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OEone and Open Office Working Together
Mike Potter writes "OEone and OpenOffice.org have announced a new partnership that will see the two groups work together to bring OpenOffice applications to OEone HomeBase and see the Mozilla calendar data integrated into the OpenOffice suite. OEone is hard at work getting a version of HomeBase running on RedHat 7.3 and Mandrake, with help from open source developers."
Yet another Linux desktop environment? We'll have what, GNOME, KDE, HomeBase, and (if it ever gets finished) Enlightenment DR17, and who knows how many others?
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I think OEOne is a pretty slick alternative desktop. And with the addition of OpenOffice.org, the future just seems a litle brighter.
On a side, I think they should not just target a particular distro (i.e., RH and Mandrake) but maybe target LSB? After all Mozilla is supposed to be platform independent, and much more so, Distro idependent.
MozillaZine has an article about this with a few more details.
How about getting OpenOffice to run without segfaulting? It isn't 1.0 yet. The install process is too complicated (and doesn't work), and OpenOffice will faceplant (won't run, install or uninstall) if a Java environment is installed after it is.
And "yeah but it worked for me" is no different than the standard Microsoft tech support answer "it's running on our systems here"
Any program that segfaults is broken. Period. End of story. Programs that segfault make Linux no better than Windows. We use Linux to get some work done, not turn the system into a giant, dependency-drenched nightmare that falls apart at the slightest nudge.
Mozilla doesn't segfault. Abiword doesn't segfault. Gimp doesn't segfault. Let's get to that level of stability first.
OpenOffice needs a LOT of work before adding more cruft.
Pulled off the "about us" section on the OEone web site...
"OEone has applied for seven patents on the company's unique 'balanced processing' architecture to create a barrier-to-entry from vendors using proprietary platforms."
Uhhhh... Yeah. That's interesting. Anybody know anything about this?
More fragmentation of the userbase is not what the linux desktop needs. I really don't have much else to say here, the screenshots leave me speechless -- but not in the good way, more like in a stupified way. I just ask, why??
Berto
A great deal of the useful apps these days are too tightly integrated with one of the major desktops to be useable without them. As a result, I have the vast majority of both KDE and GNOME installed, which seems to be a bit of a waste (I don't have either actual desktop environment, but I have pretty much all the libraries, due to various dependencies). I don't want to have to end up having 1gb of desktop environments.
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I agree with the comment below about poor quality screenshots. I don't get excited over fuzzy, out-of-focus screenshots. This makes it all to easy to hide aspects of the interface that won't sell well, like crappy screen fonts.
With Microsoft's recent withdrawal of the free web fonts, I have to wonder how OEone is going to surmount this particular hurdle easily. And before you start ranting about how the Microsoft EULA allows these fonts to be freely distributed if in their original packaged form, so therefore the fonts will be and still are available, I noticed an article in The Register where the actual license granted to *Microsoft* by the foundaries to use the fonts is only valid if the fonts are used in a *Windows* OS. Any other use is illegal, which is probably the main reason Microsoft withdrew them as free downloads. They weren't being used, nor could they be guarranted to be used only on Windows, which violates Microsoft's license to use and distribute the fonts.
It appears that OEone has solved this particular, ongoing and nagging Linux problem, I guess. I hope. Here's wishing...
Bullfrog
Hope so...
have you submitted a bug report, including the excel file that causes it to crash? This is the way things get fixed. They cannot fix the bug if they don't know about it.
This is really not what we need right now. Previous users have mentioned OpenOffice's current segfaulting behavior. Couple this with patents(!?!?) and you get a product that looks like it came out of Redmond! I'll stick with Moz and OpenOffice as separate applications. I prefer to launce a browser when I want to browse and launch an editor when I want to edit. Did anyone EVER use that silly file desktop in StarOffice 5.2? Right now, my support goes directly to the developers of Moz and OO rather than some patent-filer mooching off of the efforts of Moz's and OO's developers.
But damn again, when will the OSS world learn that you cannot overtake Windows, especially on the desktop, until we have something better than XP? Looking at those fuzzy screens, I almost cringe at the idea of what the fonts look like up close. And i do cringe at the thought of how slow this thing has got to be on less than prime grade hardware.
Seriously, folks, if we really want a peice of the desktop, we have to take Apple's lead and build a new UI. If they can do it, there is no reason OSS can't.
Patents? Do you have references? I haven't heard of any relevant patents.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Sort of like someone complaining that smoking is bad for your health, and you replying "but I've been smoking for 45 years and haven't had any problems". Still doesn't mean smoking isn't bad.
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You do not understand the idea of OSS at all do you? THe idea is that anyone can use it, distribute it, modify it, sell it in somne modified form, or whatever. Tht is what OEone has beeen trying to do. How do you know that OO segfaults on HomeBase? Have you tried it?
Myself? I am using it right now... It has a few slick features, and a few that suck (DHCP support blows with my particula ISP and cable modem). They have taken something that is not supposed to be just a web browser (mozilla), modified it, freely distributed it, with source, as well as offering it for sale. That is the whole idea of OSS.
Hell, mozilla is being sued right now for infringing on the godzilla likeness and trademarked name...
I really like the idea of OEone's desktop. Combining with OpenOffice seems like an excellent idea - both projects should benefit from each other reviewing their products.
Doesn't matter about segfaults - these will get fixed as time passes and as the two projects co-operate. Alternatively submit bug reports yourself.
The recent CNET debacle over will-Apple-or-won't-apple-help-w/OS-X has apparently driven a lot of Mac developers to the site. I've been following the porting mailing list activity a bit (as you can see here, there have been nearly twice as many posts this month as last month), people really seem to be interested in getting this thing working on OS X.
So it looks like there are more than the original two developers on this thing now.
I can't wait...I was thinking for a while that Abiword would have an OS X port first, but now it looks like OO.o has the momentum.
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This is my SIG. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/
And, judging by the license they were licensed under, probably always will be.
Do not spread "09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0" over the internet, thank you.
I personally run Enlightenment 16.5, and don't use either KDE or GNOME, but I still need to have all the KDE and GNOME libraries to run the apps I use. And the libraries (libgnome, libkde, etc.) constitute at least 70% or so of KDE and GNOME's size.
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We are not the center of the universe. We are not typical end-users.
That is all I have to say.
Stop the brainwash
The install process is too complicated (and doesn't work), and OpenOffice will faceplant (won't run, install or uninstall) if a Java environment is installed after it is.
If you are running a source based distro like Source Mage or Gentoo, openoffice is trivial to install:
(If you are using gcc 3.1 or greater and wish to compile with optimizations local to your hardware)
emerge openoffice
(If you are using gcc 2.95, you'll have to install the precompiled binary)
emerge openoffice-bin
The second command exists analogously for Debian, using apt-get. It doesn't get any easier than that.
Any program that segfaults is broken. Period. End of story.
Agreed. You should submit a bug report. I have not experienced any of the seg faults you are describing. Was your binary compiled against a slightly different set of library versions (that is one of the huge disadvantages of binary distributions, and one of the reasons those of us who have switched to source based distros such as Gentoo will never go back).
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