Pentium 4 2.8Ghz Review

Alex Behrens writes "Hardware-Unlimited, part of the 3D-Unlimited Network, has posted a review of the Pentium 4 2.8Ghz! The review includes all the latest benchmarks and information about the final Pentium 4 processor before we hit the 3Ghz mark. Check it out!"

Comments

2.8GHz! Already?

[brejc8]

It was only a few ours that I heard intel were releasing a errrmm.. 2.8GHz chip

Patience

[chill]

Reviews of hardware come from pretty much the same half-dozen review sites every time. How about this idea?

When a review of a "new release" hits one site, wait 24 hours for all of them to release reviews then link it in one article?

You could even time it, considering many of the sites do "previews" that say something along the lines of "the NDA will expire on XX/YY, until then..." Sort of gives you a clue when the full review is coming out.

Jumped the shark

[shird]

Slashdot jumped the shark when;

(a) When they switched to a "pay for no ads" service
(b) When they posted a dupe story within a six hour period
(c) When they started displaying those huge ads
(d) When they started showing MS ads in those banners

Redundancy

[fizban]

I can understand if Slashdot needs to flaunt its redundant, fail-proof system of posting, but jeez, we only need to see the redundant systems when the primary ones fail... Stop the double posting, already!

The whole problem here is that Taco doesn't read his own site anymore. He just assumes that whatever he posts coudln't possibly have been put up already by anyone else. If you disagree with me, just look back at all the redundant posts in the past and you'll notice that the second poster is always the supreme leader himself...

Ghz != GHz

[brejc8]

GHz is the correct.
One of the got it right.

Re:Ghz != GHz

[brejc8]

You cant beat these thinkpad keyboards.

Re:Ghz != GHz

[brejc8]

What is a hz?
I was told it was something like a hezla

Intel no longer loves MS?

[n-baxley]

It seems to me that processor speeds have relly shot up in the last 6 months. Before, there was always a nice tie between the advances in processor speed and the extra needs of Windows. This arrangment worked well for both parties in that everyone felt they had to have both to be right with the world. Has Intel (and AMD) now said to heck with MS we're going to put all the speed we can into our machines? Or, are we seeing a MHz race between Intel and AMD? With a viable competitor, Intel can no longer trickle out improvments at their own pace, they have to deal with someone else matching and exceeding their pace. What does this bode for the future of processors?

Re:Intel no longer loves MS?

[ostiguy]

The cpu race is as competitive as it has even been - AMD makes great product, Intel has been forced to keep up. Intel has done a good job of really tweaking out the p4 to continually boost raw mhz, as well as little tweaks here and there. Currently intel is probably ahead because it appears they can push the p4 a lot further than amd can the athlon cores

Windows hasn't dramatically required much more CPU - ram has been more critical. You can run both nt 4 and 2k (and I think xp) on as little as a pentium 133- but nt 4 will run decently with 64mb ram, whereas 128mb ram is a more comfortable minimum for win2k.

It's obvious why the story was posted again!!!

[kvn299]

They forgot the exclamation !! points in the first one!!!!

Re:Can we say DUPLICATE?

[AlgUSF]

Actually that would be 2,800,000,000 times/sec. You are still running at 2.8Mhz it seems... :-)

A New Pentium 4 Processor?

[Mupp252]

You mean Intel has a 2.8 GHz processor out? Sorry, I'm a little slow.

Double posting faster than ever

[Cyclone66]

Clearly they used a Pentium 4 (jingle) to double post this quick!

Intel announces new processor

[Anonymous Coward]

Today, Intel proudly announced their new dual Pentium 2.8GHz processors.

More reviews

[MagPulse]

Even more than from my post in the last story...

• [H]ard|OCP Intel Pentium 4 @ 2.80GHz : Intel is breaking out the big guns with their sights set directly on the competition. Will the 2.80GHz Northwood be enough for Intel to hold onto the performance crown?
• Anandtech Intel's Pentium 4 2.80GHz - Moving to the Head of the Class
• Tom's Hardware Speed Isn't Everything: P4/2800 Meets Athlon XP 2600+
• Ace's Hardware Faster Still: The 2.8 GHz Pentium 4
• FiringSquad Intel Pentium 4 2.8GHz Review
• Hexus.net Intel Pentium 4 2.8GHz Review
• SimHQ.com Intel "Northwood" 2.80GHz Pentium 4 Processor using .13 Technology
• Tech Report Intel's Pentium 4 2.8GHz processor - Two billion eight-hundred thousand hertz
• Hot Hardware The Pentium 4 2.8GHz Processor - Intel ups the anti once again
• xbit labs Intel Pentium 4 2.8GHz against Athlon XP 2600+
• VR Zone Intel Fastest Pentium 4 2.8Ghz Review
• HardcoreWare A Thorn in AMD's Hide
• Lost Circuits Pentium4 2.8 GHz - Another Hit And Run

Re:More reviews

[Jugalator]

In other words - read one per day, and you'll have P4 2.8 GHz reviews for two weeks.

Re:Gues that the

[Jugalator]

Yeah, they'll probably be much happier with the discussion in this one. :-)

read 42.8 GHz

[earthpig]

i miss read the heading. i thought they had come out with a fster chip.

i need to get some sleep.

tip for slashdot editors

[bob@dB.org]

check out slashdot.org before you post a story.

Re:tip for slashdot editors

[garcia]

they just wanted to make sure we "heard it here first!"

Error in the first paragraph

[crumbz]

Umm...the article makes a rather curious statement about Moore's Law.

12 months ago - 2.0GHZ
Now - 2.8GHz
Fairly soon - 3.0 GHZ

Where is Moore's Law? How does fairly soon translate to 4GH?

Re:Error in the first paragraph

[chabotc]

Ps, please note that the Moore's Law referes to the doubling of the transistor count for every said period; And _NOT_ the increase of the number of ticks per second (Hz).. This is a common mistake, but an important difference

(look at it this way, if you doubled the number of transistors on a P4, you could theoreticly do twice the amount of actions per clock tick.. so it's theoreticly twice as fast without increasing the amount of Hz)

basic math

[jrennie]

Just started reading the review and noticed this paragraph:

It's been nearly one year to the day since we first eyed the Pentium 4 running at 2.0Ghz, which debuted on August 27, 2001, and today we are testing the new Pentium 4 2.8Ghz. According to Moore's law, Intel is ahead of the schedule to double processing power every 18 months and if all goes according to plan we should be toying with a processor above to the 3Ghz mark before long.

Sorry for my ignorance, but when did 3GHz become twice as fast as 2GHz? According to 2.0GHz and 2.8GHz point estimates, Intel should hit 4.0GHz about a year from now (2.8*(2.8/2.0)=3.92). A little slower than Moore's law predicts...

Jason

Re:basic math

[Alizarin Erythrosin]

Moore's law only applies to the number of transistors, not the actual clock speed as a result of the number of transistors.

And as we all know, processor clock speed does not mean a faster processor.

Re:basic math

[Peyna]

or that moore's law only had to do with the number of processors, and isn't a law, just a statement about the state of the growth of things at the time. Moore's law is more of a self-fulfilling prophecy than anything.

Re:A first

[den_erpel]

Last week the same about the US Rocket (forgot the name).

Be careful in pointing it out though, or you might be issued a "flame bait"

--
:wq

Re:Bug in 2.8Ghz

[The Dobber]

Does that mean we'll have a third P4 2.8 article today?

grousing about duplicate stories

[circletimessquare]

c'mon folks, this info is important...
i mean, just look at the kind of info we get from page 5 of the linked review:

The video card is still throttling the higher resolutions...
blah blah blah...
We are also nearing 300 frames per second at the lowest resolutions...
blah blah blah, wait for it, because the paragraph ends...
meaning that the Pentium 4 running at 2.8Ghz is really fast.

i mean c'mon folks, could you make it through the day without this kind of insightful, probing journalism?

i expect this kind of devastating information to be important to us on slashdot! ;-P

Jumped the shark - defined

[tiltowait]

To have "jumped the shark" pretty much means to have "gone to hell" - based on a Happy Days show where Fonzie waterski-jumped a shark. The show was pretty much game over from then on. More definition and I'll also bet the above poster reads Boondocks.

Re:Jumped the shark - defined

[Yunzil]

To have "jumped the shark" pretty much means to have "gone to hell"

Mmmm, not quite. The point at which something has jummped the shark is that precise moment where you know that the 'golden days' are over. You know that from that point, it's all downhill.

There's a good web site about jumping the shark as applied to TV shows here.

Not awake yet

[robson]

42.8 Ghz?!? Holy crap!

Oh... wait... never mind.

Re:Memory and system bus

[taxman_10m]

So the geeky chicks will come over your house to play with your computer?

Re:Not awake yet... damn it.

[robson]

42.8 Ghz?!? Holy crap!

Oh... wait... never mind.

Great. Thanks to Taco, I unwittingly produced a redundant post: " Did any other late-night owls..."

Don't believe the hype -- duplicate stories are NOT a victimless crime!

How did they get one???

[TibbonZero]

Yea, how did they get one so fast, reviewed it, et al, when it just was released. Damn, and people say I sit hitting refresh on ./ too much.
How about camping at the chip store or waiting for the UPS man all night just to get the chip and test it to see if it's really faster than the 2.6 ghz. OF course it's gonna be faster. When was the last time that you saw a nonoverclocked chip of slower speed beat the newer one?

Re:How did they get one???

[dciman]

How about the Pentium III compared to the pentium IV?? ;-)

They broke 1 ghz???

[TibbonZero]

Huh? I still have two Pentium 3 850mhz computers...
What ? They broke 1 ghz?
They have 2.0 ghz?
Huh? A 2.8ghz?!?!?! Where have I been?

You would think they way they do these benchmarks that you really need 200+ FPS in Quake 3 at 1600*1200@32 with everything to the max.
I still have a 486 running Linux around here to use as a beast for some things.

Re:They broke 1 ghz???

[TibbonZero]

I was joking about how hard it was to keep up with the new chips that are coming out. I know that the processor power will be able to be fully used someday soon, but for now it's just marketing for the most part. I mean most people's 2.0ghz machines that they buy at Walmart run about the same speed as the 500mhz ones that they bought a few years ago, but now they put Weatherbug, Bonzi Buddy, IM, etc.. on it and slow it down so much. People think 'oh that's faster, I should buy that' When really all they have to do is optimize their system.

Example: On dorm last year, I had my little mear P3 850 with a TNT2 Ultra 32mb. Yea, it sucks but I am a musician, not a gamer so I don't really care. Well, anyway, alot of people had 'new' computers that were supposed to be so fast and good. Well most of them came with 128mb memory. A few had 256, but they had to ask for it 'special'. In all seriousness, the amount of memory should double every 18 months as well, or at least ever 24 months. Anyway, Their computers ran like crap. They didn't have newer drivers, they didn't set up their systems right, they ran WinME, and they still thought that they got a good deal. When really they should have spent 1/3rd of what they did, gotten an older system, and kept it clean and optimized. I saw people get between 300-700 on 3dMark 2001. WTF is that? My system was beating most by 3-5x that! After I sat down with some of their systems and worked on them a bit I was able to improve them, but not totally.

They were sold on chip speed, nothing else. They thought that the fastest chip would mean the fastest computer. All those crap OEM compenents, cheap video, cheap mobo, cheap memory. I would rather have an old system that's good, than a new one that sucks.

Think for a second, what if, they stopped increasing the chip speed. Then what would happen? 2 things. Programmers would have to get efficiant with things that they are slack on (MSFT OSes), and computer sales would actually start looking at other stuff. No longer would they sell systems with 64mb or 128mb of memory. 512-1gb would be standard. Good system boards and cases would be defacto. Good powersupplies. Good cooling.
Selling on processor is like selling a car based on HP only. Remember that there is Torque too, and HP/Weight ratio, as well as handling, stability, acceleration, top speed, gearing, etc... And some people want it to be comfortable to ride in and efficiant too!!
Sorry if the joke wasn't apparent.

Re:They broke 1 ghz???

[Elbereth]

Yeah, I'm not so sure that consumer systems really need to be faster than 300 MHz, maybe 600 MHz at max. If you're a gamer, programmer, or power user, then, yeah, you'll want to have as much processing power as possible. For a long time, my dad was sadled with a 450 MHz Pentium II, which slowed down his compiles monstrously. After much complaining, the company finally bought him a new Pentium 4. Unfortunately, I think it was a low-end Pentium 4, but it's still lightyears better than his ancient Pentium II. I would have pushed for a dual Xeon, myself.

I just recently bought a Tyan Tiger MPX and two 1.2 GHz Athlon MPs. I didn't want to spend the big bucks on 1.5 or 1.6 GHz Athlon MPs, since I'd probably see very little speed improvement over the incremental speed bumps -- not to mention saving myself over $100 on each processor.

Warning: Slashdot karma shortage!

[billbaggins]

SLASHDOT (AP) -- In response to what is being described as a "severe shortage" in the global karma pool, CmdrTaco and other Slashdot administrators are taking the unprecedented step of deliberately posting duplicate, pointless, and just-plain-stupid stories, with a goal of encouraging slashdotizens to increase their output of "Redundant", "Flamebait", and "Troll" posts.

"It's about all we can do right now," CmdrTaco said in an interview Monday morning. "We're hoping to get a new shipment of karma in within the next few days, but until then we're gonna have to just keep posting trollbait." Mr. Taco refused to comment on rumors that the low-quality postings were in any way related to the recent spate of coffee-machine breakdowns at slashdot.

Stay tuned for further developments.

Taco's was really first

[unsinged int]

Michael apparently had some success with this http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/08/2 4/1921239&mode=thread&tid=134

Re:Where are the Athlons?

[jpmorgan]

They aren't. AMD made a paper release: they claimed the chip had been released to try to one-up Intel, but they won't be ready to put it into production until sometime next month; this is the exact same trick Intel used to pull when it was P3 vs. Athlon (of course, the zealots who used to whine a bitch then are notably quiet now).

Of course, most rational people ignore such 'releases' as marketting gimmicks whether they be prepetrated by Intel or AMD; the real release of the AthlonXP 2400+ and 2600+ won't be until next month. AMD's lost the speed game... until next quarter when it releases the hammers. Whoopdedo. I'm sure /. will celebraet.

Dual P4s?

[meehawl]

For a system that I use for work - rather than games - I'm more interested in load balancing between multiple CPUs. I know I can get a dual Athlon system that will give me a smooth ride even during heacy operating load. Can I get a dual P4 system as easily?

Sweet

[whoop]

Damn, now I can't wait for the 2.85ghz cpu reviews! I only hope it's at least 1.75% better than these 2.8ghz ones.

Unanticipated Side Effect

[fhqwhgads]

This just in...

Sources are reporting that a recent attempt to slow the depletion of the karma pool at Slashdot have proven unsuccessful. Internal audits leaked to this station have revealed that, in fact, karma utilization has risen in the past hours.

One person close to the Slashdot team has stated: "We thought that the moderators would realize that the posts would be perfect fodder for modding down. Unfortunately, we were wrong."

In addition to many people modding comments highlighting the duplicate postings up, there have been unconfirmed reports of cross-posting of ideas getting modded up. If these reports are true, it is still to be seen whether this represents a duplication of ideas or an intentional abuse of the system.

Re:Douuuuuuuuuble POSTINGS!!

[Sj0]

Wouldn't it be GH(ertz) = Gh(ertz)?

now... uGhz would be different!(and would confuse the hell out of people!)

Re:Douuuuuuuuuble POSTINGS!!

[Sj0]

Mine too was a joke. MicroGigahertz. Wacky. Strange. Try figuring out how many zeroes one uGhz vs. one hz would have and where. It hurts my brain.

How about reinstating M1 and M2 privs?

[0x0d0a]

Since it seems that Slashdot editors aren't perfect either, how about reinstating M1 and M2 privs to those of us who lost their privs in the Great Censored Thread fiasco?

Re:Douuuuuuuuuble POSTINGS!!

[Shanep]

Note the capital H. Brings up a question, which way is correct? I've always done Ghz, but have seen GHz also.

Since Hertz is a unit of measurement named after the German physicist who was the first to produce electromagnetic waves artificially, it should be capitalized.

And I really hate with a passion, seeing m where M should be, considering m is 1,000,000,000 times smaller than M.