Actually, Sun has publicly stated that they will outsource the design as well as the manufacture.
x86 hardware (same price as the competition) + Solaris x86 (free to Sun)+ Sun Service + Sun ONE software stack (free to Sun) + ISV ports (Developers! Developers! Developers!) = not priceless but I'll buy 'em.
Sun likely to use AMD's Opteron chip By Michael Kanellos Staff Writer, CNET News.com April 8, 2003, 3:47 PM PT http://news.com.com/2100-1010-996060.html
Sun Microsystems will likely adopt the Opteron processor from Advanced Micro Devices as it extends into new branches of the server market.
Menlo Park, Calif.-based Sun has been testing the forthcoming Opteron chip for servers in its labs, and has found interest for the chip among customers, said John Loiacono, vice president of Sun's operating platforms group. Although he couldn't commit to any definite product plans, Loiacono said that the chip, which comes out April 22, would probably end up in a Sun product.
"Can we commit to using Opteron today? No," Loiacono said. "Can we use it? Are we likely to use it? Yes."
The probable endorsement from Sun is one of the strongest yet for the upcoming chip. Although RackSaver and a host of second-tier manufacturers have come out with product plans, no large manufacturer has done so yet. AMD declined to comment.
Sun's guarded optimism for the chip is a good sign for AMD, said Dean McCarron, principal analyst for Mercury Research. Opteron is designed for servers running up to eight processors, and that market is still largely controlled by the small circle of multinational computer makers. These manufacturers, moreover, tend to be fairly conservative when it comes to new technology.
"If you can get a Sun or IBM interested, that is crucial," he said. Virtually all of the major manufacturers are testing Opteron, according to Jack Steeg, senior vice president of sales and marketing at Newisys, which is licensing designs for Opteron servers.
According to Sun executives speaking at the company's quarterly product update, Sun-branded servers containing so-called x86 chips from AMD or Intel will also occupy a more prominent place in the company's overall product line, which is currently dominated by servers running Sun's own UltraSparc chip.
"You will hear a lot about Solaris x86. There are over 1,000 applications on Solaris x86," said Sun CEO Scott McNealy, referring to the version of Sun's operating system that's tweaked to run on servers containing Intel and AMD chips.
Sun, in fact, will update its LX50 server, which is designed for x86 chips, in the very near future, company executives have said. Although Opteron comes out in two weeks, Loiacono cautioned against drawing too strong a connection between the Opteron release and the pending update to the LX50. The chip requires a completely new motherboard. Sun is also working on other AMD chips.
Change of heart The fairly buoyant endorsement of technology from the PC world represents something of a change at Sun. The company has engaged in a heated battle for years with Intel, deriding the performance of servers based on Pentium chips and mocking, whenever possible, the sales of the Itanium processor.
A year ago, Sun deferred "productization" of a version of Solaris for Intel servers. Intel, for its part, has repeatedly noted how servers containing RISC-based chips, like Sun's UltraSparc, have become a smaller part of the overall server market.
The shift appears to derive from equal doses of opportunity and desperation.
On the opportunity side, Sun is positioning itself as a complete technology provider that will earn profits from sales of hardware, software and services.
Intel- or AMD-based servers from Sun will be outfitted with Solaris and a variety of server applications, McNealy said. Even if these typically less-expensive servers don't carry the same margins as Sun's UltraSparc boxes, they will serve as vehicles to sell Sun software.
The company is kicking off a Chinese menu-style licensing program called Orion to beef up software sales.
"They (Sun) are making a bigger commitment to supporting other platforms, and what is the best way to do that? By having Linux or x86 in-house," said Kevin Krewell, senior editor at the Micropr
SUN'S PROJECT ORION REDEFINES THE ECONOMICS AND DELIVERY OF ENTERPRISE SOFTWARE Radically Aligned Software Development, Delivery Strategy and Business Model Help Drive Complexity Down, Cost Out
SANTA CLARA, Calif., -- February 26, 2003 -- Sun Microsystems, Inc., today previewed its response to customers' need for greater simplicity, predictability and affordability of enterprise computing environments with a new product and business strategy, code named Project Orion. Based on two decades of releasing world-class enterprise software, Project Orion will dramatically simplify the acquisition, deployment and operation for all of Sun's award-winning enterprise infrastructure software. With Project Orion, Sun converges the company's software offerings into a predictable, scheduled quarterly release of an integrated software system distributed on Solaris, Solaris for x86 and Linux.
Project Orion leverages Sun's proven competency in developing and releasing large-scale systems software, best demonstrated by its multi-platform Solaris operating system. The effort will align the integration, testing and release of all of the company's software products and pricing models, thereby helping customers to easily deploy either a fully pre-integrated software system, or selected components of the system with dramatically less expense and complexity. This alignment process frees IT organizations from having to staff similar release or distribution teams within their enterprises; driving software system lifecycle cost out of IT operations, yielding expense savings, availability, uptime and predictability. Project Orion also allows customers to select best-of-breed components from Sun's partners if they so choose.
"Project Orion changes the way Sun does business so our customers can profit more from the way they do business," said Jonathan Schwartz, executive vice president of Software, Sun Microsystems. "We've heard consistently that CIOs are tired of handling the integration role for the operating environment. They want us to engineer the complexity out, drive standards and interoperability, and get the costs down. We're leading the industry in delivering the most affordable, complete and interoperable operating environment, on multiple platforms, and at prices that bring carrier-grade scale and industry-open standards to all customers, large and small."
"The integrated approach of Project Orion is a step in the right direction by Sun to reduce the complexity of our computing environment," said Kim Ross, CIO, Nielsen Media Research.
Project Orion comprises three industry leading breakthroughs:
A Systematic Approach--the methodology to design, develop, and deliver software using "software-train" releases to define a set of stringent criteria that all software components must satisfy before the integrated system will ship. This capability has been developed over 20 years of releasing Solaris.
A Software System--the open and integrated software portfolio of all of Sun's enterprise infrastructure software where everything seamlessly works together, and consistently exercises a set of common components, architectures, and technologies. This redefines the meaning of operating systems and middleware to create the first real Web services delivery platform.
Business Strategy--a simplified acquisition, more affordable and predictable business model that applies to the enterprise infrastructure software from Sun. Customers can still purchase individual software components, or the entire software system with one single uniform pricing model. The result is a completely integrated operating environment that is immediately available to use and grow at the customer's convenience. The spectrum of software included in Project Orion will span Solaris and Linux at the core with a common Java runtime environment that integrates
Evolutionary computer prgrams can be applied to game theory and game theory can be applied to almost anything.
Quote:
"Evolutionary approaches have successfully been applied to solve a large variety of problems; in particular, successful applications to the numerical solution of global optimisation problems have been repeatedly reported. In this text we propose an evolutionary approach to numerically compute equilibria: systems of interdependent optimisation problems. The algorithms for equilibria computation presented here are deeply based on a method for the solution of global optimisation problems. In our implementation we have relied on an evolutionary algorithm described in [2], although equivalent methods could be used instead.
We depart from the solution of a single global optimisation problem to focus on heuristics for the solution of Nash equilibria (i.e., equilibria with simultaneous moves of the intervening players) and Stackelberg equilibria (asynchronous moves: one agent plays before the other, taking into account its reaction)1"
// Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice... I don't get fooled twice. // Stop Open Source bait and switch, use a completely open, patent-free, professional audio encoding and streaming technology.
Quote: By making an x86 version of OS X to coincide with the release of the G5, Apple could save face by showing in the inevitable side-by-side processor comparison that its computer is the performance leader. At the same time, it could appease PC users' demands that it be more open with its computing solutions.
Not only would the speed leader be obvious and indisputable, but Apple's mind-share would increase a thousand times over.
Suddenly, those OS companies that support only one processor family would acquire the unfriendly aura that hung over Apple's head for so many years."
Great article at osopinion written by Adam Barr, found here:
http://www.osopinion.com/perl/printer/17154/
Quote: "Gordon Bell, who led the development of the VAX architecture at Digital, came to talk to the NT group in April 1994. At the time, I was on the team, working on the second version of NT. Bell warned the troops to forget about OS/2 and Netware. If we beat Unix, Bell told us, we would easily defeat the others in the process."
Fav quote: 'It wasn't always like this. Microsoft used to sell a version of UNIX called XENIX. Consider the following quote from Paul Allen, Microsoft co-founder, in the 3rd issue of PC Magazine, June/July 1982:
"It's important to realize that MS-DOS is part of a family of operating systems.... Providing the user with a family of operating system capabilities means a clear migration path from MS-DOS to XENIX. That means compatibility for both the terminal end user and the systems programmer.... A standard library for XENIX-86 C will allow compilation of a program on XENIX... and then execution on MS-DOS.... XENIX systems will be able to function as network file servers." '
I wrote C programs on Xenix (Tandy box) during the early 80's and it was very fine.
Some folks who purchased loads of G4s with pre-Jaguar OS X have a few compelling reasons to go to Linux, including but not limited to: - bugs - upgrade fees
When it first appeared, that article was lacking some blood flow to the vascular muscle in the spongy area. Now it appears to be positively freeze dried.
Once again, Intel wages war on AMD, fighting to attain the fastest desktop CPU. AMD is sure to launch the Athlon XP 2800+ soon (in October at the latest), so that it will be able to keep close on the heels of its arch-rival. Intel has also made preparations of its own, with the P4/3066 up its sleeve.
At any rate, the real winner is the ambitious end user, who will be able to choose between the P4/3066 and the Athlon XP 3000+ by the time Christmas rolls around. Both the successor to the P4 and the AMD Hammer won't be available until next year.
As always, price-conscious buyers who are interested in getting the best price/ performance ratio are a bit better off with an AMD Athlon XP than with a P4..
Link here: http://www17.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q3/0208 26/p4_2 800-16.html
Quote from "analysts": Hard drives experience wear and tear each time a computer is turned on and off. They generally come with three- to five-year warranties and analysts say it's best not to trust them to last that long.
Article found at this link: http://www.suntimes.com/output/tech/cst-fin -hard29.html
From the article: Dolby has officially advised me that this CD-AC3 disc should not be used as a master for CD duplication or public distribution since there's no safeguards against someone playing it back in an audio CD player. But it's a great method for making one-off test mixes. I've considered added a standard audio disclaimer on track 1 that says something like "This disc contains Dolby Digital data. Do not play in a standard CD player or speaker damage can result".
Could you think of a better gift for those you don't love?
The need for higher storage density -- the number of data bits stored on a disk surface -- already has been addressed with smaller bits, but these data chunks are becoming so small that they will be magnetically unstable within the next five to 10 years, researchers said.
This is the real reason hard drive warranties have been getting shorter.
Right after the demo for the press, hax0rs using the SmartHouseDIE exploit caused the walls to turn blue and fall down. Several reporters were killed. BSOD.
Slashdot Mirror
Which version of gcc on that Linux install? ... Oh never mind...
Actually, Sun has publicly stated that they will outsource the design as well as the manufacture.
x86 hardware (same price as the competition) + Solaris x86 (free to Sun)+ Sun Service + Sun ONE software stack (free to Sun) + ISV ports (Developers! Developers! Developers!) = not priceless but I'll buy 'em.
FYI:
Sun likely to use AMD's Opteron chip
By Michael Kanellos
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
April 8, 2003, 3:47 PM PT
http://news.com.com/2100-1010-996060.html
Sun Microsystems will likely adopt the Opteron processor from Advanced Micro Devices as it extends into new branches of the server market.
Menlo Park, Calif.-based Sun has been testing the forthcoming Opteron chip for servers in its labs, and has found interest for the chip among customers, said John Loiacono, vice president of Sun's operating platforms group. Although he couldn't commit to any definite product plans, Loiacono said that the chip, which comes out April 22, would probably end up in a Sun product.
"Can we commit to using Opteron today? No," Loiacono said. "Can we use it? Are we likely to use it? Yes."
The probable endorsement from Sun is one of the strongest yet for the upcoming chip. Although RackSaver and a host of second-tier manufacturers have come out with product plans, no large manufacturer has done so yet. AMD declined to comment.
Sun's guarded optimism for the chip is a good sign for AMD, said Dean McCarron, principal analyst for Mercury Research. Opteron is designed for servers running up to eight processors, and that market is still largely controlled by the small circle of multinational computer makers. These manufacturers, moreover, tend to be fairly conservative when it comes to new technology.
"If you can get a Sun or IBM interested, that is crucial," he said. Virtually all of the major manufacturers are testing Opteron, according to Jack Steeg, senior vice president of sales and marketing at Newisys, which is licensing designs for Opteron servers.
According to Sun executives speaking at the company's quarterly product update, Sun-branded servers containing so-called x86 chips from AMD or Intel will also occupy a more prominent place in the company's overall product line, which is currently dominated by servers running Sun's own UltraSparc chip.
"You will hear a lot about Solaris x86. There are over 1,000 applications on Solaris x86," said Sun CEO Scott McNealy, referring to the version of Sun's operating system that's tweaked to run on servers containing Intel and AMD chips.
Sun, in fact, will update its LX50 server, which is designed for x86 chips, in the very near future, company executives have said. Although Opteron comes out in two weeks, Loiacono cautioned against drawing too strong a connection between the Opteron release and the pending update to the LX50. The chip requires a completely new motherboard. Sun is also working on other AMD chips.
Change of heart
The fairly buoyant endorsement of technology from the PC world represents something of a change at Sun. The company has engaged in a heated battle for years with Intel, deriding the performance of servers based on Pentium chips and mocking, whenever possible, the sales of the Itanium processor.
A year ago, Sun deferred "productization" of a version of Solaris for Intel servers. Intel, for its part, has repeatedly noted how servers containing RISC-based chips, like Sun's UltraSparc, have become a smaller part of the overall server market.
The shift appears to derive from equal doses of opportunity and desperation.
On the opportunity side, Sun is positioning itself as a complete technology provider that will earn profits from sales of hardware, software and services.
Intel- or AMD-based servers from Sun will be outfitted with Solaris and a variety of server applications, McNealy said. Even if these typically less-expensive servers don't carry the same margins as Sun's UltraSparc boxes, they will serve as vehicles to sell Sun software.
The company is kicking off a Chinese menu-style licensing program called Orion to beef up software sales.
"They (Sun) are making a bigger commitment to supporting other platforms, and what is the best way to do that? By having Linux or x86 in-house," said Kevin Krewell, senior editor at the Micropr
There is a price to complexity, even with free software:
http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2003-02/su nf lash.20030226.4.html
SUN'S PROJECT ORION REDEFINES THE ECONOMICS AND DELIVERY OF ENTERPRISE SOFTWARE
Radically Aligned Software Development, Delivery Strategy and Business Model Help Drive Complexity Down, Cost Out
SANTA CLARA, Calif., -- February 26, 2003 -- Sun Microsystems, Inc., today previewed its response to customers' need for greater simplicity, predictability and affordability of enterprise computing environments with a new product and business strategy, code named Project Orion. Based on two decades of releasing world-class enterprise software, Project Orion will dramatically simplify the acquisition, deployment and operation for all of Sun's award-winning enterprise infrastructure software. With Project Orion, Sun converges the company's software offerings into a predictable, scheduled quarterly release of an integrated software system distributed on Solaris, Solaris for x86 and Linux.
Project Orion leverages Sun's proven competency in developing and releasing large-scale systems software, best demonstrated by its multi-platform Solaris operating system. The effort will align the integration, testing and release of all of the company's software products and pricing models, thereby helping customers to easily deploy either a fully pre-integrated software system, or selected components of the system with dramatically less expense and complexity. This alignment process frees IT organizations from having to staff similar release or distribution teams within their enterprises; driving software system lifecycle cost out of IT operations, yielding expense savings, availability, uptime and predictability. Project Orion also allows customers to select best-of-breed components from Sun's partners if they so choose.
"Project Orion changes the way Sun does business so our customers can profit more from the way they do business," said Jonathan Schwartz, executive vice president of Software, Sun Microsystems. "We've heard consistently that CIOs are tired of handling the integration role for the operating environment. They want us to engineer the complexity out, drive standards and interoperability, and get the costs down. We're leading the industry in delivering the most affordable, complete and interoperable operating environment, on multiple platforms, and at prices that bring carrier-grade scale and industry-open standards to all customers, large and small."
"The integrated approach of Project Orion is a step in the right direction by Sun to reduce the complexity of our computing environment," said Kim Ross, CIO, Nielsen Media Research.
Project Orion comprises three industry leading breakthroughs:
A Systematic Approach--the methodology to design, develop, and deliver software using "software-train" releases to define a set of stringent criteria that all software components must satisfy before the integrated system will ship. This capability has been developed over 20 years of releasing Solaris.
A Software System--the open and integrated software portfolio of all of Sun's enterprise infrastructure software where everything seamlessly works together, and consistently exercises a set of common components, architectures, and technologies. This redefines the meaning of operating systems and middleware to create the first real Web services delivery platform.
Business Strategy--a simplified acquisition, more affordable and predictable business model that applies to the enterprise infrastructure software from Sun. Customers can still purchase individual software components, or the entire software system with one single uniform pricing model. The result is a completely integrated operating environment that is immediately available to use and grow at the customer's convenience.
The spectrum of software included in Project Orion will span Solaris and Linux at the core with a common Java runtime environment that integrates
Here is a link to the url: http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2003-03/sunf lash.20030307.1.html
Now go ahead and /. that Solaris Sparc box.
Methinks a reference to Dmitry A. Lanin and his computer modelling, of ethnogenesis via a program in TURBO PASCAL.
Links here:
Overview
Ethnos paper in postscript
But who wants their hand blender mating with their toaster?
// Be careful what you ask for because you just might get it ... in the end.
Evolutionary computer prgrams can be applied to game theory and game theory can be applied to almost anything.
h -es.ps.gz
// Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice ... I don't get fooled twice.
// Stop Open Source bait and switch, use a completely open, patent-free, professional audio encoding and streaming technology.
Quote:
"Evolutionary approaches have successfully been applied to solve a large variety of problems; in particular, successful applications to the numerical solution of global optimisation problems have been repeatedly reported. In this text we propose an evolutionary approach to numerically compute equilibria: systems of interdependent optimisation problems. The algorithms for equilibria computation presented here are deeply based on a method for the solution of global optimisation problems. In our implementation we have relied on an evolutionary algorithm described in [2], although equivalent methods could be used instead.
We depart from the solution of a single global optimisation problem to focus on heuristics for the solution of Nash equilibria (i.e., equilibria with simultaneous moves of the intervening players) and Stackelberg equilibria (asynchronous moves: one agent plays before the other, taking into account its reaction)1"
Article here:
www.islab.brain.riken.go.jp/~jpp/publications/nas
Quote:
6 /
By making an x86 version of OS X to coincide with the release of the G5, Apple could save face by showing in the inevitable side-by-side processor comparison that its computer is the performance leader. At the same time, it could appease PC users' demands that it be more open with its computing solutions.
Not only would the speed leader be obvious and indisputable, but Apple's mind-share would increase a thousand times over.
Suddenly, those OS companies that support only one processor family would acquire the unfriendly aura that hung over Apple's head for so many years."
Article here:
http://www.osopinion.com/perl/printer/1717
Great article at osopinion written by Adam Barr, found here:
... and then execution on MS-DOS.... XENIX systems will be able to function as network file servers." '
http://www.osopinion.com/perl/printer/17154/
Quote:
"Gordon Bell, who led the development of the VAX architecture at Digital, came to talk to the NT group in April 1994. At the time, I was on the team, working on the second version of NT. Bell warned the troops to forget about OS/2 and Netware. If we beat Unix, Bell told us, we would easily defeat the others in the process."
Fav quote:
'It wasn't always like this. Microsoft used to sell a version of UNIX called XENIX. Consider the following quote from Paul Allen, Microsoft co-founder, in the 3rd issue of PC Magazine, June/July 1982:
"It's important to realize that MS-DOS is part of a family of operating systems.... Providing the user with a family of operating system capabilities means a clear migration path from MS-DOS to XENIX. That means compatibility for both the terminal end user and the systems programmer.... A standard library for XENIX-86 C will allow compilation of a program on XENIX
I wrote C programs on Xenix (Tandy box) during the early 80's and it was very fine.
Thanks to the thousands that understand, are mistaken or simple intuitive:
h am e+on+me%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&met a=
http://www.google.ca/search?q=%22fool+me+once+s
Concerned about your karma? Do drinking and posting mix well for you? // .sig // Pool Hall + Drunk = Spillard
Some folks who purchased loads of G4s with pre-Jaguar OS X have a few compelling reasons to go to Linux, including but not limited to:
- bugs
- upgrade fees
When it first appeared, that article was lacking some blood flow to the vascular muscle in the spongy area. Now it appears to be positively freeze dried.
If you still don't get it read it again.
.sig.obj is child of /dev/null
hint:
Fool me once shame on me, fool me twice ... you know the rest. // This .sig does not exist
TH has this info and advice:
8 26/p4_2 800-16.html
Once again, Intel wages war on AMD, fighting to attain the fastest desktop CPU. AMD is sure to launch the Athlon XP 2800+ soon (in October at the latest), so that it will be able to keep close on the heels of its arch-rival. Intel has also made preparations of its own, with the P4/3066 up its sleeve.
At any rate, the real winner is the ambitious end user, who will be able to choose between the P4/3066 and the Athlon XP 3000+ by the time Christmas rolls around. Both the successor to the P4 and the AMD Hammer won't be available until next year.
As always, price-conscious buyers who are interested in getting the best price/ performance ratio are a bit better off with an AMD Athlon XP than with a P4..
Link here:
http://www17.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q3/020
Quote from "analysts":
n -hard29 .html
Hard drives experience wear and tear each time a computer is turned on and off. They generally come with three- to five-year warranties and analysts say it's best not to trust them to last that long.
Article found at this link:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/tech/cst-fi
From the article:
Dolby has officially advised me that this CD-AC3 disc should not be used as a master for CD duplication or public distribution since there's no safeguards against someone playing it back in an audio CD player. But it's a great method for making one-off test mixes. I've considered added a standard audio disclaimer on track 1 that says something like "This disc contains Dolby Digital data. Do not play in a standard CD player or speaker damage can result".
Could you think of a better gift for those you don't love?
Love and hate are different sides of the same coin. In fourteen words or less describe the relationships of Linux to UNIX and BSD to Microsoft?
Hey, you put the stake in the ground, why stop there?
The need for higher storage density -- the number of data bits stored on a disk surface -- already has been addressed with smaller bits, but these data chunks are becoming so small that they will be magnetically unstable within the next five to 10 years, researchers said.
This is the real reason hard drive warranties have been getting shorter.
I'm sure we will have lots of fun figuring out how to backup our users personal hard drives full of pr0n and muzak.
Scratches head comtemplating this not so inSIGnificant endeavour.
Right after the demo for the press, hax0rs using the SmartHouseDIE exploit caused the walls to turn blue and fall down. Several reporters were killed. BSOD.
"You can control your temperature of the flat, you can control lighting," said Donald Hughes with the Hong Kong Housing Society.
...
Just imagine
Someone forgot to pull the old Jedi mind trick. Are Jedi inSIGnificant? If you don't get, read it again.