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Canadian Lawful Access Legislation
EvilAlien writes "In Canada, existing legislation covers access to telephone records, disclosure of customer information in accordance with the Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act (PIPEDA) and other means compelling the release of information. However, the laws regulating access to these networks for Canadian law enforcement and national security groups are only under development. The Department of Justice has released their Lawful Access Consultation Document to get feedback from all the stakeholders including industry, civil liberties groups, and the legal community."
I don't see what the big deal is...
Blame Canada!
Have you seen Canada's constitution? What's the point of all this whining when Canadians have never actually had any rights to begin with?
Maybe they should be fighting their government for basic guaranteed human rights like free speech and press and the freedom to own guns before worrying about their "rights" online because they don't have any.
Though I like seeing Canadian issues get a lot of coverage, isn't this a double post
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fifth post
I don't live in Canada.
Sure it's cool to have you own legislation, but when you're a mere 30 millions people, it makes more economical sense to buy the legislation texts you need from the U.S.
It is very rewarding to see a goat you have raised from a baby grow up and have kids and grandkids of her own. With goats that doesn't have to take too long, maybe about 3 or 4 years at most, because they are able to breed when they are just a year old. It's also neat to learn how to milk or trim hooves and other things that you wouldn't ordinarily be able to do.
cananda sucks, it's just another liberal commie shithole in the ground that unfortunately happens to be north of the US. boo hoo.
I'm a Canadian, and I agree with the parent post to a certain extent. After 9/11, it was easier for Canada's government to take away our (largely illusory) rights than it was with the Patriot Act in the USA. For instance, anti-globalization activists are amongst those who can now be labelled "terrorist" and locked away without outside contact.
On the other hand, this process is not a complete sham. At this time, Canada's government doesn't want people to realize that their rights are not grounded upon inalienable principles. They will not completely dismiss the results of the public input they are requesting. If they were going to do so, why request input at all, since they aren't actually required to.
JG
True North Strong and Free...that's what our national anthem says...Mr Bush & Co have gutted the US Bill of Rights, don't let our so-called "Liberal" government do the same. We can fight terrorism with the tools we have, the only reason why 9/11 happened is that we were not looking for it.
...concerned about his home, and his friends in the States.
If we turn this continent into Fortress North America, they they have won the war by making us into our worst fears...a police state with autocractic politicians. When rule of force becomes the rule of law, we might as well just elect a dictator and be done with it.
If the US is going to be too stupid to realize what they have done, let's show then how it's done, and maybe they will realize their mistake before theey *do* elect a dictator.
ttyl
Farrell
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your country's new changes to the US Patriot Act is limiting all the fun stuff you used to be able to do. Take a look at this website.
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the juwes are responsible for this fucking jews are satan's slaves
-RJN-
Le coeur de cette région se compose de 2 municipalités bien imbriquées l'une dans l'autre: Ste-Agathe-des-Monts et Ste-Agathe-Sud. Si bien bien imbriquées ensemble qu'elles ont fusionnées. Mais pour les gens de l'extérieur, ces divisions administratives ont peu d'importance: on vient passer ses vacances à Ste-Agathe!
Cette région est bien garnie en infrastructures de tourisme et Ste-Agathe peut se vanter d'avoir accueilli des générations de villégiateurs et de touristes. Quels que soient vos besoins, Ste-Agathe peut se vanter de pouvoir les combler sur place. L'hôtellerie et la restauration y tiennent une place de choix.
Le train ne passe plus à Ste-Agathe? Qu'importe! On rénove la gare et on transforme le chemin de fer en piste cyclable, un concept unique en Amérique du Nord. Fruit d'une concertation de la région touristique des Laurentides le parc linéaire "Le p'tit Train du Nord" traverse des dizaines de villages tout au long de ses 200 kilomètres. Vous pouvez l'utiliser le plus facilement du monde à partir de Ste-Agathe, au site de l'ancienne gare, par les différents moyens adaptés aux saisons: motoneige, ski de randonnée, cyclisme et randonnée pédestre. Ce parc est probablement l'une des plus belles réalisations touristiques des Laurentides.
Dans cette grande région, les sports et les activités d'hiver n'ont rien à envier à celles de l'été. L'hiver en Nord, grande fête de l'hiver à Ste-Agathe, permet de bien apprécier les splendeurs de l'hiver. L'été apporte également son lot d'activités: plage, natation, motomarine, bateau, voile, cyclisme, randonnée pédestre, et encore plus...
Quel que soit votre séjour dans la grande région de Ste-Agathe, nous pouvons vous assurer que vous en partirez enchanté. Et que vous y reviendrez!
Yup, we're pretty backwards up here in Canada. I have to watch my DSL modem so that doesn't melt my igloo, eh? Otherwise I won't be able to surf the internet while I hibernate until spring, eh? Go slashdot! eh?
humm... ste-agathe... le bon air frais du quebec! tu diras bonjour a gerard et a roger de ma part :)
Can I claim "First worthwhile post"?
I'm going to ignore comments thus far as generally just not representative of Slashdotters, most of whom can find Canada on a map.
This story is a duplicate post on Slashdot, but parts of the story haven't really been covered yet: additional links are to be found in this story, which you can follow to find out more info on the issue, including some sample response from Canadian ISPs, one of which I represent. We're also CAIP members and I can tell you that the only comments I've seen on the members' mailing list so far are all negative, so you can probably expect resistance on our part, as the stories linked indicate. Any Canadian Slashdotters (believe it or not, not everyone here is American - I wonder if there are any geographical
Contrary to one informationally-ignorant prior post, as Canadians we do have Rights and Freedoms, and as in every other country (yes, including the USA) sometimes we need to speak up to exercise them and make sure that they aren't clawed back from us.
-brt
Penguinista!
You will be un-assimilated. Resistance is just plain stupid.
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I got a sponge and I wrapped it aroouund my penis but the sponge is starting to turn red -- it is not stopping the blood flow!
HOW AM I GOING TO PISS?????????!!!!!!!!!! I'm going to have to call a doctor!!!
OH MY GOD! You, sir, are a racist!
Is it true that the Canadian government has switched to Microsoft Assport for their authentication services?
Why is it that black people always smell funny? Don't they take baths or what???
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Shutupiz vouiz you stupid French poodle fucker!
sad, pathetic and ignorant...the lot of you. And to think that I thought that /. represented a more educated to outlook, guess I'll have to change my start page to something more intelligent.....maybe http://pbskids.org/teletubbies/
Here is a leaked draft of a similar framework (proposal) on data retention in Europe, and here is Statewatch analysis of it - I believe the analysis is good reference for Canada/US as well. It seems these things are happening all over the world at same time, so maybe the kick-off to start working on these was made in some multi-national meeting (interpol, maybe). Anyway, it is rather alarming.
Le Canada longtemps de phase! Il sera pour toujours meilleur que les Américains de fatass! Un dieu bénissent le Molson bière, Jean Chretien, et la glace pêchant nos équipes d'hockey vous possédera toujours que les Canadiens ont les Américains mieux qu'amorphes de sexe.
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Beacon, I think they have good beer and ass.
Celineze Dion needs a good texan fucking.
piece of shit gangrel ridden turkey stuffer. your grandmother is my fuckin bitch. quebec is the place to be. dickwad.
Québec is widely known as the capital of Canadian faggotry. I suspect you're a homosexual who is seeking recruits. Oh, and if I want to go to a French place, I'll go to fucking France, not some lame imitation.
Ummmmm why? I think the argument is a numbers one. 30 million vs. 350 million. Or 350 million vs. over a billion.
How is that racist? Do people like to claim racism over anything? Ridiculous. Polotypy doesn't exist except for in the minds of those that feel oppressed. Whether rightly or not.
After reading this, it's no wonder a lot of the world hates the States. It's those of you who have no respect for other cultures/nations/etc. that are causing it. Not saying that the states is the only country that does this though. I've known Canadians too who have done this (although the states is a lot bigger, therefore being heard more); it sicken's me how ignorent people are. I do not believe /. was created with the intent of having flame wars like "my country's better than yours".
I'd be surprised if this reply does not get any "childish" responses.
Klerck wasn't modded down, he posts at -1 by default. I guess you havn't been around here very long. Klerck is the most famous crapflooder. I'm glad to see he is posting his opinions rather than crapflooding now, he is actally pretty smart it seems.
I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
The deadline for feedback is November 15, 2002.
I'm willing to bet that at least 60% of Canadians are happy with such legislation. Very few people care about there privacy.
Hell the government can look at our bank account whenever the hell he wants to. I sent letters to the mayor, letters to some political parties and no response whatsoever. What's amazing is that everyone I talked to didn't seem to care about the fact that the government can look into there bank account without permission.
you pimple dicked pickle-ass-ingestor, quebec is not and does not claim french heritage. quebec is claiming fuckin independence from those english-queen-loving faggots in the rest of canada. They like fucking moose while venerating queen victoria, wearing nothing but fuckin canadian flag underwear. We have nothing to do with those bitch ass queers. Vive le québec libre câlisse.
* 2002-08-31 07:31:00 Canadian government proposes internet wire-tap law (yro,privacy) (rejected)
That was well over a week ago, what the fuck is up with that?
I can't believe the posts so far in this story. You'd think that there would at least be SOME amount of rational posts on /.
I think that we Canadians have offered our friendship to the U.S. long enough. The Americans are obviously not intelligent or mature enough to even bother acknowledging anymore. You wonder why people hate you? It's not a mystery to Canadians.
Screw the United States. The next time Osama knocks down one of your buildings, don't come whining to us for blood donations, places to land international flights, or donations for the victims. I, for one, couldn't give a shit. I'm sick of giving without even getting a thankyou.
"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain
First off, this review is nothing new. It's been done since 1982 - the government polls people and civil rights groups on the amount of privacy they think is proper. It is usually done on a bi-yearly basis.
Secondly, Canada, while having certain problems that need to be looked at, is generally pretty good about things like this. We have a Constitution, we have our Bill of Rights. And those Rights are not generally infringed upon.
Thirdly, I am sickened by the number of people who don't care. Moreover, I am sickened by the number of people who do care, but don't take the time to learn about our governmental processes.
Fourthly, and I must put emphasize on this: AMERICANS, WE DO NOT HAVE THE SAME POLITICAL BELIEFS AS YOU, NOR HAVE WE EVER. We like our gun-control laws, and we like our health-system. To us, the government should do whats best for everybody, not just the majority. I will admit, Canada has some very serious problems to deal with - so how about the Americans here just let us deal with them, instead of becoming condescending assholes about it? I have just stereotyped Americans as assholes, just as Canadians have been stereotyped as 'liberal commies'. We don't WANT your system of government. Stop forcing your political beliefs on other people.
Fifthly [if there is such a thing], Canadians and Americans, while being the same in so many ways [entertainment, clothing, etc. etc.], are fundamentally different people when it comes down to it. We have common ground, but we don't have THAT much common ground.
I suggest all of the Americans who have commented negatively about Canada [with no specific reasons] start showing us a little bit of respect. There really isn't anything you can point out to in the first place - our country is only 100 years old, for Gods sake. Yours is 300. We can figure our path out by ourselves, just as you did. So stop assuming moral and political superiority based on the fact of your economy or otherwise. kthx.
To the American's who have taken the time to learn our governmental processes, as while as consider this thing impartially and reasonably, I thank you. Even if you disagree with how we Canadians work, you've at least taken the time to consider it. I respect that.
Canada (as we know it now) was founded in 1867. It was a business decision made by britshit business interests, as they realized they were not competent enough to compete against yankee businessmen.
(The typical britshit way of doing business is to force people to buy their products; cas in point, horsepiss brewer molson, came to canada only to find french peasants drinking their own applejack cider (grapes would not grow satisfactorly, and in any case, the french mostly came from Normandy where everyone makes applejack cider anyways). So, rather than corner the cider market, molson displayed his true britshit incompetence by whining that people wouln't buy his piss to the governor who promply outlawed applejack cider making, thus forcing the peasants to buy his horsepiss, the only thing he knew how to make).
Over the years, canada slightly evolved, but nevertheless remains mired as a britshit colony. But the main canadian problems remain the same thoughout the ages:
- Keep the americans out.
- Keep the french in.
All while hoping that, somehow, the indians would simply vanish.The french were the first to introduce european civilization to north-america. Well before the Mayflower, a small colony was thriving along the banks of the St-Lawrence, in good harmony with the indians who gave the french the technology to survive the long winters. As the french are not as constipated towards private property as the britshit are, they certainly did not mind sharing the country with the indians, which being a totally different civilization, had very few competing interests.
As there was plenty of interaction between the french and the indians, it is not surprising that it was french explorers who "discoved" (ha ha ha. Like if the indians didn't discover it first) most of the inside of the continent, as only them had the technology and knowledge to survive off the land, quite unlike most britshit (Baniel Boon was quite atypical in that respect) who never mingle with natives.
When the britshit colonized Egypt, for example, they built themselves clubs surrounded by high walls so the would not see the natives. When France was in Egypt, they built schools to educate the natives for free.
The french were also the only colonizers who did not exterminate the indians when they found out they could not enslave them. As they were not competing with the french for ressources (different civilizations), they were best left to themselves. Better yet, when the britshit expansion in New England pushed the Iroquois out, the french gladly accepted them in New-France and gave them territory, even though they used to be ennemies.
This changed with the coming of the britshit, who promptly rounded the indians into reserves, and going about with their ultra-constitpated notions of private property, much to the dismay of the indians chiefs.
The britshit also introduced biological warfare when lord amherst gave smallpox-infected blankets to indians. Truly the works of an unenligthened civilization whose only goal is rape, pillage and plunder!
At first, when a handful of britshit found themselves at the head of a colony peopled with 60,000 french peasants, they quickly realized that their usual governing tricks (especially when it came to repression of the scatholics - as the totality of the french were [officially] scatholics). So, in order not to be kicked back at sea by the french and their indians allies, they compromised and allowed scatholicism to keep running rampant.
This, of course, was the typical britshit incompetence at work, as this tolerance towards scatholics precipitated the american revolution... So, to keep a small worthless colony, the britshit risked and lost the prize jewel...
Over time, the britshit merchants discovered one fantastic thing about scatholicism: for a devout scatholic, making a profit (be it through commerce, hard work or mere stock manipulation) is a one-way ticket to hell. So, they reasoned, if the french population was kept scatholic (and therefore ignorant), they would not face any competition while they set shop...
So, those merchant princes, the Frobishers, McTavish, Redpath, Allan, etc. (the incompetent family compact) accumulated extraordinary wealth, by plundering natural ressources with the cheap labour provided by the ignorant (because scatholic) french.
In order to perpetuate that status, when the britshit north america act (the constitution of canada) was elaborated in 1867 by the incompetent family compact, they made sure to enshrine in the constitution that education would be solely controlled by the scatholic church, for the french (and by the protestants for the britshit, of course). This is the reason of the economic backwardness of the french in canada, backwardness that is only starting to subside, as the french threw out the scatholic church en masse starting some 8-10 years after television was introduced in 1952.
Canada went through the usual colonial troubles. In 1836-37, a rebellion tore apart the country, as mostly french people rebelled against the britshit (but the rebellion included a non negligeable amount of englishmen). The britshit army fought back with unparalleled savagery (until perhaps the nazis) and thousands of farms were burned to the ground. Resentment for this still survives to this day; and in fact, when the parliamant voted some 10 years later to indemnify the innocent victims of the destruction, a mob of brishit lowlifes (mostly businessmen and merchants) ransacked the parliament and burned it down to the ground, as that kind of people will not tolerate democracy.
In 1867, the canadian population was half french, half britshit (the britshit certainly didn't count the indians). However, in typical britshit fashion, only the landowners were granted the right of vote; and as the french were systematically poorer, they were therefore underepresented. But this not preclude the existence of prominent french politicians, such as Wilfrid Laurier, who was the first french prime minister. However, do not let the frenchness fool you; the britshit would not let anyone become prime minister unless he displayed the utmost allegiance to the britshit interests... This held true of other french prime ministers: Louis St-Laurent, Pierre-Elliott Trudeau (this one declared martial law in 1970 and put his political opponents in jail), Brian Mulroney (well, he's irish, but in Québec, the irish very much became french) and Jean Chrétin.
Hey man, you Frenchies lost the war. You were British citizens, so get over it. Now you're Canadian. At least we gave you rights - we could just treat you like the Israelis treat the Palestinians (a conquered people). You're lucky we let you live.
Can someone please point out to me where freedoms are actually being lost here? There seems to be a large amount of whining about nothing. This document appears to be looking at, basically, extending legal means of search into new technologies. You still need a court order to go searching for records or taking personal information, this proposal is just looking at methods of effectively doing this. There seems to be a lot of effort made to keep these changes legitimate and even keep them in line with similar procedures for what are currently used for telephone networks...
and you fuckin british loving wankers just sucked cock. At least if you'd separated from england as the US did, you would have a point. but a lapdog cannot make a point, he's a fuckin animal!