KDE Gets The Hat

minkwe writes "Tension is currently rising between the KDE and GNOME followers, following the release of the new beta to Red Hat's upcoming distribution. Neither group appears to be satisfied with the fact that Red Hat has null-ified the difference between the two desktop environments."

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screenshots

[laserjet]

Here'w a bunch of screenshots from the article to show what they are talking about:


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Re:screenshots

[Nailer]

They don't even have the same window decorations!

Actually, by default, they do. The person that created this screenshots changed the KDE theme from BlueCurve to Keramik.

BlueCurve is a theme for KDE window decoartions, KDE styles, a GTK1 theme, a GTK2 theme, a Metacity theme, and an XMMS theme.

Yay consistency. Better yet, yay Gnome without endless unreadable dark grey/brown icons.

Google Cache

[BoxJockey]

You can find Google's cache of the article HERE.

Re:grrr...

[Anonymous Coward]

From the google cache:

Texstar of pclinuxonline, recently posted a bunch of screenshots from Redhat's 3rd beta release known as null. Redhat has made a huge effort via the use of similar icons and themes to make their packaging of GNOME and KDE resemble each other more closely . What do you think?

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Re:So what?

[Anonymous Coward]

Well, the sequence of events goes roughly like this:

• Article about redhat beta 8.0 appears on pclinuxonline, including screenshots
• Articles pointing to pclinuxonline then appear on both gnomedesktop.org and dot.kde.org.
• The gnomedesktop.org article gets a few people discussing how nice/horrible the new redhat desktop looks and a few mentions of how this will threaten Ximian. dot.kde.org, on the other hand, goes completely ballistic. One KDE developer (Roberto Alsina) posts a message accusing RedHat of being like Stalin because they have changed the icons and moved the "About KDE" boxes. the webmaster of dot.kde.org accuses RedHat of trying to "actively destroy KDE", and on and on and on. Scary stuff from a bunch of loonies.
• gnomedesktop.org story: someone posts a link to the dot.kde.org story, and says that this is why he dislikes KDE... they are bunch of clueless flamers - even the developers. Roberto Alsino upsticks and moves to gnomedesktop.org and proceeds to make a fool of himself by claiming that they are violating the GPL (he hasn't read it, the clueless shit-for-brains, details in the gnomedesktop story) - while being unable to post each message only once. Things rattle on for hundreds of messages with Roberto never gaining anything remotely resembling a clue, and still thinking RedHat is a secret organisation dedicated to the eradication of KDE.
• Slashdot posts link to gnomedesktop.org and blatts it out of existence. You can, however (for the moment), still read the insane ramblings at dot.kde.org. Hold your nose though... there is a strong stench of lunacy about the place.

Re:OK.... focusing on just the themes

[sprzepiora]

As it stated in the foot notes comments, you can change BACK to the default settings with GConf. End of discussion. What they did is do away with the appearance of fragmentation between UI's while leaving the power to switch if you like/know about it, a smart move IMHO.

Re:New meaning to "Red" in Red Hat

[FredGray]

I think I may try Sarge soon.

Be careful: rumor has it that Debian will start migrating to gcc 3.2 soon, so we're probably about to enter one of those periods where "unstable" really means it...

Re:ridiculous

[Genyin]

Neither of these companies violated the GPL in any way
umm... neonapster DID violate the GPL. They provided source, but did not mention anything about GPL in the binaries, at first at least. (in fact, the license for the binaries flagrantly violated GPL, restricting redistribution. etc)

Re:Now they know . . .

[Nailer]

Which Linux kernel developers? When was the lat time they did `this'? How is providing a consistent desktop theme bad? What did Red Hat so with their packacged kernels that was bad?

I can't believe this load of unsupported tripe gets moderated up. If the author had anythign to say I'm sure he'd have provided some supporting arguments, but he's trolling instead.

Re:So what?

[0x0d0a]

You use tabs for *compression*?

If you have a *single* mp3 on your hard drive, you're probably looking at a good 5 million characters blown right there. Text files are not the primary drain on resources any more.

Besides, if you compress your text files, gzipped or whatever, you save more than just using tabs instead of spaces.

Unless I'm missing sarcasm here...

Re:Slashdotted, but GNOME2 *is* leagues better

[jmv]

I know plenty of developers who use GTK 1.x out of licensing issues, when they openly admire Qt but can't touch it.

I thought those issues were fixed about 2 years ago. Heck, even RMS is cool with the QPL, last I checked.

Well it depends what you're talking about. For an open-source developer, there's no problem with Qt. For someone who wants to write a closed-source application, Qt costs a lot of money. Then again, it's fair since Troll Tech has to make money somehow and making Qt GPL was already very nice of them...

Re:Want Linux to be successful -- this is good

[nagora]

All I want is a desktop that does its job -- who cares what it is? A user in an office should never have to care. They should simply be able to use it.

This is what I do:

1. Install WindowMaker
2. Copy over my standard WM setup and icons from one of the other office machines
3. Copy over .xmodmap to change CapsLock to Control and the funny menu key to CapsLock
4. Show desktop to new employee and say "The function keys take you from screen 1 to screen 10, the number's in the top left. Screen 2 has Opera, Netscape and Mozilla [points to icons] so you can use whichever you like. This icon is Pan which lets you read newsgroups. Screen 3 is for graphics: that's Sketch, the Gimp and GQView. Screen 4 has Open Office and Acrobat Reader and screen 5 is music players; that's a cd player and that's an Ogg/mp3 player. The email program is on the right under the calculator. Any questions?"

Generally speaking that's all anyone needs to be told about the desktop.

TWW