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Reconfigurable, Modular Dream Home

ssyladin writes: "CNN is reporting a new dream cyber home being designed by the Brits for use in Hong Kong. It combines smart home technologies of touch panels for lights, heating, water taps, with the ability to move the interior wall partitions around with a basic toolbox and about a half day of labor. No more LAN parties in the garage! The homes can also be built faster and with less waste too. Bit skimpy on the details, but its an exciting prospect if its ever finished." Concepts like this probably fill a lot of napkin doodles around the world -- what do you think this particular one should do differently?

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  1. Fav Quote by Winnipenguin · · Score: 5, Funny

    "You can control your temperature of the flat, you can control lighting," said Donald Hughes with the Hong Kong Housing Society.

    Just imagine ...

  2. walls movable with tools... by shren · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wait a minute. That sounds like a cubicle. 'Cubicle' and 'dream cyber home' do not belong in the same article, ok, guys?

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    1. Re:walls movable with tools... by slutdot · · Score: 3, Funny

      I was thinking the exact same thing when I read this. Just add X-10 technology to your cube and you have a "dream cyber home".

    2. Re:walls movable with tools... by dattaway · · Score: 3, Interesting

      or try "manufactured" housing. Here today, gone tomorrow. This may be the seeds of the trailer parks of the future.

    3. Re:walls movable with tools... by EvilAlien · · Score: 3, Funny
      Don't forgot our pop idols like Britney Spears, not quite a girl, yet not quite a woman.

      OH THE HUMANITY!

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  4. The hell w/ Hong Kong by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 3, Funny

    When do we get this here? (NJ/US)

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  5. What's in a name... by McCart42 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I dunno...I wouldn't want to buy a house designed by a company with a name like "The Integer Group"...sounds limiting.

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    1. Re:What's in a name... by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

      (* I dunno...I wouldn't want to buy a house designed by a company with a name like "The Integer Group"...sounds limiting. *)

      According to CNN, in/near Dresden Germany they have some "floating point units" right now. Get your rowboat out and you can maybe catch one or two.

  6. Modular Dream Home? by paladin_tom · · Score: 4, Funny

    How is that possible?

    I thought the web browser was an inseparable part of the home.

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  7. Re:CNN Video Clips by PD · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wrote the webmaster a little note and he responded that the videos cost money and can only be seen by subscribers. I wrote a note back saying that under Mozilla/Linux I don't even see the popup that gives me an option to subscribe, and he never wrote back.

    Talk about clueless. It's the webmaster's job to make sure his site works. It plainly doesn't. The name is cnn.com, not cnnforwindows.com!

    I wrote another note to BMW because their site doesn't work either. I wrote that people who demand the most out of their cars buy BMW, and people who demand the most out of their computers use Linux, and asked him nicely to support Linux. He wrote back and said he'd think about it.

  8. The Cube II: Ubiquitous Cube by jukal · · Score: 3, Informative

    To me, that does not sound like a dream home, it sounds more like Ubiquitous version of the dream house featured in the movie Cube.

  9. Locked in by a blackout? by Ra5pu7in · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Being that everything in the house is electronic, what happens in the event of a blackout? Usually the first action is to turn off everything that was on -- but an electronic switch prevents that. How would you get water from the taps (or worse, shut it off)?

    I hope the door and window locks aren't electronic, too.

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    1. Re:Locked in by a blackout? by EDA+Wizard · · Score: 3, Informative

      As someone who currently lives in a house with electric locks on all doors it still works fine in a california blackout. Here are our basic design criteria:

      * All doors that don't need to open in an emergency are fail secure. This means that with extended power loss or critical failure the doors stay locked.

      * All doors that must allow egress during an emergency or critical failure should release bolts under failure (fail safe) and allow the door strike to function like a normal door (latch the unlatched strike). This unbolts the door, but also causes the standard positive latch to fall into the strike. This provides a secure door with manual egress

      * garage door won't function anyway.

      We have batteries that keep each door alive for about 2 hours. The front door has enough battery for about 6hrs. After that entry becomes a bit more complicated. After critical failure or extended blackout, entry requires a physical key in the one door that has a keyed knob. That door's bolts are fail safe so it should be unbolted, but key-latched if the system fails.

      Normal entry is via proximity access control with a standard HID card.

      Securitron Unlatch for electric strike control
      http://www.securitron.com/SubCat.asp?Cata goryID=4

      SDC Electric Bolts
      http://www.sdcsecurity.com/newsite/html/pro ducts/e lectricbl.html

      HID Access control
      http://www.hidcorp.com/

  10. Cameras and lights are controllable online by lute3 · · Score: 3, Informative
    If these systems are so integrated, could there be structural or functional implications for being Slashdotted?

    "You can control the Integer house.." - link
    Cameras (evidently dark right now in Hong Kong) - link

    I wish I could read more about the thing, but the pages aren't loading and it looks like we're going to burn it down!

  11. Re:Wasteful? by MaxVlast · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does this remind anyone of the old houses of the future? I have a robot book from the early '80s with this strange modular, domed modules that were supposed to be the computer-controlled home of the future. Now that it is the future (as far as I can tell,) I'd like to know what's substantially different about this idea compared to homes of the future twenty years ago.

    Though I do like the name (the Integer Group.)

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  12. Read "Your Engineered House". . . by kfg · · Score: 3, Informative

    by Rex Roberts. Published by M.Evans, 1964.

    You'll never look at houses the same and his interior walls don't even necessarily need tools to move. Heck some of them aren't even technically walls although a stranger couldn't even tell.

    This book should be required reading for anyone intending to build a house, especially architects.

    KFG

  13. YAN logical nerd idea that repells chicks by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have long dreamed of this becomming widely available and accepted.

    However, in talking about it among friends and collegues, I realized that most women will *not like it*.

    It is too clinical and "same-same". Girls want something that makes them feel "special". If everyone has the same panels and boxes, then it will become a status symbol to have something *different*.

    And we all know that:

    Status_Symbol != Convenience

  14. Dont tell the wife by MrWinkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ack! Dont tell my wife! She will want that! I can see it now....

    Honey can you move this wall over here? Then that wall over there and then this over there?

    Later that week...

    Honey can you move that wall back over there? Maybe this wall over here?

    I can already hear my own screams.....

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    1. Re:Dont tell the wife by Alsee · · Score: 4, Funny

      why can't your wife to do her own heavy lifting? Unless she's injured, that's extremely pathetic.

      That's covered by paragaph 6 section C of the unwritten contract. Amongst other things, she never has to screw in a lightbulb or do any heavy lifting. Paragraph 6 section D says she doesn't ask me to vacuum or do the laundry.

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  15. Red Flags by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Funny
    Ugh. Cyber dream home, indeed. More like (in my best world-expo style announcer voice) "House...of the future!"

    First off: they're using a stylus for the main control panels? Does the designer of this brilliantly planned system use salad tongs to throw light switches in his current house or something?

    "You can control your temperature of the flat, you can control lighting..."

    Hey, they're onto something here! A method for controlling lighting--patent it while it's hot, lads! And controlling the temperature of one's flat? Sheer brilliance! Can I do all of this with the same stylus, as well??

    "If you have a party, and want to control your music sound, you would basically be able to press [a few central] switches instead of walking around the whole flat."

    Well hell, looks like I should have held off on buying that "Walk around my whole flat" stereo control system. Of course, I still get a good workout when setting the equalizer...

    "The Internet fridge"

    I stopped reading the article right here. Anything that talks about the Internet Fridge is doomed to failure. It's like the Goodwin's Law for overuse of technology.

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  16. Look Daddy, Big Legos! by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny


    You come back from the store to discover that your kids remade the house into a giant giraffe.

  17. insmod plumbing.o by Ilan+Volow · · Score: 3, Funny

    You probably have to patch your home and rebuild it before you can install that bidet module. I don't think many consumers would go for that.

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  18. Moveable molding.. by Frank+of+Earth · · Score: 3, Funny

    .. like crown molding? I guess if you're into that, but I can't imagine the walls looking anything but like an office building.

    Not to mention I wouldn't want to give my wife the option of changing the size of the rooms; rearranging the furniture is enough of a hassle

  19. Re:Wasteful? by Ian+Bicking · · Score: 3, Insightful
    They say it generates "30 percent less waste", which I assume means operational power, though it could mean construction waste. Electricity used for automation is trivial compared to things like lights, dishwashers, air conditioners, or hair dryers. We're not talking about a fast CPU in every wall, or a CRTs all over the place. In the image they show a simple B&W LCD input, which would use very little power.

    I do wonder about the material cost to produce some of these electronics -- but, honestly, I don't really know what that cost is. My impression is that CRTs are the worst offenders among typical computer parts, but even circuitry is fairly environmentally costly (mostly using large amounts of water to manufacture, and perhaps requiring raw minerals who's mining is environmentally damaging).

  20. On the side of waste by lingqi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am not completely sure about HK, but in Japan, it seems that houses are rarely renovated, as in the US, but much more frequently torn down and rebuilt altogether. Some people blame it on the "bad taste" of the previous owners and their funky designs of the house, and then build some funky design themselves.

    Is situations like that -- when the interior can be EASILY re-configured, you bet it would be much more efficient. It would also have the added advantage of being able to just create a room for, say a baby.

    I mean, the alternatives are shoddy at best: most interior partitions people built themselves are not exactly fire-code compliant; and have people come in and actually do professional work costs a CHUNK of cash. have ceiling-high configuable walls would be a dream! i am just worried about the wall strength (kids running into them), acoustic damping (sex in the next room), and plumbing (probabbly harder to wire than electrical, no?)...

    otherwise I am all for it.

    p.s. there has always been talks of "modular apartments" and the such. I am really kind of disappointed that they havn't show up more often. but this is a good direction

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  21. We already have this in the US... by UserChrisCanter4 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    it's called Manufactured Housing, although most people know them by their slang name, Trailer Homes.

    Seriously.

    You can get Single, Double, and Triple-wide manufactured homes, and I've even seen two story setups (I used to pass a ton of these "dealerships" on my way to college each day). The basic concept is not unique, but it also isn't stupid: I seem to recall a number being quoted as about 1/3 the cost to assemble as a "custom" home (which makes sense, as these are essentially produced on an assembly line). Take modular pieces, assemble together, call it a day. No different than cubicles or the Habitrails you built for your hamster as a kid.

    Is it a bad idea? I would say not at all. No one smirks at the build quality or luxury of a Mercedes Benz or BMW, but they're just as assembly line built as, say, a Kia (or Yugo or whatever). Assuming modular housing could succesfully target itself at the lower-end of the new home market, people would get a lot more house (and in a lot of cases, a better built house) than they do from the "custom" market (custom in quotations because that market is essentially nothing but cookie-cutter tract homes where housewives get to feel important because they paid $500 extra to change the color of the walls in the living room).

    Stop and think about it: In Houston, which has probably the cheapest real-estate market of any major city, $100,000 gets you a stripped-down ~2,200 sq. ft. house about 30 miles from downtown. No fancy garden bathtub/jacuuzi, no structured wiring system for a house-wide network, no faux marble countertops, and shitty carpet with shitty padding. That same $100,000 could go a hell of a long way on modular housing. It needn't be a trailer home dumped on a slab; a simple arrangement of modular wall pieces available in multiple sizes and completely assembled using steel, insulation, and wallboard would be, as far as I'm concerned, just as good as one pieced together from raw materials by 6 guys who know what the hell they're doing and 40 guys who were picked up from the immigrant labor force at the 7-11 that morning.

    I once worked for a subcontractor, and I needed to run some wiring through a colum that was in the kitchen area. Knowing that the wiring I was running was quite large, and would require a 3/4" hole in a 1 1/2" piece of wood, I asked the construction foreman whether or not the pillar was load-bearing. He replied, "how the hell should I know, ask the guys who made the blueprints" and returned to whatever it was he was doing. I vowed right then never to buy a home made by that particular company.

    I would say that the company that can figure out the proper configuration system and negotiate contracts with the entry-level tract-home builders would be a profitable company indeed.

    1. Re:We already have this in the US... by UserChrisCanter4 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Read my statement. I'm referring to modular housing, not pre-manufactured housing.

      How much of that is the land? A miniscule amount. Assuming one is purchasing a tract home, the land is generally part of the home deal; the lots are generally standardized sizes. This is out in the 'burbs, where land is cheap. People want a home for their money, not land. Approximately $5,000 worth of that price is land.

      I'll use a computer analogy to demonstrate:
      A manufactured home (trailer) is a retail PC, say, a Compaq Presario. We know they suck, but for some people it works well enough.

      I'm proposing something akin to the ATX standard. You buy the case size you want, and your Mobo manufacturer (or, in this case, the company that mass-produces pre-built wall units) makes them in a standardized size. PCI and AGP cards fit as they should, the power supply area is standardized. Parts are trucked in, not a pre-built house.

      The current "custom" home market is akin to Micron, Intel, Nvidia, and Abit setting up temporary fab equipment in your house and making a single chip for you on the spot. Then IBM shows up with a mobile clean room and builds your Hard disk, 3Com rolls up with a partially assembled NIC, likewise for, say, Creative with a soundcard, and so forth. You get the idea.

      In some instances, a completely custom jobby is the best way. A 10,000 square foot home would call for things like domed entryways, custom blacony setups and so forth that would make integrating modular pieces ineffective. But that aforementioned 2,200 sq. ft. home? I doubt it.

  22. Relevant Reading: "How Buildings Learn" by StefanJ · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Thirty or so years after he was a Bucky Fuller memoid hyping geodesic domes, Stewart Brand wrote an amazing book looking at how people actually use buildings:


    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/01 40 139966/


    (Uh, remove the space in the above link. The comment editor won't let me put in a continuous URL. Sorry . . .)


    How Buildings Learn is amazing. Fun to read, persuasive, and rousing. It looks at building designs that work (e.g., MIT's ugly, rambling wooden lab and office structure, Building 20) and those that don't (e.g., MIT's Media Lab building, very modern and all but not given to easy adaption.


    Stefan

  23. Re:Wait until Steve Jobs gets a hold of this... by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wait until Steve Jobs gets a hold of this...

    Dear God I hope not. I don't want to take a shower in a translucent bathroom.

  24. How this really happened by Animats · · Score: 4, Funny
    "I know how we can make some extra money".

    "How"?

    "You know all those unsold floor-to-ceiling movable office partititions we have in the warehouse?"

    "Yeah, and we've got another ten acres worth coming back from the WorldCom bankruptcy. Nobody's fitting out office space right now. What do you want to do with them?"

    "Let's team with a builder to build house shells and use the partitions as interior walls in homes. It'll be cheaper than regular construction. And homeowners will be able to reconfigure; add a bedroom for a new kid, open it up when the kids leave.

    "That will never fly; house buyers are too traditional".

    "Maybe if we had a sales gimmick... Let's call it a "modular cyber house".

    "What's "cyber" about office partitions?"

    "We'll throw in a home control system. We've got lots of commercial building automation parts in the warehouse too."

    "Well, maybe. But we need a design for a house. Just a big shell, but modern-looking".

    "Just build a big round roof, and frame it with stock glass and metal exterior panels. That'll be cheap to build. It'll look like those old '50s designs from that Fuller guy. And prices are really low on exterior panels right now."

    "This could work out. Let's draw up some renderings of what it would look like and get some press. Even if it doesn't work out, maybe we can do a bulk sell on the partitions to some homebuilder."

  25. Doesn't help sell by asv108 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The problem with any of this futuristic crap is its obsolete in a few years or even months so it doesn't do anyything to increase the value you your home. The only house tech that makes sense is to wire each room with cat-5, have nice appliances, and a good heating and cooling system.

    Its funny to look at houses that were built in the 80's and see integrated gadgets like intercom system, central-vac, and B&W security cameras that probably cost a fortune back then yet do nothing for their sale price today.

  26. Re:CNN Video Clips by donutello · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The name is cnn.com, not cnnforwindows.com!

    Ironic, that this is the same company that owns Netscape.

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