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Scientists Discover What Makes Geckos Stick
Scratch-O-Matic writes "This story at CNN explains how gecko feet are sticky due to an electro-mechanical phenomenon rather than a chemical glue, as had been previously assumed. The gecko is one of just a few animals capable of climbing vertical and beyond-vertical surfaces that are smooth and dry. Researchers have discovered that the secret to the adhesion lies in millions of tiny hairs called
'setae.' Each hair is the width of two human hairs, and contains about 1000 little pads at the end. The pads are so tiny that they actually cling to the surface at the molecular level, due to van der Waal forces. A gecko using all of its setae and pads at the same time could support 280 pounds. Seems to me that his should be easily replicated in the coming age of nanotechnology." Other readers point to the AP story, as carried by Yahoo! and also playing at Salon.
This study sponsored by the "The Association For Producing Low Cost Sticky Notes".
I'd imagine we could put the sticky note out of business if we could get markers to write on geckos with......
Boy! the mental picture of a gecko 'supporting' 280 pounds is not a pretty one. Poor little geckos..
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Researchers have discovered that the secret to the adhesion lies in millions of tiny hairs called 'setae.' Each hair is the width of two human hairs, and contains about 1000 little pads at the end
Wait... each hair is twice as thick as a human hair, AND each Gecko has MILLIONS of them? Wouldn't a gecko need to be the size of a boar to have that much hair?
Very timely... Read about this in Scientific American over a year ago! Takes awhile for scientific knowledge to disseminate I guess.....
All I need to climb walls are hairy palms? I'll get right on that!
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One my profs works on geckos, he was telling me that even dead geckos stick to walls. Fun for the whole family!
This has been known about since 2000 at least; we used to have endless discussions over the fact that geckos have the impressive ability to stick to ceilings in a vacuum, discussions on topics such as:
a) how did they find out the details? Did it involve a research assistant, a glass container, a vacuum pump and a large supply of geckos?
b) How did Geckos evolve this feature? Are geckos secretly descended from a life form that can stick to the outside of space craft?
c) Alternatively, does this prove that creatures are designed rather than evolved, and the design process is a bit more like the PhD process than anything else; some little godling spends millenia working on geckos in order to submit some paper 'An alternative mechanism for achieving stickiness in creatures' only to have it discredited by a board of professors who have always used suction and thats how they believe all creatures should stick.
The 280 lb gecko they used for the experiment simply asked for more donuts when questioned about the validity of the scientists claims.
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This is ancient - see The BBC for starters.
The LENGTH of the hair is twice as thick as a human hair.....
Stick some Big Red in your eye and 'read a little closer'.
Honesty may be the best policy, but apparently by elimination, dishonesty is the second best policy.
Why is everyone reporting this like it was just discovered?
BBC covered it over two years ago.
Probably what happened is that a major news service hired a new reporter who heard something cool and decided to write about it. But he didn't know it was old news. Like little robots, every other newspaper in the country picked up the story and published it This kind of thing happens with just about every story. It's almost like we have one giant national newspaper.
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
I just love my Tokay Gecko. It's as mean as it can be. The Tokay is the pit-bull of geckos.
I had a bad roach problem. I did'nt want to use pesticides in my home so a friend recommended a Tokay. I was open to all options so I bought a Tokay and let it loose in my home.
The roaches were gone in two days. It was lovely. I would wake up at night turn the lights on and see my little guy on a wall somewhere.
It did such a good job eating roaches that it eventually ran out of food. I had to catch it (not easy since it put up a good fight) and put in a terrarium where it happily eats crickets.
I love my little guy.
Here is a picture I took of my little buddy.
They figured how Gecko's stick to glass surfaces, but they never figured out how they let go! Another fifty years of research to figure that out...sheesh!
Some simple instrumentation with a web-based interface to the DCS?
It's been a long time.
The same scientist made the anouncment 2 years ago, although one of the articles gets his name backwards. At the BBC they call him Autumn Kellar, and at CNN they call him Kellar Autumn. I don't know which way is backwards.
I want to cling to hot classmates celings!
I live in a giant bucket.
If memory serves it's van der Waals.
It's an ultra-short range stickiness that applies to just about any material.
Anybody with a physics degree will be horrified by this explanation, but conceptually imagine two neutral atoms, really close. Imagine that atom A momentarily has more of its electron cloud on the side away from atom B. Then atom A will look slightly positive to atom B. A positive charge attracts electrons, so atom B's electron cloud gets redistributed toward atom A. Atom B now looks slightly negative, keeping A's electrons (better, A's electron probability distribution (better yet, we should be talking complex amplitudes and energy values)) on the far side from B.
Corrections and clarifications to the above are entirely welcome.
* Hands with non-slip grip. (To add this feature to your future child, select option 567B on the manipulators submenu. Special price of $433.34 for the next 10 minutes.)
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* Fasteners on living, plant-based clothing. (Anyone remember the ads for the "Playtex Living Bra?" This one has a clasp the most determined teenage boy can't pry off!)
* Biologically based near-future equivalent of a Velcro Wall. You don't need a suit . .
* Security floors. Intruders walk on but they can't walk off!
What's this? Mozilla climbs walls now?
:)
Time to get a new nightly build!
(Yes, I'm aware Gecko is just the rendering engine!
How to stick turtles to the ceiling?
JET Program: see Japan, meet intere
Lab equipment for studying herpi-podiatry: $68,000
Salaries for scientists and lab assistants: $230,000
Ticket to "Spiderman": $8.50
The fact that this was discovered only after getting the idea from the Spiderman movie: priceless.
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I see absolutely zero value in this article's "discovery" -- this is EXACTLY what I was told by my chemistry professor last January. This is not new news, or perhaps maybe my professor could forecast the future or something. If Slashcode had a file attachment feature I'd even attach the PowerPoint slide specifically describing the intermolecular forces involved in Gecko feet.
Agreed... I live in Costa Rica.. and the Geckos are there every night when I come home, just hanging out on or near the ceiling.
I figure they can hang out all they want.. they eat bugs, and they don't get into the food.
Besides, they are almost impossible to catch.
Some nights the outside of my house is almost swarming with them (okay exaggeration, but if I take a walk with the flashlight, I can usually find at least 10 on the outside of the house without trying)
Now.. if I can just figure out what that weird lizard that lives in the tree is..
I first noticed this on cnn's frontpage.
/. for "gecko" and showed me that this is old news (June 2000) found here.
Searched
3 of the 5 'related articles' submitted by posters there are old enough to be broken (cnn/msnbc/EurekAlert). The two that work (and expose how old the story REALLY is) are this and this. The dates for these are June 8th 2000 and June 7th 2000.
It looks like nothing has changed since then wrt the research. About the only thing I see different is that Spiderman wasn't in fashion 2 years ago. Seems like hype instead of real news. I guess it's a slow day if every news-organization thinks it's ready for re-print.
This is not my sig.
It's the way the pads are angled, and the angle of attack/release that they use.
Like velcro.. peel it from one side, it doesn't take much force, try to move it all at once, it can take literally TONS of force.
Apparently the story is better the second time around.
For all those wondering why this subject suddenly returned to the limelight, it's due to a paper realased today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (or pnas for those in the know).
Here's a link to the Autumn, et al. article, entitled "Evidence for van der Waals adhesion in gecko setae".
Was science fiction: now biology.
Basically the fluctuation causes a temporary dipole, which induces a complementary dipole in the neighboring atom, which causes the usual dipole-dipole attraction (but on a much weaker scale than when there are actual permanent dipoles, like with water).
Some additional explanation with some diagrams is available here.
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
Van der Waals' forces in gecko feet have been known about for a fair while now, at least two years because I remember explaining it to my (now 12yo) daughter when we [images roughly 500kB apeice] saw some geckos at Wyloo Station during a trip in June 2000, and this article was published in December 2000, referring to papers and articles from June 2000.
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No, my bad. Slashdot posted my synopsis verbatim...I messed up the width/length description.
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I would like to do gekko experiments at home; right now, I'm using industrial magnets.
Any chance someone could post a link to the most recent "setae at home" clients?
Thanks in advance,
-- Terry
Um...
I think if you do (ahem) that so much, it'll be your wife climbing the walls.
If the forces in use are only Van der Waals, and these forces are present everywhere, what makes geckos, or rather their little hairs, special so that their molecules can stick to walls and mine can't?
:).
If I understand correctly, it's because the hairs and pads are arranged so that the sticky pads can follow surface curvature down to a near-molecular level.
Most surfaces, even ones that are polished smooth, are very rough on a small scale. This roughness is actually fractal; it's not just one level of coarseness (like sandpaper), it's coarseness on many scales. Match it on one scale, and the next step finer still keeps most of the surface away from you.
So, if you put your finger on a surface, you're still not touching much of the surface, even if you press quite hard. This limits the amount of van der Waals adhesion you can get (as the effect happens over molecular distances).
A thin film of water or oil can fill the crevases and make the bonding much stronger, if you want to try sticking your fingers to things. Don't try hanging off the ceiling, though
Disclaimer: This explanation could be completely wrong. It's just the most plausible one I can think of.
May be closer than he thinks.
If your bitterest enemies are people who hack the heads off civilians, then I would say you're doing something right.
Just in case anyone didn't know,
gecko (gk)
n. pl. geckos or geckoes
Any of various usually small tropical and subtropical lizards of the family Gekkonidae, having toes padded with setae containing numerous suction cups that enable them to climb on vertical surfaces.
This story is just not going to stick.
Table-ized A.I.
I noticed that if I farted hard enough, my room-mates somehow found a way to climb and stick to the far corner of the room.
Table-ized A.I.
Oops, forgot the details. Hook a vacuum cleaner up to the DCS.
There. Forgot half the punchline, but meh...
It's been a long time.
Patient:
Hey doc...
Surgeon:
What seems to be the problem?
Patient:
Well, I got this gecko... (pointing to bum)
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A thin film of water or oil can fill the crevases and make the bonding much stronger, if you want to try sticking your fingers to things.
Ah HAH!! That's how Dr. Hfuhruhurr was able to lick his hands and stick to the wall in "The Man With Two Brains" - I always thought it was a suction effect, but it must have been Van der Waals forces.
Hey kids, there's only 5 days left 'til Yak Shaving Day!
It's good to see someone at my old alma mater Lewis & Clark College making some headlines. Just to prolong the slashdotting, here are some cool microscopic photos and a QT movie of gecko foot hairs and microsensors.
Ah HAH!! That's how Dr. Hfuhruhurr was able to lick his hands and stick to the wall in "The Man With Two Brains" - I always thought it was a suction effect, but it must have been Van der Waals forces.
;).
It was probably suction. And also probably Movie Physics
Van der Waals forces are very weak (even hydrogen bonding). If Dr. H. could pull the same trick in vacuum, it might be van der Waals, but in air you're much better off just forming a partial vacuum by force and letting air pressure hold you in place.
Water just helps you get a better seal for this.
...no wonder the damned things always tear in two when I try to do pull-ups on them. The setae can support 280lbs, but the rest of their bodies are woefully underdesigned for that kind of load.
-b
Man that is a hilarious statement.... very 'keen'. Though I wonder what that implies about the size of his unit... and it kind of makes me cringe to think about all that sticky 'fluid' he sprays everywhere.
A fool throws a stone into a well and a thousand sages can not remove it.
Maybe, just maybe my childhood dream of being a friendly neighborhood spiderman will come true.
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It seems likely to me that someone is using a news crawler to catch information about Mozilla, and just happened to 'catch' this story.
It is more interesting than most news about Mozilla, I must say.
Amazing magic tricks
I finally came up with a good use for those spyware products like DragNet and Carnivore. Instead of using their powers for evil, use them for good. Have them digest the Slashdot archives (at a gigabit per second, should only take a few years :) and whenever a new submission comes along, have them use their heuristics to see if it matches old stories!
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
1) Geckos can support up to 250lbs with these little hairs
2) Geckos stick even after death
Why do we need nanotechnology, why not just make "Gecko Gloves" and stick to things ala-spiderman?
Duh. My cat does this already, all I need to do is look for it when I'm shaving and can't find a towel ;-)
Discovery Channel had a segment on this over a year ago. They even showed some nice close up simulations of the hairs themselves.
I was hoping that day old unshaved faces, armpits and legs could do the same thing for humans, but was sadly disappointed (although with the added suction of an armpit I did come close).
numerous suction cups
except that is wrong if you read the numerous articles or seen the tv specials.
It has been years since I have been able to fit into my plastic Spederman costume and NOW scientists figure out a way to climb walls.
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According to the article, what's new is that they've discovered how the angles of the hairs affect the attachment.
Summary: pull them away 30 degrees and they 'unstick'.
I didn't read the SciAm article, but I don't remember that part from the popular press last time 'round.
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
That was the Sony DSC-F505; the F707 is better at focussing fast (but it's still the Achilles' heel of an otherwise fine camera, IMHO).
If you really want to see slow operation, set the thing for redeye-reduction plus noise correction and take a nightframing shot. <Press>... <Thunk> spung up flash... <flashity-flash-flash> the redeye bit... <flash>/<click> take the shot... <click> take the second blacked-out shot... process, process... you'd better not want a second shot of your subject.
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