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Canadian Lawful Access Legislation
EvilAlien writes "In Canada, existing legislation covers access to telephone records, disclosure of customer information in accordance with the Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act (PIPEDA) and other means compelling the release of information. However, the laws regulating access to these networks for Canadian law enforcement and national security groups are only under development. The Department of Justice has released their Lawful Access Consultation Document to get feedback from all the stakeholders including industry, civil liberties groups, and the legal community."
liberal commie
Canada is slightly left wing compared to the US, but it is definitely not communist. Do some of your own research.
shithole
You are forgetting that this shithole is about the best place to live in the world according to the United Nations. I think we ranked 2nd or 3rd this year, but have rated consistently 1st for the past number of years. Oh yah, and the US is not even in the top 5.
All I can say is, at least we don't have a retard like bush for our leader.
True North Strong and Free...that's what our national anthem says...Mr Bush & Co have gutted the US Bill of Rights, don't let our so-called "Liberal" government do the same. We can fight terrorism with the tools we have, the only reason why 9/11 happened is that we were not looking for it.
...concerned about his home, and his friends in the States.
If we turn this continent into Fortress North America, they they have won the war by making us into our worst fears...a police state with autocractic politicians. When rule of force becomes the rule of law, we might as well just elect a dictator and be done with it.
If the US is going to be too stupid to realize what they have done, let's show then how it's done, and maybe they will realize their mistake before theey *do* elect a dictator.
ttyl
Farrell
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That's pretty ignorant. I am Canadian, but I don't say that American issues don't matter. DMCA doesn't matter because I'm Canadian, so Slashdot shouldn't post about it, is that how I should think?
Perhaps you should go back to the dump and find your soul. It's good to care about what happens in countries besides your own.
The global economy is a great thing until you feel it locally.
Your percieved "namby-pamby" attitude towards human rights accounts for a lack of Canadian culture? That doesn't make any sense. If fact, I want you to describe to me what American culture is because I don't know.
Do you consider music a part of culture? If so then Britney Spears is our culture and that's pretty pathetic. I think you'll find that upon speaking with some Canadians and Americans from different regions there are many cultures within each country. Texas sure isn't the same as New York, is it?
The global economy is a great thing until you feel it locally.
We can't fool you! Just in case, we've decided to reinforce our igloos and ration the sled dogs' food. Can't be too careful. Rumour is that the terrorists have a heat bomb.
The global economy is a great thing until you feel it locally.
Can I claim "First worthwhile post"?
I'm going to ignore comments thus far as generally just not representative of Slashdotters, most of whom can find Canada on a map.
This story is a duplicate post on Slashdot, but parts of the story haven't really been covered yet: additional links are to be found in this story, which you can follow to find out more info on the issue, including some sample response from Canadian ISPs, one of which I represent. We're also CAIP members and I can tell you that the only comments I've seen on the members' mailing list so far are all negative, so you can probably expect resistance on our part, as the stories linked indicate. Any Canadian Slashdotters (believe it or not, not everyone here is American - I wonder if there are any geographical
Contrary to one informationally-ignorant prior post, as Canadians we do have Rights and Freedoms, and as in every other country (yes, including the USA) sometimes we need to speak up to exercise them and make sure that they aren't clawed back from us.
-brt
Penguinista!
You will be un-assimilated. Resistance is just plain stupid.
its probably sweden, swiss army reserves are only requred to cary their knives around
"Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
Sir, you should submit your case to the Darwin Awards. As the nature of the injury precludes the replication of your genes, you are very likely to win a Darwin award. See, your situation isn't all bad!
Here is a leaked draft of a similar framework (proposal) on data retention in Europe, and here is Statewatch analysis of it - I believe the analysis is good reference for Canada/US as well. It seems these things are happening all over the world at same time, so maybe the kick-off to start working on these was made in some multi-national meeting (interpol, maybe). Anyway, it is rather alarming.
After reading this, it's no wonder a lot of the world hates the States. It's those of you who have no respect for other cultures/nations/etc. that are causing it. Not saying that the states is the only country that does this though. I've known Canadians too who have done this (although the states is a lot bigger, therefore being heard more); it sicken's me how ignorent people are. I do not believe /. was created with the intent of having flame wars like "my country's better than yours".
I'd be surprised if this reply does not get any "childish" responses.
The deadline for feedback is November 15, 2002.
In order to own a gun you must have a licence, it is not a difficult process to go through but it stops some of the "bad people" from getting guns.
That is such utter bullshit. If you want a gun you can get one illegally very easily in Canada. I'm all for proper training and annual evaluation to keep your FAC but don't for one second believe that it keeps it out of the hands of the baddies. If you want a gun bad enough you'll go around any roadblocks.
'm a proud Canadian, but I have to say that the Americans are totally correct when they say Canada's military is a joke.
We're horribly underfunded but that doesn't seem to stop us from achieving international recognition as some of the best trained and highest respected soldiers on the planet.
I'd love to have our military better funded. But a joke? Give your fucking head a shake. A proud Canadian would understand where the problem comes from and not assign blame/ridicule to the military itself.
I'm willing to bet that at least 60% of Canadians are happy with such legislation. Very few people care about there privacy.
Hell the government can look at our bank account whenever the hell he wants to. I sent letters to the mayor, letters to some political parties and no response whatsoever. What's amazing is that everyone I talked to didn't seem to care about the fact that the government can look into there bank account without permission.
You hoser, the igloo ice makes it real easy to keep the beer and back bacon cold, eh? Although I've heard that Prime Minister Jean Poutine just keeps his beer in a his icefishing shanty on Rideau Canal, since it's frozen over all year round, eh?
Just another resident Maritimer. Go Baby Habs, eh!
ou people have what for defense? Guys in bright red "Shoot Me Now, Please, Sir" jackets riding around on horses, for god's sake
Bah, all you guys have are so called marines dressed all in white who are only good at twirling their guns around like cheerleaders...not only is that pathetic but its kinda girly.
and you can't even own guns to defend yourSELVES
Yeah, nobody can get a gun permit in canada, its just impossible! All those hunters forced to hunt bare handed...that's so sad.
the only reason Canada is immune to attack and doesn't HAVE to go to war is simply because it happens to share [...] protection of the most powerful military power in the world.
Yes, the US military clearly made the US "immune to attack" like you said. No one EVER flew a plane in a US building, they're all too scared of the gun throwing cheerleaders!
Pathetic ignorant...
You can't take the sky from me...
I can't believe the posts so far in this story. You'd think that there would at least be SOME amount of rational posts on /.
I think that we Canadians have offered our friendship to the U.S. long enough. The Americans are obviously not intelligent or mature enough to even bother acknowledging anymore. You wonder why people hate you? It's not a mystery to Canadians.
Screw the United States. The next time Osama knocks down one of your buildings, don't come whining to us for blood donations, places to land international flights, or donations for the victims. I, for one, couldn't give a shit. I'm sick of giving without even getting a thankyou.
"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain
If Cananda is such a great place, why do almost everyone in the country live as close to the 39th parallel as possible?
If you weren't a dumb American, you'd realize it's *warmer* towards the south of Canada. (You would also realize it's the 49th parallel, but nobody ever accused Americans of knowing where their border was.)
Since you're so interested, however, consider the fact that even though 80% of Canadians live withing 2 hours of the United States, very few actually live in border towns. Canadians live farther south for the climate, but not so far south that we have to smell the rancid stench of the United States.
BTW, Cuba is a great vacation spot - cheap as hell, great cigars, and no Americans. So sad you can't join us.
"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain
Canada (as we know it now) was founded in 1867. It was a business decision made by britshit business interests, as they realized they were not competent enough to compete against yankee businessmen.
(The typical britshit way of doing business is to force people to buy their products; cas in point, horsepiss brewer molson, came to canada only to find french peasants drinking their own applejack cider (grapes would not grow satisfactorly, and in any case, the french mostly came from Normandy where everyone makes applejack cider anyways). So, rather than corner the cider market, molson displayed his true britshit incompetence by whining that people wouln't buy his piss to the governor who promply outlawed applejack cider making, thus forcing the peasants to buy his horsepiss, the only thing he knew how to make).
Over the years, canada slightly evolved, but nevertheless remains mired as a britshit colony. But the main canadian problems remain the same thoughout the ages:
- Keep the americans out.
- Keep the french in.
All while hoping that, somehow, the indians would simply vanish.The french were the first to introduce european civilization to north-america. Well before the Mayflower, a small colony was thriving along the banks of the St-Lawrence, in good harmony with the indians who gave the french the technology to survive the long winters. As the french are not as constipated towards private property as the britshit are, they certainly did not mind sharing the country with the indians, which being a totally different civilization, had very few competing interests.
As there was plenty of interaction between the french and the indians, it is not surprising that it was french explorers who "discoved" (ha ha ha. Like if the indians didn't discover it first) most of the inside of the continent, as only them had the technology and knowledge to survive off the land, quite unlike most britshit (Baniel Boon was quite atypical in that respect) who never mingle with natives.
When the britshit colonized Egypt, for example, they built themselves clubs surrounded by high walls so the would not see the natives. When France was in Egypt, they built schools to educate the natives for free.
The french were also the only colonizers who did not exterminate the indians when they found out they could not enslave them. As they were not competing with the french for ressources (different civilizations), they were best left to themselves. Better yet, when the britshit expansion in New England pushed the Iroquois out, the french gladly accepted them in New-France and gave them territory, even though they used to be ennemies.
This changed with the coming of the britshit, who promptly rounded the indians into reserves, and going about with their ultra-constitpated notions of private property, much to the dismay of the indians chiefs.
The britshit also introduced biological warfare when lord amherst gave smallpox-infected blankets to indians. Truly the works of an unenligthened civilization whose only goal is rape, pillage and plunder!
At first, when a handful of britshit found themselves at the head of a colony peopled with 60,000 french peasants, they quickly realized that their usual governing tricks (especially when it came to repression of the scatholics - as the totality of the french were [officially] scatholics). So, in order not to be kicked back at sea by the french and their indians allies, they compromised and allowed scatholicism to keep running rampant.
This, of course, was the typical britshit incompetence at work, as this tolerance towards scatholics precipitated the american revolution... So, to keep a small worthless colony, the britshit risked and lost the prize jewel...
Over time, the britshit merchants discovered one fantastic thing about scatholicism: for a devout scatholic, making a profit (be it through commerce, hard work or mere stock manipulation) is a one-way ticket to hell. So, they reasoned, if the french population was kept scatholic (and therefore ignorant), they would not face any competition while they set shop...
So, those merchant princes, the Frobishers, McTavish, Redpath, Allan, etc. (the incompetent family compact) accumulated extraordinary wealth, by plundering natural ressources with the cheap labour provided by the ignorant (because scatholic) french.
In order to perpetuate that status, when the britshit north america act (the constitution of canada) was elaborated in 1867 by the incompetent family compact, they made sure to enshrine in the constitution that education would be solely controlled by the scatholic church, for the french (and by the protestants for the britshit, of course). This is the reason of the economic backwardness of the french in canada, backwardness that is only starting to subside, as the french threw out the scatholic church en masse starting some 8-10 years after television was introduced in 1952.
Canada went through the usual colonial troubles. In 1836-37, a rebellion tore apart the country, as mostly french people rebelled against the britshit (but the rebellion included a non negligeable amount of englishmen). The britshit army fought back with unparalleled savagery (until perhaps the nazis) and thousands of farms were burned to the ground. Resentment for this still survives to this day; and in fact, when the parliamant voted some 10 years later to indemnify the innocent victims of the destruction, a mob of brishit lowlifes (mostly businessmen and merchants) ransacked the parliament and burned it down to the ground, as that kind of people will not tolerate democracy.
In 1867, the canadian population was half french, half britshit (the britshit certainly didn't count the indians). However, in typical britshit fashion, only the landowners were granted the right of vote; and as the french were systematically poorer, they were therefore underepresented. But this not preclude the existence of prominent french politicians, such as Wilfrid Laurier, who was the first french prime minister. However, do not let the frenchness fool you; the britshit would not let anyone become prime minister unless he displayed the utmost allegiance to the britshit interests... This held true of other french prime ministers: Louis St-Laurent, Pierre-Elliott Trudeau (this one declared martial law in 1970 and put his political opponents in jail), Brian Mulroney (well, he's irish, but in Québec, the irish very much became french) and Jean Chrétin.
How does that work? His first post is -1, and his reply, which is a carbon copy of the first, gets +3?
/. phenomenon.
Obviously, some of the moderators are American, and some are from the rest of the world. Duelling moderation... a new(?)
"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain
I'm fairly dissapointed at the level of apathy. Americans don't seem to care, at least relatively. Canadian's don't seem to care much (are we really this apathetic?). There are a number of problems with the consultation process that nobody is noticing.
There is no mention of safe harbour. Does this mean that an ISP forced to release data is subject to a civil suit for privacy violation?
Why is the consultation process so short? It seems like Justice is trying to ram this through. It also smells like the laws are already drafted, and after an obligatory lip-service "consultation process", they will get tabled. And industry and civil liberties will get ignored just as they were with Bill C-15a. In an of itself, it is a noble cause to fight child exploitation. However, it is dangerous when laws aimed at doing so also try to turn ISPs into content watchdogs.
Who will bear the costs? Will Canadian industry be forced to pay for a Canadian equivalent of Carnivore?
perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5, (41*2), sqrt(7056), (unpack(c,H)-2), oct(115), 10)'
"Canada has something called the Charter of Rights and Freedoms [justice.gc.ca] which guarrantees their basic liberties.
... or am I just being an "ignorant Yank" again?
It does not mention anything about the right to own a gun, but why should it?"
It also doesn't mention about the right to vote for the members of the House of Lords, or the ability to vote for either your chief of state or head of government.
Also, I find myself uncomfortable with some of the wording. It states, for example, that everyone has the freedom of expression. Nothing about how much freedom or who says how much, just that it's there. Somewhere. I may be biased, but I would prefer wording to the affect of "Parliament shall make no law abridging the freedom of expression."
Of course, the document goes on to limit just how much freedom of expression you have by declaring two official languages, how they can and cannot be used, by who, when, where...
Without even getting into the way it seems it took Canada until the 1980's to write down some of the things the United States wrote down in 1790's, I find it... interesting how much power the British crown and aristocracy still has in Canada's government.