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Pentium 4 2.8GHz
DigitaBiscuit writes "The new 2.8GHz Pentium 4 has been officially launched by Intel today.
Sporting a 533MHz System Bus, this new P4 looks to put the hurt on AMD's new Athlon XP 2600+. Benchmarks and a full review with
performance versus AMD's new chip,
can be found here." The NDAs must be expiring today, since we already have another review submitted as well.
My next prediction: AMD will release a processor that's even faster! Nobody will expect that one.
;-)
Distant future (more than one week): Intel will release a processor that's faster than that one!
What if the video chipset industry was the same way? Whoa.
Learn your gambling terms, kids, or they'll laugh you out of Vegas.
-Kevin
You know, system speed is not all about what frequency your CPU is clocked at. The memory system (FSB speed, cache size) matters too!
This is, IMHO, what all these benchmarks show. It is no surprise that a Pentium FSB running at 533 MHz can beat an Athlon with a FSB at 266 MHz. I'm actually more impressed that the Athlon managed to beat the Pentium on some benchmarks.
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That is the oldest line in the book. Historically it has been proven resoundingly wrong. Apps use new power and resources and new applications are enabled by faster CPUs and more memory. People have been saying "we don't need this much power" since the 486DX 20MHz, and how many people use those today? Damned few. Get over it, stuff gets faster and people keep buying the stuff and developers write their applications for the newer stuff.
I'm sorry (not), but I should NEVER have to wait for anything. Not with a P4 2.x Mirkwood. Or AMD 2xxx+ GTZ. I want instant reaction like Beos had. On my pentium 225. Click, Click. Off I go.
Hard drives are fast(?) and cheap, but still saddled with the bloat code that gets written for this new stuff.
OT, but I would like to see an office suite written by John Carmack. That would rule. Misspelled words would have 3d blood dripping out of them, and fast, fast, fast.
Ok. Time for sleem.p
If voting were effective, it would be illegal by now.
I knew that my P200 was getting old when they released this newfangled "AGP" slot. And I realized that it was obsolete when GHz processors started coming out. But approaching 3 GHz?!? That's just rubbing salt in the wound.
Good article with benchmarks over at Aces Hardware
What I like is how the AMD 2600+ is very close on most games either 1-2FPS behind or ahead, and the 2800+ isnt out yet. Go AMD! P4 2.8 $570 or AMD 2600+ $265
Well if I was going to put together a fast desktop system, I can tell you it wouldn't be built around an Intel Pentium 4 Processor (insert jingle here) - as far as I am concered, Intel price their CPU's so far off the scale it isn't true. Add to that the fact that AMD's processors no longer have issues with stability or floating point speed (like the old K6/K6-2) - I cant see any reason to buy such a top of the line Intel chip unless you were absolutely *desperate* to eek every last drip of performance out of a system. But at 2.6GHz and beyond, people aren't really counting - right?
The thing that bugs me is still the stigma attached to AMD.. its similar to the old 'No one got fired for buying IBM' - it is the same with Microsoft, and the same with Intel. People still avoid AMD because they consider them to be inferior..
"Hey! Unless this is a nude love-in, get the hell off my property!!"
fyi, gentoo packages are actually source based and are compilied automatically when installed to avoid rpm hell. Hmm lets upgrade to gcc31?.. this took litterally 2 days on my pIII.
Crickeys! You sure you are not running out of memory? I have a 500MHz AMD, (but with 384 megs RAM) and have never complained (I did when I only had 128 megs)! Of course, I used debian, and so don't have to compile from source often, but still, 2 days? Mozilla only took me a couple of hours, last time I tried it.
Hell, I would get sick of things after a day and kill the compilation -- the kernel didn't even take a day to compile on my 486 with 8 megs RAM.
I'm sure most peoples speed problems would be neutralised by them installing a decent window manager instead of the KDE or GNOME crap. I don't beleieve it takes ~30 seconds to start KDE on a top of the line workstation these days. FVWM took about 3 seconds on my 486 (and is there instantly on my ~500MHz laptop and desktop)!
Just think of it this way... If I was to UNDER-clock this processor to your speed (400MHz) it would run so cool that it would actually ABSORB HEAT!!! Take THAT, all you physists!
But seriously though, I'm running a 750MHz Athlon system myself. I had to upgrade from my 233 because I just couldn't watch any videos at that speed. Now, I'm resonably happy with 750MHz, but I would like to upgrade. I'd like to get a fast processor and underclock it so my system doesn't run at 150F degrees (underclock a fast processor enough, and you wouldn't even need a fan). I'd also like a faster processor just so I can do thing like encode DivX at a reasonable speed, and compile Mozilla in under a month.
Which brings us to the biggest issue. So many people jump on the upgrade bandwagon because many programmers are using up ungodly ammounts of CPU and Memory. It's relatively few causing the problems, but for Unix, programs like Mozilla are practically required. So, even surfing the web brings my 750 to it's knees. Hopefully the Dillo project will add the handful of needed features to their browser soon, and I'll be able to trash Mozilla, and be happy with my 750 again.
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Just think of it this way... If I was to UNDER-clock this processor to your speed (400MHz) it would run so cool that it would actually ABSORB HEAT!!! Take THAT, all you physists!
:-P
Hmmmm...a P4-based air conditioner....
My journal has hot
I'm sure that the biggest issue isn't with memory, but is due to the fact that with Gentoo, you compile *all* of your software from scratch. It is very time consuming, but is worth it to some people.
:)
Normal Linux distributions can make due on just about any old Pentium class CPU, as long as they have sufficient RAM... But Gentoo, needs a fast CPU, if you want it to compile before you grow old and die.
Who cares that their processor is inefficient, poorly designed, and expensive? Not the ones who buy it certainly; there is a market fpor it, and they should not be penalised for serving their market - they are a business after all.
For all those arguing that these tests ar 'not fair' (memory, RAMBUS, blah, blah, blah) - you are missing the point. Boo hoo, they are using different equipment; I could equallly argue that AMD is shooting itself in the foot for not utilising the fastest memory architecture available. For most people, 700 or 800 MHz is more than necessary to do almost anything - above that only specialised areas will see any real benefit. Is it really any benefit to be able to play games at 32 bit compared to 24? Can you actually tell the difference at speed? Isn't it more to do with the graphics card anyway? Scientific applications, yes - these can be markedly improved with faster processors. But most readers here do not work in a render farm in Hollywood.
But back to the original point, we shouldn't be so aggressive towards them just because of who they are. They are serving a market, doing if very successfully, and for those people who do have $$$/£££ to spend, they represent the maximum performance. I will continue to buy AMD because I think they give more value, and my XP 1500+, although now slow compared to newer processors, is far faster than I need, even for compiling Mozilla or running KDE3, WinXP or Serious Sam 2. But that doesn't mean I should refuse to talk to people with an Intel chip in their machine.
And don't mod this down as flame/troll just because you disagree -use your points properly and mod up someone you agree with. And stop being small minded too...
This idea was invented by Shampoo.
According to them, "older legacy code based applications" are applications without Pentium 4 optimizations.
Will we ever get reviewers that aren't incredibly biased... and stupid? Of course P4s do better on software with P4 optimization! And software w/o it isn't "older legacy software"... it's software that isn't written to favor a particular chip in the marketplace...
Gotta love it.
-jbn
The P4 was designed to get the most performance out of whatever process it was fab'ed on. If you look at the results, by and large they succeeded. Sure the PIII is more efficient, but at 180 nm, they could only be clocked reliably up to about 1.1 GHz. The P4 hit 2 GHz. On 130 nm, the PIII tops out at ~1.4 GHz, the P4 is up to 2.8 Ghz, and will probably top out at 3 - 3.4 GHz. So, is a P3 running at 1.5GHz "better" than a P4 running at 3 GHz because it does more work per clock? Your argument assumes that you could run a P3 at the same clock speed as a P4 - it can't.
The funny thing is, Intel also makes one of the highest IPC (and highest performing) processors currently available, the Itanium II. For floating point code, it has the highest IPC of any processor currently avaialble. At 1 GHz it's floating point performance is just a smidge under IBM's Power4 running at 1.3 GHz. It's integer performance isn't too much under the latest P4/AthlonXP procs - and it's only running at 1 GHz!!! Does anyone on /. laud Intel for making such an efficient processor? No, they bitch and moan about how the P4 is so "inefficient" and how uber cool AMD is for releasing fast processors really cheaply.
Here's a thought, maybe they sell Athlons really cheaply because the HAVE to, not because WANT to. Companies don't lose money because they're trying to be nice to their customers. The best price/performance option in *any* industry is almost never with the market leader, because the people trying to catch up will trade profits for market share. So, I guess in the end, yay for competition (just try not to be so biased, open your mind).
Dan