, who has been blessed with Linux on the desktop?

      If you take the time to read through the abstract I linked to, you will see, that I'm not just your average luser, and even if I was, you can take your "holier than thou" attitude and shove up your ass. Both of them.

      --
      We do not live in the 21st century. We live in the 20 second century.
    3. Re:Good news for Home Linux by mgv · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or did you just repeat whatever your local Microsoft-representative told you?

      Or are you being zealous to the point of not admitting problems with linux?

      I've switched over to RH Linux for my workstations for about 3 months now (Have used Linux as a server for much longer). It finally got the level that met all essential criteria for running functional apps (Open Office, Evolution, Galeon and successful execution of all M$ card games under wine!) for myself and wife.

      So I'm hardly anti-Linux. But copy and paste between most apps and open office seems to often not happen.

      Just because Linux is rapidly becoming the best desktop system doesn't mean that everything about it is the best. So if someone says that there is a problem with the clipboard, the right response is to work on fixing it. Denial of problem is a Microsoft trait (esp. with security issues). I don't think that the Linux community really this sort of attitude. Anyway, most microsoft representatives don't know enough about linux to criticise it meaningfully.

      My 2c worth.

      Michael

      --
      There is no cryptographic solution to the problem where the intended receiver and the attacker are the same entity.
    4. Re:Good news for Home Linux by Riskable · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here's some clipboard tips for you from a KDE/Opera fiend...

      Turn off the URL handler for the clibpoard manager (click on the little clipboard icon in your system tray next to your clock and then click on preferences. Delete the file handler for http://*).

      Setup a hotkey for the clipboard manager and configure it to pop up at your mouse location (under the general tab in preferences).

      Don't bother clicking on the URL in Opera. just have the URL in your clipboard and middle-click your browser window (this will tell Opera--or any other Linux browser for that matter--to go to that URL).

      Once you learn that A) you can middle-click URLs into browsers and B) how to use Klipper (the KDE clipboard manager) your pasting operations will be a dream come true!

      As a matter of fact, now that I'm used to the Klipper, I wouldn't want to use anything else! I tried Gnome, but without Klipper, I was severely frustrated. When I boot into Windows to play games, I find myself missing Klipper!

      I've emailed the Klipper developers and based upon my suggestions I believe KDE 3.1 will have the ability to store permanent items in the Klipper menu (for instance, you could keep your signiture in there for whenever/wherever you wanted to paste it--or any frequently used text string).

      I setup Klipper to remember the last 20 clipboard items... So even if I accidentally highlight something, I can just control-shift-s and swap my clipboard for the text string I had previously. Once you try it, you'll never go back!

      --
      -Riskable
      "Those who choose proprietary software will pay for their decision!"
  2. normal business procedure by 4im · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Telstra simply evaluate the alternatives. That's normal business procedure. OK, it's nice they consider Linux instead of just ignoring it, but that doesn't (yet) mean that they'll actually select it.

    You can be sure that MS will throw in their full marketing weight on such a business...

    Oh well, we can hope...

    1. Re:normal business procedure by (outer-limits) · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Probably 1/2 bluff, but at least they have something to call the bluff with. Expect to see them looking to lower the microsoft price for their site, especially in light of the recent MS price hike. At least Linux is there, without linux, microsoft wouldn't blink at calling their bluff.

      --

      Microsoft - Where would you like to go today, Maybe Jail?

  3. maybe it's due to M$ licensing... by potcrackpot · · Score: 4, Funny

    From the article from Australian IT:

    The Australian IT reported on deep scepticism among corporate decision makers about Microsoft's Licensing 6.0, which took effect at the beginning of the month

    OK, sounds reasonable. However, when asked about this, M$ came up with (also from the Australian IT article):

    Microsoft product marketing manager Danny Beck said organisations had accepted the new licensing model and Windows server sales had enjoyed double-digit growth since 1999.

    This doesn't seem to tally. Perhaps he meant the middle finger on each hand?

  4. Telstra and MS go back a ways. by child_of_mercy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Telstra have been MS junkies a long way back, Bill G made a point of wowing the Australian Government with presentations to Cabinet in the early days of the commercial net (1996/7 - early for MS) and with that push went the Govt owned corporates, of which Telstra is one.

    Telstra nearly lost their commercial ISP business due to faillings in Win NT's stability in those days.

    They also got extremely upset with MS publishing criticism of their Broadband strategy earlier this year (they'd thought they were buddies)

    At a guess though I'd say Telstra are using this bit of smoke to help their negotiations with MS, negotiations on a number of fronts.

    --
    'There is a Light that never goes out.'
  5. knowing where you going by oliverthered · · Score: 5, Insightful

    is like knowing where you've been.

    The problem with the current Linux desktop is that it's almost very hard to 'know',

    You never know exactly what cut and paste is.(crtl+insert, drag over , crtl+c{things are sure to break!} anything else).

    Or how the printer options are going to come up. {KDE print dialoge, configure lpr dialoge}

    What a right click will do.

    Where the help is (man, info{ahhh the great info},kde help or /usr/share/doc/myapp) ....

    Things are far better than a few years ago..

    Some things that might help would be:-

    Put some UI, design (aesthetic and technical) principals into the LSB
    and have a LSB certification for applications.

    Resolve the GTK,QT issues (should hopefully happen over the next year or two)

    Ask other people if they could kindly implement there GFX toolkits/widgets using QT or GTK.

    --
    thank God the internet isn't a human right.
  6. Pot calling Kettle black by joweht · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The suggestion that Tel$tra might resent Micro$ofts monopolistic rent seeking price practices is so ironic that it is not even ironic (as Baldrick would say).

    Tel$tra's business practices make Micro$oft seem a paragon of open access in comparison. Telstra is little more than a revival of the old (and justly reviled) Roman practice of tax farming, and it's massive profits come at the expense of decent information infrastructure and impose a disproportinate economic cost.

    Of course there are many Telco's around the world who similarly abuse their monopoly control of the local loop. Governments should wake up and realise that Telecoms constitute startegic infrastucture and that the short term windfalls that might arise from the creation of private monopolies and cartels come at the expense of massive flow on costs to the economy as a whole through communication costs being much higher than they should be.

    If we privatised all roads and allowed them to be run by gigantic vertically integrated transport conglomerates with no restrtictions on their prices the result would not be difficult to predict, a starving economy dominated by hugely profiatable transport congomerates. To see what this looks like one has only to go to modern day afghanistan, the ubiquotous "toll gates" are the sign posts of an economy there are no public goods exist and the result is a diminishing of private goods as well.

  7. Re:Not Likely by evil_roy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hypocrites. They still do not support linux for their cable - remember that Telstra is Aussie for Telecommunications monopoly. Not only is linux not supported - it is against the usage policy to use anything other than the bigpond login client to connect to the bigpond cable network. Since they only have a wintel client , linux is actually banned.

  8. Games! by echophase · · Score: 4, Funny

    So they will have, what, 1 year of unprecidented employee productivity before all the popular games are ported to Linux.