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Fields Medals awarded
prostoalex writes "Every four years the Fields Medals are awarded to top mathematicians for outstanding research. This year's winners, as this San Francisco Chronicle article reports are Vladimir Voevodsky from Institute for Advanced Study and Laurent Lafforgue from Institut des Hautes Etudes Scientifiques. 'True to form, Lafforgue and Voevodsky's mathematical research has no known practical applications', notes SF Chronicle."
I knew that blind guy on ST-TNG was underrrated
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So maybe 100 years ago, factoring into primes had no practical use ? Certainly nothing like it has today...
Nice to know that Berkeley got top cs prize, in case anyone didn't think they were top notch.
When negative numbers were introduced they were known as a mathematical curiosity not useful for anything.
Similarly complex numbers were discovered simply to make basic algebra "closed", now they have hundreds of applications, similarly group theory originally had no practical applications yet is now used in many fields including analysis of molecular interactions which is essential to pharmecutical companies.
Give it 20 years and I'm sure an application will arise.
the "error-correcting-guy" has his homepage here, his papers are here. Really interesting stuff. But what can you expect from a guy whose hairstyle has similarities to Einstein's :)
Excerpt:
The Nevanlinna Prize for computer science research goes to Madhu Sudan of Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge, Mass. [...] Sudan's work in developing "error-correcting (computer) codes" could play "an enormous role in securing the reliability and quality of all kinds of information transmission, from music recorded on CDs . . . to satellite transmissions."
New CRC? Do we need it?
-Kevin
The Field's medal is a lot more prestigious. They award it only once every 4 years. You also have to be under 40 years old to get it.
Hey that's easy any idiot can do that.
1: take the doughnut in you right hand
2: take the coffee cup in you left hand
3: move you right hand towards the coffee cup, ensure that you 'turn the doughnut into the coffee cup ' on you approach.
Maths is easy.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
fields 2002
-Kevin
As he is only 35 which is really really young for a such distinction
"Two Americans and a Frenchman have won prizes that are the mathematical and computer science near-equivalents of the Nobel Prize. "
;-)
Does this mean that...
Fields Medals ~ Nobel Prize
and
Fields Medals != Nobel Prize
?
A little planning goes a long way...
Milnor is another Fields Medalist from '62.
His work is a bit wider than just the CRC which by itself is "just" cyclic redundancy check. He talks about error-CORRECTING.
Doh, it's like saying that someone invented RLE packing, thus why study any packing? Packing will be studied until someone can find an algorithm that will be theoretically optimum (i.e. the lower limit given by the strings entropy).
Still when that limit has been reached, there's got to be a faster algorithm, so research will continue...
Yeah, that's what G. H. Hardy said about number theory back in 1940 (in A Mathematician's Apology). :)
-jfedor
As a (former) mathematician, I sometimes wish people wouldn't try to explain mathematical things in laymans terms:
"His study is related to topology, the mathematical science of shapes. Among other things, topologists study how one shape can be changed into another shape -- say, a doughnut into a coffee cup -- without removing the one feature they have in common -- the hole in the doughnut and the hole in the cup's handle"
First, this sounds soo cheesy, and second, this is _not_ what topology is about (the "how" doesn't normally matter, the question is "if").
I can see people imagining mathematicians sitting in the offices with a big pile of knead and trying to form proper coffee cup handles out of doughnuts.
Way to misrepresent his work, dumbass.
CRCs are not error correcting codes. They are error detecting codes.
Reed-Solomon codes are a common correcting code.
-Kevin
Lafforgue's work is about the Langlands program, but it's extremely difficult to find info about it on the Web. Can anyone provide pointers?
Yeah sure, maybe today, it's the topology and set theory guys who get all the chicks and who get invited to the Oscars and stuff, but just you wait, two-three years, it's going to be ALL ABOUT the Langlands Program!
On the other hand, take cohomology theory for algebraic varieties: that shit's just weird.
So sodding what if it doesn't have direct application today ? Would the SFC complain about yet another Dean Kootz book or another pointless film with Tom Cruise in it ? No they wouldn't, but because these guys are doing research and pushing the boundaries of human knowledge it is therefore pointless because of its lack of application.
Maths has had a history of "not being practical" and then 50,100 or even more years later turning out to be 100% practical. Did Pythagorus et al do all that work because it was "practical", is set theory practical... oh hang on that is the basis of cryptography, which is an area that 200 years ago would have been totally "pure" and unsullied by being practical.
I say let these men live in their Ivory Towers, let them postulate and theorise. Because first come the ideas, then come the realities. A Turing maching isn't "practical" it require infinite tape, but damn have those ideas kicked in. Game Theory was created by a John Nash because of its maths, it then changed economics BUT that wasn't why he started thinking about it.
If one more arse with an English degree derides Maths just ask them... when was the last time an author helped changed the world, and what about the millions of others who just write pulp bestseller after pulp bestseller... what is the practical application of those, except to be recycled as loo roll.
An Eye for an Eye will make the whole world blind - Gandhi
I'm sick of you and your cronies running around going The Fields Medal! The Fields Medal! You think I'm some kind of pity case. I didn't fuck up. It was a conscious choice. I know who I am, and I'm proud of what I do at Burger King.
This is an example of the general media trivializing scientific accomplishments.While nobody expects these guys to be treated like popstars, what they do isnt exactly like "the most esoteric forms of modern art or poetry." Yes what they do is indeed esoteric and they dont have know application now, but I am sure they didnt get the for simply "sheer incomprehensibility". The more obscure the better? Some respect would be nice.
On a side note: Is the Fields Medal only awarded to people under age of 40? Something like the Clark Medal
Pure research doesn't only pay off 'eventually'.. it pays off right now.
/reality / human experience / art / imagination / etc.
First off, these fields aren't as dead as the SF article suggests: topology is a very big game right now with high-level particle theory. I don't pretend to understand it, but building 'topological field theories' is something people spend a good chunk of time trying to do. Although this research probably isn't directly applicable, it's neccessary to push a field generally before you get to something specifically good.
(Of course, many would believe that theoretical particle physics has no application, either, and they wouldn't be entirely wrong.)
Another point to make, though, and I can't stress this enough, is that pure research is valuable even if it leads to NO application, for several reasons:
- It creates spin-off technologies. (In the case of mathematics, the 'technology' might be pretty abstract but still useful.)
- It creates a vibrant research community, which is good for a vibrant teaching environment. (Debatable, but at least some people think so.)
- It expands our knowledge of the universe
My favorite example: Even though Copernicus didn't really do anything for us but give us a few interplanetary probes, a useless moonshot of two, and slightly improved timetables, most people would be happy to know that the earth goes around the sun, not vice versa, not because it's USEFUL, but because it's TRUE.
---Nathaniel,
Shooting his mouth off about his favorite topic.
What makes the Fields medal special, in case you don't know is that:
a) There is no Nobel Prize for mathematics.
b) The Fields Medal is only awarded once every four years, vs. every year for the Nobel.
It's truly an achievement.
And that do no good if you can't retransmit the information, eitheir because impractical (e.g. space probe really far away) or because you're reading from some damaged media (e.g. scratched CD). That's where error correcting code are used.
You usually design you code to withstand some kind of error rate (e.g. 1% of the bits are reversed) and the right code can ensure by encoding data with some redundancy that your data comes intact.
Old one used where things inspired by the work of guis like Hamming, Berlekamp, Massey, Reed and Solomon (used in satelite transmissions and CD reading). Sundan's work should be an improvement over that and will be used everywhere.
I think it was Hitler who changed the world, and the book is only important because of his actions. Better examples of authors who changes the world would be Nietzsche, Muhammad, Huxley and Orwell.
The write up was complete shit, I was thinking turn a coffee cup into a doughnut in a topological sense, but couldn't see any spaces that needed to be changed.
The writer was just trying to explain what topology is but very badly!.
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
So what practical application do the recipients of the Oscars, Emmys, or Grammys perform?
We need a cool funky page like the Nobel's Page for the Fields award. Currently we only have these text based ones because the people maintaining them are too busy working on math to create a cooler looking one. :-)
It would be really cool to have a nice looking math page online. Something that will get people's attention.
Does anyone know of a better looking and still accurate Field's page?
~ kjrose
There are only three kinds of people in this world; those that can count, and those that can't.
'True to form, Lafforgue and Voevodsky's mathematical research has no known practical applications' A little over 100 years ago the study of artificial language, number theory, algorithms, etc. were little more than intillectual curiosities. Only in the past 50 years have we seen all these "theoretical" areas of study be thrust into the forefront of science and engineering. It seems a bit pretnentious and short-sighted to ignore discoveries or minimize their importance simply because we haven't learned enough as a society to figure out what those discoveries truly imply. Just mho
What a shitty article!
This is NOT an example of how to translate useful scientific information into journalism that is acceptable to the masses. Yet another telltale sign that professionalism has been overly segregated. No longer is it possible to be a journalism proficient in science and mathematics or a poet-engineer!
I write news for the paper at my University (U of Calgary, Canada)and it the inability of journalists to write about science is consistently shocking. I like to cover a broad range of stories, but because of my academic background, I am often assigned to stories of a scientific nature. Occaisionally, these end up being really important stories that are covered by the international media.
For instance, I covered this story, which was reported by every major new outfit in the country (though I'm not sure if it made it south of the border.
My point (I know it's here somewhere) is that no one has heard about it since the initial press release. Why? Because there was a major flaw that the primary researcher spoke explicitly about at the press conference. Why is this a problem? Because of every story I read in all of Canada, mine was the only one to mention the flaw. In fact, after the press conference a reporter from one of Canada's national television networks (C*C) approached me and said "You shouldn't ask so many confusing questions with big long words because it makes the rest of us look bad." Cripes!
Frankly, we all put way too much stock in the news media. This is a problem that won't be rectified until the owners of newspapers and TV networks wake up and realize that the onus is on them to provide even the most menial of educations to their reporters before sending them out into the fray.
Sorry about the rant,
ws
...Whether my Maker is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting me is another matter.
Churchill
I'm really surprised that only two Fields Medals were awarded this time around- at least three have been awarded every four years since 1974. Is Preda Mihailescu's proof of Catalan's Conjecture considered too recent for consideration? I'd think that sort of thing, combined with his work on noted hot topic primality would make him an attractive candidate.
Of course, I'm sure they are many others who were also very deserving as well. No, I am not Dr. Mihailescu, and have never met him in fact; it's just when I saw that the Fields Medals were awarded, my first thought was, "I wonder if they gave one to that guy who proved Catalan's Conjecture?" As recent as the proof was (considering the slow, careful peer review that accompanies important purported mathematical proofs), I wasn't shocked to not see his named- I was far more surprised that the committee chose to not award the remaining two prizes to anyone.
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well well well, looks like another runner-up in the Fields "I wish that Matt Damon forgot about those lines" will have to be forgone, since there is only one true champion.
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Fields medal winners do have practical applications, like that guy in Good Will Hunting...
He's also a damn cool guy.
:).
We can always count on help from him on the toughest NY Times crossword puzzles, and sometimes he even picks up the tab at our student social nights. Plus, he was too modest to even mention winning this award, so the whole theory group was just as surprised as everyone else when it was announced.
And oh yeah, he's gotten a haircut since the picture on his web page
Not all new math follows the trend from theory to practice. Quite a lot goes the other way. Consider Claude Shannon's mathematical theory of communication. He created it to help reduce static on phone lines, but it turns out to have deep theoretical implications in many fields.
Topology is a psychiatric disorder characterized by the inability to distinguish between a donut and a coffee cup. Some theorists speculate that it may be caused by overexposure to university cafeterias, in which such distinctions are academic at best.
Any one searching for some of Voevodsky's work should look for his name in the UIUC K-theory preprint archive. This paper is a good introduction to his homotopy theory, and if you have access to a research library, you may find a book he recently wrote with Suslin and Friedlander, "Cycles, Transfers, and Motivic Homology."
"Your notation sucks!" -- Serge Lang (1927-2005)
And next year the Abel prize will be awarded for the first time.